I work 75 hours per week fixing German cars, I just came back to work right now, seated down waiting my wife bring lunch and I’m watching your video… I need a psychologist🤣 Nice job, I really appreciate your videos!👏🏼
Much respect to him for being willing to even touch this thing. I'm sure he wouldn't have if it was for a normal walk-in customer. I know that I wouldn't.
If you're a good customer they usually will. I'm in the EU, but I had a US spec VW New Beetle, tuned 2.0 from a golf 4 under the hood, custom exhausts, custom lights, paint, riding on 18" 225 wide tyres, koni yellows all around, etc etc. The local VW dealer shop was fine working on it as he knew I'm not an idiot and understand a very custom car is hard to work on for a normal licensed shop. I paid well by the hour, no book prices. Loved that car, but divorce etc and I had to sell it. Still miss the thing, custom paint silver, black roof, xeons, licked the ground, sounded like an F1 car, nice sound, tons of little extras.
@@xiukn8 Because you end up owning that work. And with something you know has a questionable history, do you want to be held accountable for issues going forward? (Easy answer.... no.)
@@raul350raptor eh that depends on if he offers a warranty on the work. That would be a huge risk to offer one on a POS like that. Especially when it doesn’t even have the right engine in it.
Johnny, it’s refreshing to see a true professional methodically work his way from a disaster to an acceptable result. Doing everything correctly, fixing all the issues and not doing a lot of unnecessary work.
If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. Thankfully Johnny is the BMW master. Thank you again Johnny for sharing your experience and knowledge. Love watching you work.
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include: -Upgraded pistons -Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy -New exhaust cams -"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar) -"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence) -HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine) -High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer -Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger -Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm) The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0.
Your really good to be able to reconize where go every bolts on the cars. It true you done many bmw too... i have difficulty to remember what people say to me 10 minutes ago somethimes.
Being an automotive mechanic is so hard these days especially when you take into consideration the pressure to get things done yesterday. One of the things that this pressure to get it done fast is the overuse of power tools especially for driving screws and bolts. Much of what is done by these power tools should really be done by hand (using manual spanners / wrenches / screwdrivers etc. ) Power tools especially in tight places causes more damage than you'd think.
Great work. I love your videos. I'm working on a 2012 750IL with less than 100K miles. It runs rough. BMW said, "That I need a new engine." But I know it's the timing chain. The tool cost over $2500. Wish me luck.
Nice job. Those old n63 engines take a lot to keep it in shape. I had dual oil catch cans to keep it from smoking. The TU was a marked improvement. But that is a real bummer that it’s not an S63.
@@W-Mode block is solid, and they like 700tq all wheels under 3k rpm; it's actually a monster, which is why people get rod issues while not paying attention to the tq curve and using basic piggyback tuners like the burger stuff instead of better tunes
@@W-Mode The N63 block is one of the strongest stock alloy blocks you will find in any modern car. If you've ever seen the bottom end of one you'd understand. It's many other components that can be a huge let-down when neglected.
It would be really interesting to trace the who, why, what, and where of this N-Engine swap. I can see a diy-er doing this maybe, but if a professional shop did this, who eee! Could be a great story to follow up on. Or, hand it to someone who does that kind of thing. 👍😎✌🗽
See I knew from the previous video that this wasn’t an s63, had me researching this chassis as well. Those intercoolers were way to small and rectangular. I suspect the badges and fenders were swapped and not the engine.
@@Kyronsk8 Metal fins on the transmission are indicative of the 6HP26S which is unique to the X5M and X6M. Doubt they swapped in an M-specific transmission but not the engine. The air intake and other engine covers is also a good tell - really don't think you'd spend the thousands in parts (filter box alone is $700+) to replace that and not just put an aftermarket intake on instead. No fog light holes means they'd have had to swap the front bumper. 4-pot Brembos on the front that are only offered on the M models (there's an M sport one in-between that are different) and it didn't start being painted in blue rather than red until the 2013 MY. Couple grand to swap those in. Correct hood. It's got the correct exhaust; N63 exhaust is dual rather than quad exit and that would be a different rear bumper and diffuser. I don't think we ever got a good view of the rear differential but that is also totally unique to the M models and not something that would be a trivial swap. Interior wise it's got the right steering wheel but potentially wrong headrests (there were a number of different seats offered), right pedals and badging. The dash is correct. In short, if this really is a non-M originally, not only did someone spend way, way more than the price differential than if they'd just bought one, but they did it to a perfectionist level on everything but the engine? That seems highly, highly unlikely
This is an easy situation to read -- it's an X6M, you can actually stick the VIN in manhiem mmr and see what he paid for it (It's not as cheap as you think). Either a shady (and savvy) customer blew the engine out and swapped it to trade it in, or more than likely a very shady wholesaler bought a cheap inop X6M, put it together as cheaply as possible (wrong engine and thrown together in a garage), and then sent it through the sale for someone to get stuck with. He probably could've arbitrated this if they caught it in the first week or two but now he's most likely just an owner stuck in a bad situation. This is why I don't buy cars from other dealers at the sale. Tons of SRT's and hellcats and manhiem and copart with regular 5.7's in them!
