I was once on board one of these in a training exercise, we were learning how to board a helicopter. I was sitting right next to the open doors as the helicopter flew over a twisty frozen lake at treetop height, all I could hear was the noise of wind and the rotor as the view from the doors changed between the lake, trees, sky, trees, lake, and then I was pushed to my seat as the helicopter gained a few hundred meters of altitude in matter of what felt like seconds and turned around giving a beautiful shot of the snowy landscape stretching below us. I couldn't stop smiling during the flight, it was incomparably more fun and exciting than any roller coaster I have ever been on.
When I was as a conscript in Utti, there were these MI-8 there. They were flying museums compared to these modern Hi-Tec-instruments. The leap in 2008 was huge.
I am not serving in the Finland air force and have no experience with Mi8 and NH90.But I am till now on active duty of the Latvian state fire&rescue service with 26 years experience and also have 15 years experience of the serving in Zemessardze (national guard). Well, I only want to say that russian's armory and tehnique may be not so complicated but are solid and reliable.
@@alexanderolesk2982 Yes you are right. Actually this must be one of the reasons why the update was a jump over so many generations. MI-8 served well and reliably.
I trained the MD500 guys on their M250 C20 B engines 2 years ago. These soldiers are amazingly professional and very cool guys. I was impressed by their knowledge and skill. I met some of the pilots, and they rival any of the best pilots anywhere in the world. Utti is one of the most gorgeous places I have ever been. It is awesome to see this video showcase a great unit.
Their battalion also uses MD500Es. I had the pleasure of flying with a couple of their pilots at the factory. All I can say is these aviators are some of the best I have ever flown with!
Looks do not tell everything ! So many features, and sensors and possible tasks, and so better than the BH, but as much need for servicing. That is really not good ! A disaster ! Be happy if you can keep 1 out of 2 flying and ready to fly ! But they are amazingly versatile !!!!!
There are shortages of parts in stock, very complex and time-consuming maintenance methods, easily breakable avionics equipment, and extremely low utilization rates. The NH-90 is a disaster in itself.
@@SnowLeopard2121 Since aussies parted their helos, i believe there is now excess of spare parts around, but cant really do nothing about maintenance and technical issues in that regard. Thankfully there is just 20 of those things in Finnish military so loss wont be bad as Aussies who had 44.
Think the problems of the maintenance were the typically problems of a relativ new system. In germany we had also very big problems with operational capability but with a new maintenance structure and enough spare parts it seems to be solved now.
Finland only started receiving them in 2008 though? So unless you're talking about some other countries' NH90:s then you're talking out of your ass. Even then it was only in prototype stages up until 2007.
@@mikapeltokorpi7671 I'm aware of that lmao but saying "I had pleasure to have night exercise against *them* " is clearly implying you're talking about the NH90.
Great video. I was British Army Air Corps for several years & can well relate to the "better people" aspect of the CO's comments there. If you have really good attention to detail, eyes on the ground as well as top class aircrew, then your boundaries are limitless (within the rules of flight safety, of course). Kiitos. 👍
The reason NH90 has served Finland better than some other countries is a matter of attitude, I believe. Due to our neighbour, it's a do or die situation for Finland. All the countries that have problems with the NH90, they never felt any pressure (at least since the Cold War ended), so they can only see the problems, not the possibilities.
The magazine feature will touch on this a lot more, in part it is absolutely due to mindset but is also down to the ownership of the type certificate which has allowed them to change from a calendar-based maintenance program to a flight-hour based program in partnership with NH.
@@Verticalmagmedia That's certainly an interesting, and quite weird, detail! Finns have never loved bureaucracy or someone else telling them how to do things, so I reckon that would have something to do with seeking such an exception, if it allows things to work better.
@@herrakaarme Certainly seems to have worked out for them, and they seem to be trying to adapt the NH90 to the SOF mission as much as they can - removing the ramp for example. Stay tuned for the feature!
Nothing compares to the NH90. I have never flown with any other helicopter that has less vibration than the NH90. It's an incredible feeling, even when flying low.
You are right in good and bad. In bad, The NH90 has turned out to be one of the most mechanically unreliable helicopters out there. It’s 100% about logistics, technical support, and the ability to keep aircraft in the field flying. The NH-90 is a fine helicopter, but spent so much time (=money) sitting awaiting parts that they simply became an un-economical choice. You’d have to buy so many just to keep a few flying. Which is why many operators are already looking for a replacement.
Depends what you expect from your helicopter It’s good for certain purposes and is a step up from the Mi8 Finland used before For Australia it was a step backwards from the Blackhawk
and as someone whom you guys overfly every now and then, i can say its also one of the most silent choppers out there - this thing can whisper like airwolf in whispermode. In germany the old bells (known from the vietnam movies) could be heared half a hour before they show up
During my service, I once was on board this one. It was amazing to watch from the side door as you could sometimes see the surface of the lake and sometimes the treetops. The speed was incredible and flew really low to the ground. Before landing the crew lifted the nose almost straight up into the sky and the altitude went up a lot in no time at all. It was an incredible feeling.
