When Fiat Made A Car with Ferrari V6 Engine! Fiat Dino Coupe
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- It was the most mismatched collaboration ever.. Fiat made a car with a Ferrari V6 race derived engine!! The 2L V6 engined Fiat Dino Coupe brought together a utilitarian car maker and a supercar manufacturer. Was it a recipe for success or did it spell disaster?
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How uncanny. Back in 71 ,I went to France with a friend on a motorcycle tour with an Ariel square 4. We had an accident at a junction where a pickup pulled into our path and wrecked the front of the bike. Fortunately a fellow biker saw the incident and helped us by letting us stay at his apartment which he was refurbishing for his marital home nearby. The use of his garage for imported parts for repairs was very decent of him. Where I had to straighten the frame, forks and replace front wheel assembly .In the process we ran out of funds ,but incredibly I made some 45f by repainting his dads white Fiat Dino (which was my trade)after which he gave us a tour of Paris. Which enabled us to continue our extended trip around France. Thanks for a great memory of an awesome machine.
that is the basis of a great film
@fipzav8641 i was just going to say this. I personally have no interest in the fast and the furious. A true motorhead movie would be like this: the open road, good friends, good machines, and the speedbumps experienced along the way. Thats what being a motorhead is all about imo
🙏 you all for👍. We started with two weeks and ended up with a month.The trip turned into a more adventurous story having left Paris and driven over the freezing alps to Grenoble sur Gap and on to various camp sites and towns to St Michel and St Tropez. I still have the photos of me eating grapes from the fields and picking fresh corn cobs. A great fortuitous journey recalled 50 years on because of a historically great car . Sadly have lost touch with my companion.
Adventure, especially on motorcycles, makes for an interesting life few would ever experience. I spent 18 months travelling around Australia (2.5 laps) on my cruiser road bike, with 100kg of gear tied down on it.. everything needed to live on the road for extended periods. You meet truly good people and have memories to last two lifetimes.
Wow, that's very cool...
Giugiaro created so many masterpiece designs.. I'm continually in awe of what all he came up with.
Amazing car. When wheeler dealers had one and changed the orange carpets I was crying. Beautiful
20 years ago I bought one of these for under 20k€, the interior wasn't great. It was an early 2.0 engine gone over by Moser Racing in Vienna (original Abarth distributors).
It was an absolute screamer, probably closer to 180hp Ferrari claimed.
I had the seats done and put some effort into wiring and under bonnet area.
The only car I've ever sold for a net profit, when I needed a down payment for an apartment.
The new owner takes it to Ennstal Classic every year so I still see it.
Cool story. With all the work done on your car, did it improve low end power compared to Jack's 100 point example? This car looks even better in person.
@oregongaper At the time of me buying it, the engine work had already been done, at considerable costs compared to what the car was worth back then.
The previous owner wasn't happy with the power and had instructed Mr. Moser senior (he had been one of Jochen Rindts mechanics) to build him the most powerful engine possible.
Mr. Moser obliged and installed a lightened flywheel, lumpier competition cams, lightened internals, it was ported and polished, bigger jets in the carburettors and a competition clutch.
Low down there wasn't much, but it flew up the rev range and came alive above 3.500.
The previous owner didn't like how it drove after the modifications. Stalling it with the fierce clutch was quite easy, and at cold starts it sounded quite rough, so I managed to buy it for basically a bit more than the modifications cost.
The current owner has had the engine detuned somewhat, with standard cams, flywheel and clutch.
@uesnizburunuz.f1gpformulauno it was actually 1.988 litre engine to comply with Italian tax laws. But always marketed as Fiat Dino 2000 so as a 2.0l.
In my humble opinion, one of the most beautiful designed cars to ever exist, would love to own one.
I owned one in the late 90s and through to the mid noughties. Special cars.
Dont forget the Aston Matin DBS
First Fiat I would actually pay money for. Simply gorgeous, and what a sound!
Check out the 130 Coupe and that will be your second!
I don't know how it sounds in the cabin, this dude complained about it but it sure did sound glorious when filmed from the outside.
@@AxLWake I guess it's that forward-facing airbox design, I suppose it doesn't direct the sound into the cabin as much as a usual filter (or mesh screen!) on a Weber carb without an enclosure.
There are plenty of FIATs from this era that go and drive much better that the competition, but many not pretty and rotted very rapidly in a damp climate. The twin cam engine was wonderful.
