The Adelaide Street Circuit Could Have Been VERY Different...
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2022
- In this video, I take a look at two proposals for the Adelaide Street Circuit from the early 1980s. Imagine if they'd went with either of these!
My source for this video: www.speedcafe.com/2020/11/01/...
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Proposal 1 looks like a lot of solid, challenging fun. Would love to see that being done in a Sim.
I bet someone with bobs track builder and some time on their hands could do that considering the street data exists😰
Man irl it's really cool cos on like a Friday night or Saturday night after the race or qualifying you could literally go party cos most of the well known clubs are on hindly st the st just before curry st
Southpawracer refering to a future video and making it within 2,5 years, now that’s rare
It will cease being rare at some point!
I might be Spanish, I might even be Andalusian, but the concept of "siesta" fades to oblivion when SouthPawRacer releases a new video. And, as always, it's a very well done one, my man👌🏻
When SouthPawRacer makes a video, there's no siesta, only fiesta.
@@oriolgonzalez9328 hahahahahahaha good one, pal 😂👍🏻
A reversal of the 1st layout proposed could've worked into the modern era... Just, lack of runoff is always going to be an issue, in particular: Adelaide oval(13) & Red Gum park(8) on the riverside of the track and University bend(4) would be the worst parts
Would love to see even more types of these videos for any track. Just like the Spa one. And maybe some more How To Ruin A Race Tracks
Why they didn't design it as clockwise track? Seems like they could've avoid almost all issues anticlockwise version had.
Who knows, it could have been clockwise after all - but I based my interpretation on the map in the Speedcafe article, which appears to show an anticlockwise route.
I think it would be very likely the final corner of layout 2 would have been just like brewery corner. That intersection was upgraded and wasn't shaped like that back in the 80's.
I think one of the craziest Adelaide circuit stories is they took a Formula 5000 around with a camera strapped to it to sell the idea to the government. The crazy part is they didn't ask if they could, they just did it first thing one Sunday, drove the car straight on the trailer and left quick smart.
Another great video about the history of motorsport in Adelaide. Well done. Your pronunciation of "Pulteney Street" is correct, (I'm from Adelaide). It's also interesting to note that part of the first design for the street circuit has actually been used. Not for motorsport but rather cycling. The section which goes around the River Torrens was used annually for the Tour Down Under. I already knew that this was part of the original design for the F1 circuit and always thought how picturesque it would have been. However, it would have been a nightmare to setup and host
A lot of businesses would have complained bitterly if either of these proposals went ahead, about being completely cutoff from the rest of the city. The old and current layouts block almost zero businesses/buildings.
Adelaide resident here.
Proposal 1 would have been pretty good on paper, but ... those streets are quite narrow. They'd have just been following each other all the way from King William Rd to Morphett St in the middle sector. You're right, that uphill blast to Light Sq would have had a lot of crashes too. It'd be a lot of watching them though.
This series of "how tracks could have been" makes me wanna propose you really really bad the idea for a video about the proposals for making Le Sarthe a permanent circuit between the late 60s and the early 70s, which are absolutely... mindblowing. You should absolutely check them out, I can provide you some links and sources if you want.
NOTE: thanks god that they made a referendum between the drivers and public about these and what came to reality for the 1972 24 Hours have only been the Porsche curves to avoid the fast and dangerous Maison Blanche kink section. I can't imagine a Le Mans different from what it has always been... so, choice is yours, but I think it would be a great story to tell! ;)
As someone who has walked the streets of the Adelaide CBD many times I've never thought "Wow this fits the eye as a natural place for an F1 track..." I remember the publicity shot taken during the planning stages of Vern Schuppan in an F5000 taking an apex near a confused guy watering his front lawn early one Sunday morning
The First layout in reverse would have been far better. Turn 1 (as labled) and turn 4 would need run offs created, but all the other major braking zones have whole streets to use.
Would be a very fun track, super technical, with some walls in places to punish mistakes.
I live in Adelaide, I know these roads, and proposal 1 would've been FUCKING MENTAL
I'll probably make both of these for Assetto Corsa, I'm currently making that crazy figure 8 Spa from your video on those proposed layouts
Keep us updated on the progress then
@@barkor4083 will do! City circuits can take a little longer because there's much more modelling, and for now all the assets on my tracks are placeholders cause I'm running off my old school laptop but by the end it'll be great hopefully!
@@andymb601 Have you finished the tracks yet or are you still working on them????
Yeah Im interested in this
@@STREET24000 there's a version of Spa that's on Racedepartment! Just look up Spa proposed layout
That first layout looks killer in 2 ways
Being from Adelaide, and actually being old enough to remember the Grand Prix first coming here almost 40 years ago, I have over time become familiar with the proposed Adelaide layouts before they finally settled on the one we all knew and loved.
Unfortunately the track as it was can never be again due to the Banana Bend being moved approximately 75 metres south to accommodate the building of the O-Bahn Bus Tunnel, the entrance to which lies inside the track at what was Stag Turn (turn 9).
BTW ... you got Pultney Street 100% correct. Well done 👏👏
You did slightly mess Grenfell Street though, but that's OK. The second e is pretty much said as a 'u' by locals. Thus we pronounce it more as Grenfull then Grenfell.
