Not Criminally Responsible : Jeffrey Arenburg - The Man Who Hears Voices - the fifth estate
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- The federal government has made it a priority: to toughen laws that allow people who commit violent acts to be found ‘not criminally responsible’ due to mental illness. The question: Is it for reasons of public safety or public opinion? In “The Man Who Hears Voices”, Bob McKeown interviews Jeffrey Arenburg, who speaks out for the first time since he was found not criminally responsible for killing a popular Ottawa sportscaster Brian Smith.
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Regardless of position on the NCR statutes, the offender being released with no criminal record after rehabilitation is mind blowing for me, particularly when it was a violent crime
Wow... so all I have to do is say act and pretend that I hear voices and I have a license to kill ?!
Mark Sosa Pretty much, sad. It helps immensely if you have a good attorney with a proven track record. Very sad indeed!
Totally mind boggling!!! This dude is clearly a time 💣 bomb to boot...
What gets me is that they released him even though he still believes the voices were real and that people really were listening to his thoughts
Not to mention a completely random one as well
Anyone released under an NCR ruling should be forced to take medication and see a psychiatrist for the rest of their lives. Monitoring by a probation officer should also be mandatory.
And who is to decide what type of medication is appropriate or if its working? You cant just force feed medication on ppl. The type/dosage/effictiveness is all a matter of opionion that will be disagreed upon by different health professionals so who decides whos opinion is most valid?
Pharmaceuticals are NOT the answer for everything in fact they often cause more harm than good.
My friend is paranoid schizophrenic. He refused his medication to control his mental illness. He murdered his father and was declared NCR. I know how the system works.
That's not true Chrissy
I also have to point out, I don't believe any of these people should have been found NCR to begin with.
How could you live with yourself being on that jury and going with NCR with the guy who killed his kids. WTF. That entire jury should live in shame.
Guy Turcotte is back in prison anyways. The criminally responsible thing was overturned, his actions were planned just to hurt his ex. His plan on pleading the "crazy" card did not work...
Arenburg shows no remorse and no ability towards personal insight. He is just oozing aggression! If he is getting angry at the gentle tone of the interviewer, he should not be out of an institute.
Melina Frame he should be in prison he’s and idiot!! If I lived in his town I would confront him and if he tried to lay a finger on me I would end all of his skitzoid problems forever!
You are absolutely right.
NCR is not innocent and asking about a crime that he committed shouldn't make him angry
He should be put down
@@briannoke4880 No, not prison. He is not lucid!
He is a danger to himself as well as others. He needs to be in an institution.
That's free health care for ya pal
"Not Criminally Responsible" is not the same as "Capable Of Living And Functioning In Society".
WashuHakubi4 . Absolutely right. The Canadian and US deinstitutionalization movement has been a complete disaster, massively increasing homelessness and placing the general populace in far greater danger of an unwarranted violent assault or even murder.
@@blindlemon9 institutions as they were are not the answer. They were often used to abuse people, some that were actually still capable of functioning in society until they were put in there. Something does need to be done though. There is no doubt about it.
@@jaydehall9731 He should be in the mental health system under conservatorship where he will be monitored & won't have the choice to stop his meds.
Dearest@@jaydehall9731 , anything can be abused; institutions shouldn't be ruled out, but maybe rights of patients revised. Be that as it may, in the US, halfway houses are expanding. I think they seem great for the mentally ill. Edited to add: maybe this ``room in Nova Scotia'' where Jeffrey Arenburg lives is serving as sort of a halfway house; maybe his landlady has been ``called'' or providentially has psychiatric/nursing skills to keep an eye on him. Hopefully. ``We all need somebody to lean on.'' These people do need helpful people (friends) in their lives to get well. Otherwise, they may as well be incarcerated.
Yes i unterstand ,i was bashed by a man hearing voices at at Drs surgery, haven't recovered, my daughter worked with mentally ill people i worry so much and it became all to clear when i was talking to pammy about driving and accidents when she said i have more chance at getting stabbed to death at work !! Pamela loves helping people .i wonder why i suffer from chronic anxiety?.
