Officer Down: Suicide and harassment in Ontario’s provincial police service - The Fifth Estate
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2019
- In the last 30 years, more OPP officers have died by suicide than in the line of duty, including three in just one month last year. Is one of Canada’s largest police forces doing enough to protect the well being of its own officers? Our investigation reveals what some call a culture of bullying, intimidation and harassment within the OPP, which the force denies.
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If you're worried someone you know may be at risk of suicide, you should talk to them about it, says the Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention.
Here are some warning signs: Suicidal thoughts, substance abuse, purposelessness, anxiety, feeling trapped, hopelessness and helplessness, withdrawal, anger, recklessness and mood changes.
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A case from my town, would make a good episode!
The fifth estate please to an episode on saint John new Brunswick serial killer noel Micheal winters. From drugs violence and murder to gangsters and bikers. Very intriguing story
Awww poor little boys and these are supposed to “protect” us what a joke
OPP have had 3 since this aired yet no changes at OPP.... fifth estate need to do a return on this .... they have had 8 months to change and have done nothing ......
I met great police offers who were amazingly supportive when I went to file a complaint of a sexual harassment at a workplace(Canadian Government) as well as a culture of intimidation after I filed my complaint. Some of the police officers who are dear to my heart shared with me the harassment they have been going through themselves inside the police forces. I left their offices with more pain. I myself have thought of suicide in many occasions and I am still alive today because of two things: my Lord and my pet. The culture of harassment, sexual harassment, intimidations to the point where they push people to a suicide became quite common in Canada.
As a retired OPP Officer your coverage of our organization was excellent. It's hard enough that you put your life on the line every day you go to work.Taking your life because you fear failure in a career you love to do is unacceptable.There are warning signs and this organization has consistently failed to address these issues, leaving grieving families with questions they can't answer because of their total incompetence .All these suicides and still no clear path to address this issue, how many more officers have to die before they get the message. Honesty and integrity two words that this organization lacks the meaning of.We are nothing more than badge numbers.There are other demoralizing factors that affect the lives of OPP officers, officers in the OPP from time to time have had their careers ended, basically are sacrificial lambs to protect the OPP from themselves, the OPPA Association a waste of an organization lacks the fortitude necessary to protect the interest of its members and their families against this culture of mismanagement and bullying, Professional Standards Branch made up of ego driven officers who lack the necessary investigative skills and are tasked to investigate an officer and determine if that person is fired or demoted having little regard as to how this investigation will affect the officers health, family or his livelihood. Each region is treated like a kingdom where the detachment commander is the king and rules his empire through intimidation, jealousy ,bullying and nepotism. You basically have a target on you back and considered the flavour of the week.AS OPP OFFICERS WE SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS PROVINCE . Promotions are given to the ass kissers and it's still a good old boys network. If you are a complete moron the force puts you in a relative meaningless position still making 100k a year. The real police officers and there are many who go to work every day and serve the people of this province with honour and dignity are the ones that when they request a change are told to wait their turn. To those officers that go to work every day putting their life on the line may God keep you and your families safe.
I know,it's true.And hard. Thank you for this comment,and RIP for all those who were so scarred that life became unbearable. So sad...
Thank you for being so open and sharing this with us. Please know that there many of us out here who appreciates the years that you served and are truly grateful. Respect 😘
Sending love to you Sir and also sending my prayers to those officers who are now in tough situations, may God light their ways and keep theirs families safe🙏
No it's because cops are weak minded people! Better them killing themselves than innocent people!!
Well said !!
If this is how most cops are willing to treat one of their own, imagine what they'll put a civilian through..
That system is so corrupt that a good cop doesn't have a hope in hell.
Agree 💯
The so-called 'good cop' argument. No, any bystander that doesn't take a stand and tries (even if doomed to fail) is no good cop.
What planet are you from. The system is not corrupt it's the members running the system to suit their needs.
@@Sparkk0 THERE IS NO FAILURE IN TRYING JUST ANOTHER DAY IS NEEDED TO RESURRECT THE BATTLE, EVEN FROM DEATH YOU CAN HAVE A REACH FROM THE GRAVE.....SO WARRIORS NEVER REALLY DIE THEY MORPH INTO A DIFFERENT FORM....
@j mcmann purely a non backed opinion
He turns in his boss..for interfering and obstruction in a criminal investigation...thats when they go after you!
Who polices THE POLICE when they're dirty?!
