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There are a ton of examples out there of firearms that aren't made like they used to be in quality or appearance, many more that we were able to show here. Many of the large companies have been cutting costs more and more and sometimes it goes a little too far. The main point of this video is just to be aware of firearms you are looking to purchase and be sure they are of good quality before walking out the door with it.
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Don't ever apologize for making a video too long. You guys are great! I was a leftist anti gun guy before I found your videos years ago (I was just looking for a gun for my bug out bag and came across one of your "5 Guns" videos). Watching your videos educated me, and now I'm a 2ND Amendment advocate, full on gun guy only because of your ability to articulate gun issues that anybody can understand, without alienating people who don't know any better.
In short, thank you for all that you do, and keep on doing it!
Your pal,
jerdog3
This is pretty great.
its not impossible to be left and pro guns
guns and equality go hand in hand
It's true, I'm pretty much a Democrat, who also loves guns! We can all live in harmony! You just have to let go of ignorance.
@@sambrock9277 I'm about as far from a Democrat as you can get even though I used to be one. However, I fully support everyone's right to self-determination. I don't care if you're gay, straight, or anything in between. As long as you don't try to infringe on my rights, we're cool.
jerdog3 Bravo!!!👍👍👍
When I look around me and I see how some of us act, I realize they don't even make people like they used to.
My pre-64 Winchester model 70 was made in 1949, it is two years older than I am. Fit & finish is incredible.
Yeah those are still good till this day.
I have a 1903 Springfield rifle, made in 1918 that is a wonder to shoot. Someone, prior to me, did a fantastic job of sporterizing it, beautiful maple stock, Lyman or Redfield peep sights and a great (Krieger?) barrel. I originally intended to put a scope on it, but it is so much fun to shoot with the iron sights, I changed my mind. I will be keeping and enjoying this rifle for many years to come.
I have a Pre-64 Mod.70 target made in the early 50s, a pre-war Mod. 71 and a pre-war Mod. 70 hunting rifle, even between those you can see a huge difference. I really think the 1920s and 1930s were the peak in quality.
The big surprise is my FN Patrol Model 70 that was made around 2008, it is right up there with the 50's target as far as the machining.
I bought my dad a 1947 for Father’s Day back in 2002, for a price you wouldn’t believe if I told you
Please keep CZ on the down low so they don't raise their prices
Why are they dropping models like the 550 American, 550 FS aka Mannlicher?
They are amazing hey!!!
hahaha I think your doing more damage than he is as this is the first comment
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Cz hasnt been on the "down low" in years
While I agree that most firearms were of higher quality in years past, there's also the problem of survivorship bias. The guns that you think are great might simply be the best of the batch, with the crummier ones being long since trashed. Kinda like how many folks think old houses are far better, but they're thinking of the high-end old houses that were built with quality -- the majority of old or low-end houses are long gone, so you don't see how bad they were.
+ShawnD1027 You know, that is an extremely valid point.
27dcx It certainly is! All the old Toyota, VW, 50s fords and Chevys etc. fall in that category.
@Tanner Clark Yeah exactly. Considering how these guys are glock fanboys, that point is made even more valid.
Tanner Clark I would agree except the polymer glock uses is better quality than the polymer Ruger uses. And the polymer Cz and Sig and HK uses is better than both. Glocks also have always been made with polymer, but taking a nice wood-stocked gun and putting an injection molded cheap polymer stock on it definitely constitutes a downgrade.
That'd a good point... Its the same with cars... The crap ones are scrapped amd only the good examples survive ..
Old guns were definitely hit or miss too... you just only remember the quality ones.
+Lollygag Well really only the quality ones survived this long.
Trollygag Just like music
Even when Marlin had an attack of bean counters shot well enough to keep many in my vault to this day . Thanks be
Tanner Clark It's the chemical makeup of the polymer, and the component that it's used for. Glocks are durable, except for the polymer guide rod (which should be steel). Mossberg 500s are durable, except for the polymer trigger group (which should be at least a quality metal). Some things can get away with being lighter, weaker materials and some can not.
It's just like how polymer mags sucked until Magpul really came onto the scene, and even then, they've revised their polymer two or three times to make it even better. All plastics are not created equal.
Best ever “Gun Gripes.” Thank you. Finally found the “right” 1964 Marlin 336RC in 35 Remington a few weeks ago. Give me a choice between that rifle and a new 336 for the same price and I’ll choose the 1964 version, every time. In fact, I’d pay substantially more for the old one. There’s just no comparison.
"More deer have been killed with a Marlin 336 in .30-30 than probably any other gun."