Canadian cop saying, ``taking someone's life is still one of the big taboos in our society'' was classic. Wow. Really?! Talk about understatement!
Once you kill two children you should never be released. NEVER...sick, crazy...whatever.
Agreed. It seems quite a simple conclusion to come to, so why then, is it difficult in law???
If they were my children, he would be dead and i would claim that the voices directed me to do it.
Right. Plus by their logic we can all go rob banks and then "hear voices" so we are free. Shameful state of affairs for this country
I totally agree! It should NEVER even be an option!! So sad, crazy and makes no sense!! Death penalty. PERIOD
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it said before the killing when he was on medication the voices stopped but then he quit taking his medication and he killed somebody well then he should have gone to prison.
Absolutely! He knew his fckn medication made the voices stop but he chose NOT to take it.
Exactly, Or he should've been deemed mentally unstable back THEN, requiring a 24 hr care provider OR an inpatient medical facility who'd be responsible for/ and licensed to administer any and ALL medications. Either that or give someone powr of attorney making them responsible for the administration of medications smh
I'm happy I'm not living in Canada when I see this man. Someone there has him as a neighbour.
And he doesn't even express any kind of remorse or sadness at all.
None🤬
Tell me about it. We live in a society where the Crown said it was ok to release the guy who cut off a young mans head on that Greyhound bus !
@@rscott2247 If you want to see the system come down hard on an individual just look at the treatment of a vigilante that has had enough. The system will not abide anyone other than themselves at the controls of society. Justice is an illusion.
Omg! This psychiatrist stating that a man that stabbed his children, in his opinion, was fit to join society after a short time... Is crazy. They couldnt make that statement BEFORE the murders, how dare they make it afterwards
Fell asleep and woke up here.... Canadians just love forgiving people... dont matter if they killed children or chopped someones head off.... "It wasn't their fault"
Hold on a minute. He said in the police interview that he had to kill him to bring attention to his hearing voices. No voice told him to murder that man, he made a conscious decision , he said it himself. How can this be not criminally responsible.
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Arenburg needs to be put away for the safety of others, he is seriously disturbed.
This is not the way justice should work for the majority.
So, you can behead a person, stab him, and eat parts of him in front of others and still be out on the street??? That is exactly what the Greyhound bus murderer did or kill your children or shoot someone. Why are these people not in a psych unit for life before they do it again?
That’s insane.
@@marlenemcgovern1045 you really believe that. Just wait until you are the one sentenced to a mandatory lobotomy.. I think you'll probably like it a lot less then..
Because medical professionals should make that decision (since they are trained in doing so). If they legitimately believe that he is no longer a threat, they have to let him go (if this weren't the case, then anyone could just randomly decide to keep you locked up if they felt like it.. Like, "there's no evidence that you will offend again based on our observations, but I decided that I just get a bad feeling from you, so I'm not gonna let you out..). God, I hope we never live in a society like that again (like the one we lived in just a few decades ago)..
Thats Canada for you!!!
@Susan Koessler If they could let Vincent Li back in society, then they will let any crazy person out after a number of years. I have zero faith in Canada's law enforcement and the medical community for watching those Fifth Estate documentaries!
A man who feels society owes him something...even after TAKING a most valuable life from another...is dangerous.
He's dead. Died in 2017.
@@coleroberts2024 How/Where Did He Die ??
@@sharonrenedavenport8995 heart attack
I have a right to life....So according to him Brian didn’t have that right?
What a crock.
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Canada seems a little NCR happy. The dude who killed his kids should be in prison for life. And people like Arenburg should be constantly monitored.
Either way you look at it, they are mentally ill and should be treated and checked. If they are not, shame on the government.
Nx Doyle Yeah, not impressed with Canada's seemingly very liberal attitude when it comes to criminals and justice.