@@onlinemamamwom7936 agreed!
the SIU
@@SlobsNSlimersTV I'd hardly call them impartial !
here is your answer
Special Investigations Unit
Ontario Office of the Independent Police Review
Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services
@Cheryl it should be called external affairs. And independent
My husband was a police officer for 33 years..He fought the streets he worked grave yard he worked Detectives and was put in hospital 4 times..He drank too much at times but when he retired he never drank and he never smoked..He had me always to talk too..He fought against administration that pushed paperwork and were never real cops..His heart enlarged and blood pressure high and a bleeding ulcer and because of his heart not pumping right he was put on oxygen and yes his health came directly from his job.. They do push you from the top of the departments and he was active on the Union board that higher-ups do not like that..Yet he saved lives and cared about you and me and our son..We just lost him and he fought to the very end..He was strong and brave no matter what Department heads did He won and left me a large full retirement that he gave his time and health and finally his life for. I salute my husband the good man and cop.
Right
Hope he died
I am not anti-union at all ( was a union member for years), but police unions protect some really bad cops. It's a union that needs to be revamped imo. Not saying your husband was bad. I know management in some places is awful, thus the need for unions.
This is so sad. I don't understand that kind of culture. .....so petty and unnecessary. The two 'spokespersons' at the end were so obviously trying to cover thier arses. Own up to the problems and find solutions, that simple .
Omg I know right!? I think it's just so ingrained in them to cover their asses. Just listening to the two at the end give excuses, made me want to just grab, shake, and yell at 'em!!!
@@dangeejr Did I expect them to admit that the OPP is a broken family or that the stressors of the job can cause PTSD and lead persons to commit suicide? Not at all. Too many excuses
Cancel Culture on wheels
I just love The Fifth Estate. Thank you for what you do!
SHAME SHAME on the O.P.P for not making all tools available for their PTSD officers., Instead of helping your own you HARRASS them by driving them to Suicede!!! I am appaulled!
Police are some of the most important People on Earth. They do an amazing job for us and should be taken care of in every way that they need. Someone needs to be there to tell them that these feelings will pass. That they are helping Society and that we honour them for their Service. It's sad for anyone to feel such despair.
@@lorimiller4301 The most important people on earth? They kill- EMT's and firefighters serve and protect.
@@yomama9567you should have stayed in school.
Yo Mama Killing is what you hear about on news not the mundane nor brave things that they do
Well there's bad People and there's Cops. I know which side I'm on.
No doubt all Law Enforcement agents and First Responders have very difficult and high stress jobs. The fact that these 2 representatives of OPP don't seem to get that is disturbing. The care given needs to be proactive and probing and the LA Police seem to understand that. What a disgrace for the OPP to have been handed a potential tool to help their officers and to basically say, no thanks, no problem here. Great bit of reporting.
unfortunantely it's not just the OPP!!
For as long as the OPP Commissioner does not acknowledge the link between occupational stress (including bullying and harrassment) and suicide, this problem will not be resolved.
Supposedly honest police. They get rid of the ones that are actually honest. The cops that put on the tough guy acts are the ones that are insecure.
Joseph T. Yes- the good ones get the Serpico treatment!
95 percentage Mason's says it all. Luciferian
What do you really know? 👎
@@catman8670 Probably more than you .
@@catman8670 said the cop
That commissioner is in total denial.
The same thing happens in many workplaces. A refusal to admit that bullying or harassment exists = we don't have to deal with it. If a person tries to raise the problem with management or Human Resources, the first thing they are told in very strong terms is that "harassment is a very serious charge" to make against a fellow employee. It feels like a intimidation tactic intended to scare you into silence before they've even heard what you have to say.
He's not in denail he's pllaying politics! they're bullies!!
@@tbone7872 - you are absolutely right. The denial is mandatory everywhere this exists because if they deny there is a problem, they can't be expected to deal with it. And any admission that it does exist opens them to potential liability.
@@northguy9761 they do that because people try to get people fired over bullshit because they dont like them. Two sides of the same coin.
It's a shame that showing signs of caring or compassion ,is a sign of weakness instead of being human.Makes you wonder why this profession has such a high divorce rate.
and drinking problems
The Bible: Good words strengthen the body, but sour words drieth up the bones
@Mrs. Arthur Morgan Yes. I was physically shoved violently by a man cop only because I touched his pen in his shirt pocket after he's just finnished LYING to me that he didn't have a pen when I asked for his name and badge no. Wow, I said to myself, these cops sure don't know how to treat a woman like she's a woman. He really scared me and left me shaking for a long time after only because I touched his pen lightly as I was pointing it out. Then they both went on about how I touched him so I deserved it. They are MONSTERS in my eyes and they're not human but some kind of scary android robot inhumane thing. I'm scared of cops. Why? Cuz I think they're CRAZY.
