The Warhammer Update Scandal Got WORSE

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  • @DiscourseMinis
    @DiscourseMinis  Месяц назад +11

    Check out PORT ROYAL here! www.kickstarter.com/projects/firelockgames/port-royal

    • @dsprocks
      @dsprocks Месяц назад

      Already pledged at the legendary level, looks like it's going to be a really fun game.

    • @fcwookiee79
      @fcwookiee79 Месяц назад +1

      I love the Idea of the game but with shipping from the US not UK friendly hubs means high shipping costs plus VAT and fees if the post office feels like it makes it quite unafordable :(

    • @BethorInvictus
      @BethorInvictus Месяц назад

      I am following your sponsor, because who doesn't like pirates and mordheim, but shipping of more than half the box price to Europe/EU is awfully steep. Current quote is $45.23

  • @brianjohnson5272
    @brianjohnson5272 Месяц назад +24

    Until GW
    a) goes under
    B) sells the IP in total to a known company who loves the game
    or
    C) starts allowing all old minis to be used
    My wallet stays closed.
    Simple as.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Месяц назад

      Same

    • @russellrains6593
      @russellrains6593 28 дней назад

      This is why I dropped GW and started playing Onepagerules. Free rules, free army builder, points builder for models and units, and I use every mini I own.

    • @warp5p1d3r6
      @warp5p1d3r6 26 дней назад +2

      who stops you using your old minis? even if you play an older edition of the game, no one is stopping you. just don't go to a Warhammer world tournament or one of the official ones in the US if you are there. if GW goes under then your wallet stays shut anyway? good win! and no other company is going to stump up the cash for 40k.

    • @ImperialDiecast
      @ImperialDiecast 26 дней назад

      @@warp5p1d3r6 this is what i do. still in 7th minus the deathstar cheese formations.

    • @warp5p1d3r6
      @warp5p1d3r6 26 дней назад

      @@ImperialDiecast yeah exactly. Play what you want. No need to go into different editions if you don't like them.

  • @Jarlballin123
    @Jarlballin123 Месяц назад +92

    It’s so insulting that after buying the rule book and codex’s they are now completely useless.

    • @scoticvsgossage9378
      @scoticvsgossage9378 Месяц назад +11

      Welcome to the club.
      Made that mistake around 8th.
      Never again

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад +6

      This card deck didn't effect any codex or the rulebook. It's matched play rules for tournaments on top of the base game. The accompanying optional rules update touched one codex in any significant way, and it was one people have been begging to be changed since it's release last year.
      Why do people pretend to be upset about a game they don't play?

    • @rain6353
      @rain6353 Месяц назад +2

      Because they wanna be part of the flock. People will complain about everything. I’ve seen people complain about their codex only for it to be meta af

    • @mikepalmer2219
      @mikepalmer2219 Месяц назад

      Just stop buying it then. I stopped years ago. If I want to play I sue my old stuff. Screw these asshats.

    • @maxmagnus377
      @maxmagnus377 Месяц назад +2

      Even before Pariah Nexus you did already need a mission deck to play, you know that right?

  • @Duppyman695
    @Duppyman695 Месяц назад +95

    My theory is the 40k rules writers think they have to remain relevant to the higher up's. They come into work and immediately change some rules "Look Boss, We made some changes to the changes" They remind me of the coke head at the party that suggests going kayaking at 4 in the morning.

    • @CheffBryan
      @CheffBryan Месяц назад +7

      The best explanation I've heard yet on why they will never solidify stats on what a baseline Guardsmen should be and forming stats for every other unit around how they compare. A reliably consistent baseline would put them out of a job

    • @chillywilly883
      @chillywilly883 Месяц назад +5

      4 am kayaking is pretty sweet though.

    • @drunkplaylists1829
      @drunkplaylists1829 Месяц назад

      sure it does

    • @The_belligerant_servo_skull
      @The_belligerant_servo_skull Месяц назад +7

      ​@@chillywilly883until we run out of coke and energy, in international waters

    • @ScottAT
      @ScottAT 24 дня назад

      That makes perfect sense- that’s what every single Lieutenant in the Army does.

  • @TheDeathplz
    @TheDeathplz Месяц назад +62

    No wonder One Page Rules is taking off ... OPR legitimately brought me back into wargaming, not 40k.

    • @GeneralSturnn
      @GeneralSturnn Месяц назад

      I also made my own edition of 40k I titled 41st millennium.
      You can find it on my wiki called:"Dark Heresy of the Secundus sector"

    • @russellrains6593
      @russellrains6593 28 дней назад

      Same! I floated around the fringes of 40k since 6th ed, but played as far back as 2nd. I stopped in 9th, till finding OPR.

    • @winksley1981
      @winksley1981 26 дней назад

      Same for me bro. Weaponising rules for money ain't for me

  • @dziku2222
    @dziku2222 Месяц назад +10

    Come one, the whole 10th has been a disaster, we don't need a patch for that. Deleting tons of units and the whole forge world army ranges, taking away player agency i how they want to build their army by fixing squad sizes and making those idiotic locked weapons on many squads, where you are not even allowed to pick your gear, taking away the complexity and joy of tinkering on your roster with by removing sub-faction. The whole 10th has been a cesspool since the very begining. To be fair, global rulebook rules seem fine because they make playing itself a bit faster and things like how terrain works is not more clear, but a lot of index/codex rules are badly worded and people ask how things work on reddit and discords all the time.
    Also everyone gets lethal wound and sustained hits as their go to buffs. All armies seems VERY similar to each other these days and it sucked all the atmosphere and soul out of the game. I remember good old times of 5th edition, where atmosphere was so heavy, you would make rolls for your Chaos Lord heroic deeds to see which one out of like 60 chaos mutations he would gain as a boon. There is nothing like that these days. 9th was very fun for me, 8th I liked, but 10th is the edition I'm skipping. Tried a few games and it's not enjoyable anymore.

