This thing costs 369.90 USD. Who is this for exactly? For a cheap PC you can get cheaper and more powerful PCs based on mobile Ryzen chips. For an ARM DIY board you can find 3 dozen different ARM boards for the fraction of the price.
$269.90 for the basic and $369.90 for the Pro. I would expect a whole lot more for these prices. I find the dock almost laughable. When you consider what Radxa and Orange Pi have done for lower cost, Khadas just seems out of touch.
The Orange Pi may look more attractive on the outside but we are talking about a Chinese company, who only really make these things for the hell of it. Official support after a few months is non existent too so I wouldn't knock Khadas for their prices when they do support their own products for a long time.
@@TBMartin Khadas are also based in Shenzhen, China. Much development for all these kinds of boards comes from the community, rather than the companies themselves. I really don't see the value in such a thing and the fact that the specially designed case doesn't take into account the I/O board also shows lack of attention to something rather fundamental in design. OOWOW is the one thing that they do have going for them. Compare it to the Rock 5B and there is no real contest.
What isn't a Chinese company or manufactured part. I find it funny when people mention china yet china owns the whole market with practically all chipsets. Even the name brands are built from China. It's all about that market strategy aimed for certain customers.
@@TBMartin support for the opi 5 has been pretty good recently, we got gpu acceleration working and it's a solid board all-round for half the price of the edge 2... khadas also being chinese i see no reason i should buy from them at this point... even the rock5b is a better value than whetever this is...
The price this is listed at, makes it not worthwhile as a every day PC. $360+ USD for 64GB EMMC and 16GB RAM? You can find something else much more capable unless your main concern is the form factor. Even then, a cheap android phone would probably out perform it at smaller form factor and cheaper price.
They definitely should have designed the case so it could fit that I/O board. Not sure why they didn't do that, am sure it wouldn't have been that hard & wouldn't have increased the size that much.
@@nobunga7151 Yeah I agree. Or that separate dock accessory should have had the I/O board stuff in it too including the MicroSD & Audio jack. Doesn't really make sense how they did the accessories at all. Ah well, guess ya can't have it all.
The docking station should have had all of the things that the I/O board has including the MicroSD slot & audio jack. Another unfortunate misstep there.
Steam Deck $399 basic model. This, $$339.90Price for a "Edge 2 Pro Maker model" Now, let me ask you. With all the bills rising and taxes and food prices and the lot. Are you really going to spend $339.90 on a thing like this or if you saved back some money and you want to buy. Wouldn't you just get a Steam Deck?
arf, 270$, still too expensive :( Sure, it's great performance for an ARM SBC, but at this price point, I assume one can find some good second-hand PC or NUC with superior performance and specs. Btw, that would be an interesting comparison exercise to make ...
Cool SBC way, way, too expensive for more most people. The dock is also really odd. The case and the board itself look good and professional, the dock looks home made almost.
Two questions: 1) Performance-wise, what's this board's equivalent in Snapdragon? Judging by how it's running "GT4" at Laguna Seca which is a track my 845 struggles with, I'm assuming it's stronger than that. 2) If it's not stronger than an SD845, what settings did you use to get it that nice? The "Get Ready to Drive" notification stays up after the race starts when you underclock and according to the stats it says it's running Vulcan, but that's about all I can tell. I've tried both to meh results on the SD845.
Nah man it's worst, especially in GPU side, If you just want to emulate console games/do basic task, you better buy used Samsung S10 with busted screen and hook it up to a monitor using USB-C dock (SD855 has better thermal). about why your SD845 equpped device slower than SBC above, well, the first suspect is thermal throttling, second is poor software/kernel implementation by the manufacturer. As you can see, despite using newer 8nm process node, RK3588 need huge heatsink/active cooling to maintan it's performance, and I'm pretty sure your snapdragon 845 phone/tablet only using (at it's best depends on MFG) cooper heatpipe buried inside the phone chasis without an good airflow, and will affect performance under sustained load like long gaming session. The software issue is pretty simple, I have several SD845 phone, Including OP6, Sharp Aquos R2, Poco F1, Samsung S9+ (US model) and arguably "worst performance" international model using Exynos 9810. And yes, some manufacturer like Sharp and Samsung is more conservative about the system scheduler inside the kernel, resulting worst overall performance agains Oneplus 6 and Xiaomi Poco F1. But the magic start when you put custom rom and tweaking some of the settings, my Exynos 9810 equipped model brutally outperform all SD845 on long gaming session thx to better software and thermal handling. The easiest method I reccomend is putting peltier-based phone cooler (which only cost around $10).