I've seen these training flights from a boat while fishing, they fly pretty much lower than close-by terrain and trees over the lakes and once while i was fishing I was saluted by a NH rolling full speed basically 90* over me while manouvering the curvy lake path, I could not hear it coming as the terrain was blocking the noise. Crazy shit and I would never have the balls to even sit on the jumpseat on these flights. Good luck trying to catch these guys with radar
During my conscription, we got to train with these. They would fly fast and low, and I remember sitting, looking straight out the side of the nh90 but looking straight down, counting the pinecones on the pinetrees. Then we did it in the dark, and I knew we were flying just as low, and all i could see was the horizon tilting every which way.
this is the FDF, when they go to the head its tactical. "tactical" is a overused word to sound cool.. nothing else. Everything an army does is ultimatively "tactical" as in , no shit sherlock.
The HN90 is an OK airframe, it’s not a great one. The operating cost and the amount of maintenance it requires is it’s limiting factor for many countries.
Such a besutiful machine with so much potential. But expensive, and apparently availability is really bad. Several nations had to buy different aircraft as stop gap measures. They have to iron out those issues real fast...
Finland: "if we have a problem (with the NH90), we figure out how to fix it. We don't have a choice". Australia: When we have a problem with the American-made night vision helmet used while flying the NH90, leading to a crash which killed 4 crew, we blame the NH90, ground them, scrap & dismantle them before any investigation could examine them to determine if the helicopter was to blame, & them happily fast-track more Blackhawks from our American overlords.
@@ronlucock3702 odd how American made night vision. Somehow caused a helicopter to suffer catastrophic transmission failure mid flight without warning. Also odd how a country that had used its helicopter fleet for decades operationally at high tempos. Was never able to get the same performance out of the MRH90. Honestly pull your head out of your ass people died and lying about it is just insulting…. It’s a helicopter that’s fine for some uses and terrible at others. Australia was promised certain performances and it was never delivered. So they’ve moved onto a platform that can perform all the roles they require.
@@ArsenicApplejuice Hey Arsenic Apple Juice (can I call you "Arse" for short?).I'm not sure if the official report on the crash in Qld which killed 4 crew has been released, or ever will. They grounded, dismantled, & started replacing the fleet so fast, I think they were just hoping we'd all forget about it. I think the previous ditching before that however was the transmission failure. 60 Minutes however did a good story on the July 2023 crash, focussing on the night vision helmet which testing had alegedly almost guaranteed would lead to crashes. This was backed by eyewitness accounts from the other helicoptes in the formation which saw it just pitch down & go straight into the water. So there's that. As for performance issues, rumour has it we tried to "over-tech" it, with stuff it was never designed to have. You would have thought we'd learn our lesson from the failed Seasprite program where we tried the same thing. As for a platform that meets our requirements, the main reason we chose the NH-90 over more Blackhawks in the first place was because of the one feature the Blackhawk didn't have - a rear ramp door. Many of the issues that came later, like not being able to open or close the side door with a side-mounted machine gun there (like on a Blackhawk) was not something that was in the original specs. Once again, they deliberately over-complicated it & then found it to be a failure against criteria it was never intended to meet.
@@ronlucock3702 We bought the wrong helicopter because John Howard believed the brochure from Airbus. Overruling ADF advice Taipan never was capable of performing the mission profiles within the our expected operational conditions. Despite assurances to the contrary. We didn’t overtech anything, we tried to use it outside its performance capability after being directed to/ assured by airbus and eurocopter it could. And as yet never has done with any user. Other operators employ their MRH90 within a much more restrictive operating concept. As to your speculation to the causes of the fatal crash. I’ll leave that to you. You’re still spreading unsubstantiated nonsense and I object to that
Seems like the NH90 helicopter family finally matured in Europe. The result is a solid and incredible efficient medium helicopter. France and Germany have also integrated them well in their army and navy.
@@zoolkhan Norway with Seahawks, Greece stopped orders midway and are getting Blackhawks instead, Australia switching to mix Blackhawks and Chinooks, Sweden switching to more blackhawks and looks like Finland is following soon too.
@@zoolkhan That's because you aren't reading the Finnish publications. The flight hour costs are already climbing extremely high, and with both norway and sweden moving to better and and actually combat proven platform the NH-90 fate isn't great. 2017 flight hour cost was already around 17000 eur from sub 7000 eur in 2015 for example.