  • @danepatterson8107
    @danepatterson8107 Месяц назад +14

    Even new editions are referred to as "a tax to keep playing with the stuff you already have."
    I do not understand the people who buy from this company regularly. I gave up on them long ago, and I'm wealthier in coin and in life because I moved on.

  • @RotGolem
    @RotGolem Месяц назад +14

    GW's WH40K lost me a while ago. 9th edition was plagued by Codex bloat and inbalance, 10th edition is plagued by... 10th edition. Rules are plagued, starter kits are plagued, battleforces are plagued, business model is plagued.
    There's so much plague around I'll call it Nurgle edition from now on.

    • @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS
      @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS Месяц назад +1

      I haven't seen the need to update since 6th edition which was okay. It wasn't so bad it needed 4 more replacements.
      Like did they fuck up the first 5 times? Do we really want to give them MORE money?

    • @russellrains6593
      @russellrains6593 28 дней назад

      This is why I dropped GW and started playing Onepagerules. Free rules, free army builder, points builder for models and units, and I use every mini I own

  • @colerape
    @colerape Месяц назад +23

    I have a Warhammer store less than half a mile from my home. I was so excited. I bought the newest rules. I bought a Combat patrol box. I bought a Codex. 6 months later we were given for free the 10th edition. Shocked face!!! (I tried to get into GW back around 3rd Edition and said never again). To hear that they have created a 10.5...not shocked. When I went to talk to my "friendly" local gamestore owner...I found out he he isn't so friendly. I spent over 300 USD in one fell swoop. I hadn't even painted my minis! Frankly I don't even like the rules that much I just wanted to find a wargaming group. I refuse to participate in the corporate greed that is modern GW (same as the old GW) or D&D.

    • @maxmagnus377
      @maxmagnus377 Месяц назад +5

      If you still have the 3rd edition rulebook, codices and an army, I bet you could, with a little bit of effort, find people to play 3rd edition with. I do from time to time, and it's a blast!
      I can only really fault GW for one thing here, and that is having one foot in the future and the other in the past. The second they stop printing their rules physically and going full digital, all of this clamoring stops.
      If they didn't make a new mission deck, people would complain the game gets stale (people did)
      If they didn't invalidate codex points costs by doing much needed balance changes, people would complain (they did)
      If they didn't change core rules as written, cause people found out ways to abuse them after millions of collective games, people would complain (they do)
      Damn near everything but model prices can be fixed with subscription based digital rules and an app that makes for a genuine game companion to keep track of missions & score with, fixing every one of the problems mentioned above. And you know what? People would still find reasons to complain. xD

    • @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS
      @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS Месяц назад

      3rd edition was 'compleat'. Its sort of gone, but I started then and still havent got all my minis fully painted.
      Gw make cool minis, sweet fluff and arse rules. Divorce your interest from their rules.

    • @colerape
      @colerape Месяц назад

      @@maxmagnus377 It was stolen when I was in the service along with much of my collection of Rpgs and Wargames.

    • @russellrains6593
      @russellrains6593 28 дней назад +1

      ​@@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS3rd is my favorite edition. I left Gw and started playing OPR for this reason. I actually love tabletop gaming again.

    • @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS
      @MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS 28 дней назад

      @@colerape Sux that it was stolen.
      Which country you in and how much are you missing, cousin?

  • @maxtracker2904
    @maxtracker2904 Месяц назад +23

    Amazing how you find a scandal every two weeks without fail… 😂

    • @Daemonforge666
      @Daemonforge666 Месяц назад +5

      with out it she would not have a channel. always doom and gloom.

    • @rastamann2009
      @rastamann2009 Месяц назад +6

      @@Daemonforge666 this! The channel only survives on negativity, and the algorithm loves it. It's what mediocre people do.

    • @stevenewman8429
      @stevenewman8429 29 дней назад

      Yes seems to be a talent… but it’s strangely entertaining 😂

    • @thesouthernbearsfan
      @thesouthernbearsfan 29 дней назад

      And then spend nine minutes using dogshit analogies to pimp up the run time before getting to the actual point
      Which usually isn’t that bad

    • @tuomasronnberg5244
      @tuomasronnberg5244 17 дней назад +1

      It's funny when you check her videos page, every thumbnail has her in the same position and a disaster scandal text next to her 😂
      That being said I think she's funny, if not very informative.

  • @NQuick-bn7ts
    @NQuick-bn7ts Месяц назад +13

    I don't like that the three year release window. I don't want to buy $400.00 worth of books every 3 years. How about every 10 years? With Minor updates and new objective games or something like Killzone for smaller variant games updated using the current models within that 10 year period for the larger game. I don't mind buying new models, I don't want soon to be useless rule books.

  • @TryssemTavern
    @TryssemTavern Месяц назад +12

    It's a blend of "Season" and "Building faulty products to ensure they need to buy new stuff."

  • @vorpalhit5952
    @vorpalhit5952 Месяц назад +24

    At this point I'm having to ask, which scandal in particular?

    • @stephenwitham
      @stephenwitham Месяц назад +10

      She's complaining about Pariah Nexus cards. There's no scandal.

    • @SuperDuperHappyTime
      @SuperDuperHappyTime Месяц назад +6

      It’s a tribute to the Algorithm.

    • @brettmclean2770
      @brettmclean2770 Месяц назад +2

      At this point, the scandal is that GW is still in business.

  • @RoseKindred
    @RoseKindred Месяц назад +55

    I am glad I stopped using their stuff, but I miss the art and stories.
    I used to get almost every codex and rulebook I could because of the lore and art. Then the price went up, we got less, and finding the rare time I could play the rules had already become outdated. Just no point in continuing.

    • @hyperbolehyde
      @hyperbolehyde Месяц назад

      It's a very different setting, (and honestly it's quite a lot darker in tone than 40k), but have you taken a look at Malifaux? It has fantastic art and very extensive fluff told via stories.
      While Wyrd does sell these in physical form in their rulebooks, they also produce very well voiced podcast readings of them (search for the Breachside Broadcast) and several youtube channels also discuss the lore from various perspectives if you're interested in seeing what it's like.