@@johnreeves8123 yes but in America the only mental illness murder's are rich! But the one who were ill and couldn't get medicated because of religion are spending the rest of there life in prison!
agreed. at least one balanced comment who doesn't think mental ill people are just like regular evil killerswho should simply suffer punishment or be forever locked up
That dude who killed his children wasn't obviously really mentally ill. The verdict was appealed and he was sentenced to life for second-degree murder. So Canada's system works. On the other hand in the USA some seriously mentally ill people go to jail, like that guy who thought aliens was inviding earth because some states even don't have any NCR laws at all
also pal you not seeking help cost that man his life also the nerve of u saying it messed up your life how about his wife 21 years later and you can see how it still affects her
How can a man KILL his own children and live with himself?
Exactly. That’s a man with no conscious.
@@kortnie5947 What?
@@entombedmachine1518 I don’t know how I typed that lol whoops
he experiencing psychosis, did you not watch the program?
That is just straight up scary. The individuals adjudicated NCR need treatment and serious after-release monitoring by healthcare professional(s). Period. If it means I can sleep at night, I'll help pay for that in my provincial and/or federal taxes.
Why is there an “after release?” Society cannot pay the price for another’s mental illness.
@@karigross4596 And I reply "Where is your compassion?". My compassion lies with BOTH the victims of criminal acts and the perpetrators that suffer with crippling mental illnesses such a schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Shall we simply cage the afflicted or should we save the great unwashed tax payers even more money by simply smothering the bucket-of-deplorables with a pillow? What would you suggest Kari and I'm not in jest, in fact, I'm very much in earnest.
@@STR82DVD the only compassion lies with the innicant victims and not the guilty evil psychotic mentally deranged lunatics!:)
They should have to legally take medication for the rest of their lives. If they are found to have gone off em, then they should go to jail; or at least a mental hospital.
Not good enough! This is just excuses used every time and the idiot judges fall for the bullshit time and time again.
Meds aren't a magic wand that you wave and they get better
You administer drugs based on what helps them at the moment, and overmedication can be just as bad
Your comment is ignorant and mean
I know they try to make it sound like leaving taking drugs to him is some sort of trick, but who can tell you have mental symptoms other than the person?
They did it because they believe he's stable and the drugs are there as an emergency measure
June 2017:
Jeffrey Arenburg: Died of natural causes a free man.
Guy Turcotte: Retried and convicted, sentenced to life in prison.
Vincent Li: Absolute release.
Vincent li is released?! Yikes o_o
I was really sad to learn that Patrick Bigras, one of the first responding officers who found the children in the Guy Turcotte case, committed suicide due to his PTSD from finding those children :(
Whew, Arenburg died.
Jefftey Arenburg had a heart attack
@@c.t.1413 A free man
Wow these guys are not crazy THEY JUST KNEW HOW TO PLAY THE SYSTEM AND GOT AWAY WITH MURDER UNBELIEVABLE
This never made sense to me. Even if voices tell you to do something. What if a real person told you to do something. They wouldn't do it if a stranger told him.
Having random voices in the back of your head telling you weird things for years might be a bit different than having a live person speaking to your face? Also a lot of people DO blindly follow orders from others? this guy though,
shouldnt be anywhere doing anything.
This goes on for years for them, and there is no way to shut them up. They can't walk away from them, ever, and many schizoprenic have said that the voices threaten them if they don't do what they're told. Some have done horrible things to themselves or others. A schizophrenic crisis must be pretty terrifying...
Lndin
Really great point.
I never thought of that .... But it's so true !
It not just hearing voices, it’s a state of delusion and paranoia as well. This manically means they are at the dispense of these delusions and voices because they can’t really control themselves rationally.
Good point!
What is most shocking is the patient neglect. These people have life long health conditions and the medical professionals are abandoning them after they walk out of the door.
They are still potential murders until the day they die, they are not cured.
Pretty convenient that you were hearing voices when you killed someone and then they magically go away...
Fact: Schizophrenia is a permanent mental illness. The voices never just up and leave. In all cases of Schizophrenia I'm familiar with, not one case just spontaneously resolved. Not one. Medications help, but as we all know, Schizophrenics are notorious for going off meds as soon as they are no longer monitored. If this man no longer hears the voices and he's not on any meds, then he was misdiagnosed. It's possible he's a Sociopath that was doing mind-altering drugs long-term. No longer on drugs, hence no voices, but quite obviously still a raging Sociopath.