The your real problem is the other country sitting across the Pacific ocean pushing the beautiful European continent to provoke anther country who is not provoking anyone
20 is plenty for the operational environment they are intended to be used in and now that Finland is in NATO (and getting a US base I believe), there's even less need to expand the fleet
@@coolsenjoyer Don't know about permanent base (i dont think there has been decision on it yet from our goverment here). But US troops and airforce has free access to pretty much all airbases in Finland. And as far as i know they have pretty big are for construction in Pirkkala Air Base. Wouldn't be suprised to see some helos from the USAF in there
A2/AD buble. Anti-access(long range weapons). Prevent opponent from entering theater/Area denial(Short range weapons). Prevent opponents freedom of action in theater.
they had teething problems in the beginning. Those operators who struggle, how old are those statements? compare to the americans and their ospreys its nothing. They have had more fatal crashes in the osprey than i have fingers on my hands. Finland NH90: zero
@@zoolkhan Australia, Norway and Sweden are or have replaced theirs already with numerous teething problems eventually sorted in New Zealand, Belgium and the Netherlands. Maybe it’s the individual requirements that have not worked.
These things are for sure the most hated things in anti-air. Nothing more annoying than one of them just popping above tree line out of nowhere for 5 seconds and disappearing.
I recently watched an updated topic about China using starlink satellite systems to track low flying aircraft and stealth aircraft in the battlefields. They said they can also target drones and the speed of its router's. They claim that is how accurate the system is . If this is true, then what they claim then military development is going to have to be upgraded against such a system.
oh yeah, since the chinese are truesayers now :) common dude. Starlink is a TCP/IP network - they do not send out pings to objects other than groundstation dishes - and they do not even direct their traffic, it is the base station phased array, that is tracking the sattelites - not the other way around. So, yes - if you put a starlink dish on your tank - then the tank can be tracked by starlink. If you know how the tech works, then you would be less resceptive for propaganda of the bullshit kind.
Finland’s only the helicopter battalion, not the only helicopter. We have a modern army, but things have to be prioritized, don't forget that Finland has less than 6 million inhabitants. I doubt if any country so small is so armed.
It is literally one of the most sturdy helis around, and the most advanced with 4-axis autopilot, fly by wire, able to work in -40 to +50 celsius, 6 hr endurance and the frame is built to take hits and not break apart.
Good thing forests makes it harder for drones to spot us ;) Good luck with drones in France :) Just kidding, all countries have prones and cons, in Finland the weather is bad for 70% of the year 😆
Yes, one helicopter battalion which provides the capatibility to the force that needs it. Mostly used but the Special forces (Special Jäger Battalion, Navy Amphibious task unit, Border Guard special detachment 5, Police Bear Squad, etc if needed), but it can be used to drop of regular recon troops or high readiness infantry. The helicopter battalion is the unit that has and mans the helicopters, but they are used to deliver other units to wanted locations and other missions ofc as well.
@@martinwhatley6512 they should never have been purchased. Howard overruled defences advise to purchase a helicopter that was not fit for purpose. Other countries may have a different purpose which the platform might excel at. But the MRH90 proved deficient in key roles required by the ADF. So have moved on to a more suitable platform for Australia’s requirement. Which I must emphasise may be an entirely different set of requirements to Finland. So this doesn’t mean that it’s a bad choice for Finland. If one person needs a screwdriver and another a hammer….
@@zoolkhan probably not burn you think it is. They were scrapped for parts and fed back into the NH90 supply chain. Probably being used by countries like Italy New Zealand Finland etc
"Flying Low-Level" This is how Russia lost the most helicopters. Flying very low, there is no time to counter-act after someone fires a missile from a MANPAD.
....the only helicopter thrown away without ending its life span, so stoopid was the design, concept, anything: Norway, Australia will remove or already had been removed from service
what stupid question is that. what would you have them do then, park in a hangar until the war is over? of course there is the manpad concern, as is the long range missile concern..... hopefully no manpads on the own soil, eh? FDF is a defencive army, finnish choppers dont fly to enemy territory and provoke the manpads. the NH90 has some nice electronics to deal with threats, when it comes to that lets hope they work.
Sure train ahead, but next time try to keep little distance from the houses when flying fast and low. Almost shattered my house windows flying tandem couple years ago -.- Those NH90's make quite a ruckus and can easily be detected several clicks away just from the sounds alone, though the sound is so low the direction is bit harder to identify. Still enough to engage with man pads if there is enough visibility area to lock on and fire.
Australia has literally no enemies closeby. They did it because they realized it was just absurd. Just like Australia having tanks is absurd, all Australia needs is fighter jets, refuling tankers, submarines, destroyers etc. Not ground troops and their supporting vehicles.
Well, Norway also had a lot of issues with the NH90, both as a technical product and with the manufacturer. The order for the helicopters was signed in 2001, with deliveries scheduled to start in 2005. In 2012, they still had not received the first helicopter. When attempted deliveries finally started taking place, the first helicopters were so fault-ridden they were rejected outright. Even the fixed batches were not what the manufacturer promised. This was supposed to be a frigate helicopter, and it would start rusting if you showed it a picture of the ocean. An Italian product with corrosion problems? No. Can't be :p When they finally got near a spec that actually worked in a maritime environment (Finland uses theirs in quite a different climate from Norway. Colder, drier, no salt), the operating costs and maintenance schedules to make them last more than a couple of years were far outside what was agreed in the contract. By 2016, six of 14 helicopters were delivered in a somewhat usable state, to be fixed when a final version was ready. When 2022 rolled around, NHI had still not delivered the ordered helicopters in a satisfactory state, and were signalling even more delays. The contract was cancelled and Norway bought MH-60R Seahawk instead. The Swedish armed forces reporting operating costs on the NH90 being six times that of the Blackhawk per operating hour in the same role. They also scrapped their remaining NH90s in favor of more maritime versions of the Blackhawk. I have no question the NH90 works for the role Finland needs it for. It did not fit for Norway, Sweden, Greece and Australia.