Then the supervisor I complained to told me; "well now, you'll know not to touch a cop" Ughhhh! I didn't touch him, but his stupid pen as I was trying to say he had one. Sick, twisted idiots.
Thank God for his Dog. He made the right choice. Don't abandon your Pets. They need you and love you.
Lori... 💜😁🇱🇷🌿🛐🍸⚫️🐇
And your children, if you have some. They need you even more then your dogs, cats couldn't care less about you. You surly don't want to leave them with the stigma of being the child of a parent who committed suicide.
Agreed. I just hope he keeps going whenever that sad day comes where he'll outlive his dog. If he's reading this - I want him to know he should continue even then. He seems like a wonderful, kind bloke(who yes, IS strong to have put up with all this). We as a society need more people like him around. Maybe he'd find working in the animal welfare sector a rewarding bit of therapy. Either working in a shelter with dogs, or on the frontline as an animal welfare officer for a non-profit organisation - I'm sure he'd be great at it. And find more dogs who'll want his help.
Reason he's still Alive bc he didn't had a wife lol
How do you know what an animal is thinking especially one that has a built in bond with the owner maybe you should think before you talk idiot.
The police commissioner is a typical mouthpiece
Keep up the good work. "The Fifth Estate" is one of my all time favorites! Thank you for the upload! Sencere regards from Kentucky 🇺🇸...💙✌😊
Please vote smarter...
It's bad enough when children act like bullies, but police officers? The harassment is real. These story's broke my heart. I'm glad these men are sharing, it isn't easy, and I wish them well. Sounds like the OPP treat these men and women as disposable commodities. They need to be deeply looked into, exposed, and some of the higher ups need to be fired. Shameful! Just more stalling from the talking heads, who can't defend themselves, because they know it's a problem, but refuse to acknowledge any culpability and still haven't implemented any real change.
OPP NEEDED AND NEEDS A CLEANING OF HOUSE. .For many years now the question is when ...awesome program
Actually Teresa EVERY Canadian police agency needs a house cleaning. The problem is not specific to one agency.
Teresa Rogers yes ecspecially now that most are working for the Iraqi mafia.
@@ve3xtr very true. .unfortunately the program was only about opp.
I think they consider anyone with problems as weak, and they don't want to deal with them. They actually aren't concerned with the suicides. They need to start at the top, and fire the main brass.
T Porchia strange they often have the same no hair hairstyle Maybe it’s from all the stress
Fish rots from the head.
I work for the police and you are bang on!!
The acting commissioner and head of wellness would probably be bully themselves if they had admitted that there's anything wrong with the force.
My favourite is “I am not a psychologist”. Love you have located the core issue in this operation right there
I genuinely feel sorry for the police officers and the detectives who are in their jobs for the right reasons. Bullying is everywhere in the world and in every single work place. Though these people who are in the positions of power and authority , and they are supposed to follow their own laws and rules. Yet these people are not going to follow the laws and the rules , as soon as the police officers who are moralistic report them, they themselves become a victim of the very institution that promises to serve, protect and follow the laws on behalf of the people. The rabbit hole is deep and dark.
Seeing this toxic police culture permeate not just America but into Canada makes me genuinely sad.
@@MissSpaz it seems to be the entire English speaking world has this problem.
I wouldn't limit it to English speaking@@brianmurray8247
Excellent show. Shame on the OPP. To Serve and Protect... But not their own.... shameful!!!#
Actually, they never really "served or protected" me or anyone. More like "Pillage and Plunder".
Agree and that tag line is for the mentally enslaved public the only purpose the police have is to bring people to court and enforce the criminal code.