    • @redacted5985
      @redacted5985 Месяц назад +4

      play Necromunda and OPR instead 💪

    • @11AleZZ
      @11AleZZ Месяц назад +1

      All codex are copy paste of the previous one, there's no new lore

    • @dziku2222
      @dziku2222 Месяц назад +3

      Sadly new codexes doesn't even get a good art like it used to, most of pictures are reused stuff from older times or those cheap corpo efficient pictures lacking details and portraying 1 guy, because they don't do big battefield scenes anymore. It downgraded so much, I feel like I'm looking into souless "product" right now. What's even more annoying is that rules are done not to show the atmosphere of a faction but for tournament use strictly, where things are gamey and bland, because it's not about the setting, it's about playing efficiently. Tournament players are like less than a 1% of 40k population, and it happens with the cost to the rest of people who just want to enjoy the game together with bunch of their buddies.

    • @Junk_World_Templar
      @Junk_World_Templar Месяц назад +1

      Yeah I was the same, started from Rogue Trader, moved onto 2nd Edition then played until 5th I think it was. Just seemed like the Workshop would find new and unholy ways to fleece their loyal fans on a regular basis, got sick of it in the end.

  • @Mordikay211
    @Mordikay211 Месяц назад +5

    I honestly never understood this tactic GW has of gatekeeping it's own customers and fans. With raising prices and FOMO model I stopped years ago playing, painting and buying minis. Then came the FOMO on the books and codexes and I refuse to pay scalpers. So honestly now I just pirate the audio books and enjoy what I can.
    Don't get me wrong I make pretty decent money but I can't be a PC gamer, MTG player, Warhammer 40k player and support my family at the same time. Maybe it's time to sell my daughter.

    • @ericcook8254
      @ericcook8254 Месяц назад +2

      GWs problem is they set their goals to each item has to make x amount of money so they keep making less and charging more. As long as they have whales and scalpers buying up product much of which is sold out during preorder at the end of the day they don't care they made their share holder money.

  • @noxnox8554
    @noxnox8554 Месяц назад +27

    omg the pirate ad 🤣🤣

  • @miki95f
    @miki95f Месяц назад +8

    I don't have time to look at the cards, I still have to read 33 pages of Core Rules Updates and Rules Commentary, in a language that is not my native language.

  • @JustaGaibroh
    @JustaGaibroh Месяц назад +39

    GW Corporate Poobah: "How many times can we get the customers to re-buy."
    GW Grot: "Yes."
    GW Corporate Poobah: "Issue a new version... and raise prices. Where are we on GW as a subscription (GWaaS)?"

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber Месяц назад +4

      Sure, boss, our tests with miniatures that destroy themselfes after a couple of months look quite promising...

    • @sebastianrubin7476
      @sebastianrubin7476 23 дня назад +1

      The worst part is, as someone who has already sunk way, way, waaay to much money into the hobby - if they simply made rules part of the subscription, and made the app actually work when playing the game, I would subscribe. But they won't, so I won't.

  • @DeathInTheSnow
    @DeathInTheSnow Месяц назад +25

    You are the only journalist that actually criticises GW this harshly, and I think that others should follow your lead rather than just shrug and accept the changes, even though we have been considerably worse off since 10th started.
    I actually think GW are looking to move to a subscription model for the game. You get all the rules, including a certain number of codices for different tiers, with the highest unlocking them all. Once all the books are out for 10th, they'll rapidly switch to 11th, keep the books, but adjust the rules to justify the new edition. This sort of rapid updating of the rules isn't just a by-product of them rushing out 10th early (which they did), but is actually closer to a model they would like to try. Why do I suspect this?
    Well, one thing that subscription services do so much better than the old method is hook in new players with obscene deals. That new Combat Patrol magazine with Hachette is basically doing that, but for minis. Well, guess what, if you commit to a year or two year subscription to a faction, get the codex, and then get the models with it, you can play for that length of time! Updates free! Except that you've just committed to something that costs more than a high-end smartphone every month. The models are yours to keep! And the price comes down significantly if you only want the codex subscription afterwards! And this ties in nicely with all of the cross media promotions they've been doing. WH40K in other games, loads of merch with other companies, and even that Amazon show. That isn't for us. That's for the normies that never played the game or had any interest in the brand. But 9th was waaaaay too complicated, so 10th became dumbed down. Why do you think we use Power Level 2.0? We never wanted it. We knew it would make the rules too hard to balance. It's why no other system does it. And that's why the books have been so poor, trying to make rules fit strict points values when they had freedom and flexibility before. That means either wide points adjustments, or rewriting the entire codex again (Ad Mech, anyone?).
    So what next? How to combat this? How do we make it clear that we hate this, and don't want to engage with such abysmal practices? Simple. Play something else. But other minis. Make our own 40K rules based on the best aspects of each era and edition. I'm standing up to them, and you should too!

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад +3

      Step 1 is to realize you're in a barely-vocal minority. This is the first video saying anything negative about the situation at all.

    • @secutorprimus
      @secutorprimus Месяц назад

      Wahapedia is still a good option, if they move to digital, but continue to scam people by moving to a subscription model.

    • @carysage
      @carysage Месяц назад

      If 10th is "too hard to balance" then why does tournament data suggest that 10 th is the most balanced the game has ever been?

    • @drunkplaylists1829
      @drunkplaylists1829 Месяц назад +1

      thats quite the pointless fan fiction

    • @the98themperoroftheholybri33
      @the98themperoroftheholybri33 Месяц назад +1

      You should watch the outer circle if you want people who give fair and balanced criticism for GW products

  • @Rothgar59
    @Rothgar59 Месяц назад +3

    The vast majority of 40k games i have played have been battles to the death, or self-made narrative games.
    GW is caught in the pushing the content forward for the minority of players who can afford to buy and pay for someone to paint for them the latest meta armies or units.
    It's like MMO games where most of the players are just playing it at a comfortable pace for them, while the few hardcore players have finished the latest game update in a day and then asking for more.