@@faust82 That sounds like the AREVA EPR nuclear reactor we bought for Olkiluoto 3. It was supposed to enter service in 2009, but after countless delays and problems, in entered service in 2023, mere 14 years late and god knows how much over budget.
This Finnish Helo Captain is more intelligent and has a better command of the English language than either presidential candidate, which is sad. What an awesome chopper the NH has become.
One sounds a bit nervous when she speaks, the other on the border of being senile. Notice how he keeps repeating himself if i was american i would pick the nervous one.
I was once on board one of these in a training exercise, we were learning how to board a helicopter. I was sitting right next to the open doors as the helicopter flew over a twisty frozen lake at treetop height, all I could hear was the noise of wind and the rotor as the view from the doors changed between the lake, trees, sky, trees, lake, and then I was pushed to my seat as the helicopter gained a few hundred meters of altitude in matter of what felt like seconds and turned around giving a beautiful shot of the snowy landscape stretching below us. I couldn't stop smiling during the flight, it was incomparably more fun and exciting than any roller coaster I have ever been on.
When I was as a conscript in Utti, there were these MI-8 there. They were flying museums compared to these modern Hi-Tec-instruments. The leap in 2008 was huge.
I am not serving in the Finland air force and have no experience with Mi8 and NH90.But I am till now on active duty of the Latvian state fire&rescue service with 26 years experience and also have 15 years experience of the serving in Zemessardze (national guard).
Well, I only want to say that russian's armory and tehnique may be not so complicated but are solid and reliable.
@@alexanderolesk2982 Yes you are right. Actually this must be one of the reasons why the update was a jump over so many generations. MI-8 served well and reliably.
Atleast Mi-8s were reliable unlike the NHs...
@@ZeSpektrum A flying cast iron fry pan is more reliable than a flying computer with sensors. That is a law of nature.
@@jkeitamo Yeah, but this is the NH90. Theres very good reasons why countries are moving away from it.
I trained the MD500 guys on their M250 C20 B engines 2 years ago. These soldiers are amazingly professional and very cool guys. I was impressed by their knowledge and skill. I met some of the pilots, and they rival any of the best pilots anywhere in the world. Utti is one of the most gorgeous places I have ever been. It is awesome to see this video showcase a great unit.
Their battalion also uses MD500Es. I had the pleasure of flying with a couple of their pilots at the factory. All I can say is these aviators are some of the best I have ever flown with!
I met these MD pilots, and yes, they are some of the best aviators I have ever met. Also, some of the nicest people anywhere!
Such an attractive machine
Looks great in that scheme too!
Looks do not tell everything ! So many features, and sensors and possible tasks, and so better than the BH, but as much need for servicing. That is really not good ! A disaster ! Be happy if you can keep 1 out of 2 flying and ready to fly ! But they are amazingly versatile !!!!!
There are shortages of parts in stock, very complex and time-consuming maintenance methods, easily breakable avionics equipment, and extremely low utilization rates. The NH-90 is a disaster in itself.
@@SnowLeopard2121 Since aussies parted their helos, i believe there is now excess of spare parts around, but cant really do nothing about maintenance and technical issues in that regard. Thankfully there is just 20 of those things in Finnish military so loss wont be bad as Aussies who had 44.
Think the problems of the maintenance were the typically problems of a relativ new system. In germany we had also very big problems with operational capability but with a new maintenance structure and enough spare parts it seems to be solved now.
They are flying effing crazy low. And fast. I had pleasure to have night exercise against them in the 90s as an NCO. Never forgotten it.
Finland only started receiving them in 2008 though? So unless you're talking about some other countries' NH90:s then you're talking out of your ass. Even then it was only in prototype stages up until 2007.
@@Yes-df3xx They flew ridiculously low and fast (considering the altitude) with previous Russian helos, too. It was Mil-8T simulating the enemy. 🙂
@@mikapeltokorpi7671 I'm aware of that lmao but saying "I had pleasure to have night exercise against *them* " is clearly implying you're talking about the NH90.
@@Yes-df3xx no, its implying he was talking about the finnish. Lol
@@Yes-df3xx he is implying he trained against the unit, not the helo.
Great video. I was British Army Air Corps for several years & can well relate to the "better people" aspect of the CO's comments there. If you have really good attention to detail, eyes on the ground as well as top class aircrew, then your boundaries are limitless (within the rules of flight safety, of course). Kiitos. 👍
Train, train as hard as you can. As a Pole, knowing that the day may come, is all the motivation I need.