I'm going to guess most people in these comments (like myself) don't have access to Manheim's MMR. But I have checked the VIN myself and know it's a real X6M. And I agree with your assessment that someone tried to "fix" it as cheaply as possible.
@@Borg561 Yeah, true. Its definitely an X6M and I have a pretty good idea what he has in it after the purchase price, auction fee, transport, and then all this work. It's a HORRIBLE situation. Luckily he can offset some of the losses with youtube, and use his massive subscriber base to move it and minimize losses. If a dealer had actually bought this thing instead of him they would've been so screwed
A Confederacy of Dunces had previously worked on Hoovies BMW. Wrong engine, gash on oil line, incorrectly installed parts and gaskets; what a laundry list!
I bet Jonny goes through a lot of holy water working on BMWs and Audis every day. Wish I lived near KS to be able to take my car there - for service, or maybe just a sprinkle of that water. Cheers Jonny and crew, and thanks!
I have an X5 and some prior owner put M badges, pedals and other items in it. I ran the VIN before buying and got a BIG discount when I pointed out that it wasn't an M.
Does the engine serial # at the lower front driver side of the engine have a N63 stamp as well? That should tell you for sure what specifications the engine was built to. I’m no expert, but I think the N63/S63 share the same block, just have different internals and turbos.
The issue I see with it is with the manifolds to the turbochargers. The S63 and S63Tu use twin scroll turbocharger units with an almost “basket of snakes” style manifold that crosses over between the manifolds. The manifolds in this video when they come out below the turbochargers to me just look like the regular N63 manifolds
I did a little research n63 vs S63 did they put the turbos from the S63 on the n63? Did they swap the exhaust. I have a feeling that n63 will make somewhere in between 400 and 550.
Hey Johnny, did you suspect an N63 from your first inspection? I remember from previous videos that you wanted to get down into the vee from the start.
Just finished changing all 8 of the coils in my n63tu engine to eldor from the stock Bosch ones that came with my x5. N63 prior to technical update (hence tu) was no bueno. The hot V design and turbos sitting in the valley creates ungodly amount of heat. Cars with newer n63 and s63 iterations (after 2018) even keeps the fan running after you turn the car off to cool the engine down.
I have so many questions. Is a it just an X6 50i with a M body kit or an actual M with the N63 block? Is it only the block, and the rest (head, intake, turbo, ecu) from an M? How the stock N63 handles the extra boost? I love the idea of saving cars and all, but what do you do with this? It's atrocious, and not even the real engine. 20+k for a new engine!? I see a lot of X6 M quite clean go for around 20k and less on Autotrader right now.
Honestly I’m wondering the same as well. It just doesn’t seem reasonable to do an engine swap from an S63 to an N63 in the first place for a supposed M car, and then keep “fixing” it. I wanna believe it’s just an upbadged X6 and not an M that lost their engine in a bad swap deal.
The VIN that I pulled from Hoovie's video checks out as an X6M. Based on the bad install work, I'm guessing the engine was previously replaced by a shop that doesn't really know BMWs well and when searching for a replacement didn't know the difference between an S63 and N63 and went with the less expensive option.
Great video, and good to see the behind-the-scenes look into the engine issues... which just happened to be that the entire engine... was not the right engine. Anyway, thank you! Great video.
Tyler is well-connected. He has other go-to repair places besides Car Ninja and Wizard. There is not a better feeling when you know you can trust an auto repair shop. The longevity of my MBZ is a direct result of the excellent service of my go-to repair shop.
Engine block is the same on s63 and N63. S63 produces 555 HP and N63 408 HP so...it's a big difference but it might hold the power without any problems. Car can drive just fine as is...of course that was a heck job but now runs and drives. Well done 👏
Does BMW see this VIN as a true 'M' car (gearbox is different, Diff is different), or is that little m badge just an options kit? My old diesel X5 has this same badge, and accoding to the books all it means is a different dash cluster display and a couple of other minor trim items. Mechanicals are same as all the rest.
I really like how well the videos are edited, feels like I’m watching a tv show! Hats off to you! Glad you and wizard are having good success from Hoovie!
I got hooked on the both collaboration or ninja and hooves garage eps porsche cayenne motor swap I bought one my self ! Now need help with motor swapping information 🙄
For 2012, some four years after initial versions were first fitted to production vehicles, the first technological update for the N63 was put into manufacturing, destined for 2013 model year BMWs. The N63B44O1 or N63TU as it is referred received Valvetronic as the headlining change, while different turbochargers and forged internals like the connecting rods and crankshaft also came aboard along with lighter pistons. The blowoff valve was deleted as it is not necessary in a Valvetronic-equipped engine, an oil catch can was added to the lubrication system, and an additional, secondary coolant pump was integrated. Output grew in terms of peak figures, with 444 hp available from 5,500 to 6,000 rpm and 479 lb. ft. of torque from 2,000 to 4,500. Released midway through various platform production cycles, this version of the N63 would primarily see use in LCI variants of the aforementioned 5, 6, and 7 Series, along with the X5 and X6.
Problem with buying a once very expensive vehicle is exactly this; unscrupulous owners/dealers swapping out parts and in this case a real M engine with a regular engine. I hate dishonest people.