  • @nickolasturner
    @nickolasturner Месяц назад +4

    It’s sad, as a long time player, we went from rare codex updates (ie 3rd ed dark eldar) and a slower edition change where all they needed to do were rules FAQs and a better job keeping codexs updated (which wasn’t great but you at least had time to “get good” with the army/models you had) to this nonsense FOMO/Meta chase, dumbed down rules, huge power creep/codex disparity and blink before you miss it edition changes.
    I love the IP (mainly before the return of Gulliman), the stories and lore but I just can’t help but feel that with each year the soul of the game fades more and more.
    It’s maybe a little sad but my favourite memories of the game come from friendly beerhammer games where the impossible happened, like the tau firewarriors (from when they first came out) beating a blood thirster to death in CC after it changed them and wiffed all its attacks or the time where my imperial guard sergeant passed his bionics rolls for 3 straight turns to get back up and keep fighting a unit of space marine bikers, eventually killing them all but the attached Chaplin.
    These tales and more were passed around my gaming group for years, but I rarely if ever hear these types stories anymore from the 40k players (many are younger,newer players with the veterans moving on).
    I can’t help but think that the state of the game has taken some of the fun away from them and we are all worse for it.
    Sorry for the old man rant 😅

    • @Daemonik
      @Daemonik Месяц назад +1

      Are you secretly me? Sounds like me.

    • @nickolasturner
      @nickolasturner Месяц назад

      @@Daemonik I don’t think so but maybe

    • @russellrains6593
      @russellrains6593 28 дней назад +1

      I love the IP, but can't even keep up with all the story updates spread across codexes, books, etc. add to that the loss of FW models and 'Legends stuff' and m out. Luckily, I found Onepagerules and actually enjoy pushing models around again.

  • @criticalhitwargaming5290
    @criticalhitwargaming5290 Месяц назад +3

    Whilst I do get deeply saddened when my Core Rulebook is immediately invalidated by the first rules pack that drops, the cards don't particularly bother me. The same thing happened in Age of Sigmar with the General's Handbook releases, and usually, I'd played so many games with each one that discovering a new focus (monsters to troops to wizards etc) meant I got to play my army in new ways. A lot of my friends have played hundreds of games of Leviathan, and they're similarly looking forward to a fresh take to change up army composition. For players who play a bit less (me included), enough of the cards are the same that realistically the learning curve is minimal. Additionally, if you're someone who mainly plays with the same person or same group of people, only half of you actually need to buy the deck. A good way to provide yourself a truly balanced experience, particularly when there are a few decks out, is to roll a D6 or a D3 when you turn up to your game. On a 1-3 you're playing Leviathan, and 4-6 you're playing Pariah Nexus, or 1 Leviathan, 2 Pariah Nexus, and 3 whatever the next iteration is. I'll certainly be doing that for casual games - you really do have to build a balanced army for all eventualities that way!

  • @blodknut5595
    @blodknut5595 Месяц назад +2

    Good to see Games Workshop making it even harder for newbies to enter 40K.
    I remember when I took the plunge and ordered online an Imperial Guard army (forking out a good $300AUD) to start my new hobby journey. I had spent a few weeks researching which faction I wanted the rules etc. They never arrived. What arrived was an email from the independent online store advising GW had just established a trade embargo preventing online stores from online
    selling GW products to folk in another country. My reaction -
    "Screw you GW - I will play something else!"
    Some years later Star Wars Legion drops and in I dove. And what a bonus - a game operating from an online living document rulebook -who would have thunk it in the internet age!
    So great work GW - their motto should be "GW - driving players into buying competitor's minis since the 1980's"

  • @scotth4713
    @scotth4713 Месяц назад +4

    Between GW, Catalyst and WotC; I'm just going to play with my old edition material that I already own. Any minis I can 3D print at this point for a fraction of the price. Good bye ideologues and corporatists, I don't need you and refuse you access to my wallet.

  • @chrisleonard2908
    @chrisleonard2908 Месяц назад +10

    Another shameless GW money grab.

  • @gbprime2353
    @gbprime2353 Месяц назад +2

    This is why I'm teaching Learn-to-Play Kill Team at conventions. Few models to buy, fewer rules. And you can play with virtual cards on your phone and poker chips for order counters.

  • @hippogriffgames
    @hippogriffgames Месяц назад +1

    Worse part is the recent balance changes were made in relation to the new mission deck further cementing the need to keep up and buy in if you want to play a fair and balanced game.

  • @SpymasterGaming
    @SpymasterGaming Месяц назад +9

    It might be my old brain but didn't they name a kill team expansion pariah nexus like 3 or 4 years ago?
    Lazy, confusing naming conventions if that's the case.....

    • @jtowensbyiii6018
      @jtowensbyiii6018 Месяц назад +2

      You don't keep up on the lore at all 😂

    • @SpymasterGaming
      @SpymasterGaming Месяц назад +1

      @jtowensbyiii6018 nope....but just saying as a casual consumer its a tad confusing that's all

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад

      So you've also never read a story that had events take place in different areas?

    • @SpymasterGaming
      @SpymasterGaming Месяц назад

      @Optix334 I understand that but having the same product name for different products is a strange decision that's all

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад +1

      @@SpymasterGaming it's not the same product name? Like yes they use the same two words, but it's not really possible to mix up the 6-years out-of-print "Kill Team: Pariah Nexus" with the brand new "Chapter Approved: Pariah Nexus Mission Deck".
      The names are totally different, and are for different games entirely. They also explain exactly what each is for. The only way you mix them up is if you literally see "Pariah Nexus" and blind buy it while being totally unaware of any context for either one of the separate games that the products apply to.
      As an aside, this kind of weirdly involved ignorance is why this video even exists. The names are the same because of the ongoing story. The only way you don't know is if you stopped following the universe for 7 years, and don't play either 40k or Kill Team.There's literally no controversy here and people are mostly happy with the rules update.