The reason NH90 has served Finland better than some other countries is a matter of attitude, I believe. Due to our neighbour, it's a do or die situation for Finland. All the countries that have problems with the NH90, they never felt any pressure (at least since the Cold War ended), so they can only see the problems, not the possibilities.
The magazine feature will touch on this a lot more, in part it is absolutely due to mindset but is also down to the ownership of the type certificate which has allowed them to change from a calendar-based maintenance program to a flight-hour based program in partnership with NH.
@@Verticalmagmedia That's certainly an interesting, and quite weird, detail! Finns have never loved bureaucracy or someone else telling them how to do things, so I reckon that would have something to do with seeking such an exception, if it allows things to work better.
@@herrakaarme Certainly seems to have worked out for them, and they seem to be trying to adapt the NH90 to the SOF mission as much as they can - removing the ramp for example. Stay tuned for the feature!
If you have only 3 helicopters it's not that hard to maintain them
@@kooveemies Finland doesn't have 3 NH90's. It has 20
4:34 good blurring…
These are some really beautiful shots.
Nothing compares to the NH90. I have never flown with any other helicopter that has less vibration than the NH90. It's an incredible feeling, even when flying low.
And yet it is being retired, prematurely, by a number of nations. The running costs of it are absurdly high.
You are right in good and bad. In bad, The NH90 has turned out to be one of the most mechanically unreliable helicopters out there. It’s 100% about logistics, technical support, and the ability to keep aircraft in the field flying. The NH-90 is a fine helicopter, but spent so much time (=money) sitting awaiting parts that they simply became an un-economical choice. You’d have to buy so many just to keep a few flying. Which is why many operators are already looking for a replacement.
Depends what you expect from your helicopter
It’s good for certain purposes and is a step up from the Mi8 Finland used before
For Australia it was a step backwards from the Blackhawk
They r the biggest bucket of shit choppers in Australia they had too many problems and killed some of the best
and as someone whom you guys overfly every now and then, i can say its also one of the most silent choppers out there - this thing can whisper
like airwolf in whispermode. In germany the old bells (known from the vietnam movies) could be heared half a hour before they show up
During my service, I once was on board this one. It was amazing to watch from the side door as you could sometimes see the surface of the lake and sometimes the treetops. The speed was incredible and flew really low to the ground. Before landing the crew lifted the nose almost straight up into the sky and the altitude went up a lot in no time at all. It was an incredible feeling.
Beautiful camouflage pattern 💚🖤. Would really love to see one of those machines in person one day.
Cheers from Switzerland
I've seen these training flights from a boat while fishing, they fly pretty much lower than close-by terrain and trees over the lakes and once while i was fishing I was saluted by a NH rolling full speed basically 90* over me while manouvering the curvy lake path, I could not hear it coming as the terrain was blocking the noise. Crazy shit and I would never have the balls to even sit on the jumpseat on these flights. Good luck trying to catch these guys with radar
During my conscription, we got to train with these. They would fly fast and low, and I remember sitting, looking straight out the side of the nh90 but looking straight down, counting the pinecones on the pinetrees.
Then we did it in the dark, and I knew we were flying just as low, and all i could see was the horizon tilting every which way.
Kiitos‼
Excellent video. Thank you.
Incredible job Lloyd.
Nice ride boys y'all having all that fun
Very badass crews 😄
Low flying is tactical, but also cool as hell!
this is the FDF, when they go to the head its tactical.
"tactical" is a overused word to sound cool.. nothing else.
Everything an army does is ultimatively "tactical" as in , no shit sherlock.
Great video! I love it. The NH90 is just a very modern and well designed helicopter
Mr. Polso is such a cool finnish modern day bad ass; all respect.
The HN90 is an OK airframe, it’s not a great one. The operating cost and the amount of maintenance it requires is it’s limiting factor for many countries.
Such a besutiful machine with so much potential. But expensive, and apparently availability is really bad. Several nations had to buy different aircraft as stop gap measures. They have to iron out those issues real fast...
It’s a astonishing that 2 people could carry the whole unequipped main cell.
But the turbines should be redesigned
A beautiful machine. He has my dream job.
So beautiful chopper
Incredible Culture
Beautiful Vibe
Great example
Good work
As a Finn I love how they keep the M134D-H Minigun stowed. :D
That is a fine looking beast
that heli looks awesome!
Well Done!
So glad to have Finland in NATO.
Surprised to hear that they're using customer/stakeholder relations in a military organisation. Usually used in business and IT.
This is the flying I truly miss. It requires a lot of attention discipline and training.
Finland: "if we have a problem (with the NH90), we figure out how to fix it. We don't have a choice".