I rather like all the Fiats from the 60s and 70s, the little 850 coupe is a fave as is the 124 sport coupe. I had a yellow CC 1800 and it was very nice indeed.
Lovely looking car
This has to be one of the most gorgeous Italian classics I have ever seen especially in this color. Hard to believe it's only a 2 liter. Sounds lovely too, in my opinion. Great video!
It grew to 2.4L by '69.
How stupid, why is he complaining about the noise? This engine sounds mind blowing beautiful
The car needs a turbocharger Like Turbo May in Ford V6
Greenhouse visibility seems fantastic in there too. A beautiful car. ❤️
Looking at the car again in this video, you can see a few areas where Ford may have been "inspired" by as they designed the original Capri.
I see an opel Manta A when I look at this front
@@alphatrion100 True! My family used to have a couple of those. I definitely have fond memories of them.
@@alphatrion100 Yep, I really liked the original Manta, they said at the time it was like a baby Aston, but it sure resembles the Bertone shape... Who penned the Opel I wonder?
Right, but the front grille looks more like a Capri mk III, or the Aston DBS of that time.
@strat0871 Yep, I hadn't looked at one for ages. Back in the day they looked really sharp.. Not quite so much as I remember as I look again? Funny that..
one of the most beautiful cars ever built
I think it sounds beautiful; the sound is elegant with peaks of fury. I find it Mozartian and similar to the Alfa Romeo 'Busso'. And the styling is one of Giugiaro's top 10. When I was very little -three years old - I confused it with the original Aston Martin V8 (my father took me to see 'On her majesty's secret service' - I was 3)
Incredible line of cars Giugiaro had already put out at such a young age. Hes my al time favorite car designer. Amazingly versatile. He had the biggest impact on how cars looked from the 60s into the 80s
Maybe the sound in the cabin is very muted because the dude complained about it but I do agree with you, when filmed from the outside it did sound glorious.
Mozartian, 😂, very nice!
OMG ...a "real car" on youtube! ! ! ! One of my fav stylings, 2nd to the Maserati Ghibli 1968.
Standard exhaust maybe but it still sounds great to me!
I loved the Wheeler Dealers episode where they bought one that had been impounded by the Italian police a couple of decades previously and fixed it up. Great looking car - pretty car 🙂
The sound your looking for is in the front. The ITG filter kit from SF would be all you need. To sample before purchase, just remove the lid off stock unit and take a drive. Personally I am happy with the original setup - always a treat to drive. Though the live axle does not look good on paper it works great on the road! A few more hours. or a couple of days and its possible you would be using your right foot to lead the dance with the rear wheels in a most delicate and satisfying manner.
210 l drums on the assembly line ------ I LOVE IT ...THANK YOU --JACK ---
Absolutely glorious 🇮🇹❤️
Lovely car. You can tell its from the Bertone stable with Giugiaro's touch and finesse. I'd happily buy and drive that Fiat 👍
Marcello Gandini gets credit for the Design .
@@ernestfinch1578 Yes, I should have said and accidentally omitted - well pointed out 👍. Although instigated by Giugiaro, Gandini did indeed refine and complete the design, and is appropriately credited. 🙏
Great review Jack, one of my all time favourite cars!
I like the backstories on these cars.
Buy one 😊. One of the best looking cars of all time.
the coupe looks better than some ferrari's imho...very nice car!
I prefere the Osi 23Mts
This engine, with trumpets on the carbs= the best V6 sounds (and I love the Busso V6, but this is on another level)
One of the most beautiful cars, just lovely!
a shame we lost Guy Croft a few years ago... he could work _magic_ on these engines
He wasn't expert in these v6 but in 4cyl twincam.
And he was a huge arsehole, zero communication skills
This man hated his customers
Sounds good to me. I think this should be your replacement for the Ferrari. I prefer the coupe to the spider
Thanks Jack, great looking & sounding car, & your enthusiasm always goes up a notch when talking about Italian cars! 🙏🙏
Italian cars, it's in his blood & DNA.
What fantastic video Jack & wow what a wonderful car! And ive learned something too
Thanks Carl!!
Ed china and Brewer had one in their workshop. Sounded good and looked good.
I’d have one in a heartbeat, that engine noise!
Who was crazy enough to let you loose with that??! Lovely. Great colour combo. Nearly bought one of these 15 months ago on fleaBay but was outbid by £50. Went and bought a Granturismo in revenge ! And as much as I love it I probably should have bid a bit more. Engine in the Dino sounds quite similar to a Merak (from memory)
65 degrees?
