Donning hoplite armour
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2016
- How long does it take a hoplite to get ready for action? Watch one incompetent one time himself as he dons his panoply.
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Some game systems have rules on how long it takes to put on armour. Here I give you some practical hints as to how long it actually takes. Yes, the sword and shield are just mock-ups, but the time it takes to take them up is probably about the same as the real thing.
Was this really shot in ancient Greece? No, it was a park in Gosforth, near a primary school and with aircraft flying overhead and a breeze just strong enough to create constant rustling of leaves and occasional wind noise on the microphones.
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Purple cloak... that must have been one rich hoplite!
Or he plundered on the battlefield
Spartan soldiers were famous for their Phoenician purple cloaks, among other things.
Toby V. Spartan hoplites were of a much higher social status than those from other Greek cities. This is because Sparta’s citizenry was largely upper class with a huge slave population while the other Greek states drew hoplites from the middle class.
QualityPen other city states drew hoplites from their middle and upper classes alike, being part of a militia was seen as citizen privilege for those who could afford the armour. Hesiod writes a lot about the mix of classes in the archaic period. Saying that Spartan armies were of a much higher status than other Polis armies is a bit dismissive. While Spartiates (the true spartan citizens who were bred to be warriors) were the bulk of the force they did also mix in a phalanx with Periokoi, and eventually used Helots for skirmishes. To compare the social status of Sparta with other cities it's a bit of a challenge given that all male citizens were ruled in all aspects of their life from birth, destined to be a warrior.
Sadly not. You can see it's tyrian purple which was the most expensive. Purple dye made from red and blue has been used for thousands of years, tyrian purple is made from tens of thousands of snails and has a distinct reddish purple colour and a fishy smell.
4:35 A stray arrow flies past
What are you doing here?
Yeah, what are you doing here
@@Krokok do not question the animated one
HEY What the FUCK are you doing here?
hmm 4 years ago and people are just now finding this comment
Archimedes would have loved having Lindy around!
He could have thrown away his mirrors and used Lindy's legs to blind the enemy...
HAHAH NICE ONE BRODIR
Stu is the one
Wouldn't that cape be stupendously expensive?
Who cares you've got enough money for armour, you've got enough money for purple!!!
im sure the price of comfort on a long military campaign is well, well worth it
He was talking about the color, since purple dyes were highly expensive back in the day.
"My green cape isn't very comfortable, if only it was purple" said no historical character ever.
To give some perspective one pound of purple-dyed silk cost you 150,000 Denarii. Gien that 12,000 Denarii would get you one pound of silk, thats 138,000 Denarii for the dye. Thats roughly £345,000.00 today. Although, that figure is probably highly inaccurate as it's hard to find a accurate measure of how much a Denarii was worth.
Abyssaljam it's Denarius, Denarii is the plural
Did all hoplites have legs this white? Was it a secret weapon to scare the Romans off.
That's why they wore the greaves, to protect their shins from getting tanned.
Maybe it was a secret weapon, just like the shields in Solomon and Sheba, just it wasn't their highly polished shields but their extremly white legs that reflected the sun.
The greeves primarily use was to protect the legs from the sun, so that in the early beginning, of the battle, they tore of the greeves and blinded their foe. That is why blitzkrieg actually was a greek tactic, long forgotten.
the light glaring off their legs burned down many a roman ship, Lindy is such a consummate reenactor that he has to warn the Maritime and Coastguard Agency whenever he goes to a beach, as to not disrupt shipping.
Didn't he mention somewhere that only one of use should mention his white legs. We can be grateful the hoplites didn't have nuclear pommels or we would all be dead.
This is why so many ancient Greeks preferred velcro.
Im a college student. Its 8 PM on a Friday night. I could be hanging out with friends, being social or really doing anything, however I am watching a man time himself as he puts on armor. Night well spent.
Nobody asked
loser in more ways than one
@@lxz9929 he wasn’t answering you he was telling you,
@@lxz9929 I wish you the best in your recovery to being a functioning non-asshole
Hey have you graduated yet
I'm trying to picture Lindy's reaction to being called Robin Hood in full hoplite gear lol
A very English befuddlement I'm sure. I'm experiencing something similar myself.
If this was truly a accurate set of Greek hoplite armor Linybeige would be half naked with a glistering six pack and a big red cape.
Everybody knows that Zack Snyder's *"300"* was the most accurate documentary ever made!
Do you really want to see Lindybeige in a leather jockstrap? The only six pack on show would be cans of lager. Besides, given how white his legs are and they see the sun (shorts, dresses, etc), his chest would be even whiter.
It is a historical fact that the ancient greeks blinded the persians with their shinny white legs. Hence why Xerxes threatened to blot out the sun with his arrows.
War Elephant and War Rhino too?
HAdrian builtawall
X-D
lindybae
"but I did not expect to hear...
LINDYBEIGE!"
StygianEmperor
Exactly! I'm sure it will happen sometime.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but those Romans were declining war, not declaring it. I guess that explains why you took off your armour so quickly afterwards.
Most underratet comment here!
bellum, belli, bello, bellum, bello, bellum
bella, bellorum, bellis, bella, bellis, bella
@@cnoxey6898 Whats the exact translation of that?