They "medically" go away.. not magically. If they choose to stop the medication knowing they need it.. they deserve prison.
Since the interviewer won't answer, I'll throw in my two cents. "Do you think I'm still paranoid schizophrenic?" Why yes, yes I do! And it's criminal that he's lose in that community without being held to any sort of a treatment plan.
"Yes I do! I have never heard of it going away!"
Yes I do too. And he should be kept in enforced treatment and hospitalization. But it's all about money, not safety or punishment even. It's all about money. And it's criminal that that is the truth of the matter. Imho.(Edit to correct typo)
Go, go you crazy Canuks!
Not you Shammy, the bizzar Jeffrey dude.
Perfect
He is still full of anger and rage. He should be locked up.
"No mandatory aftercare" = huge injustice to victims
That is crazy. Just let them out.
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Anyone found NCR should have to live with the judge or prosecutors! Then everyone lives happily ever after.
Lol nice. Make them have to worry about dying by the ncr's hand they might think twice
What an ignorant and irresponsible statement. The subject at hand is not a dog, it's a human being.
I hope that your mental health is always good since it appears that your moral compass is not operational.
Diane Lalonde Well, that human being that took a life shouldn’t be free in society. By his own admission he said that he knew the guy, but the guy was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Coincidence? I doubt it. He knew right from wrong then, and still does today. At the bare minimum, this guy should be supervised by mental health specialists weekly. In my humble opinion he got away with murder. The reason: only he knows and will never divulge it. Funny how he complains about being labeled this and that, but the other guy is six feet under or cremated. This is insane.
@@alvaroakatico9188 he complains about it but if he' hadn't got it he would be rotting in a cell right now. Got the ultimate free pass and whines like he's the victim.
Its actually not the judge or the prosecution that determines NCR. That is where forensic psychiatrist and psychologist come in.
Thank God for honest souls like this nurse who saw corruption, and called it out! She's on the right side..
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Just watching/listening to Jeffery A. in this video/interview, & I came to the conclusion that this man can 100% decipher right from wrong!! I, myself have been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia @ age 16, I hear voices 24/7, I hallucinate 24/7, but I can decipher reality from hallucinations, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I can decipher right/wrong!!!! I DO NOT AGREE WITH PEOPLE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE OF A MENTAL DISORDER! And I never will.
too bad the voices didnt convince him do do himself in,,,,,,,,,
Never. They never kill their host.
That's the one thing the voices never tell them. Because of course the voices are made up by some idiot lawyer. Hang this guy on CTV or something maybe better ratings!!
a very stupid and ignorant comment.
@@whitefang238 how so?
@@whitefang238 the fact that this man continued to victimized people says it all. Having dealt with a man that became unstable and begged me to meet him with our 4 month old daughter in tow, only to shoot himself later that night after i refused, tells me how uninformed you are to the danger some mentally ill people pose. I pray you never REALLY get it
This made me sick. I’m an American and our justice system is just as messed up if you can afford to pay for an excellent attorney you can get out of just about anything here to. I’m so very sorry for the family’s of the people who were murdered and my heart breaks for them.
My sister had mental illness and heard voices. It was up to her to take her meds. I think all NCR people need to somehow be forced to take their meds, if that is possible. I feel bad for the families who lost their loved ones.
Ok the Jeffrey dude is a POS period. This guy belongs in prison. NCR doesn't pertain to his case. He said he shot the guy to prove a point and make people listen? What a slap in the face to that poor man's wife and family. And he's crying now because he can't start a business? He should have thought of that before he killed that guy in cold blood. So glad I don't live in Canada with such a lax law as this one.
No they.are not crazy but they do get a monthly check from their gov don,t. they. A man kept having sex. With his daughter but he still get a.check from our gov. But his daughter works for her money to live on. WHAT ????????