@@pingtime I have a S10 but replaced it with a Samsung A52s which I got for $150 new on sale. The A52s is faster than the S10. Have not tried to hook a external screen up to the a52s. Not sure it supports it, so that could be a downside. But otherwise I guess the a52s could be a good option too.
@@AndrewTSq Only samsung S/Note/Fold/Flip series support Dex and USB DP Alt mode dongle starting with S8 and note8 (S10 Lite and Note10 Lite is not supported). I have A50 and A53 which tested and not supported at all when connecting to the dongle. I agree if you want to use it solely as an handheld gaming "console", A5x series is a great opion.
It's a nice board and all but at 239$ for just the basic naked board with 8gb of ram is excessive when compared to the competition... Xunlong's orange pi 5 has the same SOC and can match the amount of ram the edge 2 has for half the price... 240$ is in the X86 sbc levels of pricing and the performance and support these ones have is unmatched... I won't be buying that one for sure.
My problem with these arm pc's is the cost to performance ratio compared to a used Samsung phone. A broken screen Samsung on ebay for the same price ($270 - $370) would get you much better performance.
@@jierenzheng7670 samsung has the dex dock that makes its phone into a small computer. A new dock for S10 is $40 and give you hdmi, 2 usb ports and microsd card reader
One quick question. Can you run unit over the single USB-C on the dock? I have several people with disabilities who would be hard pressed to put a USB-C plug into the port but would really love single cable operation. I do their tech support and if they could swap units by simply removing one from the dock and putting a new one on that would be perfect.
I love this channel but one thing that annoys me is it's always fighting and racing games. Like c'mon I wanna see Cyberpunk or something demanding running on that thing! Even if it doesn't run well it'd still be interesting to see, y'know, for science! 😂
I THOUGHT it was actually an INDIAN Product and the button is supposed to say 'BUN' and when you press it it magically grows out your hair and then ties it up in a 'man-bun' just like see all the ancient gods wearing their hair on all th4e old statues all across India.... ( it's a pretty remarkable technology if you ask me! ) ... but as it turns out Khadas IS from China and they are ONCE AGAIN ripping off another country's technology.... INDIANS SHOULD BE FURIOUS!!!! ;)
If the price were right and I had money to spare I could see myself getting one of these so I can play Android games with it. Have you thought of doing an Android Gaming comparison video(s) year over year as a run down of the best units to get?
Thanks for video and inform us about new and cool technology. I have three questions , that machine can run Android e Windows 11 ... And what's the name of grey keyboard , Could you also try running Saint Seiya Sanctuary PlayStation 2 on it , to see how it's work . Thanks again and wishes the best in life 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾✌🏾😎🇧🇷
SBC's are losing their half of their point of existing. Raspberry Pi was a prime example of pointing to low-budget for low performance and small size. SBC's evolved through the years and seemed like they were going somewhere. This, however, is an example of how SBC's aren't aiming for anyone in particular anymore. Mini PC's cost similar prices and often have better specs. If you're looking for any PC, building one is much better bang for the buck. There's no point in spending for SBC's now.
Sadly, there is no real ARM-competor to Apples new ARM line yet. So I have to wait or just stick to AMD/intel with higher power consumption. And I don`t need a fency formfactor.
