To be fair to Stingray, he likely was afraid that Silver would beat him to death had he not agreed to frame Sensei Kreese. He had to betray Sensei Kreese and ultimately, Cobra Kai.
Gotta admit. Silver played this coy, calm, and clever. Nobody saw this coming, not Kreese, not the viewing audience, not even me. This is one of the best and satisfying betrayals on modern storytelling.
The sadistic, lifeless smile Terry Silver has at 2:49 is haunting. Thomas Ian Griffin is such an underrated actor. Still carrying that cold Valek demeanor to this day.
Well, It's how you see it. At the end of the episode 8 Stingray calls Terry Silver "mr. vice sensei". He knew Kreese is the "founder sense", so for me lying about him just to get in, it's called betrayal.
I think on the hospital bed he's realising he's in too deep after making a deal with one sociopathic sensei to frame another for his assault. He's probably wishing he never tried to come back.
@@SurrenderToAction Betrayal happened the other way too. Kreese betrayed him first. Stingray stayed low key and off the team during his probation so Cobra Kai doesn't get bad publicity. He came back when everything cooled off from the school fight incident. But Kreese didn't want him anymore. So he betrayed Stingray and said you're off. Stingray betrayed Kreese back, not Cobra Kai. But I don't know if it should be called betrayal because I'm sure he was threatened by Silver to do it. It's not like he had much of an option.
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 It's what I was thinking as I was typing my previous comment. I don't think Stingray had an option when he was told to do a favor for Silver. Because if Stingray refused, then he would've likely been killed. So I don't think we can even say Stingray betrayed. It's not like he decided to frame Kreese on his own will. He straight up had no option. At the same time, I'm sure he didn't mind because of how Kreese treated him. Silver used that to his advantage as well.
Terry silver may be a monster but at least he rewarded stingray with a bitchin cobra kai car and a bitchin new man cave pad for taking a brutal life inch beating.
No matter how much tragic military back story or sad sob stories about how he “saw Johnny as the son he never had.” I’ll never forgive Kreese for what he did to Stingray 😭
At 7:07 is where Kreese messed up. He obviously would get out of the assault and attempted murder charges because he will have a solid alibi, BUT he made the mistake of committing TWO crimes by resisting arrest and assaulting the Officer.
stingray is kind of creepy for being in this karate class. I mean he’s a little old. Is he like one of those man child kind of guys? I mean, the dude is hanging out with teenagers at parties.
U nailed it. He's the worst character in the show. A 30 something man-baby hanging out with kids, he's creepy. I enjoyed the scene where Kreese told the truth and when Terry did to him what most viewers wanted to do.
Stingray epitomizes someone who never grew up & is always looking to hang out with the Young Crowd & be hip 🕶️, I don't find it creepy as much as I do kinda sad you would figure would have some friends his own age or meet some people around his own age range 🤷♂️💯.
I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’m in an ITF taekwon-do class, and the main class has students from all age groups in it. I’m actually about Stingray’s age and am a color belt, so finding sparring partners at my age and rank can be tricky at tournaments. It seems to be mostly children / teens at the color belt rank, with most of the practitioners my age already at black. The few other students older than me are either training with their children or are retired.
Terry Silver seemed to be doing okay, until John Kreese slithered back into his life. When that happened, Silver took on the persona of a beast. Through Season 4, Kreese manipulates and guilt-trips Silver into doing what he wants. Silver is seen reading the book Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes which states that peace and unity are gained through sovereign power via commonwealth by social contract. Silver wanted to make Cobra Kai his own commonwealth, independent from John Kreese. The members of Cobra Kai have already entered into a social contract with the dojo. Silver himself became the artificial person that Hobbes describes in comparison to the commonwealth. With Kreese out of the way, Silver is free to build his own Leviathan from the members of his dojo or the bodies of citizens that Hobbes mentions, thus making him the sovereign head of the commonwealth, or "the head of the snake". Kreese triggered Silver, in turn awakening Leviathan.