@@parkermelville8342 Exactly. Because now "police" has become a capitalist venture. On one side they have the best lawyers and unions representing them, (getting bigger guns, shinier cars, flashier lights, bigger budget...) then on the other side, they're in collusion with lawyers, doctors, judges and the medical community, where the police not only impose penalties and incur financial burdens (and demerit points), the residual effect also then employs a myriad of other jobs etc... It's a fucking ponzi scheme. Who the fuck could ever like cops or trust the law? (I certainly don't). In fact, laws DON'T exist. Statutory rape, speed limits, last calls for alcohol are all nominal. Remember, Laws are nothing more than carefully crafted arguments designed by those who are in power (usually white males) who impose rules and oppression onto the people. It's awful. It's disgusting! (Why not just teach people to be better citizens?). As a school teacher, my argument is: If the school boards hired twice as many teachers, the tax payers would need HALF as many cops. Thus, again, the police unions are stronger than education, and they bully their way through to getting what they want. 3 Cop suicides? Gimme a fuckin' break. Like.. honestly.. who the fuck cares!?!? What about all the panic and distress and anxiety and fear that cops put into people!? now *THAT* is something the Fifth Estate OUGHT to be reporting on. God speed.
Trust me it's not only the OPP it's a systemic problem throughout Policing. Police department I work for is exactly the same as the OPP. Everything those officers said was bang on about what goes on.
Animals have saved my life too, I couldn't do it without making sure they were ok, I survived the most serious bid, waking up covered in vomit among about 40 hours afterwards, but I hid that attempt over Christmas, saying I was going away, so someone could look after them. Although no one knew at the time. It took years, but am now more stable than ever before.
I wish you good health and happiness and remember you're never alone!
I KNOW SOMEONE WHO QUIT THE OPP FORCE CAUSE OF NOT BEING TREATED PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS A DANGEROUS JOB AND THERE IS A LOT OF LONG HOURS AND STRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUR OPP OFFICERS BETTER CAUSE IT'S FORCING THEM TO QUIT THEIR JOB!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I COULDN'T WATCH THIS WHOLE VIDEO CAUSE IT EFFECTED ME IN A BAD WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The officer, that turned his boss in, seems to be a wonderful person. Very kind and honest. It would be a great loss to the world if he had comitted suicide. I sincerely hope, that he can overcome this emotionally stressfull situation, he was in.
Sounds like that male police officer is very much for the police station and doesn't give a dam about his fellow coworkers same thing in the corporate world protect the company or you'll be fired
A good pet can be a literal lifesaver. 🐶 🐱 ♥️
7:18 Protect this man at all cost
Agreed. And to all who are serving and suffering at the same time.
Oh, yes. That poor, dear man.
Why,,,,,they refuse to protect us!!!! My house was broken into start of feb,,,they just made joke while the guy walked away,,,,,,2 days later he beat his wife near death....do you find this funny,,,,,these guys preyed on the public,,,,,,pot charges!!!!!!!why protect preditors??
Go to thunder bay and ask 100 people on the street what the biggest problem is,,,,they will tell you,,the OPP!!!!!!!! THE AGGRESSIVE COP,,,,,,,DIDNT SLOW DOWN,,,HE KILLED MANY LIVES,,,,YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!! I only found 3 peole not
like my comments,,,and hundreds liked them,,,,why,,,the truth!!!!
@@laurallama73 no tears for the thousands they,ve killed and ruined??????
Too bad they dont take complaints at siu ont. They turned blind eyes,,,,so should we!!!
I'd be a little suspicious in those deaths three deaths in three weeks come on of all suicides this department needs to be cleaned up and people need to go like the captain and all these other bullies that are working with them calling them names like little children cuz if they're doing that then they're doing a lot more being dirty
The 3/3 masonic number there as well along with the goofy commissioner thats been on the force 33 yrs.
Cops are immature. Bottom line. And you can't change immature.
It sounds like the OPP are in denial that there is even a problem. These are people first and if their mental well being isn't in check how do you think they are going to help our society when they are called upon. The bullying needs to stop and this is what we are trying to teach our children at home and in school. Why is it so hard for the force to implement the L.A strategy? Are we too proud to ask the Americans for help. Come on guys wake up and do the right thing!
Unfortunately it's the same in the black community.. Black people feel like it's weak to ask for help for mental illness.. It's not a weakness to ask for help at all!!
I have been down many times and yes thought about suicide due to a chronic pain illness that has a cure but my insurance won't cover it.. I had to say to myself, you cannot allow your kids to think you didn't love them enough to stay around.. That's what stopped me and then I went into the field of Forensic Psychology.... Thank you so much fido for keeping your owner strong and on this planet!!!
Huh, who's fido....? Ughh anyway, we're talking about the OPP, not the black community.
bastymanguy Exactly like fr why is this even relevant? So off topic.
I'm not a cop or a soldier, but I suffer from ptsd and I've never seen anything like these men have I can't even imagine!