I got mine a few weeks ago, and wanted my wife to be able to run OBS, unfortunately she was unable to get it working through Ubunto 22.04 ... Nice to see kdenlive running in it though... Anyone here get OBS running on it?
its a cool computer, but its way too expensive. I can get a new chromebox with 10th gen intel for way less money here.I can even buy a laptop with 10th gen i3 for way less money. Must be a lot of margin on these sbc's
I don't understand why they would put the rubber feet over the screws. Do manufacturers think it looks better or something? This is clearly a hobbyist tool. What is the point of that?
if pressing it when it say RUN actually runs a program... and pressing when it says FUN actually makes using much more fun..... then what would happen if it said PUN???? does it make a cheap= joke using a word with two meanings??
Can I recommend using a flydigi controller with the flydigi mapper? A lot of their controllers come with gyro, they have several options for less than $100 and let you map buttons to any app, regardless of if it's a game or not. I use mine as a mouse/gamepad when I have my phone docked and displaying on a TV or projector, it's pretty handy for more than just games and has plenty of buttons for different mapping options. Plus they're really cool for PC gaming with rewasd
This is why we need ITX form boards. Proprietary cases, proprietary power supplies, no ethernet jack, etc. I need an ARM development system, but I am leaning towards a Mac mini M1/M2.
This thing costs 369.90 USD. Who is this for exactly?
For a cheap PC you can get cheaper and more powerful PCs based on mobile Ryzen chips.
For an ARM DIY board you can find 3 dozen different ARM boards for the fraction of the price.
$269.90 for the basic and $369.90 for the Pro. I would expect a whole lot more for these prices. I find the dock almost laughable. When you consider what Radxa and Orange Pi have done for lower cost, Khadas just seems out of touch.
The Orange Pi may look more attractive on the outside but we are talking about a Chinese company, who only really make these things for the hell of it. Official support after a few months is non existent too so I wouldn't knock Khadas for their prices when they do support their own products for a long time.
Agreed. There's not $400 worth of product here. At that price, I'd rather have an Odroid H3+. Intel CPU and can run any OS.
@@TBMartin Khadas are also based in Shenzhen, China. Much development for all these kinds of boards comes from the community, rather than the companies themselves. I really don't see the value in such a thing and the fact that the specially designed case doesn't take into account the I/O board also shows lack of attention to something rather fundamental in design. OOWOW is the one thing that they do have going for them. Compare it to the Rock 5B and there is no real contest.
What isn't a Chinese company or manufactured part. I find it funny when people mention china yet china owns the whole market with practically all chipsets. Even the name brands are built from China. It's all about that market strategy aimed for certain customers.
@@TBMartin support for the opi 5 has been pretty good recently, we got gpu acceleration working and it's a solid board all-round for half the price of the edge 2... khadas also being chinese i see no reason i should buy from them at this point... even the rock5b is a better value than whetever this is...
The price this is listed at, makes it not worthwhile as a every day PC. $360+ USD for 64GB EMMC and 16GB RAM? You can find something else much more capable unless your main concern is the form factor. Even then, a cheap android phone would probably out perform it at smaller form factor and cheaper price.
5:06 It says FUN, not RUN. Also, every device should come with a FUN button. 😜
I totally agree! My stereo amp has a loudness button that my son calls the 'FUN' button. LOL
They definitely should have designed the case so it could fit that I/O board.
Not sure why they didn't do that, am sure it wouldn't have been that hard & wouldn't have increased the size that much.
I think I'd have preferred they added the Extension and the Ethernet attachments together, along with a new case to fit it.
@@nobunga7151 Yeah I agree. Or that separate dock accessory should have had the I/O board stuff in it too including the MicroSD & Audio jack.
Doesn't really make sense how they did the accessories at all. Ah well, guess ya can't have it all.
I'm excited to see a handheld using this sbc, I want my pocket PS2
Straight up!
Kinda pricy compared to an Orange Pi 5 with the same SOC RK3588S.
and you got an additional NVME slot but no WIFI/BT.
Hi. How did you install/run Vulkan driver?
The docking station should have had all of the things that the I/O board has including the MicroSD slot & audio jack. Another unfortunate misstep there.
God it feels against the law to be this early! 😬
early bird gets the worm
🤣
Bit of a pass given the pricing and the fact that it's already sold out until March 2023.
it looks like it has a small dedicated GPU on it! its adorable.