I watched the other video so I know the whole car was built quickly and badly to screw somebody and make quick money. Just wondering if he decided to fix it as is or scrap it. Have to look and see if you have any updates since this was posted.
Is this engine considered a hot "V" configuration, when you were removing the down pipes/ converters the location up top seems problematic excessive heat is usually the death of most engines but it's just my observation.
As soon as he showed the yellow salvage yard scribble on the engine in the previous video, I realized by the accessories it was a non-M engine. An owner somewhere along the way clearly blew the original engine and had to cheap out. Very sad. It would be interesting to see if a salvage S63 is out there to swap and sell this now well sorted N63.
Do you charge this Hoovie fellow a inconvenience fee like if someone else has done a shoddy repair and it takes you twice the time to correct? Love your work !
So if the engine is a N63 vs S63 would it have the same specifications like compression ratio, etc? Would the S63 DME, and associated electronics, be fully compatible? It seems like maybe it was a short block replacement but just curious if it will ever run properly. I learned pretty early on with my junkyard trips that a little Dot 3 brake fluid will remove that yellow paint the yards slap on parts for identification. ;-)
The S63 has a lot of changes compared to the N63. Crankshaft, Pistons, laser honed cylinders with different coating and so on. They have the same base specifications in terms of bore and stroke and the engine will run quite a while with this setup, but not for long. Especially not for long if you threat it like a proper M car.
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include: -Upgraded pistons -Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy -New exhaust cams -"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar) -"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence) -HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine) -High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer -Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger -Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm) The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0
I have the same car with the fault " misfire cylinder 6" I put new spark plugs and coil and it is the same. I changed the injector 6 with the injector 4 and the fault stays on cylinder 6. When I clear the fault the car runs well. But when the check engine is on the car is smoking white and rough idle and sometimes bad start. What could be?
Love the video and the content, but I'm not seeing anyone else writing about the audio issues... hope they get worked out, it drove me nuts trying to listen to Jonny with the buzz issues- maybe use the on-board mic?
@@realcarninja but im sure owner pays you for that, and it takes couple minutes to check what is cousing major problem with this engine. If its just simple coild or no compression. If its worth repairing or not
The biggest sign and its early in the video is that the exhaust manifolds are not S63. The S63 look like a spider, and interconnect both heads into both turbos, whereas the N63 has it's own manifold for its respective bank.
Other one (S63) goes in an expensive M car, X6M in this case. Other one (N63) is put in to the normal X6 N-series engines are used in normal BMW's and S-series engines are in the M cars. S63 engine has more power, is more expensive etc. compared to N63
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include: -Upgraded pistons -Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy -New exhaust cams -"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar) -"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence) -HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine) -High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer -Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger -Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm) The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0
@@onlyhuman7420Thank you, that’s a very thorough answer. I’m assuming you didn’t just know that off the top of your head. I assumed it was upgraded internals only. With all of those exhaust flow differences and such I’m surprised Jonny didn’t notice the difference until he saw the casting. Maybe that was just his way to clearly show the difference rather that show every single difference. He did however show quite a few flaws in the workmanship of the previous techs.
Good question I would also like to know, my guess would be there would be some enhancements done to the S63 like better lubrication systems, strenghtened engine components due to high perfomance, better heat dissapation methods etc. Im not saying this is the case but im taking a guess.
I new ninja was Albanian just noticed the flags best mechanic come from the baulkins urime success vllahu wish nothing but success for this guy great channel and keep up the good videos
I think its cool that its tylers car but ninja can make cool video off of it. I love seeing the partnership between other content creators. Keep up the great work!
I just don’t fully understand this, is this an X6M with a replaced N63 in? Or originally a regular X6? There is no way to tell right when you open the hood if this an S engine? If the PCV valves were bought before to know it was an N63, would not them not fit? Also it has the tach of an M car. That block shown on video could be the same used for the S63? Would be cool to see the engine number and compare it to registration paperwork. Would love to see more about this car, the whole situation is weird!
@@Fabulousprofound168 That answers the question about whether the chassis is a real X6M (I've run the VIN and it is). The issue is the replacement engine. Sounds like the N63 and S63 share a block, so that stamping would be the same. The exhaust manifolds that the turbos mount to appear to be from an N63 so it's likely the wrong engine was installed when it was replaced.
Can you tell us whats t'he difference, talking about performance, with that car using a N63 engine? I mean, the turbos and other externals are from a M car i guess?
Wow, he got scammed. I don't see how that's going to get running right without also getting the tune correct for the n63 engine, or replace the engine with the correct s63.
Someone posted that running the VIN verified it is an OEM X6M with the wrong engine. Someome replaced the original S63 with a N63 (probably from sticker shock when confronted with the need for a replacement engine) and some mechanic did a hack job installing the N63 to add insult to injury. Bottom line, the N63 has 155 less HPs and 50 less torque. Tuning this turd will only result in another blown engine. Without the S63, the badging is now deceptive. The car is worth a lot less with the N63. It cannot compete with X6M cars with a correct S63 engine. Tyler cannot sell the car the same way he bought it. I'd say Tyler is taking a haircut on this BMW hooptie (10K less due to a replacement N63 + Ninja repair bill). And, Tyler might be going further in the negative if he decides on more repair costs to sort out the bad suspension.