As men we suffer in silence because much is expected of us .If we don't act tough or be tough it is classified as weakness so we convince ourselves we can handle whatever until we can't then we crash , sometimes hard .
@@rodneyvail2908
I'm so sorry that you have to live like that. It's not right. Hope things begin to change for the better soon.
I AM not surprised, and when there is bullying in the work place I AM not surprised that the police officers are not that trusting. I AM sorry for the families involved.
okAY
This is sad that the fifth estate would have to bring this to light. Here's a watershed moment for everyone, if the OPP won't help its own people in a time of crisis, what does everyone here feel about the mission statement "protect and serve"? Please let me know, as I feel that if this is the culture, then that ripple effects every thing to the water's edge.
Bullying happens in a lot of work places...including education to burger joints. It happens in politics to church groups. More and more people are just plain evil .
Cheryl, you are so right, bullying is just 'pure evil' & evil ties into the 'spiritual' & not just the physical & mental any way you look at it!! Police departments use to have chaplins, but this has gone the way of the dinosoar!!
This kind of bullying is in all work places. No wonder kids have learned what they have. It's sad to see and I do believe we need to do more everywhere about mental health issues.
Awesome job covering this story.
A same story certainly needs to be done and made public regarding our military and veterans.
It just reveals the true colors of the police officer mentality (i.e., abuse of authority, macho-chauvinistic, bullies, cold & heartless, ruthless, etc.)
That is what I've come to know about them and the military is like that but 10 times worse which is exactly why I don't shed a tear for the ignorant arrogant cops or military.
@@parkermelville8342 Amen
The way his right hand rubs the arm of his chair as he speaks about his suicidal thoughts @ 7:00 onwards absolutely breaks my heart :( poor man
All these stories are heartbreaking ...........................
That first cop was so brave to speak and be open about wanting to commit suicide, very vulnerable I pray he’s ok and finds the love of God if he hasn’t. So brave
28:20 asked the question about PTSD from the stress of the job and denies it...... #firethisguy #walmartgreeter
OMG the guy has been squating in the position for 33 yrs and can't muster the reality! Can't fix what you don't acknowledge! #Caveman #Helloitsthe21stCenturyCalling
What a bs answer. He even chuckles, "there's no connection". That's a lie. Anyone who witnesses trauma repeatedly would be prone to suicide just because of the unrelenting anguish of pain and loss. Being in the midst of brutality would weigh heavy on their hearts. They deserve an outlet especially suited for Police, First Responders, etc.
@@lorimiller4301 TRUTH! He outright lied! With a smile on his face! All first responders need available therapy and caregivers and programs in place. Its absurdity and total fabrication on his part that in the 21st century those programs for mental health are such a surprise to him to be needed ...in his awful narrow-minded ridiculous opinion.
Agree! It's actually very concerning that this is his public position on law enforcement & mental health. He doesn't even realize what other OPP reps are saying in acknowledging what police are exposed to...1:32
It's sickening but this guy is what passes for leadership today. Ambitious "yes people" who will tow the company line at all costs, bury their heads in the sand when necessary, and skate around the tough questions when asked.
I feel for the good police officers who like Josh lose their lives because of lack of support. Heartbreaking.
Is humanity ever be able to grow up..? It seems that it is universal some people find pleasure in bullying and harassing someone else and draw on that toxic energy.!
I do agree that life as a police officers is very stress full and dangerous,so does many other jobs.I myself worked for over 35 years in a very stress full and dangerous job and was harassed for almost all those 35 years until I retired early almost two years ago.I reform my job honestly,respectfully, decently,and lawfully daily and those made my heart and soul at peace.My consciences did set me free mentally,emotionally and physically. During my working years I have never thought about hurting myself because of my working conditions.It was only after my son wrongfully convicted in 2012 because of a police officer who was willing to lie under oath ,along with false evidences from his own confidential informants supported,aided and abetted by a prosecutor and judge and send my son to prison, I had thoughts of suicides.I hope these police officers stay strong like us, whom are suffering because of the Injustices they have done to us and always remember that Vengeance I For The Lord.
I'm glad that Robert turned in his boss for obstruction in a criminal investigation and that he upheld the oath that he took to serve and protect. I'm also very happy that he did not kill himself because during hard times and no matter how bad you feel about yourself, your life is important to someone. And you are still here to tell your story which will hopefully create some sort of change with the corruption in the police force. Always remember that your life is important and someone out there loves you.