  • @Optix334
    @Optix334 Месяц назад +7

    Yeah this isn't at all accurate to the situation. Its a tiny minority of people who actually plays the game that is upset at this. Most players find the changes good.
    Edit: Lol I replied to 4 people pointing out how this is literally just not an issue, and all but one of the replies were removed. Way to prove the point.

    • @ryananderson4614
      @ryananderson4614 19 дней назад +1

      So according to what you said, you spammed the same message that this issue is not an issue by saying not many people think its a problem, your replies don't show up and that is proof that your opinion is correct? The logic is the same as your facts, non-existent.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      The mission deck barely contains any changes, it's $35 dollars for something I essentially already own with the leviathan mission deck. It's a straight scam.

  • @jonasstreich4405
    @jonasstreich4405 Месяц назад +3

    how is the mission deck required for "default" play? It's only "required" for competitive/tournament play. You can keep playing leviathan missions for casual games (or even older missions from previous codices/mission packs - just using 10ed rules).

    • @AvalonRegarnished
      @AvalonRegarnished Месяц назад +1

      Because competitive-lite has always been the default for pickup games with randoms. Casual play where you play with old rules only happens when you have an established game group, which isn't very 'casual'.

    • @Griffonbait
      @Griffonbait Месяц назад +1

      No point in telling her. She is almost always taking the micky out of the whole situation while being disingenuous/misleading in what she is saying in her videos.
      If you are looking for truth, find another channel.
      If you like a laugh, keep coming back here.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      ​@@AvalonRegarnishedexactly this. Everyone acts like we all have friends that play Warhammer. No one I know likes Warhammer and thinks it's boring, I have to play at the local hobby stores with randoms, unless we both agree on playing something different we're playing the current rules and deck.

  • @huffinLeeroy
    @huffinLeeroy Месяц назад +3

    I just wrote my own rules

  • @HeGotsaSnipa2
    @HeGotsaSnipa2 Месяц назад +4

    This is why I'm going with OPR when I get started on tabletop soon

  • @dimitrijleitenberger2668
    @dimitrijleitenberger2668 Месяц назад +2

    Funny enough @Discourse Minis i was not aware that the deck i have has this little pamphlet you just presented... and I was about to play my first 40k game in 10th edition the day after tomorrow. THANK YOU for making me aware that there is a better way to play the game other than the core rule book version.

  • @Wonsoky
    @Wonsoky Месяц назад +10

    a new mission deck once a year or so to fix/update/add missions/deployments/rules is a pretty good thing in my eyes it keeps the game fresh.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      Sure if they actually make some notable changes. Charging $35 dollars for minor tweaks is a joke.

  • @DasBilligeAlien
    @DasBilligeAlien Месяц назад +1

    Gate of Antares second Edition is free to download and most minis are still available as well as an growinig STL library. Its still a very good Bolt Action is space.

  • @terrencemiltner1005
    @terrencemiltner1005 Месяц назад +7

    All the Ya-Harr I can muster, you say? Nice.

  • @slackeratlarge575
    @slackeratlarge575 Месяц назад +1

    I didn’t know this was a thing. Thanks for the heads up.

  • @DarkSanctuaryCinema
    @DarkSanctuaryCinema 27 дней назад

    How to be relatively compatible to GW changes:
    1. Have a Killteam army.
    2. Magnetise all weapons (even torso if you have to)

  • @zombiehaiku7527
    @zombiehaiku7527 Месяц назад +2

    Ooh. You mean the scenario pack has a "one page rules" option?

  • @TylerProvick
    @TylerProvick Месяц назад

    I do enjoy card mechanics in games - up until I realize I need to print a couple of erratas, but not being sure which I need since the last time I printed errata, and realizing I need to now sleeve the rest of the cards so the errata'd cards are not obvious.

  • @manofaction1807
    @manofaction1807 Месяц назад +3

    The technical term is: SHITSHOW.

  • @andrewkennedy9134
    @andrewkennedy9134 26 дней назад +1

    Don't play 10th or even 9th rules. My group plays 3rd or 4th edition rules. Just use the modern models...no issues, and low cost....plus the rules are far far superior. I dont understand why anyone would wilfully allow themselves to be financially exploited in this way. If we treated old grandpa at the care home this way, it would be termed elder abuse and we would get the jail!

  • @mightyspartan4924
    @mightyspartan4924 Месяц назад

    I've never had an issue with this. Both my local game stores, we get a couple copies that everyone shares that the store buys, so it doesn't come out of our pockets.

  • @mikepen0287
    @mikepen0287 Месяц назад

    Eh 10th needed new mission and what to fix it.. though you can use mission cards from 9th and actually fixes some issues on balance with the sudden death cards for the underdog teams.
    Proly can find a set in a store on clearance stil

  • @ScottAT
    @ScottAT 24 дня назад

    lol “I usually brought a knife to guarantee I won” - THE SERRATED SISTER!

  • @shadowkynn
    @shadowkynn Месяц назад

    I for one am very happy they got a new deck out. Ive played so many games with the leviathan deck it was getting stale, I've now played 2 games with the new deck and enjoyed the new twists on them. Plus my opponent didnt need the deck to play, since it contains cards for both players.

  • @savagepatty
    @savagepatty Месяц назад +1

    This is all stuff that should be a free pdf and/or free on the app

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      This is what I keep telling people as everyone seems to want it as a subscription for some reason?

  • @spacehamsterZH
    @spacehamsterZH Месяц назад +1

    Sooo... I'm just going to continue to play home games every few months and ignore most rules updates, like always. They've been doing this "seasons" crap in Age of Sigmar for forever, and it took me all of five seconds to understand that it's something I need to ignore.