Thomas Ian Griffith and Martin Kove are both EXCELLENT actors. Both of them should have been in more movies with larger budgets. I'm glad they are receiving far more attention now. The only problem is that that are both 100% perfect at playing the roles of "Terry Silver" and "John Kreese." It is very similar to the way Larry Hagman was so excellent at playing the villain of J.R. Ewing that the only role you wanted to see Larry Hagman play was J.R. Ewing. That is why I don't want to see Cobra Kai come to an end.
Karma finally backfired on John- he asked Terry to kiss his a** once too many times, and he got stabbed in the back, there's only so much, a debt can be paid!
"Get the Hell outta here!" Damn Kreese, Stingray was one of the more likeable charcters don't feel bad at all for how Silver Backstabbed Kreese, Silver may be a Manipulator but least he made Stingray feel wanted even if he exploited him.
It is a good set-up to show the deviousness of Silver But in a court of law, Kreese's lawyers could argue he was elsewhere during the assault - one would think he would have a plausible alibi
Silver was his alibi, so of course he won’t corroborate it. Plus, Kreese was seen threatening Stingray in front of the entire dojo, so that makes his case even worse.
To betray You're best friend of so many years Terry and John are almost like brothers if you think about just Terry is a Arrogant psychopath and if you don't believe me watch Karate kid 3
Stingray lied about kreese because he was afraid of silver which was a wise decision. Silver is rich and could afford the best lawyers to not go to jail and take revenge on stingray if he tells what happened.
Hang On a Minute This isn't John Kreesee Fault Because He is Corba Kai I Remember in Corrine Creak When Johnny Lawrence Said Stingray is On Your Team and Kresse Said Terrific Because He Never Wanted Him at The first place and Now Terry Silver He Called The Cops and Now He Should've Been in Jail
If John Kreese hadn’t been such an ass to Terry as it shows specifically in the end of one episode season four I’m not sure but I believe it’s the episode nine feels Terry. Probably wouldn’t have gone so far to do this and also he was unnecessarily stray to karate to have friends had John Kresse not done those things and had been UNNECESSARILY CRUEL TO People it came back to haunt him BIG TIME 🐍👊
It wasn’t the betrayal of Cobra Kai… Was the betrayal of Kreese. Which then again it really wasn’t….Because Kreese dumped and betrayed Stingray first. And kicked him out of Cobra Kai.
I do wonder can kreese still be charged for assaulting Johnny in 1984 assaulting Dimitri, and once again trying to strangle Johnny to death and cobra Kai season three and the same thing, he tried to kill Daniel and that season
Statute of limitations has probably gone out for the ‘84 incident. It’s doubtful Johnny would prosecute, though the owners of the cars Kreese smashed likely sued. By III, Kreese can no longer find students, so it seems that word spread about his breakdown. Given the times, it was likely seen that he got what he deserved, and it was left at that.
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Thomas should come in more movies, he nailed every scene in this series, he can literally overtake many so called "Established stars" in Hollywood
Well
Didn't he retire from acting some time ago? If so it is no wonder he is not seen
Kreese got a taste of his own medicine. He did this to Johnny in season 2 and now Terry does it to him.
In Cobra Kai Everyone Pays the Price
Yeah something tells Cobra-Kai in the-end go down one step at a time.
Well ain't karma a bitch to Kreese
Not just that, kreese cut Demetri's nose, corrupted students to Start the house fight
@@rudrakshkamath2071he didn't cut Demetri s nose he punch his nose that's a difference.
To be fair to Stingray, he likely was afraid that Silver would beat him to death had he not agreed to frame Sensei Kreese. He had to betray Sensei Kreese and ultimately, Cobra Kai.
Yes. Which is why when Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang went to talk to him he told the story in the form of D&D I believe
Well, Stingray didn’t betray Kreese. Kreese betrayed Stingray. I get you, though.
@@galacticdivinitynah
@@xnortheast1106 He did. Stingray entered the dojo for his usual class, but Kreese verbally attacked him and kicked him out.