Jeffrey Arenburg, the man who fatally shot CJOH sportscaster Brian Smith in the station’s Merivale Road parking lot 22 years ago, is dead. Arenburg, 60, died in Ottawa on June 13,2017 of an apparent heart attack
It seemed to me like he couldnt describe the voices he heard. Like he hadnt actually heard them and didnt know what to say
Right! I think bc he said he heard his own voice, he may have had anxiety and low self esteem combined w a miserable, unsuccessful life, felt like he deserved more and was just fckn angry. So now he's playing the victim role and loving the attention he gets.
he is a liar. these people always trying to get out of doing murders by acting insane.. and would you know , they end up getting off.. makes me so sick!!!
Spends his days on a laptop with no internet connection?
Punishment enough.
Kristina Đurek hahaha
Right? What was he even typing lol?
Kristina Đurek he could use the free wifi at the library.
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Playing solitaire or what????
While I agree that there are circumstances in which someone can genuinely be unable to effectively control their behaviour or distinguish right from wrong... but I have to wonder - doesnt that make them a higher risk to the public? like isnt it even more dangerous to set them free in under 3 years if they cant even be trusted to know at all times that non-defensive aggression and killing random people is unacceptable?
Furthermore, he said himself that he killed the guy to make a point.. meaning he knew it was wrong! Schizophrenia or not that man's motive was to capitalise on the public's (obviously negative) response to an obviously wrong crime..
Im no expert but in my book premeditation + anticipation of a negative response = knowledge that one has commited a wrongful act.
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it really depends. if they are contuing to receive treatment, and support, their meds are being monitored and taken properly, and they are receiving proper help then yes. the problem is that our system lacks the capacity to help these people until it's too late
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It's a disgrace that these lunatics are walking our streets smh. How is that justice for the victims and their loved ones?
The lack of empathy and narcissism is devastating. Mental illness is one thing, but he ruined the lives of many people and doesn't see his actions as wrong.
He knew it was wrong he said it was to prove a point ! Smh.
He also turned himself in the next day. He knew what he did was wrong, so the defence of him not knowing was BS.
Jeffrey Arenburg is clearly sick, but it's his victim mentality that causes half of it. And his last statement is truly disturbing. He basically said if he heard voices again, he may react the same way he had in the past. Those who released him, without requiring him to take his meds, and regular monitoring need to be held personally, criminally, and financially responsible for him, his actions, and all of their consequences for the rest of his life.
Don't blame the people who do these crimes blame our stupid system, I remember another video of the parents who fought with our government to get help for their boy. At the end he hanged himself.
"Insane" doesn't matter! If you're dangerous you're dangerous! Dangerous people should go to jail!
My heart breaks for the mother of those 2 babies. It’s so sad. He drank the fluid himself so he should be responsible. In the U.S. I don’t think he would have got away with this heinous crime! 💔
I dunno, it sounds like the GOP and the affluent. However, usa has those prisons for profit to fill, so, you might be right. Point I'm making, its all skewed.
@@artcflowers yes you are so right about private prisons for profit here.
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@@elaineharley5501 lol
Isn’t everyone that kills for purposes other than self defense insane or crazy? I mean, no person in their right mind or of sound mental health decides to kill an innocent person.
Chelsi Benson Excellent point.
Exactly
Exactly! Why we taking chances with people's lives
not necessarily. but then we would be on to a whole other subject regarding the spirit realm.
I don't think I would be crazy of killing Guy Turcotte, even if it is not for self defence... some bad people really need to die in this world...
The lady was right he still did it. If he could do it once he can do it again.
These people should never be let out on the street. Lock up all these crazies.
So once released, they're not monitored or anything at all...?! There should be some sort of conditions, at least. Smdh😤!
.....and thats how it works in Canada.....🤨 im speechless
If drinking that "water" made him so intoxicated that he didn't know what he was doing, then all drug and alcohol uses should walk free.
Good grief, now those are real voices he's hearing, he is a time bomb
It sounds to me that the morons that were around Jeffrey Arenburg when he was hearing those voices and not doing much but give him a little time and letting him back out are the one's who let him kill because they sat there and did not get this guy any help when alarm bells were going off
He id dangerous, look into his eyes.