  • @SharamNamdarian
    @SharamNamdarian Месяц назад

    I’m currently figuring out how to update my books with an easily sticky note style glue… and also I saw a video that shows you what to update on the new nexus cards and it was quite simple actually

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      Care to tell me what to search to find that video? I don't fancy wasting money on the new mission deck for a couple of minor tweaks.

  • @stevenmcgrath5114
    @stevenmcgrath5114 9 дней назад

    A grass roots solution: have each player group and independent stores standardize rules and play casually .

  • @kaksspl
    @kaksspl 10 дней назад

    I bought Leviathan on release and I still haven't gotten around posting an actual game. Some card deck doesn't bother me at all, since I simply don't have to use it. And thankfully I'm in it for the hobby more than gaming.

  • @TheReviewRevolution
    @TheReviewRevolution Месяц назад

    Like Captain Picard said in First Contact, " The line must be drawn here. This far no further!" Just stop buying it. Say: "this is all the changes to the game we will accept. Stop making what we already bought like decks, codex, box sets irrelevant, because we are done being milked like cattle." If you really believe this is anti-consumer, if you are tired of sinking more money into incompatible supplements, if you are drowning in updates that have less time between release then the last time you blinked then stop buying it.

  • @davidobrien6643
    @davidobrien6643 22 дня назад

    I bought the core book last week and in the mission section it defines the parameters for missions and VP's.
    Essentially you have primary objectives that both players fight over and then secondary faction or army specific missions objectives as well that are outlined in the codices.
    The tactical objectives are a nice twist and secret objectives are a nasty idea as well.
    Parish nexus is a thematic narrative expansion of Warhammer using elements from the original leviathan box set objectives and adding a new flavour. There is no reason you cannot play leviathan rules and they work in gameplay the same way.
    I like these expansions and I suppose there will be more.
    If both players don't have them that doesn't mean your wh40k collection is useless, that is absurd.
    I'm sure not everyone will buy every expansion and I suppose there are certain advantages and disadvantages for factions in each expansion so your army is tested more or your units stretched or your brain taxed to different degrees.
    The objectives really make sense of the battles, rather than were here beating the shit outta everyone there is a more thematic drama and narrative urgency to get things done.
    Line my army the inquisition, sororitas and rogue traders they have secondary objectives of cleanse and sanctify so even if they fail primarily they get 10 points for doing the emperors holy work in the opposing deployment zone, I think adding tactical objectives into the mix is awesome as they are on the way to cleanse and burn they might pick up more points in the meantime.

  • @makdaddi3921
    @makdaddi3921 27 дней назад

    Games Workshop is a miniatures company. Because there are a jillion different models in production... this requires a jillion convolutions in their rules so specific figures have a point to their existence.

  • @knobjob2839
    @knobjob2839 Месяц назад +1

    It really feels like they are catering to people who play all the time. I want to play, but I get too overwhelmed by the rules and special rules, then the updates to all the interactions to the rules etc. I've just resigned myself to a collector/painter.

  • @ao-b2774
    @ao-b2774 Месяц назад +1

    Folks, guess from the title what this is about. Is it about the 'Warhammer scandal' part 4 (of the past 12 videos)? Is it about models, or rules, or just GW being greedy, we don't know because it's a vague clickbait title: it could be on something that was announced yesterday, it could be something announced 2 weeks ago. We don't know: it has the exact same photo of discourse with their hand on their head in the thumbnail as the last video.
    I write this, not as a 'hater' of the content - I love the pro-consumer vent, the sketches were really funny (when was the last one?) - but jeez, I can't bare the clickbait. It's insult to 'is this worth you're time? Click to find out!'. It's as anti-consumer as GW. GW wants my money, clickbait wants my time - the two being somewhat exchangeable. It's so disappointing, there is some great content on this channel, but the titles are so vague as to be off-putting, and the intros so generic I don't know if this is a 'oh hey, this company has done something genuinely awful and I'm going to learn something' or just mediocre 'hey, GW are capitalist shills which you've already heard from everyone else over the past days-weeks'.

  • @brothereldrian9913
    @brothereldrian9913 21 день назад

    It's the same rule that always applies to Warhammer. Play the Edition you want with the people you like.

  • @Mr_Feyshade
    @Mr_Feyshade Месяц назад

    Games Workshop is just trying to make a "subscription" mode for their rules. As long as players buy their rule books and supplements, they will continue.

  • @stochasticagency
    @stochasticagency Месяц назад

    LOL, thanks for the fantastic transition into the kickstarter plug.

  • @nekospaw
    @nekospaw Месяц назад +1

    My favorite game ever was pitting iron warriors (pre-generic chaos undivided change) against a guy with a space wolf army he inherited from someone - it was close, we was both new to the game and just had pure fun, no politics or trashtalk, just teaching each other the finer details of the game and our individual armies. Sadly, we never saw each other again and there was a suspiciously similiar army on ebay the next week :(
    A close second was same army vs orks that basically went down to 2 termies vs a wartrukk - he'd tank shock, i'd miss with power fists due to disadvantage and after a couple of rounds of back and forth, we agreed to call it a draw 🤣 I miss those days tbh.

  • @voidwalkerjoe
    @voidwalkerjoe Месяц назад

    As someone who had never played but is interested in playing at some point and is currently trying to learn what I actually need to play, this is a little confusing and very concerning to me.

  • @lexslate2476
    @lexslate2476 Месяц назад

    I know I always love it when a company decides for me that it's tome for me to give them more money. Definitely doesn't make me want to plan a terrible vengeance.

  • @Blitz0555
    @Blitz0555 Месяц назад

    Did you really complain that in the war game with objectives you need to hold, you can win by holding objectives?

  • @johncolvin2754
    @johncolvin2754 Месяц назад

    I'm so up for some role-playing now! Ty babe x

  • @peterthompson5785
    @peterthompson5785 Месяц назад +1

    Does it not get boring to release a doom and gloom video every 10 days?
    It's low effort garbage the same thumbnail, almost identical titles.