@@aurilius8145 Its the declination of "bellum", the latin word for war. It roughly translates to Nominative "the war", Genitive "the war's", Dative "the war", Akkusative "the war", Ablative "the war" ('Ablative is hard to translate, given that there is no equivalent in english) . The second line is the declinition in plural. Note that i have only declinated bellum in the e-declinition (neutrum), because bellum is in latin grammatikally neutral as a word. Lindy declinated it here in all three Genus (or Geni?, dont know the plural), which does not really make sense in a grammatikally way.
Basically the pun is that the romans are not declaring war, they are just listing the different case-forms of war, which, in Latin (and Greek) is called declinig.
@@cnoxey6898 Could you translate the Ablative as something like "from the war"?
@@aracheldra8763 Yes, typically, when translating an ablative without context, it would be translated as by, with or from so by, with, from, war
3:51 GAH thank god you were wearing your ancient greek underwear.
don't want to see Lindy's beige
Uptoga?
you are pale!.....
Panty shot! Just like my Chinese cartoons!
Lindybits.
Quality acting, lindy, youre truly have a future in hollywood
The historical inaccuracies in Hollywood films would make him go berserk
Not really Berserk cause it was inaccurate going Beserk itself, unless it's a pun.
BESERKER!!! ^omnomnomnoms on shield^
5:03 That's a very charming camera angle.
You pervert
I wasn’t paying close attention and I nearly suffered a stroke at 6:13 thinking that Lloyd starting feverishly lashing that string around his actual niblet.
Ahahah same. I was like damn, it cant be that cold out 🤣
I never thought I would see an upskirt of Lindy's beige. / _ /
Nobody thought it would happen, and simply put, that IS why it happened.
the logic doesnt quite follow there, dan. but i cant blame you, because i too would be a bit shaken up after seeing what i can only describe as very white thighs.
In Afghanistan, I kept the left side of my plate carrier strapped so that I could just slip it on with ease and only worry about velcroing the other side. I imagine this would also work for the Greek cuirass.
"We are under attack! First, I must write my memoirs!" This episode was too good, hoplite armor is ruthlessly utilitarian!
This is his 300k subs leg reveal 😂
Hey, now. Let's not objectify the man.
- no feminist ever.
sineupp I identify as lindy's legs and i am very offended
Clearly, you don't know many feminists then sineupp. :P
um, no obviously sineup is qualified to speak on behalf of all feminists ever. who tf do u think u are? 😕
L iam I'm just going to go ahead and give you a +1 for that comment. I found that funny! :D
LindyBeiege, when I was taking a Firefighter I-II class, we trained in donning and doffing our gear. My instructor had us go from basic school clothing (jeans, t-shirt, underwear, socks and shoes) to full turnout gear (Boots, pants, gloves, coat, hood and helmet.) We were given one minute to don all this gear. Then, in addition to this, we were given an extra 20 seconds to don our mask and SCBA. When I first tried to don my gear, I got 1m 52s.... without mask and SCBA. With practice however, I was able to don everything at somewhere around 1m 4-5s. I think I did better once however I will give the best score to a fellow class who donned in everything with inhuman speed at 47-49s.
Now this was albeit done with our gear laid out in front of us. Though after a time, we adapted to putting our gear in specific places, therefore making it easier to don it. I put it to you that many soldiers who must be prepared quickly for battle did this in a similar way and could don there armor much quicker.
All that aside, good luck finding your mates and putting the good fight to the Romans.
There's making vids and there's fighting nature, breathing a fire that has overcome all man and beast throughout.
You should roll the metal so it doesn't chop off your foot, then add the sheepskin for extra comfort.
Unlike southerners, who'd get shagged by the sheep and take it to a fancy coffee shop.
laughed too much at they're declaring war, Latin gcse was useful for once
Have a gold star. About 1% of viewers will get that gag.
I must admit that I'm part of the 99%. Please explain it to me.
+Bosk Boskson The chanting was all the various grammatical cases of the word "bellum" which means war in Latin.
Yes please.
Ouch.
Those lindyLegs.....
Dat Lindy underwear.
deez lindy nuts?
gamiezion
"Let's get to bashing butts, as well as deeeez nuts!"
Speed-dressing is about to become the rage among historians everywhere.
I guess that face on the shield is the ancient equivalent of our modern day trollface?
I'm a medieval archery instructor from Nottingham and I thought I was on the receiving end of excessive Robin Hood jokes!
beautiful british tan
Yep.
You can tell a man's trade and beer drinking by his "British tan"!
Takes twice as long as the minuteman :p
Yes but the Greeks didn't call the shooting of 5 people a "massacre" so it's swings and roundabouts.
Dylan Greene with the population of the city at the time that was the equivalent of a major massacre by today's standards
But... Wouldn't a minuteman only have to get his musket (possibly a melee weapon as well), and a powder flask?
I don't see what else he'd really need apart from that. So I find it quite understandable that this takes longer.
*****
What terrible logic, the death of 1 in a village of 2 is not a massacre.
if thats a massacre then why is the battle of wounded knee not a holocaust?