NCR isn't wrong. People who are mentally ill and in a state of psychosis they don't have the capacity to understand that their action is wrong. But it is incredibly irresponsible to not have aftercare and checks. Its dangerous, these people are higher risk and if they don't continue with their medications they could commit more crimes. The safeguards of a mental facility are very different to the real world. How do they cope with day to day life in society? Do they understand that they are mentally ill? Do they understand what they did? Also where is the prevention? Why are people who are mentally ill and potentially dangerous not being treated before they are allowed to kill someone?
Lisa Ross yeah whatever but once you end someone elses life intentionally your life should also be over, life imprisonment.
Exactly, Vincent Lee is a perfect example of this, he wasn’t in control of his mental state and yeah he killed someone but he’s gotten treatment and he’s doing better so if I remember correctly he now is being released but doctors still make sure he takes his medication so that something like that doesn’t happen again. But the guy who killed his kids definitely seems like he just played the system, it’s those people who give a bad rep to other NCR cases
Mentally ill or not; murder should not be excusable under any circumstances. Even people who kill someone by accident end up having more reprecautions than this. That child killer getting off after 18 months is the most horrific thing I'd ever heard.
Excellent program!
I believe strongly that those with NCR status SHOULD, by law,
be legally ordered to see a psychiatrist on a frequent scheduled basis as part of their release rules.
If they had symptoms of a major mental health illness that they previously failed to recognize + seek treatment for them it may reoccur!
His cold angry + defensive reaction ,when just speaking to the reporter about the murder he committed in the past, + his concentration on protecting his right to make his own decision, re taking meds,- prove he has no remorse.
I believe his attitude increases the risk of him committing the same, similar, or worse crime.
We need laws to protect citizens from people like this man + every other person released after a NCR ruling.
the anger in this man they should lock him back up wow scary to think this ticking time bomb is out there
Why is everyone blaming this guy. HOW MANY TIMES did he ask for help. People need to step up and listen and help these people. Everyone dismissed what he was saying.
Blame Canada. Shame on Canada....
NCR should mean, in exchange for no jail time, you have to live with a lifetime of psychiatric monitoring, and if you have a mood disorder or some other psychiatric disorder, a panel of doctors should decide whether you should be on medication. This guy Jeff accepts no responsibility and feels no remorse whatsoever. :( Sad.
One more thing. If someone is really insane, when you send them to jail, tell them it’s Disneyland. Done deal. Then we’ll find out if they’re really nuts.
Yeah absolutely!!! I bet they will get right real quick!!!!
Nuts and dumb aren't the same thing...
That's stupid.
The doctor who murdered his children because he was going through a divorce? Nope. That was done specifically to hurt her, and for no other reason. He set out to take away from her the things she loved most in this life, because she was done with him. No effing wonder she wanted a divorce. What a sick, unstable, petty monster.
He should be sitting on death row. I do NOT believe he is as mentally out of it as he proclaims. I cannot believe the man has been released.
People this sick (the others) are a constant threat to society if they are at large. All they have to do is stop taking their medication and they become a walking time-bomb.
Aarenberg is disgusting. He isn't responsible for any of his actions.
OMG someone needs to tell him how nasty his fingers look
Joo fingers...
My husband was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. It is common when they're not being monitored for them to stop taking their meds. I KNOW PERSONALLY. Once improved these offenders should all be sent to prison and meds given there. Even mentally unstable they often manipulate others including doctors. Final destination should be prison. A great example are the Manson followers. Tho under Charlie's "spell" they were guilty and sent to prison and have not been released. The doctor in the story just was furious his wife left him. He did an "I'll show you" move and murdered his children violently. He is the worst of the worst.
What a terrible loophole. My heart breaks for the families left devastated by this law. It boils down to killing someone, saying ‘the voices made me do it’, spend a token amount of time locked up then your home free! Disgusting. I would be furious if I was one of these poor people left affected by this lose law.