_Winchester model 94 wants to know your location_
J Jimenez my thoughts exactly lol
Haha yes indeed.
my2cents ... The Barkleys in the big valley used Marlin lever guns.
my2cents ... Well, if John Wayne and Chuck Connors (o, not e) would come up against the Barkleys, the outcome would be friendship, because they were all the good guys. As they compared their lever guns, they'd all appreciate each one for its qualities. Then they'd go out hunting and when a deer came into view at about 150 yards, they'd open fire. After a short fusillade, the deer would run off unscathed and the group would wonder how they could have missed. The Hollywood armorer would explain to them that they were firing blanks in the pistol caliber carbines, not model 1894 Winchesters. Chuck would ask him how it was possible that his twelve shooter could be firing blanks, especially since he killed his opponents in almost every episode. Marion would say that he's shot and killed plenty of men and injuns with both rifle and hogleg, so that deer should have gone down. Didn't anyone tell it to drop? Meanwhile, the non-gay actors would be gang banging Audra (Barkley, not Lindley), because she was hot as hell. They'd say that was better than trying to kill an innocent animal, which the gay actors would agree with. The deer wrangler would be rolling with laughter that the actors were dumb enough to think they were hunting.
Director: CUT!!
Bubbad nagants wants to know your location
Keeping costs down is no excuse for bad workmanship.
+Krevin Grard
100 percent agreed.
I have to agree wholeheartedly too. I have recently acquired a Springfield Armory XD 9mm Subcompact. American company, built in Croatia. I looked it over carefully before getting it. It had a drastically different quality of workmanship to the weapon that it replaced. The former was a Rock Island Government model. In the example I'll share the feed ramp on the Rock machining marks could be seen without a magnifier. Several brands of JHP ammo would not feed. One round struck the feed ramp and shoved the projectile completely inside the cartridge.
In the newer weapon, the feed ramp Is absolutely as polished as a mirror. The assembly was clean, I could see no scratches, good workmanship all around. The materials appeared to be well selected, the rifling in the barrel with no wear appeared as clean as any barrel I've ever examined. The XD was made and was new old stock, no signs of wear, and was more than acceptable, it was top flight workmanship - from Croatia. If I see this kind if workmanship In an American weapon, it's a Kimber, a Smith & Wesson, or a Colt. All brands known for high quality and good workmanship. So examine carefully when buying. You might get a quality weapon not capable of loading anything but military FMJ, NOT recommended for police or self-defense (read the box, it's on there on Winchester White Box 230 grain GI issue style ammo). Check out quality of the gun if DEFENSE OF YOUR LIFE IS AT STAKE. You test drive cars, rent what you're interested in, ask a few local cops what their force uses and what they like to use off duty for concealment. You'll get a few surprises, but you'll be safer when you have a weapon you'll be happier and more confident if it comes down to defending yourself, your family, or an innocent third party being attacked by lethal threat.
Exactly
John Mood I know a few people who will not buy any firearm,built and assembled in the USA by an American Worker.
Given the amount of competition out there, bad workmanship is very costly to a company anymore.
Anyone that wonders about bad workmanship, doesn't know about getting underpaid by an employer who tells you to keep working even though you are finding and pointing out defects but management won't let you stop and fix the fucking machine even though the product is fucked up. I've worked in a few factories, and it sucks to work for a boss who doesn't care about quality until sales go down. So by all means stop buying, either they will fix the machines or go out of business. There are lazy workers as well but in general folks show up expecting to make a quality product and then get blown off by management about the defects. Even if they know someone who is a fuck up, it is hard to get them fired because they are either under staffed or the guy fucking up hides behind the Union.
+Electro You said a mouthful. You just described the plight of the modern worker almost universally. Sadly, the blame can't be isolated easily, there's the effects of globalization and macroeconomic forces, trade agreements, mismanagement, nepotism, etc., etc. I guess all one can do is hope they are lucky enough to work for an outfit in its prime.
+Electro I work for a very large polymer/plastics manufacturer as a production operator and 80 percent of our lab techs in quality control are lazy pieces of shit that pass defected material all the time and write down bullshit numbers when recording their results. We are all paid very well too. I think it comes down to pure laziness by a few bad apples that continue to keep their jobs due to being understaffed. Not the same as machining or machined parts but still the same kind of thing...
salame462 That speaks to poor management and policy. There should be checks and incentives in place to keep that kind of shit from happening. If you come up with that plan, you might get yourself a promotion.
+Electro interesting...😇
Electro I'm an American Automotive Factory worker (non union) we have the same problems. It's 98% management. They don't let us stop to fix problems because that means lower numbers. And at the end of the day that's what they care about.
In my opinion on nearly all production items not only are they made cheaper but there is a profound lake of quality control and pride in work.
My favorite example of C & R craftsmanship is the K31 Swiss. The straight pull bolt is quite a complex design and mine functions smooth as silk. Every detail including the wax sealed match quality military ammunition amazes me. My eighty year old gun easily holds 5-shot one inch groups at 100 yards.
I'm surprised they didn't mention Remington.
maybe they don't want to admit they own a Remington.
+everett higginbotham maybe I don't own a Remington....🤔
+Iraqveteran8888 and yet you'll admit to owning a high point.