Reminds me of my old Honda Magna!
Greetings, as always, from the Netherlands
Raked steering wheels were common back in the day - it helps you get your strength behind it and pull towards you when at parking speeds - remembering that this is before power steering became ubiquitous. FIAT and Alfa also had a tendency to overdo the rake a little, but I'm told it was common practice in Italy at the time to hold the lower rim when driving, shuffling it from hand to hand, rather than the classic "10 to 2" position...which makes the reach to the wheel so much more comfortable, even letting you put the seat back a little to stretch your legs..
Absolutely stunning car! Funny I just watched the Italian job on Saturday it was on film 4 .... anyway fantastic car ! Cracking stuff Jack 👍
I think it sounds fantastic!
1:07 I love this profile view. It reminds me of the Iso Griffo, one of the more perfectly balanced designs. Maybe you'll get to test one of those before too long, Jack?
Good looking for sure, but it's roof looks a little bulbous. Sorta like an AMC Marlin or a 1st gen '66/7 Charger.
I love the sound of most engines, but old school V6 and Inline 6 engines really do sound almost spiritual
one of the most beautiful designed cars ever made along side the open version LOVE FROM DENMARK
I love these! I need to find one for my garage some day. I forgot it was in The Italian Job. That makes it even more important since I’ll likely never be able to afford a Miura!!!
Never seen you so happy driving a car!!
Get one!!
Just gorgeous. Bet it smells like it should inside too. I thought the exhaust note sounded perfect from the outside. Really enjoying the more historical/contextual detail in the videos, Jack. Great stuff!
IMHO the most beautiful and elegant GT ever built!
Dont forget the Ford Osi
Another car you could consider is the Maserati Merak. I think you'd be very positively surprised. And available in RHD.
Lovely car!
The 2.0 is the prettier car. Nice dashboard nicer details. If it does not fit maybe try the 130 coupe.
I love these! If I had to choose, I would take the MkII with the larger engine, independent rear suspension and updated dashboard!
Love the Dino Coupe . Thought about buying one years ago after selling my Porsche 911
I remember Mal Nicholson from Trentside Garage in Lincolnshire had a modified 2 litre that revved to around 8k, it sounded awesome, great cars
He still has it & his daughter has a Spider 👍
Great review Jack, unfortunately you have let the cat out of the bag, it was a bit of a secret squirrel car. Now everyone will want one. Seriously they are wonderful cars. The Ferarri Dino wouldn't have existed without Fiat building the engines for Enzo to go racing, so the car on many levels is truly important. It's only now that they are starting to get the praise they deserve. Hats off to Alex Dupe with his lovely example.
they've been on the up for a while: a few years ago, maybe5(?) there were some 20KEuro cars about, now anything decent is 40-50K
Beautiful colour that really enhances its looks, in the “usual” red it looks like a Ferrari that it is not but the metallic blue is super.
Jack, you are a very, very lucky man. WHAT a beauty this car is !
My very best friend ( and best man at my wedding) had one in Canada and it was offered to me for sale. I didn’t know much about the engine that was in it and the timing wasn’t tight. Wow! Thanks for this video and all the driving fun. What a great car. I was always partial to sporting coupes and sedans over convertibles.
I don't know how it sounded in the car, but imo the exhaust note through the mic was pretty special. It does sound unique though, you're right.
I love the never ending enthusiasm and a child's joy in his eyes, every time, just every car you can see in his channel! He's highlighting just the pluses, no negatives, just what you need to know to enjoy the car! The negatives goes like the dry specifications, a right approach, thank you, sir! Good things first!
The line is stunning… a mix of Jensen,DBS, Audi 100 coupe, slightly Ghibli, a bit of 365…. Well, the right stuff….
Enzo did tend to engender strong feelings, and, rivalries between him, and, others were responsible for some remarkable things. The GT40, and, Lamborghini spring to mind.
Cut to the chase, Enzo was passionate & a real pizzer.
Very easy to see where Mazda got the inspiration for the body styling of the early 70s Capella coupe :)
I saw one of these at a car event and it is an all round lovely looking car.
Still remember them changing hands for around 6k. I'm old.
I bought one in 1997 for £6500
You ca still buy a like New 1rst Hand Fiat 130 COUPE FOR 6 GRAND
@@Haffschlappe I think those days are gone, starting price for a 130 coupe is around 10k euros and a 124 dino will put you back 30k
Wonderful! Love to see your joy above 4 500 revs! 🙂 Great video from an english/italian guy with the correct pronunciation in both laguages. Really enjoyed this. Thanks/grazie!