The people with NCR should never be allowed to go off medication and should be monitored continuously after release.
8:35....people will avoid speaking directly about a traumatic subject. What she meant to say is "I know the difference between a gun shot and a car backfiring, and I knew someone had been shot".
For those who don’t know, Vincent Li ATE THE MAN’S FACE OFF. This is how twisted the system is.
NCR is a joke. These crazies belong in jail, or 6 ft under.
I think there is a place for NCR. i heard of a guy who wasn't on meds and he killed someone/. He had no idea later on he had and was so full of remorse. He had to be told what he had done. he was put on meds and sent to a psychiatric facility. The change in that person is remarkable and on meds he can live a very normal life.He is monitored regularly in the community and since being released has done really well. There are people who genuinely have severe mental illness at certain points in their lives and with correct medication cam function very very well. But, someone like Dr Guy Tourcotte - I don't believe he was mentally unwell at all. he had no history of it, they didn't say that in court.I think he manipulated the system and being released 18 mths later was a joke. The Canadian government hasn't got it right yet. The system needs to be amended.
It should be updated so that if you don't take your medication for psychological disorders you SHOULD be considered criminally responsible for whatever crime you commit because you allowed yourself to be in that situation. For example, a person that drinks and drives and then kills someone is still charged for manslaughter and sent to prison for their crime even though they were mentally incoherent.
Was he a recreational drug user? Drug-induced Schizophrenia, perhaps??? What's he smoking?
Somethings's very wrong with today's society.
There could also be Guilty by reason of Mental Illness. Having to report weekly to a type of parole officer, monitoring (GPS), makimg sure that the rught drugs are being taken.
Millions of people have some form of mental illness but only a small percentage kill people or commit crimes. :(
What about the victims and their families?
I also feel compelled to say that, although mentally "sick" and "evil" are 2 different things, it's not always one or the other. Sometimes it's both. A person can be both mentally ill and evil. :( Most of us, unlike the man in this story, are harmless. But some people need to be removed from the rest of society.
The Bible says 'life for life'. There are NO excuses in perfect justice.
uh - I saw this guy's long nails, then his brown finger stroking his beard and I'm out - onto the next video.
Thanks for the warning. I'm running for the hills and watching something else 👍
It's nicotine, not...the other thing
Oh my god thanks. I'm eating and gross nails is the biggest pet peeve I have. I'll literally lose my appetite
31.50 looks like he had a little accident too
Really??? That's what you took from this program??? This is why lessons are not learned.
I think they should stick with NCR but at least have a social worker or an officer check on them a few times a week.
He seems proud of killing that innocent man. He has a right to a life cause he hears voices? Yeah ok.
Am I the ONLY one who sees how eaten up with jealousy Arenberg was towards Smith who "had it all" whereas Arenberg was/is a complete loser?
He needs to be locked up.
So in a form of storing a young girl Ashley it's hitting mailman with crabapples and ended up dying in a federal prison after 4 years in custody not receiving any help segregated for years and a killer gets off what's wrong with y'all system?
I can't believe those doctors allotted Turcotte that defense. The doctor at the mental facility needs to study criminal psychology again if he hasn't already because of course Turcotte isn't a danger! He got what he wanted; he hurt his wife for leaving him in the best way he knew how. Parents who harm their children never view their children as anything more than pawns for their own selfish games. He proved that exponentially by stabbing them to spite his wife. This was all about control. If she won't stay with him, then he'll make sure she can't be happy. Sure, he's not a danger now, but wait until something like this happens again and he has leverage against someone who's wronged him. He'll do it again, and now he'll be even more callous, more manipulative because he'll think he can get away with it. He didn't harm his wife (ex) because he hurt her more this way. He should be in jail. Along with Arenburg. Arenburg knew exactly what he was doing and had a reason to do it and planned it out. People with actually mental illness due to hearing voices seek killings of opportunity, yes, but they normally don't have a clue as to the fact that it's wrong and are often manic. He wasn't manic and was very manipulative. He also shows no remorse. If he wanted the voices to stop, he should have stayed on his meds. When I was in HS, I heard voices due to the massive stress and abuse I was facing. Did it ask me to harm anyone? No. It asked me to run and this overwhelming urge to comply was there, but I ignored it until I was finally able to get out of the situation. I've never had an episode since. I sought help and I got it. If you seek help, they give you help and then you don't take it (in Arenburg's case being in the form of medication), and you do harm, that's negligence on your part and I'm sorry, you either need to be committed for life so someone can monitor you or you need to be held accountable for your actions. If you're sane when taking your meds and you KNOW you won't be when you're off them and still choose to stop taking them, then I'm sorry, you're responsible and knew exactly what you were doing and, to me, that shows premeditation.