  • @maxmagnus377
    @maxmagnus377 Месяц назад +2

    Digital subscription based rules are the future. I'm sure some people at GW don't want it, as it'll cost some lore writers and artists their job, but a lot of the rules people there have to be aware at this point that paper rules, in a world of quarterly balance patches is not a sustainable model to keep going forward with.

    • @tomeierdam8023
      @tomeierdam8023 Месяц назад

      Been saying this for years. I dont know many if any players who would not pay for warhammer + if they got all the rules on a app.

    • @maxmagnus377
      @maxmagnus377 Месяц назад

      @@tomeierdam8023 I bet there would still be people complaining that it isn't free, if GW does go with a subscription route xD
      But yeah agreed. Myself and everyone I play with would subscribe to just having all the rules, and them always being up to date, in a heartbeat.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      ​@@maxmagnus377it'll be free regardless due to piracy. Charging for some PDF that'll get leaked immediately is ridiculous as they'll hemorrhage money that way.

  • @JawaBob
    @JawaBob Месяц назад +2

    Sorry I'm not with you on this one... New missions and rules are a good thing that keep the active players engaged and playing the game. Without active players there's no one at the store for the casual players to join. Besides, any reasonable player would be perfectly fine with playing the old missions in a pick-up game if you just asked.
    I get the GW hate, but this is not a scandal.

  • @RicketySettra
    @RicketySettra Месяц назад

    Pirate ad lines up with me pirating some rules bahahaha

  • @MMDCLXVI
    @MMDCLXVI Месяц назад

    I'm old enough to remember when a new 40k box was €50, and you got two (small) armies (around 500pts) and a rule book.
    I've wanted to get back into 40K, but the entry cost is just ridiculous. I mean, where do you even start nowadays? You buy the starter box and then need to purchase additional booklets/cards just to have the latest rules actually to play a game.

  • @Lord_Aba
    @Lord_Aba Месяц назад +2

    Spoiler alert: you don't have to buy it.

  • @michaelrossel7339
    @michaelrossel7339 Месяц назад

    500$... you wish. I have a list for guard with around 2000p based on THREE of the combat patrols. I'd pay 740€ with a 20% discount.

  • @The_High_SeAs
    @The_High_SeAs Месяц назад +3

    These cards and codex rules look printable from online sources. Why do people still buy official product.

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад +3

      Because the reality of the situation isn't anywhere near as bad as this video would have you believe.

    • @brainstorm90
      @brainstorm90 Месяц назад

      because most people get into warhammer by going into a wh store or a local gaming store, and they get pressured to buy stuff they don't need... most people don't do enough research before buying

    • @Optix334
      @Optix334 Месяц назад +2

      @@brainstorm90 and instead of quitting when these totally real people don't like it... They just keep playing?
      I'll go with Occam's razor and just say people like the game and the issue in the video is made up for attention.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Месяц назад

      ​@@Optix334 simp harder, sugar boy...

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      ​@@Optix334the stock price is an absolute mess and has been all over the place for a few years, the players aren't just happily playing and plenty of people have already jumped ship, I've seen people all over the internet claim they're moving on to something else or OPR.

  • @timalder8940
    @timalder8940 Месяц назад +5

    Backed Port Royale, it looks great

  • @SanteeDakota
    @SanteeDakota Месяц назад +11

    Wow, that ad read was... amazing. who knew a beard would work so well for you?

  • @daniel9622
    @daniel9622 Месяц назад +1

    Oh my god, a company that wants to make money. Outrageous!

  • @Sevarrius
    @Sevarrius 26 дней назад

    I miss 3rd edition, I miss spending hours crafting my army list, customising the wargear, weapons, upgrades etc. of every single unit, I miss the depth and complexity of it and I particularly miss the stability and longevity of it. Current 40k and the relatively short timespan between entire new editions and need for a large expenditure as a result just does not appeal to me in the same way.
    In spite of that I've been toying with the idea of getting back into the hobby for years but frankly it's the cost of Games Workshop stuff now that's the real barrier for re-entry for me.

  • @lilv3966
    @lilv3966 Месяц назад

    I feel like this entire rant misses the point that you play whatever version of the game your opponent agrees to. Nothing is mandatory and only you and your opponent decide what’s default and what you want to play.

  • @frandeastora2128
    @frandeastora2128 Месяц назад +1

    I bought the new Age of Sigmar box to get started with the game and at this point in Games Workshop's history it feels like betting €200 on horse racing

  • @Kreated_by_khaos
    @Kreated_by_khaos Месяц назад

    500 for a army wtf , a combat patrol is like $300 to 400 these days in australia

  • @xrich1577
    @xrich1577 Месяц назад

    Im just getting into WH40k and i don’t own the core rules yet. Can I buy the revised 10 core rules that were just released? I don’t want to buy the already obsolete core rules printed last year.

    • @timothyharnedy4495
      @timothyharnedy4495 Месяц назад

      No, you cannot. Nor will you be able to buy an updated version of any codex.

  • @colinplatt1963
    @colinplatt1963 Месяц назад +2

    So, GW have successfully monetized their game in a way that WOTC failed to?

    • @cidtheslayer1
      @cidtheslayer1 Месяц назад +1

      If successful, you mean turning consumers off your product little by little...

    • @colinplatt1963
      @colinplatt1963 Месяц назад

      @@cidtheslayer1 I'm sorta torn about this actually: WOTC inspired an instant revolt, GW fans seem much more determined to keep giving money to GW...

    • @Ryan3d
      @Ryan3d Месяц назад

      What did WOTC tried ?

  • @jaiamos2019
    @jaiamos2019 Месяц назад +1

    I love clickbait videos
    This was a very needed change there will always be changes that people don’t like. Even though my army got hit fairly hard “astra mill” I’m still incredibly happy with the changes

  • @skazkatzroy3444
    @skazkatzroy3444 Месяц назад +3

    So tired of this rules churn.