Robin Moore thank you for speaking out your story. My dogs saved me too. 🐾🐾
Glad you are here Annette, your community needs you
It's sad that the "acting commissioner" is himself afraid to say that YES, the job is definitely a factor for the suicidal tendencies of his fellow officers. Speaking as a former nurse, I completely empathize with any first responder. We have seen and dealt with things others would never be able to or even fathom. Step it up OPP and support your "family".
That is why you got into it. To save people. The opp is not a family. It is policing.
Exactly!! Very well said!!!
As a retired officer I must say that the saddest day of my life was the day that I realized that I meant nothing to the organization. SO SO SO very lucky to have escaped.
I was harassed by the local police a lot! But the opp were the opposite, always thinking of helping me not finding some reason to arrest me! The individual officers were so good, I lived between two towns on a concession road parallel to the 401 then, hitch hiked a lot, they weren't allowed to give me a ride, (sometimes just a short one! to a better place to hike) But they did often enough take me back for a coffee, get warmed up then drop me b ack later, and check on me every hour or so. City detectives harassed me since I was 14, not for doing anything, just didn't like my looks.
I like the OPP and have much respect for them, and most officers. But I hate the bad ones, intolerant and uncaring drunk on power. Don't want to ever find yourself in a place with no police though, I can tell you that from experience!
Thank you for the upload. What a shame!! What’s wrong with humanity?
It's full of pretentious narcissists...
Eusa is evil and wicked and always has been and The Most High is sick and tired of it all.
Thank you for the great premier and the chat✌️
Happy you joined us. Thanks for all your thoughtful comments. ^mt
the fifth estate! you did a great job!! you scratched the surface. If you dig deeper you will find out a lot more disturbing things that go on...and it's not just the OPP
Canada does a helluva lot of "talking" and very little doing... seven yrs ago they were "talking" and now they're also "talking about doing something" - they won't. Bottom line higher-ups aka 'pencil pushers' don't give a hoot and that's unfortunate because that attitude also translates to how civilians are treated.
you can blame it on the "higher-ups" but the "lower-downs" are the officers that are following the orders to intimidate and harass their fellow officers and even their families...
Thats canada or you.
I totally agree, there is a lot of talking, more and more spending money in making policies, on another hand more and more disregarding policies, intimidating people who complaint about harassment, and making sure to push Canadians to suicide.
Yep. Read my story up above.
Fifth estate great as always! Shouldnt there be PRE TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER TRAINING??? This would avoid the post.... just like DUI, shouldnt cars have ignition interlock BEFORE people have an accident, not AFTER peoples lives are ruined?
They dont care about mental health and when you get sick they lie and disgard you like garbage
I had wanted my son to be an OPP officer now I'm glad he changed his mind. Sorry to hear some of the officer's committed suicide RIP. Condolences to their loved ones. Sad story :(
"I want them to be accountable." Let's take a moment to appreciate the difference between responsibility and accountability. "Responsibility" would apply to that one case, "accountability" applies to the functioning of the department. *So* important.
Thank you fifth Estate for bringing this into light.
When was this filmed?
The last two police personnel that were interviewed we giving political answers. Neither No or Yes but personal experiences.
Which leads me to think they either have no idea what’s going on, are ignoring what is happening, believe that their experience applies to all, or don’t believe that their organization could in anyway be a contributing factor in a person death by suicide.
They work for the same system that could terminate them if they don't speak politically correct. The lady barely moved from her position. She simply clasped her hands together, and nodded in agreement with the male . Looks like OPP sent the right representatives. CA retired PO.
This kind of stuff also goes on in nursing.you keep your mouth shut. I had to leave after burning out , I now suffer from bipolar disorder with panic attacks.
liz loves gifraffes, totally agree, am feeling the burn now too,never had anxiety in my life n I feel it coming, I love being a nurse but I must admit that my passion is slowly dying! BTW my sister loves giraffes too!
It goes on in Corrections as well. I worked in a very, very large county jail. It was the bullying, the good 'ole boy network, malicious verbal harassment etc; And you're right. You dare not open your mouth. After being there 18 years as a deputy sheriff, I now have depression, anxiety and a heart problem.
It's definitely pretty bad in Nursing. Our laws regarding harassment and bullying at work really need to change so we can prosecute these snakes.
Can't get bipolar from stress
steve austin, n stress leads to depression, one of the episodes of different kinds of bipolar.