Tyler puts some real effort in to finding the worst possible examples of a given car.
This is going to be a huge mess to repair.and this is why BMW don’t hold good value
I like watching these hoopties get put back together a lot more than 150k Italian cars
Which I really like, it shows a reality too many people are not aware of.
@@maximeparent3004 you think so? 99% of buyers of cheaper-than-cheap-cars still think it should be in a pristine condition.
Trust me, there are no good examples of the X6M
I work 75 hours per week fixing German cars, I just came back to work right now, seated down waiting my wife bring lunch and I’m watching your video… I need a psychologist🤣
Nice job, I really appreciate your videos!👏🏼
Genau
Watching Jonny correct the mistakes made by Bob's Plumbing Pastries and BMW Repair. LOL. Great job Jonny!
The knowledge and integrity and work ethic on display… so impressive.
I love the videos about these abused machines, keep ‘em coming
Does Bob use a screwdriver to stuff his pastry bags? 😅😂😅😂
How many times did Jonny say “why” love this stuff. N63 motor, what number should it have been to be an M car?
@@jimamizzi1 There should be an "S" as third character in the VIN as well as an S-code engine instead of M or N.
This one has to rank up there in Tyler’s turd hall of fame.
I agree
Oh, yes indeed.
We are all watching Car Ninja now on top of Hoovies channel, mission accomplished.
Tyler is a smart man.
@@schwags1969 shame on you, if you weren't already watching ninja's channel
"Turd Hall of Fame" That's a good one!
Is it just me or did the video go dark?
Much respect to him for being willing to even touch this thing. I'm sure he wouldn't have if it was for a normal walk-in customer. I know that I wouldn't.
If you're a good customer they usually will. I'm in the EU, but I had a US spec VW New Beetle, tuned 2.0 from a golf 4 under the hood, custom exhausts, custom lights, paint, riding on 18" 225 wide tyres, koni yellows all around, etc etc. The local VW dealer shop was fine working on it as he knew I'm not an idiot and understand a very custom car is hard to work on for a normal licensed shop. I paid well by the hour, no book prices. Loved that car, but divorce etc and I had to sell it. Still miss the thing, custom paint silver, black roof, xeons, licked the ground, sounded like an F1 car, nice sound, tons of little extras.
Why not? Car like every other, job like every other. Costumer pays so he repairs
@@xiukn8 Because you end up owning that work. And with something you know has a questionable history, do you want to be held accountable for issues going forward? (Easy answer.... no.)
He’s not the Wizard, if you pay he works on it as long as its the type of car he specializes in.
@@raul350raptor eh that depends on if he offers a warranty on the work. That would be a huge risk to offer one on a POS like that. Especially when it doesn’t even have the right engine in it.
Johnny, it’s refreshing to see a true professional methodically work his way from a disaster to an acceptable result. Doing everything correctly, fixing all the issues and not doing a lot of unnecessary work.
If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. Thankfully Johnny is the BMW master. Thank you again Johnny for sharing your experience and knowledge. Love watching you work.
well, then no one would ever learn right? The issue here is they let it go like that instead of correcting their mistakes.
I think you mean you're going to mess up mess up on your own car I butchered my first E46 which caused me to learn how to do it properly
@@TwoDollarGararge yep same with my legacy rs made alot of mistakes but thats how you learn im fairly confident working on any subaru now.
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include:
-Upgraded pistons
-Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy
-New exhaust cams
-"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar)
-"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence)
-HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine)
-High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer
-Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger
-Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm)
The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0.
So the issue is that the lower spec engine components are now taking the boost of the higher spec engine - so could easily grenade
from X6M to X6 m-sport.
Best comment 😅😅😅
What if black is same for both and has n63 stamp.
The M stands for Miserable
Next thing you know Tyler's gonna put a tune on it to get close to the X6M's power and hopefully break it again. 😆
I would think computer tune would be drastically different. Probably overboost turbo at least. dont think it would run right thats the wrong car lol
Always a pleasure to watch a professional at work. Thanks for the video.
Your really good to be able to reconize where go every bolts on the cars. It true you done many bmw too... i have difficulty to remember what people say to me 10 minutes ago somethimes.
Being an automotive mechanic is so hard these days especially when you take into consideration the pressure to get things done yesterday. One of the things that this pressure to get it done fast is the overuse of power tools especially for driving screws and bolts. Much of what is done by these power tools should really be done by hand (using manual spanners / wrenches / screwdrivers etc. ) Power tools especially in tight places causes more damage than you'd think.
It's the positive attitude, and determination to just get on with out that I really like about Jonny and his team. That was great !
Or it could be big paycheck he is about to get too lol
@@ricky_ricardo Yes, there's always that !
Great work. I love your videos. I'm working on a 2012 750IL with less than 100K miles. It runs rough. BMW said, "That I need a new engine." But I know it's the timing chain. The tool cost over $2500. Wish me luck.