+everett higginbotham I've got a couple of Remington 870s that are okay guns. Yes I own two hi points. A pistol and a carbine in 10mm 🦄
You have my attention, how do you get one in 10mm?
i used to work at a big box outdoors store in the gun department. When Remington started making the 336 with the parkerized finish the rear sights on everyone was off. There also is a big difference between the new 870's and the older Remington Expresses.
I appreciate that you gentlemen are not “gun nuts” but firearm historians and true enthusiasts. Well done. My “Deer Gun” is grandpas Remington 570 Game Master in .35 Remington.
there is no remington 570
760
Six years on, I'd say if you want a modern firearm that is made to high standards, Henry is the way to go. They aren't cheap, but they are well-made.
Made in America too.
That's a fact
Their receivers are made of sink/aluminum metal now, not steel
@@connorlefler6238that’s bullshit lmao. Whoever started that rumor is a genius because all the goofballs ate that shit up like it’s the holy scripture.
No they’re not.
I'm on my second. I love it more than I could love a human baby.
I'll be 55 this year. A Hell of a lot of guys my age have fond memories of 10-22s, VW Beetles and Mustangs. We learned how to shoot with a 10-22 and how to drive on an old Beetle or Mustang.
Beetles not that great
@@jeffscuderi8662 had a 67 and a 70 loved them both. 67 would top 90mph across Kansas.
Excellent show Eric and Chad. I love my Browning 22 semi rifle that my dad bought in the 70's with the feed tube up the stock that you feed in the 22 LR's in the side of the stock. a small action but a very dependable rifle.
I bout the CZ 527 carbine a couple of years ago. Put about 2000 rounds threw it at the range and take it hunting in the fall without one issue! I love that little gun! Its incredibly light too, pacts a decent punch for medium game without killing your arms holding it all day!
I have a 1971 marlin model 336 chambered in 35 Remington it has been passed down in my family since 1971 I got it when I was 10 that gun is the only gun I would trust with my life with
IV8888 Drinking Game: take a drink every time Chad says "whatnot".
All jokes aside love yalls videos.
Kyle Soucy Think not - alcohol poisoning. ;)
All of my Rugers are pinpoint and reliable. I don't stare at the script on the barrel, I focus on the front sight. Maybe in the future I can buy some expensive guns for show. But for now its function over form.
I think Chad is a valuable member of the team and has a lot of knowledge. I liked Barry too, RIP. But, that's over and done with and he can't be replaced. Go eat some 'member berries if you can't handle it. I've never for a second gotten a "know-it'all" vibe from him. He is very knowledgeable and likes to share his knowledge with others. That's the point of the channel, is it not? He's also very patient and a hell of a shot. I went from owning a Model 10 that I never shot to having a C&R license, learning a great deal of gunsmithing, and reloading over 25 different calibers largely because of this channel. I don't get the hate... Then again, I don't get the hate for Nutnfancy either. I guess I'm simply not a miserable person who likes to hate on people because they don't fit my expectations. If you don't like Chad, don't watch the videos he is in. A huge part of the downfall we have seen in the last decade is everyone is selfish as hell and thinks their opinion and feelings are unique and special like a dazzling snowflake.
He's an effin "What not".
toolness1. well said
I hated Not Barry at first because he was just that...Not Barry but I've come to really like Chad. He seems like a knowledgeable, good guy. Plus it's not his fault that Barry is no longer there.
Nutnfancy is ok he just doesn't edit his videos and rambles for literally an hour.
These two yuppies cant hold a candle to the old man. Bunch of pussies millennials like yourself
You guys are great, you just jaw away like you are sat down with friends, no bullshit, no macho man, tell it like it is. A very useful video to keep when looking to buy. My wife and I went to our first (UK) gunshow over 3 years ago and my wife picked up a brand new Chiappa lever action, then she picked up an old Winchester - her face said it all. The new Chiappa felt like it hadn't been finished yet, the Winchester felt like your favourite pair of gloves, it seemed to melt into your hands like it was made for you. I''m sure Chiappa make good stuff, but that gun was rough.
Keep it up, I could listen to you guys all day.
It is hard to go wrong with anything manufactured in Switzerland--guns, watches, cameras and other optics, even knives.
+alex hidell you are right, years ago I bought a K-31 on the advice of a gun guy I trusted (I knew nothing about them at the time) it's an awesome gun, I don't shoot it much, but I will never trade it.
You've never worked on a Volvo I'm guessing🤨😕
Rob Sorgdrager Volvo’s are Swedish not Swiss
@@sandervanduren2779 explain me the difference and don't tell me mountains....that's like saying people from the Ozarks are not Americans .....the Swiss are just wealthy sweads or poor Germans . Volvo's are engineered by the same people that built tractors Sept they added rocket science. Swiss to me just means 100 more steps to do a job that requires 5 steps. The Swiss can't just build a clock they have to invent a new way to measure time and then work their way back to a clock. 😁
Rob Sorgdrager well for one, the Swedes live in a completely different country, have a different language, a different culture, and so on. They are not even remotely similar, other than being Europeans of Germanic descent.