I love the first lay-out, but it probably wouldn't be very futureproof. If they bullozed parts of the city to make permanent run-off areas that would be a big sacrifice... considering bulldozing parts of cities is an incredibly dangerous practice in social terms. Glad we got what we got, but I'd love to see Prototypes and GTs return to this track (the 1999 New Years Eve-race)
Have a picture in my head of a 3rd proposed circuit, i think it was featured in the " 1984 motor racing yearbook "
i would love to drive that first layout on a sim. that red gum park sweeper looks like a lot of fun
You, my friend, make race tracks as interesting as nobody else! I always enjoy watching your videos!
i really enjoy learning about all these proposals. this might be my favourite series on the channel
The first proposal looks like it should've been clockwise. Clockwise it looks absolutely awesome and fluent!
Looks like a solid plan for the track, and in a perfect world where the race would bring lots of money to the city council I could see some changes to the surrounding areas being made, I love the curved braking section and honestly the road looks wide enough to accomodate cars below the F1 grade :)
Amazing video and I really loved the smooth GEarth footage.
Thats a wild track. Lots of potential. Also its King William Street in the city. King William Road in south of the parklands
Okay, now I want a mod of the first proposal 😂😂😂😂
The first layout goes right passed the Adelaide zoo at turn 5. Probably another reason it was never approved.
Another interesting fact: The Torrens loop was also proposed for Season 1 of Formula E.
Ooooooh more Adelaide track stuff!
A fascinating exploration!
Maybe we can get some of these in a sim one day :P
Southpawracer actual posted! More rarer the having a peaceful train ride on the Armadale line
"I'll see you at the first corner"
Now I am feeling slightly disappointed having done several races and there wasn't Rhys' face to greet me :(
Just kidding :p I think I am also good with he chosen layout, these proposals seem to be rather tight.
Proposal 1's turn 9, immediately got me thinking of Turn 8 at Istanbul, it's exactly what that turn is.
Tilke? Is that you?
I wonder if someone could ever remake these proposals for a simulator like the Lime Rock Mountain circuit.
Also, was it ever considered to be using the roads on the northern part to make an extended circuit? I would be really interested to see what kind of track it would become then...
A lot of filthy rich people like lawyers , doctors and executives live there . No way known would that have been allowed . Very strong" Not in my Back yard" in Adelaide
I really wanna try the first layout in a sim now
When the track was being laid out a spokesperson was asked about the late inclusion of a Victoria Park section (the purpose-built section). Journalists didn't know why it was needed and the answer they got was that it would mean seating at the horse race track could be used as stands. This could have been a late announcement as Adelaidian's are very protective of the parklands, but as the whole project was adopted by everyone that seems unnecessary. It was also the first race to use the combination of wire and concrete barriers that are now common place at F1 races. It was ground breaking at the time and happened because the people in charge wouldn't let a good idea go by no matter the source. A magazine produced by the organizers would include suggestions from average people that some times did get adopted. This is the kind of thing that made Adelaide a special race and proves that Melbourne has the money to buy anything except common sense.
I doubt the inhabitants at the Zoo would have appreciated the noise. And Frome St was then part of the hospital. Plus the back of the uni would have been very disruptive. I have done a good part of that though at a GP 'display' From te Parade ground, into King William, then Pultney St into the GP track and 3 or 4 laps back into Pultney into the Frome St. Then back behind the uni to the Parade ground. All this in Fri lunchtime traffic. Without the promised closed roads and police escort. Yes it was a circus!
Feel that the first 2 proposals would have been devastating to daily life in the CBD.
You get Pulteny right, but not Dequetteville. Most of us pronounce that second 'e'. De-ket-eh-vil
"a street circuit version of Monza or Silverstone" might I suggest CA-1/CA-35/Hickey Blvd/Monterey Road in Pacifica?
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Great Video! Love the Google maps fly over. We discussed the original proposed layout in Part 1 of our Adelaide Grand Prix podcast if you want to learn more :)
Oh hell yeah
Why not just go clockwise (edit: in the first layout, obviously)? Both steering-braking parts would become acceleration zones and thus fine. There's also almost no space for runoff anyway, so you don't lose that either.
Ok, but can we talk about how the original Adelaide layout (from 1985) could even be LONGER? I mean, there's a road in front of T9 that could be used instead of Jones straight
That would have blocked ALL access by bus and car to the city from the eastern suburbs. The residents of the eastern suburbs complain yearly with the road closures for the current layout that does not use Rundle Rd (Jones Straight).
The turn 4 would be going right past the Zoo and that wouldnt have passed the mustard
Somone make these layouts in asseto! Would be fun to race around them
why does the first proposal look like massachusetts?, and why does the second proposal look so boring that the people who did it traced on some boxes
but seriously, great video mate, this pretty much gives us an in-depth throught the proposals, tbh if T16 & T17 on the First proposal was on the other bit of that area, then probably we could of seen f1 race there, but i still much prefer the one F1 Used in the 80's and 90's
What Super Serious Track Guide track is next?
Could it be 19 corners?
That little right kink just after turn 16?
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*Adelaideians preparing their barrels like*
i want old circiut
Crikey/Bonza etc.
Proposal 2 is basically the Las Vegas 2023 F1 race track. Pls god kill me
Bring Adelaide GP back
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