I totally believe that, my ex has friends in law enforcement and during our custody case he send law enforcement after me. He acted like he was just a loving father and his son was being withheld. It was a complete lie he was very abusive after 5 years. I never withheld our son nor asked for child support. Then I wasn't even able to turn to law enforcement for help. It got so bad an officer was riding my bumper one night. I was terrified, I thought omg what will they do next plant drugs on me!!!? The complete character assassination, isolation, and constant fear will make you think some real dark thoughts. When I spoke up about the harrassment I was illegaly detained and shoved in the segregated housing unit for 196 hours and never allowed a phone call. The mafia at work!!
Yepp! That's the truth about cops!!
5 years is the time of probatory stage in most LE 💀
I'm struggling too. This story is harrowing. I guess everyone has their limits.
If you work for the police you have benefits. Get a private therapist asap
Hang in there , your loved
Sounds more like a gang than a family.
Can’t believe this is still going on in 2019. This was an issue at the RCMP 20 years ago
Celtic Pride It is still an issue. Even greater today than 20 years . Trust me, as a victim I can attest to this.
I know RCMP who suffer in silence.
So glad I watched this, changes my whole perspective
When you put in a complaint about missconduct,,,these good cops turn blind eyes,,,,,no tears being shed in our community over this show,,,,,none!!!
Those two cops have so much ice running through their veins they have a brick of ice for a heart.
It's all about corruption, lies, money, and crimes they are all involved in.
Why on God's Green Earth is no one INVESTIGATING them , MORE??
These people deserve help just as much as any other person.
Shouldn't matter what they do for a living.
People are people.
"Is this a broken family?" Unfortunately, a LOT of broken families normalize these things instead of recognizing that it's broken and needs to be fixed. When bullying is normalized the bullies don't see themselves as bullies. To me, this episode doesn't read like a culture that fully knows what it's doing, but a culture that needs to be always right to feel in control and the outside world is wrong to put them in a vulnerable position. It's going to take a long time for the OPP to change.
Those police bosses at the end of this show were full of barely concealed contempt.
How can the Commissioner say he doesn't know if there's a correlation between the job and PTSD? They see the worst of humanity. How can that not affect you?
Not wonder they treat the public so badly. shame on them
RIP to the three who died.
Claire McCallum Near 200 a yr for yrs.
The Fifth Estate is one of the best programs on TV . Thank you Canada !
Adults being bullied by other Adults is childish.
These cops are suppose to have each other's backs.....i guess not!
It took them six months to meet with a deceased officers wife ... absolutely disgusting. Shame on the OPP. God is watching you.
Thank you for sharing
This needs to go viral. Thank you for sharing this story.
That should not be a police captains thoughts a police Captain's thoughts should be on the amount of people whose lives you are saving and protecting not belittling you or acting like an idiot and not supporting his team that's not a captain that's a coward and that's sad I am so sorry for the loss are the police officers and I'm sure. You have done your jobs the best that you can please don't let it be because of other mean-spirited people bring you down you're better than that hold your head up high and be proud of how you have helped people I'm sure it's not an easy job the things that you see but hang in there👍👍👍
The OPP officers interviewed towards the end of this video do not recognize the problem! How can they solve a problem if it doesn’t exist ?
Only part way through but I feel so bad for the gentleman at 5:37, he says it bothered him for months and months but the way he grips his chair seems like it still haunts him to this day.
I am so sorry for the police
Well done Robin.
The stress of the job from the top effects, how they do interact with members of the Public.
They are not allowed to police naturally. Those at the top want all the credit.
They are now being told, look at civilians as possible law breakers. Not community policing any more!
Honest to god officers who go by the rules are bullied, by fellow officers. And the top will bear down on them, as individuals you have the might of all of the System out to get you.
It needs a full-sweep cleaning. Start firing them!!
As a first responder I’m saying it shameful how these supervisors are responding to this issue. It seems like they would like to just ignore it, and that is doing even more damage.There is a correlation between the jobs of first responders and suicide. Yes every geographical location is different, but LA has a program to help that has some good results. It can be adapted to their needs. If the higher ups weren’t so busy ignoring the problem.
Harrasment is alive and reaĺly well in the carpenters union winnipeg
It, took me a few year’s to develop a very thick emotional blocking to seeing blood, trauma, code Blues, physical and emotional abuse from patient’s, family member of patient’s and death. Management is NOT supportive to us needing personal time off.