I want one. What a beautiful car.
Retired mechanic here, I haven't worked on the Fiat Dino, but I did spend a lot of time under the bonnet of the Ferrari Dino. I think your timing chains are making more noise than they should
When car’s we’re interesting, classy and distinctive. Everything nowadays is boring, shapeless and drab. Unless you spend a fortune !
And all get only shortlived Chinese crap today
The interior reminds me of that in the Lamborghini Miura! Fiat always produced amazing cars given the available means...!
The Nardi wheel is not contemporary (too small, too thick). That apart, I always wanted that engine in my 124 spider (no idea whether it would fit inside). I remember when these cars were available at 15000€ in good shape, since no one wanted them. As time goes by.
The Dino 206 engine was originally designed by Vittorio Jano when 'his services' along with the successful Lancia F1 racing cars were procured by Ferrari in the 1956. It was then further modified by the Ferrari engineer Franco Rocchi to bring it up to date in the early 1960s to enable it to be 'suitable and competative' for use in F2. Aurelio Lampredi's only involvment with the said Dino engine was to modify it for 'ease of production' at Fiat's manufacturing plant. Notably, the four cam Dino engine is not related to the later Fiat V6 that was fitted to the Fiat 130 coupe and sedan.
The other contested issue with the 206 Dino engine was the power it produced. In Anthony Curtis' book titled 'Ferrari Dino', he states that Fiat's version of the engine develops 160 bhp and casts a doubt on the 180 bhp claimed by Ferrari since the engines were identical in every respect bar for some very modest changes to the carburetor settings. He also states that the engines were built on the same production line where they were not predetermined to be fitted to either vehicle so one can only conclude the Enzo quoted 180bhp is a classic 'Enzo marketting exaggeration' to ensure that 'his Dino engines' were seen as better than ones destined for Fiat's use. It may be that the slightly altered carburetor settings could yield a slight increase to the Fiat quoted 160 bhp, perhaps closer to 165, however a 20 bhp increase is very unlikely.
Your facial expressions at 15:01 when you are at 4500rpm 😊
Fiat should make a Revival Model of this gorgeous and glorious car.
In my view, the nicest Car ever made. Fit for a King.
And the price was great. No need to sell the Crown's jewels...
Fiat is Chinese owned today
Love the sound and shape!
i bought one for what today is 100€ but not one piece of the car was in good condition but it drove and with holes in his exaust system it made a incredible racing sound ,i drove till the inspections started in my country ,in the 90´s ,remenber receiving a letter saying i had to take my mercedes from 1974 a w115 to inspection next year we were in 1993 and this i went to inspection with it in 1992 , but it had open recentelly .In the inspection center , all workers there were old guys i knew in highschool or working in the summer to go camping and with holes everywhere it passed without a bad remark ,i just thought "well, i´ll go camping with it ",people were always asking me what car was that ,it seemed no one knew this cars at the time ,this people from germany,italy ,france and the netherlands, almost forget a english guy too
Fiat Dino, the TOP OF THE POPS.
Just keep them coming🇮🇹🇮🇹
3:40 Enzo also got his revenge on Ford
The greatest Fiat ever, especially in coupe form. Stunning in a way the Ferrari Dino, for me, just isn't. And, muted or not, an Italian V6 knocks the socks off a V8 or V12 for sheer musicality. 43 years on, I still beat myself up over my failure to buy a coupe for £5000 when it was offered. Your best review yet!
I first saw this car, being chauffeur driven for a Mafia Capo in the Italian job. I was convinced that it was a Ferrari. When Aston Martin needed a stylish new look to follow the DB6 William Towns ripped it off for the DBS 1967. The car is a GT size doppelganger of the Fiat Dino. Luckily, no one ever noticed and told Pininfarina
Thank you for covering this fantastic car AND for making sure we won't embarrass ourselves if we ever talk cars with an Italian. "Lam-Prày-Dee"
This car is a mindblowing "GRAAL" !!! Desirable body, wonderfull engine and rather luxurious for a "simple" Fiat ! Audi tried to immitate it with the "100 coupé", but it was just an awkward immitation of this stunnig coupé designed by Pininfarina...
I always thought this looked more like a British than a Italian car. If Aston Martin had built a 2 litre GT back then, it had probably looked pretty similar.
The Dino is a beauty anyways and considering how rare and special it is nowadays, it's even rather low priced. The Alfa GTV 2000 Bertone of the same era in good condition isn't that much cheaper and was a mass product in comparision.