I'm shedding my weakness. The most villian words I have heard in my life.
Gotta admit. Silver played this coy, calm, and clever. Nobody saw this coming, not Kreese, not the viewing audience, not even me. This is one of the best and satisfying betrayals on modern storytelling.
The sadistic, lifeless smile Terry Silver has at 2:49 is haunting. Thomas Ian Griffin is such an underrated actor. Still carrying that cold Valek demeanor to this day.
When you ask to be in Cobra Kai, you’ll get no mercy. Aside from that, such a sadistic beatdown to end the fourth season with Silver’s takeover.
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@@ohshi394 I’m sorry, shrimp. As for you, I say *QUIET!!!!*
@@exempligratia101 you’re genuinely so cringy omg
Don’t know if anyone remembers him from the Vampires movie
Stingray never betrayed Cobra Kai. He lied about Kreese just to get into Cobra Kai.
Well, It's how you see it. At the end of the episode 8 Stingray calls Terry Silver "mr. vice sensei". He knew Kreese is the "founder sense", so for me lying about him just to get in, it's called betrayal.
I think on the hospital bed he's realising he's in too deep after making a deal with one sociopathic sensei to frame another for his assault. He's probably wishing he never tried to come back.
@@SurrenderToAction Betrayal happened the other way too. Kreese betrayed him first. Stingray stayed low key and off the team during his probation so Cobra Kai doesn't get bad publicity. He came back when everything cooled off from the school fight incident. But Kreese didn't want him anymore. So he betrayed Stingray and said you're off. Stingray betrayed Kreese back, not Cobra Kai. But I don't know if it should be called betrayal because I'm sure he was threatened by Silver to do it. It's not like he had much of an option.
@@EdDy4RheelZ Silver might have killed Stingray, had he not agreed to the terms. The beating would have possibly continued until it ended in death.
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 It's what I was thinking as I was typing my previous comment. I don't think Stingray had an option when he was told to do a favor for Silver. Because if Stingray refused, then he would've likely been killed. So I don't think we can even say Stingray betrayed. It's not like he decided to frame Kreese on his own will. He straight up had no option. At the same time, I'm sure he didn't mind because of how Kreese treated him. Silver used that to his advantage as well.
Terry silver may be a monster but at least he rewarded stingray with a bitchin cobra kai car and a bitchin new man cave pad for taking a brutal life inch beating.
Heh
That was actually Johnny's old car that was impounded
Silver has never utilized fear tactics until he beat up Stingray
Did you not watch karate kid 3?@@MikeWoodall
Silver paid Stingray off. It wasn't a reward. it was a bribe so he wouldn't have to face the consequences.
Do you all still think that Stingray will want to go back to Cobra Kai after getting beat up really badly by Terry Sliver?
he's back
Cobra kai for life
At first I thought the beatdown on Stingray was some sort of extreme hazing to join Cobra Kai but turns out it was much worse than that.
I thought Kreese was bad. Silver takes it to a MANIACAL
Kreese brought what happened to him on himself tho
No matter how much tragic military back story or sad sob stories about how he “saw Johnny as the son he never had.” I’ll never forgive Kreese for what he did to Stingray 😭
Actually Kreese is guilty of the two charges after what he did to Johnny for losing the tournament back in 1984.
I don’t remember authority’s getting involved tho
It’s kinda scary how realistic terry silver is
7:07 Even though Kreese is technically innocent, he would still be on charges of assaulting an officer and resisting arrest...
At 7:07 is where Kreese messed up. He obviously would get out of the assault and attempted murder charges because he will have a solid alibi, BUT he made the mistake of committing TWO crimes by resisting arrest and assaulting the Officer.
You wanna be Cobra Kai??!
@@Karlos1234ify (WHAM!!!)
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 *Grips nose & stares back with fear in eyes*
@@Karlos1234ify (Laughs like the Joker and prepares to deliver another blow)
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 You Wanna be Cobra Kai??
stingray is kind of creepy for being in this karate class. I mean he’s a little old. Is he like one of those man child kind of guys? I mean, the dude is hanging out with teenagers at parties.