Nice job. Those old n63 engines take a lot to keep it in shape. I had dual oil catch cans to keep it from smoking. The TU was a marked improvement. But that is a real bummer that it’s not an S63.
The block is dogsh** , poor engineer
Until 2018 they fix the issues
@@W-Mode block is solid, and they like 700tq all wheels under 3k rpm; it's actually a monster, which is why people get rod issues while not paying attention to the tq curve and using basic piggyback tuners like the burger stuff instead of better tunes
@@W-Mode The N63 block is one of the strongest stock alloy blocks you will find in any modern car. If you've ever seen the bottom end of one you'd understand. It's many other components that can be a huge let-down when neglected.
@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX so basically the G chassis they fixed the issue right
Don't they have 3 technical updates for the n63 😮 the " hot turbo " layout sounds nasty
You can tell how much care and attention to detail the previous shop made to put this thing back together
It would be really interesting to trace the who, why, what, and where of this N-Engine swap. I can see a
diy-er doing this maybe, but if a professional shop did this, who eee! Could be a great story to follow up on. Or, hand it to someone who does that kind of thing. 👍😎✌🗽
See I knew from the previous video that this wasn’t an s63, had me researching this chassis as well. Those intercoolers were way to small and rectangular. I suspect the badges and fenders were swapped and not the engine.
@@Kyronsk8 you might be right. Only real way to know is search up the vin
@@Kyronsk8 Metal fins on the transmission are indicative of the 6HP26S which is unique to the X5M and X6M. Doubt they swapped in an M-specific transmission but not the engine.
The air intake and other engine covers is also a good tell - really don't think you'd spend the thousands in parts (filter box alone is $700+) to replace that and not just put an aftermarket intake on instead.
No fog light holes means they'd have had to swap the front bumper.
4-pot Brembos on the front that are only offered on the M models (there's an M sport one in-between that are different) and it didn't start being painted in blue rather than red until the 2013 MY. Couple grand to swap those in.
Correct hood.
It's got the correct exhaust; N63 exhaust is dual rather than quad exit and that would be a different rear bumper and diffuser.
I don't think we ever got a good view of the rear differential but that is also totally unique to the M models and not something that would be a trivial swap.
Interior wise it's got the right steering wheel but potentially wrong headrests (there were a number of different seats offered), right pedals and badging. The dash is correct.
In short, if this really is a non-M originally, not only did someone spend way, way more than the price differential than if they'd just bought one, but they did it to a perfectionist level on everything but the engine? That seems highly, highly unlikely
@@Kyronsk8 If the VIN I pulled from Hoovies video is correct, which I'm 99% sure it is, it checks out as an X6M.
Some one swapped the motor for sale probably had cash left for a junk n63
This is an easy situation to read -- it's an X6M, you can actually stick the VIN in manhiem mmr and see what he paid for it (It's not as cheap as you think). Either a shady (and savvy) customer blew the engine out and swapped it to trade it in, or more than likely a very shady wholesaler bought a cheap inop X6M, put it together as cheaply as possible (wrong engine and thrown together in a garage), and then sent it through the sale for someone to get stuck with. He probably could've arbitrated this if they caught it in the first week or two but now he's most likely just an owner stuck in a bad situation. This is why I don't buy cars from other dealers at the sale. Tons of SRT's and hellcats and manhiem and copart with regular 5.7's in them!
I'm going to guess most people in these comments (like myself) don't have access to Manheim's MMR. But I have checked the VIN myself and know it's a real X6M. And I agree with your assessment that someone tried to "fix" it as cheaply as possible.
@@Borg561 Yeah, true. Its definitely an X6M and I have a pretty good idea what he has in it after the purchase price, auction fee, transport, and then all this work. It's a HORRIBLE situation. Luckily he can offset some of the losses with youtube, and use his massive subscriber base to move it and minimize losses. If a dealer had actually bought this thing instead of him they would've been so screwed
The depth of your knowledge is NINJA LIKE……i am impressed. I learned my lesson with a turbo BMW CSL, my one and only BMW I might add.😊
Great video please ninja can you link the pocket flash light you use? Thank You
A Confederacy of Dunces had previously worked on Hoovies BMW. Wrong engine, gash on oil line, incorrectly installed parts and gaskets; what a laundry list!
I understood that reference
I bet Jonny goes through a lot of holy water working on BMWs and Audis every day. Wish I lived near KS to be able to take my car there - for service, or maybe just a sprinkle of that water. Cheers Jonny and crew, and thanks!
I had to rewind when you said $21k. I had to check I heard that right 🤣
I have an X5 and some prior owner put M badges, pedals and other items in it. I ran the VIN before buying and got a BIG discount when I pointed out that it wasn't an M.
Does the engine serial # at the lower front driver side of the engine have a N63 stamp as well? That should tell you for sure what specifications the engine was built to. I’m no expert, but I think the N63/S63 share the same block, just have different internals and turbos.
The issue I see with it is with the manifolds to the turbochargers. The S63 and S63Tu use twin scroll turbocharger units with an almost “basket of snakes” style manifold that crosses over between the manifolds. The manifolds in this video when they come out below the turbochargers to me just look like the regular N63 manifolds
I love my M12 impact! I can see that you like it too. Makes life so much easier. I use it as much as anything in my toolbox.