Australia: When we have a problem with the American-made night vision helmet used while flying the NH90, leading to a crash which killed 4 crew, we blame the NH90, ground them, scrap & dismantle them before any investigation could examine them to determine if the helicopter was to blame, & them happily fast-track more Blackhawks from our American overlords.
f15's have hud displayed night vision, why dont helis have these?
@@ronlucock3702 odd how American made night vision. Somehow caused a helicopter to suffer catastrophic transmission failure mid flight without warning.
Also odd how a country that had used its helicopter fleet for decades operationally at high tempos. Was never able to get the same performance out of the MRH90.
Honestly pull your head out of your ass people died and lying about it is just insulting….
It’s a helicopter that’s fine for some uses and terrible at others.
Australia was promised certain performances and it was never delivered. So they’ve moved onto a platform that can perform all the roles they require.
@@ArsenicApplejuice Hey Arsenic Apple Juice (can I call you "Arse" for short?).I'm not sure if the official report on the crash in Qld which killed 4 crew has been released, or ever will. They grounded, dismantled, & started replacing the fleet so fast, I think they were just hoping we'd all forget about it. I think the previous ditching before that however was the transmission failure.
60 Minutes however did a good story on the July 2023 crash, focussing on the night vision helmet which testing had alegedly almost guaranteed would lead to crashes. This was backed by eyewitness accounts from the other helicoptes in the formation which saw it just pitch down & go straight into the water. So there's that.
As for performance issues, rumour has it we tried to "over-tech" it, with stuff it was never designed to have. You would have thought we'd learn our lesson from the failed Seasprite program where we tried the same thing.
As for a platform that meets our requirements, the main reason we chose the NH-90 over more Blackhawks in the first place was because of the one feature the Blackhawk didn't have - a rear ramp door. Many of the issues that came later, like not being able to open or close the side door with a side-mounted machine gun there (like on a Blackhawk) was not something that was in the original specs. Once again, they deliberately over-complicated it & then found it to be a failure against criteria it was never intended to meet.
@@ronlucock3702 We bought the wrong helicopter because John Howard believed the brochure from Airbus. Overruling ADF advice
Taipan never was capable of performing the mission profiles within the our expected operational conditions. Despite assurances to the contrary. We didn’t overtech anything, we tried to use it outside its performance capability after being directed to/ assured by airbus and eurocopter it could. And as yet never has done with any user. Other operators employ their MRH90 within a much more restrictive operating concept.
As to your speculation to the causes of the fatal crash. I’ll leave that to you. You’re still spreading unsubstantiated nonsense and I object to that
@@ArsenicApplejuice Well I did say I got it from 60 minutes. Spreading unsubstantiated nonsense is what they do best! Cheers mate.
those NH90 looks so cool
Seems like the NH90 helicopter family finally matured in Europe. The result is a solid and incredible efficient medium helicopter. France and Germany have also integrated them well in their army and navy.
Integrating well... And replacing them because NH90s are subpar helicopter to what is available now.
@@ZeSpektrum how is that, and what theyre replacing them with?
@@zoolkhan Norway with Seahawks, Greece stopped orders midway and are getting Blackhawks instead, Australia switching to mix Blackhawks and Chinooks, Sweden switching to more blackhawks and looks like Finland is following soon too.
@@ZeSpektrum i saw no indication that finland follows, other than pressure by the americans ...
i guess time will tell.
@@zoolkhan That's because you aren't reading the Finnish publications. The flight hour costs are already climbing extremely high, and with both norway and sweden moving to better and and actually combat proven platform the NH-90 fate isn't great. 2017 flight hour cost was already around 17000 eur from sub 7000 eur in 2015 for example.
We need this heli in DCS World !
1:32 you can try to look cool, but you wont be as cool as that guy
Totta 😂
Lots of MH 90 spares in Australia.! Flying and maintaining them all too hard apparently but 15 other countries use them to great effect
Didn't they bury them in the australian desert?
I'm with you fly low and I will survive
Looks good.
We fly low and hit hard.
OUTSTANDING : o .....
133-IAX 4:24 .. good blurring.
i always enjoy when they fly this beast near my home :D. atleast they used to.
Edit: i assume they practised landing at the hospital.
Attractive A2/AD
one of these flew over my house like a year ago and like in the video it flew VERY low
Awesome!
4:27 So what did the RAAF do differently with their NH90's 🧐
Piti sit kirjottaa only siihen nimeen.
Interesting to see the use of Alpha's and not TopOwl.
Got the sense it was personal preference amongst crews - some preferred Alphas over TopOwl.
Fair enough. TopOwl takes a bit of getting used to. I’ll take it over an Alpha or Gentex any day.
We have to stay united to protect Eu borders from Russia.
Lol, the real enemy is already inside: politicians who don’t care about their people.
you have been brainwashed
@@MissCheeseE Yes, and her name is: MissCheeseE 💩
@@MissCheeseE ya know that in ur family is ur enemy in here west😂😂 mee töihin
The your real problem is the other country sitting across the Pacific ocean pushing the beautiful European continent to provoke anther country who is not provoking anyone
Finland needs to expand their chopper battalions
Why?