  • @greybeardgamer2067
    @greybeardgamer2067 Месяц назад

    Emperor forgive you if you lose a card or three. I'm not anti-card, but after 40 years of gaming, I have tons of games I can't play because I'm missing pieces. I can still play (and sell on the secondary market) games that only needed the rulebook to play.

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 Месяц назад +1

    It would be nice if places with 150-200 players could get more then 16 of the pariaha nexus card sets. Like at least let us buy like 50-70. So half the people have it

  • @lilv3966
    @lilv3966 Месяц назад

    This sounds like you don’t go to tournaments 10 months into a mission deck’s life.

  • @scotsbillhicks
    @scotsbillhicks Месяц назад

    These primary and secondary missions. It reminds me of the muddle you get into when playing Malifaux. It has different missions for each faction? But I seem to recall a lot of Malifaux is now app based. Please be gentle; not played it for a long time.

  • @EdgarAllanPoon
    @EdgarAllanPoon Месяц назад

    GW really needs to change the way they do things. I'm fucking sick of buying a 60 dollar codex and having it be completely fucking invalidated not even months but WEEKS later. It is so fucking frustrating.
    I love this universe and this game, but they make it harder and harder with everything they do.

  • @kevindiaz7710
    @kevindiaz7710 Месяц назад

    One rulebook, army supplement Codex and the modeling aspect...

  • @Nozomivamp
    @Nozomivamp Месяц назад +2

    to be honest unless your playing a competitive game nobody is gonna care what mission deck your playing. If your opponent really cares then let them buy it. They should've added more variety in them but at the end of the day fudge GW use whatever you want

    • @Griffonbait
      @Griffonbait Месяц назад

      No point in telling her. She is almost always taking the micky out of the whole situation while being disingenuous/misleading in what she is saying in her videos.
      If you are looking for truth, find another channel.
      If you like a laugh, keep coming back here.

  • @MrWiwl
    @MrWiwl Месяц назад +2

    Maelstrom rules exists from 7th
    OmG gW pUt SoMeThInG tHaT bRoKe ThE gAmE.
    Absolute troll of a person, this has existed for YEARS at this point to stop the game simply being a deathmatch where whoever goes first leafblowers you off the board.
    They updated these decks regularly through 8th and 9th changing both the rules and thematics as things like the indomitus campaign continued.
    Nothing but a clickbait rage youtuber screaming GW bad.

  • @joshdown-wc7po
    @joshdown-wc7po Месяц назад +1

    Love your content, but I think you might have blown this one out of proportion. There’s nothing stopping you from mixing the cards or still playing leviathan missions if your opponent agrees. The only time you would be “forced” to use them is if you went to a tournament. I get it though we’ve known gw is like this for a long time and we still buy there toys and still play thier games. I’m still going to watch your videos though I find them very informative and they shed light into the dark closets of gamesworkshop.

    • @Griffonbait
      @Griffonbait Месяц назад +1

      No point in telling her she is wrong. She is almost always taking the micky out of the whole situation while being disingenuous/misleading in what she is saying in her videos.
      If you are looking for truth, find another channel.
      If you like a laugh, keep coming back here.

  • @racerguy180
    @racerguy180 Месяц назад +1

    Yeah, I'm totally done with "official" 40k.
    30k is where it's at for me

  • @user-qi1jc1yn3o
    @user-qi1jc1yn3o Месяц назад

    I imagine that the next edition of Blood Bowl will land in October because apparently it needs new rules or something like that 😢

  • @euanthompson
    @euanthompson Месяц назад +1

    So in fairness to GW on this one, they did say they would do this, which was weirdly open of them.
    But also, it is technically optional. The only reason it isn't is the player base says it isn't.
    I used to play at a club, and played every week. These refreshes were nice. Now I play semi-regularly and I won't be switching.
    If I rocked up at a store to play (not that you can do that anymore) and someone insisted on using the new stuff, the card set has 2 players worth so I can just use that persons.
    The reality is this is more down to the community being a bunch of simps who think GW can do no wrong, more than GW insisting on us doing something. They don't have to.

  • @jonathanowen9917
    @jonathanowen9917 Месяц назад

    Todd Howard approves this new pack of cards. Nothing is more appealing to Big Corp. than getting the consumer to rebuy the same product repackaged as something new repeatedly over the course of a few years (or even a decade). Side note: we need more videos with the pirate in them 🏴‍☠️⛵️🌊🏝

  • @crsmith6226
    @crsmith6226 Месяц назад

    I mean… I get it but also no one is forcing you to play the new decks. You can always just not do that.

    • @Griffonbait
      @Griffonbait Месяц назад +1

      No point in telling her. She is almost always taking the micky out of the whole situation while being disingenuous/misleading in what she is saying in her videos.
      If you are looking for truth, find another channel.
      If you like a laugh, keep coming back here.

  • @joshuagannon6566
    @joshuagannon6566 Месяц назад

    Hmm wonder what scale the Port Royal minis are. Have to admit, it'd be almost worth it to get enough of them to have an army of Carribean pirates standing in as standard infantry for Imperial Guard. Pair them with Age of Sigmar's Steam Tank standing in for Leman Russ tanks. Yes...

    • @Cubannerd
      @Cubannerd Месяц назад

      28mm. Same minis and scale as Blood & Plunder.

  • @sunidaze
    @sunidaze Месяц назад

    When the pirate costume came out, I thought this video was going into a different direction.

  • @brettmclean2770
    @brettmclean2770 Месяц назад

    Wait, I thought you said the new Nexus deck was largely a replication of the Leviathan deck. How does that invalidate the Leviathan deck? Seems more like it's a largely pointless purchase if you already own the Leviathan deck, unless you just have to have those few new cards.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 19 дней назад

      The balance changes are based around the new missions, sure you can still use the old ones but it won't work as well