U nailed it. He's the worst character in the show. A 30 something man-baby hanging out with kids, he's creepy. I enjoyed the scene where Kreese told the truth and when Terry did to him what most viewers wanted to do.
@@nick56677 finally someone agrees
Stingray epitomizes someone who never grew up & is always looking to hang out with the Young Crowd & be hip 🕶️, I don't find it creepy as much as I do kinda sad you would figure would have some friends his own age or meet some people around his own age range 🤷♂️💯.
I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’m in an ITF taekwon-do class, and the main class has students from all age groups in it. I’m actually about Stingray’s age and am a color belt, so finding sparring partners at my age and rank can be tricky at tournaments. It seems to be mostly children / teens at the color belt rank, with most of the practitioners my age already at black. The few other students older than me are either training with their children or are retired.
Terry Silver seemed to be doing okay, until John Kreese slithered back into his life. When that happened, Silver took on the persona of a beast. Through Season 4, Kreese manipulates and guilt-trips Silver into doing what he wants. Silver is seen reading the book Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes which states that peace and unity are gained through sovereign power via commonwealth by social contract.
Silver wanted to make Cobra Kai his own commonwealth, independent from John Kreese. The members of Cobra Kai have already entered into a social contract with the dojo. Silver himself became the artificial person that Hobbes describes in comparison to the commonwealth.
With Kreese out of the way, Silver is free to build his own Leviathan from the members of his dojo or the bodies of citizens that Hobbes mentions, thus making him the sovereign head of the commonwealth, or "the head of the snake". Kreese triggered Silver, in turn awakening Leviathan.
Thomas Ian Griffith and Martin Kove are both EXCELLENT actors. Both of them should have been in more movies with larger budgets. I'm glad they are receiving far more attention now. The only problem is that that are both 100% perfect at playing the roles of "Terry Silver" and "John Kreese." It is very similar to the way Larry Hagman was so excellent at playing the villain of J.R. Ewing that the only role you wanted to see Larry Hagman play was J.R. Ewing. That is why I don't want to see Cobra Kai come to an end.
2:56 never actually noticed that they played la Campanella in this scene
2:56 Thoms Ian Griffith should play Count Dracula in Marvel Cinematic Universe, Disney make this happen!
Karma finally backfired on John- he asked Terry to kiss his a** once too many times, and he got stabbed in the back, there's only so much, a debt can be paid!
Stingray didn't betray anyone. He abandoned something that gave him bad results.
1:00 me pretty much everywhere I go 😂😂
I doubt that
Terry’s got the best here because he’s such an awesome badass this guy has great ideas and very knowledgeable person with Cobra Kai karate fight style
Stingray help defeat Cobra Kai only to bring it back as a daycare class lol
I don’t blame stingray if he didn’t listen to Terry silver he’ll get beaten to death
I absolutely love the thumbnail. Totally a breakout character
"Get the Hell outta here!" Damn Kreese, Stingray was one of the more likeable charcters don't feel bad at all for how Silver Backstabbed Kreese, Silver may be a Manipulator but least he made Stingray feel wanted even if he exploited him.
Liked what basically was an on the edge pedo, you are creepy
How was stingray likeable? He was a loser?
At 4:53 when I first watched I thought Silver poisoned Kreese because he didnt drink any wine when Kreese did.
6:00 infinite times. He SAVED YOUR LIFE IN VIETNAM (trees shooting at you). 😂🤦♂️🇺🇸
what do you mean?
They could've just given everyone lightsabers and this would've still better than where Star Wars is today.
In spite of everything what Kreese did for Silver eventually Silver will hate Kreese
Kreese should have let Stringray remain on the team. If Kreese had done so, this would not have happened - or at least would have been delayed.
Nah, Kreese was right to tell Stingray off. The guy needed a reality check.
The ‘98’ was a pretty good year. Held on to that for 15 years myself. Kept the bottle and cork… but it is good for a sweet victory celebration!