A real man cries n admits his feelings, a coward just hides them.
I love that they meditate. I’ve never got to grips with it, but it must do some good. Sad to hear there are so many suicides. The pressure, horrifying deaths and targets must be so difficult to deal with. There needs to be help available to these brave men. Disgusting the way some cops turn on each other. They should be standing together, not trying to bring each other down.
I love the Fifth Estate. Always bring important issues to light. I’m from England, so unaware of these Canadian stories. They just don’t-or don’t seem to get-told here. I’ve loved the idea of visiting Canada for years. My dad (who I sadly lost to cancer two years ago) lived in Banff when I was younger. One day, I hope to walk in his footsteps. 🇨🇦
This officer is one of the good guys. Police corruption in Canada is a very real thing. I want to join the PD to make my best efforts to be the best person I can be. Do my best to make policing respectable again.
I work in healthcare and I have anxiety and I can see the man that stated he attempted to take his life but couldn’t because his dog was there. You can see he is riddled with anxiety and stressed beyond belief. He’s tremendously fidgety almost in tears and appears some what meek and defeated, not to be rude. and I know personally I can’t sit still and emotional.
In the Canadian Coast Guard they have a amassing EAP program (employee assistance program) In search and rescue when we have a bad call, minutes after the paper work is sent in or first thing the next morning we get a call from head office to see if all the crew is ok or if they would like to talk with some one, total class act. and it works.
I don't think the OPP have moved with the times.
One week after watching this another OPP officer commit suicide, they have a big big problem.
If the police departments don't care about their officers, how can the officers care about and treat the public appropriately?
Wow, just makes me question cops even more... they can’t even look after their own colleges let alone the public. Disappointed in the police force.
2 nights ago, I was harassed by a cop by him racing up behind me while I was driving the speed limit..he rode my a$$ for a few blocks then went around me, driving erratically from lane to lane no signals, speeding up slowing down for about 10 mins. Only to pull up beside me at a light .. I looked over to see a very baby faced East Indian male cop with a stupid smile on his face. I laughed at him before he raced unsafely around the corner with no signal... and I have all of this on my dash cam!
This is who is supposed to be protecting me??? Are you freakin kidding me???
This is in BC, we deal with these rogue cops out here all the time.
Sadly the good cops are being pushed out..and we are then stuck with the crazy rogue shady ones.
@MsYogaGrrrl I like how your brain works!
JMJ✝. Thank you to all federal, provincial and local Law Enforcement Officers 💙!
SMH I would file a lawsuit against the department keep ur head up guys.
What is most concerning about this report are that officers are being harassed to the point they think of killing themselves because of witnessing and reporting obstruction of justice. This is a totally separate concern that should have had CBC speaking with the AG of Ontario. WTF CBC. FACTS like this is buried in this story and should signal a HUGE PROBLEM within our justice system. These officers aren't the only ones to whistleblow about corruption in Ontario's police forces - including organized crime infiltration - but are not getting the national attention this deserves including an RCMP investigation and an independent commission to investigate police corruption in ALL Ontario's police forces that includes lawyers as well. If the NDP can call for an independent commission into #LAVSCAM then should be calling for an independent commission to investigate police corruption in Ontario. Perhaps NO political party is calling for this in Ontario is perhaps because of their own members are engaged in the corruption as well.
Hey,they said they are one big family,,,so these men did have everthing to do with tortureing me for years,,causeing deep harm!!!
Speak to family or someone you trust. Talk it out..get it out...even writing it out can help. 💪 I wish you well. Ignore the trolls!
@@funnygirl101ism thanks,but ALL doors get slammed in your face. I have looked for help,,,"its not in the budget for the poor."! "We will look into it"! Lots of silly statements,no help.
Our house was broken into at start of feb,,,they just made jokes when they showed up!,,,,,,,you reap what you sow!!!!!
@@maryannredfern5954 filthy trolling doesnt help.. you reap what you sow Mary Ann,insult the dissabled,,,you can see how well it works for these cops. Karma sucks.
I just love The Fifth Estate. It's one of the best documentary news shows ever on TV, way more succinct and to the point than any American show (20/20, 48 Hours, etc).
Yay for the CBC, our national treasure!
This needs to stop. And I hope and pray for all the officers that are being bullied and mistreated by their co workers. Thank you for your service and please look after yourselves.
This repulses me. If anyone truly understands what law enforcement endures, its fellow uniforms. How could they turn their backs on each other.......