SOMETHING FROM AUS. LOOK INTO THIS ... A man had his house broken into on the 26 of March this year in Newcastle NSW .He found the criminal in his daughters room this is at 3.30 am.He proceeded to make a citizen arrest as the fight broke out the criminal had his neck broken .he died later that day .......THE HOME OWNER HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER...YOU THINK YOUR COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE. In my country you cannot even defend you family.
+rr01xz - I love Aus. but that is indeed messed up. Someone enters your house with intent to harm... Self-defense and defending our families is a fundamental right.
rr01xz I'm an Aussie too and this story made my blood boil. You forgot to mention that the intruder beat the crap out of him before he overpowered him and the only photos the news could find of him was with a crack pipe or a bong in his hand. And his family are out the front of the courthouse trying to defend his actions and want the man jailed for life for defending not just his home but his little daughter.
I'd have no issue putting a hole in someone just for being in my house let alone a kids room and he attacks me.
Welcome to our world , get a Rottweiler and blame him . Thanks be
Hey don't think you Aussies,have it bad. InGreece 2 intruders attacked a teenager in his home .he had a German shepard which rose to the occasion and ripped the bastards throat out . After the boy fought back. the second intruder fell down the stairs, sustaining fractures and extended injuries. Result.....10 years imprissonment for manslaughter, and who knows what for grave bodily harm.!!!!! iF THAT IS JUSTICE FUCK THE EU AND ITS COMMIE PSEUDO DEMOCRACY.
That is why one should invest in a 5 horsepower meat grinder, a sausage stuffing machine and know where the local hog and pig farms are..... unless you have an over abundance of homeless.
CZ across the board are the closest to how things where made years ago i have found. Some savage rifles are still high quality metal parts but i have never seen a bigger decline in quality than remington, i litterally avoid their guns now, and it's sad to me.
The 455 is good. Everything works well.
The American with scope and the premium for shooting iron sight at 50 meters is perfect .
I agree. Cz and savage are solid for the most part. I hear good things about tikka and howa rifles too.
Well I'm not so impressed with my 783, I think I'll end up buying a Tikka T3x Super Varmint/Varmint instead, I have a Savage Mk2 and 97R17, they are ok but a bit cheap on parts, I may end up looking at CZ 512 for Mini Rifle and a Tikka T1 in .22lr AND .17HMR for Running Boar Competition, Vermin, and Fox/Vermin.
I have an old Anschutz 1413, for Target, which I'd only change for a 1913 if the bolt extractor fails, since the 1413 is 1963 manufacture, and they since moved on to double extractor bolts.
Best gun here by far is my 6.5x55SE Tikka T3x Super Varmint, it's got a smoother action than the T3x TAC A1, but the furniture on the TAC A1 is better for target. Mine's currently in .308, but I think I'll try 6.5 Creedmoor in TAC A1, and exchange the .308 for yet another Super Varmint, these rifles are just so good.
So CZ, Tikka, and Anschutz, can't see me buying anything else, and Remington has been a disappointment.
@@Judge_Dredd I have a CZ512 .22 mag that shoots a ragged hole at 75 yards. Also a CZ 452 in 17 HMR that shoots the came hole at 75 yards. LOVE CZ's!!!
I have a Ruger Talo GP100 SS .357 6" it's just beautiful. Built like a tank.
i have no idea about guns, but was nice to watch this anyway.
i've fired guns a couple of times, i don't own one myself but it's always good to learn something about this kind of stuff since i plan to buy guns one day
You don't live in Texas, do you?
+Puncl ALIG Wow, nice, how'd you find this channel?
slamdunktiger
accident, first i found "hickok45" and then i found this ;D
+Puncl ALIG very cool, have you shot anything before?
My oldest firearm is a Remington Model 11 made in 1931. Still serves nearly flawlessly
I had a Winchester Model 12 from 1926. My grandfather got it when he was 16. When things got rough, I took it to Cabela’s to see what I could get for it and they didn’t even want it. It’s a 16 ga. chambered for the old 2-1/2 or 2-9/16 inch shells. They figured nobody would want it. A cousin bought it and gave it to his great nephew for Christmas, so it’s still in the family.
@@ricksorber8343 I picked up a Model 12 made in 1941 maybe seven years ago. It had an old leather shell holder on it that had discolored the stock a bit. 16 gauge with a poly choke. Nice checkering. I use it for turkey or squirrel with light loads.
When you mentioned people treat your gun gripes like pod casts, im driving through Florida listening to your vids. They are relaxing because you guys seem relatable and have good info.
Same. I'm in FL and listen to them on my commute everyday.