Stingray you okay? I hope you get better in season 5
S5 he did but at the end he partly joins Miyagi Do plus his last name was revealed to be Porter.
It is a good set-up to show the deviousness of Silver
But in a court of law, Kreese's lawyers could argue he was elsewhere during the assault - one would think he would have a plausible alibi
Silver was his alibi, so of course he won’t corroborate it. Plus, Kreese was seen threatening Stingray in front of the entire dojo, so that makes his case even worse.
What exactly was the reasoning for the creation of the character of Stingray in the first place?
terry is ruthless
We better see him in 6.
I can’t imagine that we won’t. I predict some teaser of him to close the second to last episode , and then Silver wreaking havoc in the finale.
He came back as a sensei he have a dojo for Kids class
Kreese and silver were Johnny sensei
Kreese has every right to banish Stingray out of Cobra Kai for good after the lie Stingray told the cops
Lol you know that happened after the ban right
stringray is the most powerful character in the show
To betray You're best friend of so many years Terry and John are almost like brothers if you think about just Terry is a Arrogant psychopath and if you don't believe me watch Karate kid 3
Video’s title is so stupid,, it’s Terry Silver’s betrayal. This Stingray forced and threatened to do this.
Stingray lied about kreese because he was afraid of silver which was a wise decision. Silver is rich and could afford the best lawyers to not go to jail and take revenge on stingray if he tells what happened.
Stingray should be kicked out of Cobra Kai
He should have been locked up for lying to police setting Kreese up as well as being out of. Cobra Kai all together
Terry silver got money for the best lawyers. He did the right thing if he did not lie terry would fu him up worse.
Hang On a Minute This isn't John Kreesee Fault Because He is Corba Kai I Remember in Corrine Creak When Johnny Lawrence Said Stingray is On Your Team and Kresse Said Terrific Because He Never Wanted Him at The first place and Now Terry Silver He Called The Cops and Now He Should've Been in Jail
If John Kreese hadn’t been such an ass to Terry as it shows specifically in the end of one episode season four I’m not sure but I believe it’s the episode nine feels Terry. Probably wouldn’t have gone so far to do this and also he was unnecessarily stray to karate to have friends had John Kresse not done those things and had been UNNECESSARILY CRUEL TO People it came back to haunt him BIG TIME 🐍👊
My only complaint is that Dennis and snake didn’t make an appearance
Kreese was in the karate kid and mr miagi was daniels sensei in karate kid
Stingray is never going be a cobra cai
It wasn’t the betrayal of Cobra Kai… Was the betrayal of Kreese. Which then again it really wasn’t….Because Kreese dumped and betrayed Stingray first. And kicked him out of Cobra Kai.
4:53 when I first saw this I was like oh man he’s poisoning him😱
I do wonder can kreese still be charged for assaulting Johnny in 1984 assaulting Dimitri, and once again trying to strangle Johnny to death and cobra Kai season three and the same thing, he tried to kill Daniel and that season
Statute of limitations has probably gone out for the ‘84 incident. It’s doubtful Johnny would prosecute, though the owners of the cars Kreese smashed likely sued. By III, Kreese can no longer find students, so it seems that word spread about his breakdown. Given the times, it was likely seen that he got what he deserved, and it was left at that.
vice sensei 🤣
Why couldn't you let sleeping dogs lie;
Stingray: "but im one of the guys"
Me: 🤣🤣
StinkRay needs to be removed from the show. 36 year old man-baby that creeps around teens.
Is the beating rlly that bad if he got tons of money out of it? I think its a fair trade.
john cobra kai
jesus died and rose again if you believe that he died and rose and were saved by grace through faith alone you will be saved. once saved always saved no need to repent from your sins for salvation.❤
It’s not kreese fault it was terry silver’s fault
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John Kreese deserves hell.
He’s literally almost as much of a joke as Kenny.
Kreese is evil and silver
hate john kreese army he is was
stringray is the most powerful character in the show