FIAT in those years was not humble, it had the most complete and interesting range of all; it had bought Ferrari and was motorizing the world, from the USSR to Egypt, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, Yugoslavia, India etc etc.
His 128 had just become VW's reference model for the new Golf
Sounds fantastic, looks like a million dollars, have always lusted after it. Great video
Did some refinish work on one of these cars,, drove it on the Los Angeles freeways,, It likes top speed,,, and it is as solid as a rock, smooth ride....
What a beautiful car. Jack, you need to buy one so we can see more of it on your channel. Purely selfish reasoning, I know, but I don't think you'd take much persuading.
Hood line extending and partially hiding the head lamps gives this Fiat a tougher stance. Cool car
Bucket list car for me. Absolutely stunning.
I see they have a low mileage 2400 dino coupe also. It would be interesting to see you review the two of them back to back. Amazing that they have two at the same time the same color w/ both motor options.
It sounds just right and looks astonishing. Italians made such lovely cars with great engines. Being on the poor side I'm a keen Alfa fan and owner.
That grill is one of my favorites after having a ‘72 Fiat 124 SC. Thoroughly enjoyed that car, but it was a crash magnet, five times and never my fault and even parked it got hit. It was a beautiful little sporty car.
I love them. Understated and elegant. Still at bargain price I believe. Thankfully Ford didn’t get their incompetent tentacles on Ferrari. Would have been a total disaster.
Never noticed before how similar it looks to the Toyota 2000. That would be an interesting comparison.
Only a little bit similar in the B pillar shape.
Looks right, sounds right (for factory exhaust)
I missed the most important videos… wow.
I AM IN LOVE WITH THE FIAT DINO COUPE! (Especially the 2400)
Damn this is such a great car 😍🇮🇹.
The looks, the sound
Damn I love it
It’s gorgeous. I love it.
Simply stunning
I've always wanted a fiat Dino convertible. I"m not complaining if someone at random forced me to take a coupe. :)
What an epic vintage Italian car in mint condition! It sounds gloriously for a V6 (no comparison to modern vacuum cleaner-like turbocharged mills and/or overly flatulent exhausts).Thank you Jack for sharing with us your true love and passion for cars that still had/have soul in them. I find your shows as informative and interesting as to be viewed till the end, yet the greatest advantage is the contagious enthusiasm that spurts from each one of them.
I've never seen #27 smile so much!
2 more seats than the old 308, eh 27?
Maybe the best video job I have ever seen in capturing the essence of the car, though I would have liked to have seen through the windshield as well when accelerating, and hear the car a little with the windows down. Great inside filming, best ever! The front window appears big, and looks like good headroom! This is somewhere in the top five of my favorite cars along with theJames Bond Austin Martin model, Austin Healy MK111, Jaguar XKE, and the 1974 Dino Ferrari.
Now can you imagine the same engine that was put in the Fiat Dino into a Fiat 131 Abavra. And taking the Fiat Dino. Interstate 91 in Vermont to i-89 at White River Junction. Take 89 to the Grand island. Get off at exit 2. Drive to the Grand Island feel like you're driving in the movie Silver Streak get to Russells Point New York. Take a right onto I-87 and then drive to Montreal and pass the station wagon of kids and a wave and you have a big smile on your face
Loved the video, thanks very much!! Although I have never driven a 2000, I have been a long time owner of a 2400 Coupe. Indeed, the heavier car (cast-iron block with 180 hp instead of 160) makes it a slightly different animal. Bigger block, ZF dogleg gears, better dash (imho, gauges more centralized), different seats, all in all making this a true GT. Funnily enough also the Dino 246 always had slightly more hp than the other cars with the same engine, I believe 190 or 195 hp. I agree with your comments that Ferrari would not have it to deliver the same power as the other cars.
Which brings me to a little surprise!
If I am correct, the way that was envisaged to reach the right number of engines for homologation was a spread over 3 brands even. Ferrari with the Dino (which was not allowed to be called Ferrari, due to NOT being a 12 cylinder), Fiat but also Lancia!!!
You forgot to mention the famous Stratos - the rally champion of the 70's - which has the very same 2400 Engine. Eventually there were much more than 500 engines produced and on the road, I guess the choice for this engine was a bigger success than old Enzo could imagine. Even despite the fact that the Fiat was equally expensive as (or even more) a DB, E-type or 911.
But I enjoyed the massive grin 🙂