I love most of my older guns from late 60's to early 70's like:
Browning High Power 9mm
Colt Python 6" blued
S&W Highway Patrolman 38 special
Colt 45 Government
Browning 270 BAR rifle semi auto
Enfield 303 from 1912
Ruger 10/22 from 1971
Winchester 320 / 22 cal 10 shot clip from 1968 best little iron sight rifle as it was my first
Ruger Blackhawk 357 / 50th annivesary edition
just to name a few
Funny, you can get a deer gun today, Savage, Howa or Tikka, that costs only a couple day's wages, whereas in years gone by a less accurate winchester 70 was out of reach of the common man.
If you look at companies like Montana Rifles, Cooper, Sauer... I think they really do build them like they used to, selling rifles you could hand down. Different strokes.
I own a Tikka T3x and while not exactly cheap, it is an extremely accurate and well made rifle. And the trigger in that thing is top tier.
Howa is good Mossberg patriot decent
I beg to differ when it comes to the 1100 that was my first competition shotgun and I just changed the barrel to a hunting interchangeable choke and it was a great gun of which has been used by my father and me for about 40-45 years.
Great video. I had to go back several times to catch what you. Lots of valuable information. Thank you so much, and keep up your good work.
I have a 100 year old Marlin model 39, a 40 year old 39 ,take down and an 1894. These Missouri walnut rifles are beautiful
Just my 2 cents, older guns seem better because all the crappy ones were destroyed years ago. Also, if you buy a new gun and something goes wrong you tend to be more annoyed and vocal because of the increased cost you are out.
JungleEddie there are still pretty of crappy guns from back in the day that are real pieces of shit
Should have jump on Remington more often. I would touch anything with the Remington brand on it, except remoil. lol
I worked there. I feel the exact opposite
I had a post-freedom group 1895SBL in 45-70, and the machining was brutal. The feed ramp was so sharp that it would cut into the brass of the shell and jam it there. On the other hand, I bought a Winchester 1873 with a 20" bbl in .357 mag, I believe they're made in Japan...amazing quality gun, great shooter, beautiful fit and finish.
Just bought a Ruger SP101. Beautiful finish and fitting... Just as well made as my centennial single six..
great video. I don't know why you apologize for making long vids. We love your longer vids cause the content is good. You aren't just rambling on and on like some vids. Keep em coming!
You guys have a too good channel for me to watch it. In my Poland, i can not possess weapons due to various difficulties(theoretical i can). Watching your movies is like my cruelty to himself. I have here my house, work, money, but this is not it. Your right of possession of arms is the first reason to become an immigrant. : D You make fantastic job !! I had to make break in the middle of the movie because my heart ached too much and i need write it .
I have a Howa 1500 in 243 Win. with the Hogue fully overmolded 'sticky' stock. Being used to wood finish or molded polymer stocks, the Hogue felt odd, but learned that the purpose was to weather proof the stock, and now it feels great. BTW, it shoots .75 groups at 100 yds. all day. Love it.
If you hand loaded ammo it would shot 3/8 in groups. The Howa are great guns for the money.
I don't k ow why but I think guns are just beautiful. Especially older ones. The precise machineing, attention to detail, blued steel. Just amazing
Gotta say. Love my rugers. That being said. My new 10/22 isn't the same one I grew up with. I do enjoy my saa rugers though. My single six and super Blackhawk 44mag are awesome guns.
Eric and Chad I noticed that you never mentioned Savages quality. All of the Savages I have seen appear to have excellent quality. Thanks for the info on CZ's I am going to look into them.
I love all your videos where short OR long OR in-between. Duration isn't a problem!
My first 22 was a 10-22 Ruger 1971.
I bought it for $42 in Sacramento CA.
Best and most accurate Rifle I own.
I use my Stainless Steel 10-22 Ruger all the time now that I bought 10 years ago.
I thinking about buying a CZ 512 Semi Auto in 22 Mag to step it up a bit.
Eric and Chad, great video! No complaints here about it being too long. My experience is in line with yours, Ruger and CZ bolt guns are great! Paid more for the Rugers than I wanted to but they are worth it in my opinion. The CZ's are slick and accurate, will not hesitate to buy again. Then we get to Remington and Savage, got a Remington 700 in 22-250 with bad chamber from the factory. Splitting cases because the headspace was way off, barrel ruined. Although, took the action and built a tack driver, Shilen barrel, and much custom work, best 5rd group at 0.36 inches at 100yds, still 22-250. Savage model 10 in 308, best group from factory about 2.5 - 3 inches. Bore looked like the rifling cutter chattered all the way down the bore. Threw away the factory junk and now getting 0.5 inch 5rd groups at 100yds with Shilen barrel. Wrote factory about poor work and they don't care, won't even respond. I will not ever buy another Remington or Savage rifle new in the box again. Will look for old rifles that companies were proud to produce not the junk they turn out now. Great video, keep up the good work!!!
Got that 452 American Scout for my boy as well. Have been Thoroughly impressed with that little rifle! Very Accurate!