It is
Better than orange pi 5?
Not really what makes or breaks an SBC, but this thing, board and case, looks beautiful! 😍
It's so tiny....someone needs to turn this into a handheld.
Wonder if this would work with Windows on ARM .... Would it be possible to try that out ??
Steam Deck $399 basic model.
This, $$339.90Price for a "Edge 2 Pro Maker model"
Now, let me ask you. With all the bills rising and taxes and food prices
and the lot. Are you really going to spend $339.90 on a thing like this or
if you saved back some money and you want to buy. Wouldn't you just get a Steam Deck?
arf, 270$, still too expensive :(
Sure, it's great performance for an ARM SBC, but at this price point, I assume one can find some good second-hand PC or NUC with superior performance and specs.
Btw, that would be an interesting comparison exercise to make ...
Cool SBC way, way, too expensive for more most people. The dock is also really odd. The case and the board itself look good and professional, the dock looks home made almost.
That case looks amazing. Very nice design.
IMO, it is bad practice to refer to the 3588S as a "3588", because a true 3588 is superior to the "S" variant (3588S)
Two questions: 1) Performance-wise, what's this board's equivalent in Snapdragon? Judging by how it's running "GT4" at Laguna Seca which is a track my 845 struggles with, I'm assuming it's stronger than that. 2) If it's not stronger than an SD845, what settings did you use to get it that nice? The "Get Ready to Drive" notification stays up after the race starts when you underclock and according to the stats it says it's running Vulcan, but that's about all I can tell. I've tried both to meh results on the SD845.
Nah man it's worst, especially in GPU side, If you just want to emulate console games/do basic task, you better buy used Samsung S10 with busted screen and hook it up to a monitor using USB-C dock (SD855 has better thermal). about why your SD845 equpped device slower than SBC above, well, the first suspect is thermal throttling, second is poor software/kernel implementation by the manufacturer. As you can see, despite using newer 8nm process node, RK3588 need huge heatsink/active cooling to maintan it's performance, and I'm pretty sure your snapdragon 845 phone/tablet only using (at it's best depends on MFG) cooper heatpipe buried inside the phone chasis without an good airflow, and will affect performance under sustained load like long gaming session. The software issue is pretty simple, I have several SD845 phone, Including OP6, Sharp Aquos R2, Poco F1, Samsung S9+ (US model) and arguably "worst performance" international model using Exynos 9810. And yes, some manufacturer like Sharp and Samsung is more conservative about the system scheduler inside the kernel, resulting worst overall performance agains Oneplus 6 and Xiaomi Poco F1. But the magic start when you put custom rom and tweaking some of the settings, my Exynos 9810 equipped model brutally outperform all SD845 on long gaming session thx to better software and thermal handling. The easiest method I reccomend is putting peltier-based phone cooler (which only cost around $10).
@@pingtime Thank you. 👍
@@pingtime I have a S10 but replaced it with a Samsung A52s which I got for $150 new on sale. The A52s is faster than the S10. Have not tried to hook a external screen up to the a52s. Not sure it supports it, so that could be a downside. But otherwise I guess the a52s could be a good option too.
@@AndrewTSq Only samsung S/Note/Fold/Flip series support Dex and USB DP Alt mode dongle starting with S8 and note8 (S10 Lite and Note10 Lite is not supported). I have A50 and A53 which tested and not supported at all when connecting to the dongle. I agree if you want to use it solely as an handheld gaming "console", A5x series is a great opion.
@@pingtime ah too bad. Btw my note 3 and note 2 both had dongles with hdmi out and usb hub capabilities so it was earlier than that (just not dex)
Yes prime made it to a million subs congratulations boss you deserve it so much. Thank you for years of learning
@8:54 What's the red attachment on the top?
(Maybe I missed something)
Thanks ETA! I love your Videos (:
Thanks for putting in the hard work to create this amazing content!
Have a great day!
How it will manage with gimp and blender rendering?
If it’s consuming less than 5W, then it’s great for hosting a server lol.