20 is plenty for the operational environment they are intended to be used in and now that Finland is in NATO (and getting a US base I believe), there's even less need to expand the fleet
@@coolsenjoyer Don't know about permanent base (i dont think there has been decision on it yet from our goverment here). But US troops and airforce has free access to pretty much all airbases in Finland. And as far as i know they have pretty big are for construction in Pirkkala Air Base. Wouldn't be suprised to see some helos from the USAF in there
Not at all. Drone battalions is what we need and FAST.
why?
what is the "8280 bubble" (mentioned around 0:23), some sort of nickname for a Russian radar?
A2/AD buble. Anti-access(long range weapons). Prevent opponent from entering theater/Area denial(Short range weapons). Prevent opponents freedom of action in theater.
How Low can you go?
Low!!
This would give it attack and destroy capabilities and fast transport of troops
The safety book goes out the window when a SAM is climbing your rear
What is A 280 as he mentions in the beginning? Google couldn't answer
Also interested what it means, does anyone know?
A2/AD, anti-access, anti-denial. It's literally on the screen.
@@leka34 area denial
Still not sure about the NH90 given some operators love it and other struggle, is it because of different load outs?
they had teething problems in the beginning. Those operators who struggle, how old are those statements?
compare to the americans and their ospreys its nothing. They have had more fatal crashes in the osprey than i have fingers on my hands. Finland NH90: zero
@@zoolkhan Australia, Norway and Sweden are or have replaced theirs already with numerous teething problems eventually sorted in New Zealand, Belgium and the Netherlands. Maybe it’s the individual requirements that have not worked.
It's a skill issue
the front looks like a derpy snake at 1:43
Arma 3 taught me to fly low. Can confirm.
tehkääpä video missä esittelette mahdollisia aseistuksia ja tulen torjunta ominaisuuksia hekoissa :)
Who knew no one knew flying low avoids radar detection🙄
:-) i tried i failed and was fined 500€ for speeding - finnish police is vicious
These things are for sure the most hated things in anti-air. Nothing more annoying than one of them just popping above tree line out of nowhere for 5 seconds and disappearing.
Maybe an Icarus - patch would be perfect for you flying low!!😉🤷👍
-- Come too close to the sun (too high) and you will die -- .....
I recently watched an updated topic about China using starlink satellite systems to track low flying aircraft and stealth aircraft in the battlefields. They said they can also target drones and the speed of its router's. They claim that is how accurate the system is . If this is true, then what they claim then military development is going to have to be upgraded against such a system.
oh yeah, since the chinese are truesayers now :)
common dude. Starlink is a TCP/IP network - they do not send out pings to objects other than groundstation dishes - and they do not even direct their traffic, it is
the base station phased array, that is tracking the sattelites - not the other way around.
So, yes - if you put a starlink dish on your tank - then the tank can be tracked by starlink.
If you know how the tech works, then you would be less resceptive for propaganda of the bullshit kind.
But why did the Aussies get rid of these aircraft though?
That's cute but please Finland get some more helicopters.
All those guys sound like Mika Hakkinen to me…
all you guys sound like donald trump to me
Hakkinen is legend and respects other humans. Trump is a convicted felon. There's a big difference there.
Until you get a meeting with a next gen warfare fpv drone
NH90非常帅，但是我个人觉得EH101更好看😄
If you ever feel useless just remember the mosaic censor for the quad's license plate.
watch out ruzzia.. this time Finland is prepared.
Nice chopper but that’s it for all of Finland?
Finland’s only the helicopter battalion, not the only helicopter. We have a modern army, but things have to be prioritized, don't forget that Finland has less than 6 million inhabitants. I doubt if any country so small is so armed.
All of Scandinavia is about 28 million people, less than all of Texas.
Beautiful looking helicopter pity is so flimsy and expensive to operate,,,,
It is literally one of the most sturdy helis around, and the most advanced with 4-axis autopilot, fly by wire, able to work in -40 to +50 celsius, 6 hr endurance and the frame is built to take hits and not break apart.
Utin jääkärirykmentin NH90 on hieno!
🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮💯👍
nice nice 🔝🔝
Good for landfill here in Australia
Can someone tell me the song name please? 0:13
Jiye bhutto
Fur Elise ?
I also fly super low in Arma 3 because of uhmm... safety... uh yes, it's definitely for safety! No other reason whatsoever.
Australia scraped these helo's to go back to blackhawks
I cant think of anyone i want to fight less than the Finns, except Captain obvious
Rescue team save people....!?#
cool
GG guys so sad with so many forests you can't fly as low as us in france 3 meters ...
Good thing forests makes it harder for drones to spot us ;) Good luck with drones in France :) Just kidding, all countries have prones and cons, in Finland the weather is bad for 70% of the year 😆
"The only helicopter battalion", really? Only one battalion?