Yep. Bought a 452 youth scout for my son. Can shoot with 1 (magazine spacer), 5, or 10 rd mags. Love the short stock and barrel. Too bad he loves the Cricket more. Oh well. Looking for a full size stock for it as he grows. The 452 has been discontinued for the 455. Great rifle.
Love my 452 American LH.
Just wanted to say you guys are a wealth of knowledge for us and dead on with your opinions! Thank you for what you do!
I drive over an hour to work and only listen to you tube gun vids. I have learned so much about shooting and reloading thanks to people like you guys. Btw MORE RELOADING VIDEOS!!!
My 1982 Remington 870 Wingmaster is the highest quality pump shotgun I have shot. I just wish Freedom Group didn't ruin Remington so they could make guns like that again...
ajttambo old Remingtons are about as good as they get, i have a Remington Nylon rifle from the 1950's that my grandfather gave me, that thing shoots like it came out of the box yesterday
My 1187 from 2010 or so shoots great
You obviously haven't shot Ithaca 37 Browning bps marlin 120 all better than 870
Older guns tend to be nicer because they are here. Abad gun made in the past would not even be here today.
I just turned 67, vietnam vet, been buying, selling, horse trading all my adult life, mostly made good deals, got burned on a less than a handful. I let some really rare ones get away in my youth. lol You have a lot of common sense, it's becoming rare. Love your videos.
This was one of my favorite videos. I do really enjoy the gun gripe episodes.
I'm Argentine, I am so envy of you boys, a Ruger 10/22 is worth U$S S800 here. Sorry for my english.
You can get them for as little as $200 new here in the states.
Hey, it's ok, I'm born and raised in Winchester VA. and I can't speak English too good(very good, more betterer.... whatever;)
Wow
... I'm from Austria and bought a new Marlin 336W and I have to say it looks very good. The grip is cut very precise, the diamond cut on the grip looks good (not like Chad's) and the sights are damn straight too ... I don't know if I just got lucky or they changed the manufacturing ...
Totally agree on the Quality of CZ. My 1960 marlin Golden Mountie is probably my favorite quality rifle I own. Shoots standard velocity half inch 50yds. Open that lever as slow as u can still throw cases 10 ft.
Ported barrel 38's are so easy to shoot, they are good for a whole day of fun on the range.
500 years old and Beretta still has its lemons
beretta sux
@@zillsburyy1 The beretta 92 clone from girsan is built better than the beretta
They aren't made with love anymore.
+ZzBiohazzardzZ Even love isn't made with love anymore. ; )
+ZzBiohazzardzZ this comment makes sense to me. I'll elaborate about my experiences at the Smith and Wesson booth at Shot Show this year. So I walk over to look at the new Smith and Wesson VIctory .22 pistol and I promptly begin asking the guy sitting behind the counter a few questions about the gun (because I didn't want to sound like a complete idiot when I talked about it on camera)
The guy I was talking to was an engineer and he acted like it was such a pain in the neck to have to talk to me and acted like there were 100 places he would rather be than right there talking about a product that I'm pretty sure he probably had some involvement in making. His lack of enthusiasm was pathetic. I mean damn I don't expect them to be wearing green vests with flair all over them, but when a guy walks over with 5 employees and 2 very expensive cameras you would think they would put two and two together!
The moral of the story is love your job, do it right, or go the hell home!
*****
Right on brother, I couldn't agree more. I think that's the main problem today, is that we have a lot of people doing a job that they don't like doing, which often times results in half-ass work.
nothing is
Mark Belk I remember an interview with a lady who assembled ak47 and ak74 rifles in a Russian factory. She said with passion “I know this rifle will end up in the hands of a soldier who defends my country. I assemble it with love and make sure all is correct because it might cost a soldier his life if I don’t do it right”. This passion is not seen in many workers just doing enough to keep getting a paycheck
I have an original Marlin Guide gun in .444 Marlin and I love it. I like the new ones as well. They are not as good as the old ones, but they are getting better. I love Marlin Rifles.
I bought my son a Marlin 336W (30-30) last year. Winchester is the only ammo that doesn't fail to eject after a shot. I called Marlin and they said "Sorry, that's an ammo issue, not an issue with the rifle". Done with those guys.
I had an old walnut stock ruger m77 mark 2 in 308 and that thing would hit anything you could see, never should have sold it
Shame
+Nathan Griewisch I have one! Bought it used too. It's a good deer gun.
+Nathan Griewisch I had a Remington Model 77 Sportsman that I wish I never sold. It was in .308 and dead accurate.
Have a '82 Ruger M77 in .30-06 with the tang safety. I'll never get rid of it! :)
I am very pleased with my Win Model 70, made by browning, in Portugal, and it is very good quality. They are not the cheapest but I am very pleased with it. Shoots very good too. It's got the Mauser type action.
Ironically (or tellingly) the tools that were used to fit these wooden stocks are probably the best example of 'not making them like they used to'.
I love my savage mark II G. I’ve had it for about 10 years now and it still going.