I would just throw the vehicle away. Has all the unreliability of an M vehicle without the M engine, power, and performance.
If he does, I'll take it. To be clear, I wouldn't pay anything for it though.
@@jonell1425 Shall we start bidding now for Hoovies "throw aways"?? ;-)
I did a little research n63 vs S63 did they put the turbos from the S63 on the n63? Did they swap the exhaust. I have a feeling that n63 will make somewhere in between 400 and 550.
Just by looking at engine when you open hood you should be able to tell difference from s63 to N63
Hey Johnny, did you suspect an N63 from your first inspection? I remember from previous videos that you wanted to get down into the vee from the start.
Just finished changing all 8 of the coils in my n63tu engine to eldor from the stock Bosch ones that came with my x5. N63 prior to technical update (hence tu) was no bueno. The hot V design and turbos sitting in the valley creates ungodly amount of heat. Cars with newer n63 and s63 iterations (after 2018) even keeps the fan running after you turn the car off to cool the engine down.
Hearing Ninja Giggle and others stupidity brings a smile to face!
I have so many questions. Is a it just an X6 50i with a M body kit or an actual M with the N63 block? Is it only the block, and the rest (head, intake, turbo, ecu) from an M? How the stock N63 handles the extra boost? I love the idea of saving cars and all, but what do you do with this? It's atrocious, and not even the real engine. 20+k for a new engine!? I see a lot of X6 M quite clean go for around 20k and less on Autotrader right now.
I’m wondering the same.
Honestly I’m wondering the same as well. It just doesn’t seem reasonable to do an engine swap from an S63 to an N63 in the first place for a supposed M car, and then keep “fixing” it. I wanna believe it’s just an upbadged X6 and not an M that lost their engine in a bad swap deal.
I wonder also, who on earth retrofits an n63 into s63 car
@@rexpontiusfulmaybe someone shady that could make some money by switching them out. Customer would never know.
The VIN that I pulled from Hoovie's video checks out as an X6M. Based on the bad install work, I'm guessing the engine was previously replaced by a shop that doesn't really know BMWs well and when searching for a replacement didn't know the difference between an S63 and N63 and went with the less expensive option.
Great video, and good to see the behind-the-scenes look into the engine issues... which just happened to be that the entire engine... was not the right engine. Anyway, thank you! Great video.
Good to see we still have people that care and make a bad job good
Bro.
Tyler is so lucky to find not one freaking kick ass mechanic but two.
Tyler is well-connected. He has other go-to repair places besides Car Ninja and Wizard. There is not a better feeling when you know you can trust an auto repair shop. The longevity of my MBZ is a direct result of the excellent service of my go-to repair shop.
Great work as always I need to ship my 08 bmw 750iL down their for repairs any options?
Engine block is the same on s63 and N63. S63 produces 555 HP and N63 408 HP so...it's a big difference but it might hold the power without any problems. Car can drive just fine as is...of course that was a heck job but now runs and drives. Well done 👏
But with only the n63 block and s63 turbos and accessories (injectors, pumps ecc) the final power will be very similar to a stock s63?
Does BMW see this VIN as a true 'M' car (gearbox is different, Diff is different), or is that little m badge just an options kit? My old diesel X5 has this same badge, and accoding to the books all it means is a different dash cluster display and a couple of other minor trim items. Mechanicals are same as all the rest.
I really like how well the videos are edited, feels like I’m watching a tv show! Hats off to you! Glad you and wizard are having good success from Hoovie!
4:22 that's the Exxon Valdez!
6:17 so the N63 has less performance then M63?
12:40 how to properly season your exhaust manifolds.
I got hooked on the both collaboration or ninja and hooves garage eps porsche cayenne motor swap I bought one my self ! Now need help with motor swapping information 🙄
An honest, sincere, thoroughly knowledgeable mechanic with high moral/business standards, why all the way out in Kansas? We need you in WA State!
yikes!! hats off to anyone willing to work on these ridiculously complicated maintenance nightmare jigsaw puzzles, who "designs" this stuff!?
I havent seen an S63 but I have an N63. Are the two engines that similar looking that the Ninja didn't notice right off the bat?
For 2012, some four years after initial versions were first fitted to production vehicles, the first technological update for the N63 was put into manufacturing, destined for 2013 model year BMWs. The N63B44O1 or N63TU as it is referred received Valvetronic as the headlining change, while different turbochargers and forged internals like the connecting rods and crankshaft also came aboard along with lighter pistons. The blowoff valve was deleted as it is not necessary in a Valvetronic-equipped engine, an oil catch can was added to the lubrication system, and an additional, secondary coolant pump was integrated. Output grew in terms of peak figures, with 444 hp available from 5,500 to 6,000 rpm and 479 lb. ft. of torque from 2,000 to 4,500. Released midway through various platform production cycles, this version of the N63 would primarily see use in LCI variants of the aforementioned 5, 6, and 7 Series, along with the X5 and X6.
WOW. Question if the engine is different how come engine computer is working with wrong engine or it doesn’t matter. Please advise.
Coming along nicely. Even though was the wrong motor can still be fixed !