It's a nice board and all but at 239$ for just the basic naked board with 8gb of ram is excessive when compared to the competition... Xunlong's orange pi 5 has the same SOC and can match the amount of ram the edge 2 has for half the price... 240$ is in the X86 sbc levels of pricing and the performance and support these ones have is unmatched... I won't be buying that one for sure.
I think it might be the built in EMMC that is causing a price hike..
What is the power draw comparison between something like this and the rock5?
Very impressive system but much too expensive for what you receive
It would be nice if you didn't tag your videos as made for kids, I don't get any notifications for your videos.
My problem with these arm pc's is the cost to performance ratio compared to a used Samsung phone. A broken screen Samsung on ebay for the same price ($270 - $370) would get you much better performance.
Too bad there's no kits or something that can convert our old android phones into an SBC to reduce eWaste though.
@@jierenzheng7670 samsung has the dex dock that makes its phone into a small computer. A new dock for S10 is $40 and give you hdmi, 2 usb ports and microsd card reader
@@AndrewTSq yes I am aware, just unfortunately I have no Samsung phones on hand.
For the Android OS, does Playstore need to be added separately, or is it included?
Whats the idle power consumption?
Will these ever be available on amazon? Ive always wanted to check one out but wanted to order it off amazon
This thing has the same GPU as Dimensity 8100 o_o
Edit: with lesser core count but higher clock speed
Will you be able to play recent games with the ultra graphics using a graphics card with that Mini PC or can it cause a bottleneck?
Max 2.25 GHz will definitely bottleneck.
Sounds like we need just a bit more power to get Dolphin running smoothly.
One quick question. Can you run unit over the single USB-C on the dock? I have several people with disabilities who would be hard pressed to put a USB-C plug into the port but would really love single cable operation. I do their tech support and if they could swap units by simply removing one from the dock and putting a new one on that would be perfect.
the "FUN" button is cool Lol
I love this channel but one thing that annoys me is it's always fighting and racing games. Like c'mon I wanna see Cyberpunk or something demanding running on that thing! Even if it doesn't run well it'd still be interesting to see, y'know, for science! 😂
I think you meant FUN BUTTON as indicated & NOT RUN BUTTON, unless it's a chinese product 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Push the button and have some fun
@@JS-ri8iu 🤣🤣🤣
I THOUGHT it was actually an INDIAN Product and the button is supposed to say 'BUN' and when you press it it magically grows out your hair and then ties it up in a 'man-bun' just like see all the ancient gods wearing their hair on all th4e old statues all across India.... ( it's a pretty remarkable technology if you ask me! ) ... but as it turns out Khadas IS from China and they are ONCE AGAIN ripping off another country's technology.... INDIANS SHOULD BE FURIOUS!!!! ;)
If the price were right and I had money to spare I could see myself getting one of these so I can play Android games with it. Have you thought of doing an Android Gaming comparison video(s) year over year as a run down of the best units to get?
Thanks for video and inform us about new and cool technology. I have three questions , that machine can run Android e Windows 11 ... And what's the name of grey keyboard , Could you also try running Saint Seiya Sanctuary PlayStation 2 on it , to see how it's work . Thanks again and wishes the best in life 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾✌🏾😎🇧🇷
SBC's are losing their half of their point of existing. Raspberry Pi was a prime example of pointing to low-budget for low performance and small size. SBC's evolved through the years and seemed like they were going somewhere. This, however, is an example of how SBC's aren't aiming for anyone in particular anymore. Mini PC's cost similar prices and often have better specs. If you're looking for any PC, building one is much better bang for the buck. There's no point in spending for SBC's now.
By the end of 2023, I am going to own a mini-computer for emulation. :D
I don't mind if they make this box more bulky. As long all I needed is available to put on this box, it is okay. Really.
Sadly, there is no real ARM-competor to Apples new ARM line yet. So I have to wait or just stick to AMD/intel with higher power consumption. And I don`t need a fency formfactor.
I got mine a few weeks ago, and wanted my wife to be able to run OBS, unfortunately she was unable to get it working through Ubunto 22.04 ... Nice to see kdenlive running in it though... Anyone here get OBS running on it?