I have a early 70's Dan Wesson Revolver. The quality is amazing.
What caliber?
Found it! Try the Remington Model 550 or the 550-1. Not easy to find and relatively pricey, but a great rifle and definately an heirloom rifle.
I keep staring at that brownells hat and have never seen it for sale before.
Thanks for the videos guys really enjoy watching you all and learn more about on what to look for when buying a gun, I would say the best rifle I ever had was k31 unfortunately had to sell it but now I'm in the market for another one or perhaps a k11 hopefully soon if I can find one at the right price and right condition and you all right they don't make them like before the craftsmanship and the attention to details are not there anymore looking forward to the next video take care and God bless
Felix , Las Vegas NV
This is why I like combloc and former combloc countries. On top of military rifles, CZ makes some great hunting guns. Same think with VEPR and Saiga. It's really a shame they do it better than we do
I would look at the firearms being manufactured today as you would look at wartime surplus. The manufactures have been racing the last 4 years to meet current demand along with trying to balance introducing new products consumers are looking for. I would much rather purchase a Ruger from 4 years ago than one made today. Not that the ones made today are bad guns, it is just that 4 years ago they a little more time to assemble and finish the guns.
Very informative and enjoyable post. Thank you guys.
Your videos are so good they are impossible it's impossible for you guys to be long winded the longer the better keep up the good work your knowledge goes a long way with Done enthusiasts
Value engineering. The crippling of craftsmanship.
My ruger American came with a warped stocked that touched the barrel on the left side. They sent a replacement stock and that one had the same problem.
Really weird that I was looking at a bolt action 22, had my mind set on a Ruger American and glad I watched and heard about the CZ 455
You mentioned at the end of the video about personal experiences. A few years ago I picked up a New Vaquero and first day on the range after about ~20 shots in first shooting, the revolver stopped working. Sent it in to the company and sure enough, the wrong spring was installed which controlled the transfer bar resulting in essentially dry fire.
Got it back and ever since, a great revolver (45 Colt btw) but definitely a manufacturing defect.
I will say, Ruger was super awesome about it and fixed it without cost to me so kudos on the backend service...but it was a legit defect out of the box.
I can't believe that you guys didn't talk about Winchester 94.
+Justin Dana there's only so much we can talk about in this video. Think about it...if we used examples from every company out there, this video would be 5 hours long. People are claiming that we are throwing ruger under the bus. This is not true at all...the reason ruger is represented so heavily is because we OWN a lot of ruger products. Same with anything else in the video. Maybe a Winchester wasn't in the video because I don't own any of them....in which case the quality doesn't matter 😇
It's ok, awesome video though.
+Justin Dana on a serious note I collect vintage Winchester .22 rifles. Not a fan of anything else they make.
Yeah if I was going to own the Winchester rifle it would have to be a original Winchester 73 or a pre 64 winchester.
+Iraqveteran8888 I miss Barry. Eric is an eye sore in these videos. Please get another partner. I know nobody could replace Barry. But get someone who can fit in well with you.
Well, gonna wait for that HD.
Why?
+ThornInTheEye I remember 240p. They don't make 'em like they used to.
+ThornInTheEye You'd have to wait regardless if they waited to process HD before posting.
+ThornInTheEye It's 2016, and people STILL mention this.
Gotta have that high resolution for two guys sitting, talking in front of a camera for nearly an hour
Love your long videos. Learn a lot. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You two are the best reviewers and " gripers" bar none. Thanks for all you cover. Good job and thanks.
My m1 garand from Springfield armory was forged out of steel in April 1944. They don't make them like that any more.
It is heavy as shit though. My AR is like 6 lbs.
pros and cons, pros and cons
Adding to this. If you had to build a new modern SKS rifle according to original specs it would cost $1500 or more. I’m an SKS fan considering
Finally watched complete episode#109 gun gripes, barrel band was binding the barrel got rid of it. cut off the nub rounded it off shoots & looks great.
Good job guys. Enjoyed the content of this video. You are going to cost me money! I feel like going checking pawn shops in town again.
If you had to take 1 rifle to another planet, what would it be?
AR15 because Obama can't reach out that far
+glennwih rail gun
+glennwih , i d take some food
The guy on the history channel said AK-47. He is fat and bald and knows a lot about guns.
+glennwih and you sound 12 asking that question.. so let's judge..
What, no Rem model 870? That's a classic!
do a comparision 870 express/870wingmaster, old ones /current ones
The new 870's are crap compared to older ones. The quality control just isn't there. Tool marks and cheap metals
thanks to corporate bean counters ect... winchester( gone),remington,marlin,smith wesson & others make junk now.... cut corners,.. fire older skilled craftsman ,hire new unskilled laborers that don't give a f--k.....probably shut down soon..... i think sorros,bloomberg & other NWO ,UN types are linked to this..... billionare businessmen.. ..undermineing entire gun industry....??...liberal democraps will try anything .