You rock Man ! nice video
It's always a privilidge to watch a master at work! Thank you :)
Anyone else hearing high frequency noise through the video?
Unfortunately our wireless system was picking up interference that we didn't catch when recording. Sorry.
@@realcarninja That was the sound of Jonny gnashing his teeth...
Nope, I'm a mechanic with tinnitus
Problem with buying a once very expensive vehicle is exactly this; unscrupulous owners/dealers swapping out parts and in this case a real M engine with a regular engine. I hate dishonest people.
I watched the other video so I know the whole car was built quickly and badly to screw somebody and make quick money. Just wondering if he decided to fix it as is or scrap it. Have to look and see if you have any updates since this was posted.
Is this engine considered a hot "V" configuration, when you were removing the down pipes/ converters the location up top seems problematic excessive heat is usually the death of most engines but it's just my observation.
As soon as he showed the yellow salvage yard scribble on the engine in the previous video, I realized by the accessories it was a non-M engine. An owner somewhere along the way clearly blew the original engine and had to cheap out. Very sad. It would be interesting to see if a salvage S63 is out there to swap and sell this now well sorted N63.
Dam.. very good job thank you for showing what was incorrect and fixing correctly.
Can you explain to us what the power and torque differences are between the N63 engine and what the factory M engine is?
Do you charge this Hoovie fellow a inconvenience fee like if someone else has done a shoddy repair and it takes you twice the time to correct? Love your work !
I wouldn't trust a single thing that's been done in that engine compartment before Car Ninja got his hands on the car. Not a single thing.
So if the engine is a N63 vs S63 would it have the same specifications like compression ratio, etc? Would the S63 DME, and associated electronics, be fully compatible? It seems like maybe it was a short block replacement but just curious if it will ever run properly. I learned pretty early on with my junkyard trips that a little Dot 3 brake fluid will remove that yellow paint the yards slap on parts for identification. ;-)
I was thinking the same thing, it’s weird
The S63 has a lot of changes compared to the N63. Crankshaft, Pistons, laser honed cylinders with different coating and so on. They have the same base specifications in terms of bore and stroke and the engine will run quite a while with this setup, but not for long. Especially not for long if you threat it like a proper M car.
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include:
-Upgraded pistons
-Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy
-New exhaust cams
-"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar)
-"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence)
-HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine)
-High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer
-Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger
-Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm)
The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0
Where / what hose clamps do u use? Tylers new model is a NM x6...non "M" , these are very rare, probably get 2-3 million at Barret jackson.
Seen one around fresno were I stay and it's a pretty nice car when it has a nice exhaust to hear the v8 and some nice rims.
These have been the best Ninja videos in a while, just wondering how that car will run with the wrong engine?
Great job!
So you tighten everything with an impact in the usa? Even hose clamps 😮
@CarNinja when is the Car Ninja merch dropping?
Correct me when am wrong, if I see you working on motor it’s easy to work on it?
Before I started watching Ninja, I was looking at buying a BMW. Now BMW on my no go list.
Great Presentation - Hope your channel grows !
I Hope Tyler says - address the short-falls and Created the only "NON-M" X6 out there - and does a TV Show around the car...
I have the same car with the fault " misfire cylinder 6" I put new spark plugs and coil and it is the same. I changed the injector 6 with the injector 4 and the fault stays on cylinder 6. When I clear the fault the car runs well. But when the check engine is on the car is smoking white and rough idle and sometimes bad start.
What could be?
Thick white smoke coming out of the exhaust typically indicates a blown head gasket, a crack in the head, or a crack in the engine block
Good video and a warning when buying stuff. People do create frauds and that just destroys the value and spirit of a classic car. Complex beast.
Why not take a look on the VIN sticker who is located on the bottom on the C pillar on the driver side and see what kind of X6 it is....
Someone else not me has done that and apparently the body checks out, it's the engine that doesn't!
If it is an N63 how does it work with S63 ECU. Shouldn't it throw a bunch of codes?
Thanks Car Ninja for sharing. Watching your videos has convinced me to stay far, far away from BMWs in my future.
So was the engine V acting like a little oil sump for the turbo return oil? Once it filled up to the hole it would just drain back?
Is he putting s63 parts onto the n63? And are they 100% plug and play and by that I mean fitment wise?
Love the video and the content, but I'm not seeing anyone else writing about the audio issues... hope they get worked out, it drove me nuts trying to listen to Jonny with the buzz issues- maybe use the on-board mic?
How long it takes to check compression? Swap plugs or coils? Even swaping injector shouldnt take long
Time equals money.
@@realcarninja but im sure owner pays you for that, and it takes couple minutes to check what is cousing major problem with this engine. If its just simple coild or no compression. If its worth repairing or not
I would consider using some latex gloves when handling oil - it’s carcinogenic (yes, through skin contact as well.).
The biggest sign and its early in the video is that the exhaust manifolds are not S63. The S63 look like a spider, and interconnect both heads into both turbos, whereas the N63 has it's own manifold for its respective bank.
What is the big difference in the N63 & S63 engines. Please pardon my ignorance.