$179.99 max, it’s really over priced for what’s out there. It’s modular “ king of” ass external GPU support and sure $249
Cool, but too expensive and it's not worth so much money. I just bought a beelink mini s with 16gb of ram and 512gb ssd for much less
its a cool computer, but its way too expensive. I can get a new chromebox with 10th gen intel for way less money here.I can even buy a laptop with 10th gen i3 for way less money. Must be a lot of margin on these sbc's
I don't understand why they would put the rubber feet over the screws. Do manufacturers think it looks better or something?
This is clearly a hobbyist tool. What is the point of that?
"... 16 gigs or ram is overkill". I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU EVEN ARE ANYMORE :)
All the video games I noticed you were NOT using the case on the Edge2 was there an overheating problem at high frame rates?
What does it mean "full size port"? I am completely confused by the naming. Anyone?
You can get an old nuc that runs circles around this for such prices ... anyway, what brand is the keyboard? Love it
Personally I think the price is a bit out of my range for an SBC. It is nice, but too expensive for me.
Is the fan quiet? I keep hearing that main issues with Khadas cooling is the fan and how loud they are. The case looks like Zima Board.
first is this better then the ROCK 5 Model B? if it is can it do more then ps2? what about ps3 and switch games?
Will this single board computer run Minecraft or Roblox from a Linux distro?
The "RUN" Button looks like the "FUN" Button 😀
why cant something like this have a snapdragon chip? Something like a Snapdragon 8 gen 2
Congrats on 1 million subs!!
Orangepi 5 with the same specs cost 100€. This edge sbc's are too overpriced.
$400 SBC no way just buy a whole laptop.
These arm systems seems quite over priced lately or is it just me? Seems like a stone laptops are cheaper than these which has everything you need?
huh, I wonder why none of these arm PCs come with UFS instead of eMMC 🤔
Why buy this and not a small form factor PC for half the price and same or better Performance?
Can Nintendo Wii U can Run GTA 5 at 30fps/720p*…???
Hi there, what brand of keyboard is that you're using, thanks!
looks like Nvidia RTX A2000 mini 😂🤣
What's the video on 6:52? Reminds me of Nigel Stanford videos!
congrats on 1M!
Looks cool but no
That doesn't say run it says fun
if pressing it when it say RUN actually runs a program... and pressing when it says FUN actually makes using much more fun..... then what would happen if it said PUN???? does it make a cheap= joke using a word with two meanings??
Does it work well with a Nexdock? would it run only with 1 cable too?
Any chance to have like an Snapdragon 8Gen 1 on SBCs?
What is the keyboard ETA Prime is using?
starting price $270. ouch
Is Android preinstalled? or
Where do get the OS from?
Doesn't that mean it's no longer a single board computer?
man, must be nice to get all these stuff for free. Totally jelly.
Can you tell me what the keyboard is in this video please?
Can you show how to make a handheld game console using this
Pogo pin dock without m.2 slot ? What a lame ?
Just curious can this board make NAS
Did you catch a cold? Your voice is a bit different
Would be nice if you mention the prices on the videos.
5:05 - That clearly says FUN not RUN 😂😂😂
whats that keyboard ? What type pls?
please try to run steam games on windows or linux please
The testing board it's from an old video?
This one can bet 2012 to 2014 avrg PC
I feel like I seen the khadas edge 2 vid before 😭like deja vu
WOW, FINALLY 1M SUBS!! 😐
What is a SBC? What does the acronym mean?
any test on Steam OS or Windows ARM?
Can I recommend using a flydigi controller with the flydigi mapper? A lot of their controllers come with gyro, they have several options for less than $100 and let you map buttons to any app, regardless of if it's a game or not. I use mine as a mouse/gamepad when I have my phone docked and displaying on a TV or projector, it's pretty handy for more than just games and has plenty of buttons for different mapping options. Plus they're really cool for PC gaming with rewasd
This is why we need ITX form boards. Proprietary cases, proprietary power supplies, no ethernet jack, etc. I need an ARM development system, but I am leaning towards a Mac mini M1/M2.