Yes, one helicopter battalion which provides the capatibility to the force that needs it. Mostly used but the Special forces (Special Jäger Battalion, Navy Amphibious task unit, Border Guard special detachment 5, Police Bear Squad, etc if needed), but it can be used to drop of regular recon troops or high readiness infantry.
The helicopter battalion is the unit that has and mans the helicopters, but they are used to deliver other units to wanted locations and other missions ofc as well.
FINLANDS ARMY COMMANDER MILITARY 😃😃😃👍👍👍UAU UAU UAU 🇫🇮
Where are the Australians' NH-90s ??? :)))))))))))))
The Australian government had them dismantled and the main frames buried. Still pisses me off about the sheer stupidity and waste.
@@martinwhatley6512 they should never have been purchased.
Howard overruled defences advise to purchase a helicopter that was not fit for purpose.
Other countries may have a different purpose which the platform might excel at.
But the MRH90 proved deficient in key roles required by the ADF.
So have moved on to a more suitable platform for Australia’s requirement.
Which I must emphasise may be an entirely different set of requirements to Finland. So this doesn’t mean that it’s a bad choice for Finland.
If one person needs a screwdriver and another a hammer….
in the hands of incompetent people i would suggest.
@@zoolkhan probably not burn you think it is.
They were scrapped for parts and fed back into the NH90 supply chain. Probably being used by countries like Italy New Zealand Finland etc
Helicopter Battalion
33 AX
"Flying Low-Level" This is how Russia lost the most helicopters. Flying very low, there is no time to counter-act after someone fires a missile from a MANPAD.
....the only helicopter thrown away without ending its life span, so stoopid was the design, concept, anything: Norway, Australia will remove or already had been removed from service
But like un Ukraine, are you not concerned o being hit by manpads by fyling low?
what stupid question is that. what would you have them do then, park in a hangar until the war is over?
of course there is the manpad concern, as is the long range missile concern..... hopefully no manpads on the own soil, eh?
FDF is a defencive army, finnish choppers dont fly to enemy territory and provoke the manpads.
the NH90 has some nice electronics to deal with threats, when it comes to that lets hope they work.
Sure train ahead, but next time try to keep little distance from the houses when flying fast and low. Almost shattered my house windows flying tandem couple years ago -.- Those NH90's make quite a ruckus and can easily be detected several clicks away just from the sounds alone, though the sound is so low the direction is bit harder to identify. Still enough to engage with man pads if there is enough visibility area to lock on and fire.
They are not supposed to fly in areas with manpads, they are not supposed to fly near enemy lines.
So Finland can operate the NH90, but Australia couldn't?.....WTactual F?
Australia has literally no enemies closeby. They did it because they realized it was just absurd. Just like Australia having tanks is absurd, all Australia needs is fighter jets, refuling tankers, submarines, destroyers etc. Not ground troops and their supporting vehicles.
Well, Norway also had a lot of issues with the NH90, both as a technical product and with the manufacturer.
The order for the helicopters was signed in 2001, with deliveries scheduled to start in 2005. In 2012, they still had not received the first helicopter.
When attempted deliveries finally started taking place, the first helicopters were so fault-ridden they were rejected outright. Even the fixed batches were not what the manufacturer promised. This was supposed to be a frigate helicopter, and it would start rusting if you showed it a picture of the ocean.
An Italian product with corrosion problems? No. Can't be :p
When they finally got near a spec that actually worked in a maritime environment (Finland uses theirs in quite a different climate from Norway. Colder, drier, no salt), the operating costs and maintenance schedules to make them last more than a couple of years were far outside what was agreed in the contract.
By 2016, six of 14 helicopters were delivered in a somewhat usable state, to be fixed when a final version was ready.
When 2022 rolled around, NHI had still not delivered the ordered helicopters in a satisfactory state, and were signalling even more delays. The contract was cancelled and Norway bought MH-60R Seahawk instead.
The Swedish armed forces reporting operating costs on the NH90 being six times that of the Blackhawk per operating hour in the same role. They also scrapped their remaining NH90s in favor of more maritime versions of the Blackhawk.
I have no question the NH90 works for the role Finland needs it for. It did not fit for Norway, Sweden, Greece and Australia.
@@faust82 That sounds like the AREVA EPR nuclear reactor we bought for Olkiluoto 3. It was supposed to enter service in 2009, but after countless delays and problems, in entered service in 2023, mere 14 years late and god knows how much over budget.
Quite expensive vs Blackhawk in maintainance
Cool
getting cheaper every day
When the magazine feature goes live, the maintenance schedule is discussed quite a lot as the Finns program is very unique.
Yes, just because of the quantity. As an airframe Blackhawk is old. Not bad, just becoming soon to end of its lifespan.
It only feels expensive if you don't have money
This Finnish Helo Captain is more intelligent and has a better command of the English language than either presidential candidate, which is sad. What an awesome chopper the NH has become.
One sounds a bit nervous when she speaks, the other on the border of being senile. Notice how he keeps repeating himself
if i was american i would pick the nervous one.