Other one (S63) goes in an expensive M car, X6M in this case. Other one (N63) is put in to the normal X6
N-series engines are used in normal BMW's and S-series engines are in the M cars.
S63 engine has more power, is more expensive etc. compared to N63
The S63 shares its engine block and basic mechanical configuration with the standard production N63 V8 engine. In addition, both engines share an overall displacement of 4,395cc (via a bore of 89mm and a stoke of 88.3mm) and a number of internal components, including the crankshaft, intake cams, double VANOS variable valve control, high-pressure direct injection system, and Motronic MSD85.1 engine management system. However, BMW M performed significant modifications to many aspects of the S63 motor. These include:
-Upgraded pistons
-Revised cylinder heads made from high-grade alloy
-New exhaust cams
-"Twin-Sroll" turbocharging (two paths or "scrolls" to each turbine) with 1.2 bar of maximum boost pressure (N63: 0.8 bar)
-"Cross-over" exhaust manifold (both cylinder banks connected in sequence)
-HIgh-flow air intake system mounted to the body (N63: mounted to the engine)
-High-flow exhaust system with enlarged front pipes, intermediate pipes and rear silencer
-Revised cooling system with larger oil cooler, longer intercooler, additional intercooler heat exchanger
-Maximum engine speed increased to 6,800 rpm (N63: 6,500 rpm)
The S63 B44O0 is rated at 555 hp (DIN/SAE) @ 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft of torque @ 1,500-5,650 rpm. This represents an increase of 155 hp & 50 lb-ft of torque over the standard N63 B44O0
@@onlyhuman7420Thank you, that’s a very thorough answer. I’m assuming you didn’t just know that off the top of your head.
I assumed it was upgraded internals only. With all of those exhaust flow differences and such I’m surprised Jonny didn’t notice the difference until he saw the casting. Maybe that was just his way to clearly show the difference rather that show every single difference. He did however show quite a few flaws in the workmanship of the previous techs.
Good question I would also like to know, my guess would be there would be some enhancements done to the S63 like better lubrication systems, strenghtened engine components due to high perfomance, better heat dissapation methods etc. Im not saying this is the case but im taking a guess.
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Do you go back and torque those bolts? Or does your impact have a setting? I'm curious about that.
All torqued to 2 ugga duggas
Aren’t they (s63 and n63) have the same engine blocks? I though both have n63 block.
I think its cool that its tylers car but ninja can make cool video off of it. I love seeing the partnership between other content creators. Keep up the great work!
Dang is that a merkur xr4ti in the intro? I had one when I was 16, it was a fun car.
I just don’t fully understand this, is this an X6M with a replaced N63 in? Or originally a regular X6? There is no way to tell right when you open the hood if this an S engine? If the PCV valves were bought before to know it was an N63, would not them not fit? Also it has the tach of an M car. That block shown on video could be the same used for the S63? Would be cool to see the engine number and compare it to registration paperwork. Would love to see more about this car, the whole situation is weird!
Would running the VIN answer this dilemma?
@@Fabulousprofound168 I believe so
@@Fabulousprofound168 That answers the question about whether the chassis is a real X6M (I've run the VIN and it is). The issue is the replacement engine. Sounds like the N63 and S63 share a block, so that stamping would be the same. The exhaust manifolds that the turbos mount to appear to be from an N63 so it's likely the wrong engine was installed when it was replaced.
Can you tell us whats t'he difference, talking about performance, with that car using a N63 engine? I mean, the turbos and other externals are from a M car i guess?
Does this have the CCM for the turbos, or just normal manifolds?
_FMG_
Wow, he got scammed. I don't see how that's going to get running right without also getting the tune correct for the n63 engine, or replace the engine with the correct s63.
"tyler was looking for a turd. he got one." lmao!!!
How do you get oem bolts for everything? Can't imagine that's easy lol
BMW or "Bring My Wallet", $21,000 for a new engine, wow, great job Jonny!!
BM Trouble You.....
B m w mechanics will never be out of a job. Any of these obviously will likely be be an endless money pit
True. There's a reason BMW mechanics make a ton of money lol. I have no doubt Johnny is making a killing every month fixing these cars
"Maybe it's an oiling issue. Is the engine getting enough oil?" 4:23 Yes
Always so informative !
But is this actually an OEM x6m? Did someone just put a n63 when the s63 blew up or is it an x6 50i with x6m fenders/bumpers?
Someone posted that running the VIN verified it is an OEM X6M with the wrong engine. Someome replaced the original S63 with a N63 (probably from sticker shock when confronted with the need for a replacement engine) and some mechanic did a hack job installing the N63 to add insult to injury. Bottom line, the N63 has 155 less HPs and 50 less torque. Tuning this turd will only result in another blown engine. Without the S63, the badging is now deceptive. The car is worth a lot less with the N63. It cannot compete with X6M cars with a correct S63 engine. Tyler cannot sell the car the same way he bought it. I'd say Tyler is taking a haircut on this BMW hooptie (10K less due to a replacement N63 + Ninja repair bill). And, Tyler might be going further in the negative if he decides on more repair costs to sort out the bad suspension.
What about a rebuilt S63? Seen some online for 10k or less.
What's up with the paint?