The justice system ought to be ashamed. These maggots should fry.
20:10 OMG i wet myself laughing... That guy is a psych??!!! What is going on here!!
Who wants to live next door once these people are released? It's just a guess?
A fantastic insight into what I feel, is an unjust law.
Bob McKeown at his best once again.
It was also refreshing to read that Jeffrey Arenburg has now died. Hopefully Brian Smith's wife can find some sort of peace now.
That is a relief. We can now feel safer!
They don't deserve there freedom period.
Every single one of those cases are as bad as murder gets and we need facilities/institutions for mentally ill killers!!
Maybe are prime minister should move next door to these NCR people and see how safe he feels with his wife and children!!
I've heard voices, seen people, felt touches, etc...since I was young. I'm 50yrs old and haven't killed anyone yet.
They seem real when it's happening, but afterwards you know it wasn't. That means somewhere you know it's not true! If you follow those voices it's your choice!!!
Also, if you don't take your meds that is a choice so you are responsible for that choice.
The problem is the guy has zero remorse for what he did. If some voices in my head made me kill someone I would not be able to live with myself, but this guy has zero remorse for killing an innocent person, it's like he doesn't mind that it happened.
How do you deal with the criminally insane? I can only imagine the anguish of the families whose loved ones were killed by theses guys. Balancing the rights of the public with the rights of the insane is no easy task...
Justice and revenge are separate concepts, criminalising the mentally ill to give grieving parents someone to blame isn't justice.
If you've never suffered psychotic symptoms yourself, you may find it almost impossible to understand this stuff. I've had psychotic episodes myself, although I do not have schizophrenia. Luckily, they didn't last, and also, I was smart enough to realize they only happened when I was in a certain weird state of mind. I did get 'messages' from the tv and radio, and when that happens it is absolutely real to you. I never even told a doctor about it because I didn't realize it was a symptom - I thought it was real. I had had a nervous breakdown and did discuss my depression, anxiety and emotional pain with doctors, but I have to tell you that many psychiatrists, even when you go for help, may not believe you, may not treat you, and may misdiagnose you - that is why so many mentally ill patients end up in the criminal system. They psychiatric 'care' that people get is a fucken joke.
Nona Yobiznez having mental illness does not mean you can kill people!!!
Did you shoot someone in the head? Did you stab two children 46 times? Did you cut up and behead a young man on a bus? No. It's not having the mental illness or feeling that voices are real that's a crime. Butchering and shooting people are. None of them even tried to get help.You did. Good for you. I hope you stay healthy ! It's not easy.
Also you were not honest with the Doctor so your diagnosis is most likely not correct hallucinations are symptoms of psychosis and lean towards schizophrenia
Not Criminally Responsible needs to be erased from the law books...For public safety. Those who commit crimes should do the full time. If they need mental help send them to the proper institution, then send them to jail to finish their sentences.
Mental illness is very difficult when not treated. For some reason, voices that are heard by people with mental illness are usually degrading toward self and other negative voices. I don't know why. I've only heard of one person whose voices were positive. I'm happy for him or her. The voices still intrude and can be a nuisance. How could a person .concentrate and/or hear a person talking to you. God bless people who cope with mental health issues. May they find the correct amounts of the correct meds and so be able to cope and live. Stay on those meds.
„Taking someone’s life is still a big tabu in our society“ ... really? That‘s how u gonna put it? 🤦🏽♀️