If I didnt know better, its like you both have a doctorette In Guns.... It's obvious you live, breath guns.... Very very informative! You both are not that old but have a very impressive Knowledge. This is one of my unexpected favorites on the internet! Great work gentlemen!!!
I have one of those CZ 527 7.62X39 rifles. It is a tack driver. Fun little gun and extremely well made.
I'm an old Limey, 72. What you think is old is nothing. I had my first air rifle aged 8 in 1953. It was a Diana 177. The quality was good but I didn't appreciate that until I replaced it with a BSA Meteor 177 in 1961. It was crap. PLASTIC. So, when you say old I think you should know the question of quality is relative not only to the era but also to the the manufacturer. If you buy expensive top quality today, chances are the quality will be as good if not better than yesteryear. In other words, as the Cockney saying goes, "Yer pays for what yer gets".
I own a CZ ,22 magnum bolt action rifle. Not that expensive. I do not know how old it is but it is stamped Czech Republic so it's post Soviet Union. Quality good.. Style good. Bolt action good. Accuracy good x9 scope. Real value for money. I understand their quality has been consistent. If you buy from a low quality manufacturer. expect low quality. The problem is when you buy a gun from a maker with a good reputation only to find it's rubbish, then you have reason to be angry. Marlin is the perfect example and Ruger should watch out..
amen to that. like my little .22 i had a choice between a marlin or a remington and I didn't pay much more for the remington but it has definitely proven to be much better quality than the marlin was
+Devin Starkey Yes. I understand Marlin has improved but is still nothing like it was. As for Winchester, forget it, unless you buy an old one, pre 1964, I think. It's really sad to see these famous names going down the drain.
+Adrian Larkins there are very few companies anymore that you " get what you pay for" whether it be cars, guns, and even computers. 1970's and 80's 350 small block chevys ran like Champs compared to the newer "improved" models, winchester went from being more or less the top of the line "budget" firearms to big box store specials and basically any computer you can buy at a store now is basically twice the price of the what it's worth, more like 600 in parts and another 600 in assembly. which is why I'm building one from scratch as we speak part by part. the only thing that I have found as a worth the price kind of quality is knives and axes.
+Adrian Larkins call me an outsider/ weirdo but as long as there is a technical or mechanical aspect to it then it catches my attention and intrigues me. the fact that the most basic of computers today contain the same power as multi million dollar systems did back in the past just amazes me, and to top it all off the fact that you can make it look and act as you wish as you are building it is what draws me to it, just like how there are multiple accessories and kits available for our guns to handle as we feel most comfortable and as efficiently as possible for whatever purpose we desire. all of these seemingly separate systems are quickly becoming more conjoined every year while "budget" weapons no matter how high the quality used to be are showing more of what they are actually called in themselves and that actually is budget quality. it kills me to say it but it's true
Spot on Limey . I'm in your club over here , with a brand new Remington with a Nylon stock . Was great , light as a feather and ran like a sewing machine till you stepped on it by accident years later and out of production . I love C.Z. too . Thanks be
M1 Garand and M14 were made with forged receivers. The Springfield M1A today is made with a cast receiver. Also something to think about is the overall decrease in craftsman in our country. The "you have to go to college" mentality I think is to blame.
Nothing wrong with cast though rugers are and they work great
I’ve never had a gun that was a lemon, but I do own a used double stack para 1911 that drops mags really easily. Like after shooting a round.
Once again a brilliant show of knowledge and expertise well done I really enjoyed watching your RUclips videos 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Personally I like listening to these Gun Gripes while taking a nice morning shit
And shooting a deer out the window hahaha!
We know , you seem to have a lot of company on the gripe portion . I wouldn't expect you'll learn any thing except these men will be trying to save yo stinking ass till you pass . Good By
Damian Grouse I brought a bottle of poppers to my prostate exam so it'd be easier, the doctor was not impressed.
Is that 90's 10/22 signed by Uncle Ted?
The one example I always think of is the Remington shotguns: my friend bought one that was new and it's only been a few years and the finish is already peeling off, same with my uncle's wing master he bough in 2014. Just a couple weeks ago I bought my own 870 wing master deluxe, I payed a pretty penny but it was assembled in 1960 and so far I've put about 150 rounds through it (mostly birdshot) and it shoots smooth and fast.
Vocalcoyote not just their shotguns, rifles have really went down the drain as well. The X-Mark Pro trigger was a disaster that has cost them millions and millions of dollars. The 710 and 770 were absolute junk, not even worth $150 in my opinion. The 783 is alright for a $300 rifle although I think the Axis an American are far better. 700’s made today just don’t feel like the 60’s-80’s 700’s I have. The only newer guns I own are a Browning X-Bolt and Savage 110. Everything else is 80’s and older
Even though it's 6 years old, I enjoyed it and learned a lot. Could you do a newer version of this or a comparison of say the past guns and the ones of today that replaced them. Again Thanks.