You should really get a tan so that you are more of a beige color.
@Pacem Terris, it sure is, but we all know how Lindy feels about beige.
For a second there I thought you were saying that you heard somebody say Lindybeige in the park.
Didn't know Robin Hood is Greek. The more you know...
eoplite?
*Ρόβιν Οὕδ =Π
Ρόβιν Ͱοὕδ?
+Kram1032 The Ͱ is redundant with the breathing mark and minuscule
You misheard.... It was "Mommy! Mommy! Look a snowman!"
Wow! Wonderful video! I seriously loved it. And shooting it in a park! Wow. I could never. I would be very embarrassed. But well done, you truly are a hoplite warrior. With no shame.
Last time I was this early he was actually wearing beige.
Oh they are DECLINING the noun "war" through all of its case forms!
They wut?
Huehuehue Latin uses different forms of the same word to convey meaning within a sentance. Like English has that `s suffix at the end to mark possesion. "Michael`s car" for instance. Latin just has a whole lot more endings each with their own meaning. It`s called "declination" when you list all of these forms.
Nebojsa Galic
Ah, I see.
Thanks for the explanation.
Forget the white legs, I'm more Impressed you can fit into gear you made when you were 17!! I couldn't even get me fist through the neckmpart of my secondary school jumper! Top marks for staying teenage slight! And top marks to your panoply, yes it's not made out of bronze, but looks very authentic (loving the spartiate aspis too!)
Always enjoy these videos.
Shouldn't you have a bit of leather wrapped around your wrists? I'm pretty sure real hoplites had leather bits at their wrists. Do your research.
leather bracer troll alert!
Einomar and I would have gotten away with it too!
Solid work OP. Really niche trolling, that ;)
Could someone explain the joke please?
Huehuehue Lindy gets very angry when you get your historical ideas from fiction. The only basis for believing that greeks/romans wore bracers is that they inexplicably always wear them in movies.
Ramsay Gordon: "This chicken so fkin raw that it looks like Lidy's legs!!!!" =)
Only been watching your vids for a few weeks love em dude.
It's really cool that you do stuff like this, I'm so tempted to switch majors and just study the classics.
Reminds me a bit of being in the military trying to get into MOPP-4 gear. The standard to get it on is eight minutes but I seem to recall it being MUUUCH shorter than that in practice. It was never enough time, the damn rubber boots never wanted to go over your regular ones and it took forever to make that work.
Well that's clearly the first LindyHopLite I've seen so far.
just as we're learning about greek hoplites in my uni class. perfect, thank you lindy!
Entertaining and informative; good job!
I was surprised it only takes a couple of minutes. Also, loved how Lindy's wearing his helmet at 6:51, as if impersonating Pericles (who is always portrayed this way)!
Wearing a cloak on top of the armor actually makes a lot of sense when marching, both in hot and in cold weather (although the Greeks wouldn't fight much during the winter, if at all).
Nice shade of eggshell white you got going on there, lloyd.
What about the water bottle!? you forgot the water bottle! You silly silly man!
Fun video. You have given me an idea for SCA. You were quite quick on the putting on and off of that outfit.
When you want to make something sound like it's from the left, you don't make the right channel quieter, you make it very slightly delayed
Love your videos :)
I don’t think the Ancient Greeks had the color purple... but that cape does look amazing!
They did but by God was it expensive. The dye was made by a certain type of snail if I remember correctly and was traded largely by the phonetians. There's a reason purple is the color of royalty and that's because they were usually the only ones who could afford it. For lindy to be wearing this in real life would either make him a king, a ridiculously wealthy merchant, or a member of one of the aforementioned men's retinue.
it is true that it was made from a certain type of snail, but i remember watching a video that explains the reason there where no flags at the time with the color purple. the man in the video goes to say that it it because the color was not invented at the time.
you could be right though
Elan Cochavi yeah I suppose it would come down to what period it was. Armor like that was in use for quite a long time and I wouldn't be suprised if it was invented in that time frame. If lindy is fighting Romans though, I would imagine it would have been invented by then. At this point, Carthage was the last bit of the Phonecian culture so they're well on their way out by now. As for flags, it would be hard to imagine anyone being rich enough to put purple on any sort of national flag due to how many you would have to make. We are only able to do as much due to the invention of synthetic dyes.
Ben Chandra good point
i cant believe how white your legs are!!
Drat, I was too late...
for a second there I thought that it was his chest at 6:12
Motorsagmannen dark skin is ugly and only for slaves
i see white skin, i'm triggered.
This is my all-time favorite Lindy Beige episode.
Amusing and instructive. Thanks Lindy.
But I was looking forward to your dactylic hexameter!
Thanks Rome...
that armour looks like it's made of paper
Yeah
Leather and/or linen. Can't remember. He has a video(s) about this kit.
Watch Lindy's video on the word Linothorax, thats where im thinking you should go
The Chinese made armor out of paper, maybe Lindy could make a video about that.
@DJlawson1000: The video is titled "Hoplite cuirass", but searching for "Linothorax" did also find it.
It's very nice of a cameraman to go back in time and interview Greek citizen
That Starship Troopers' reference. Would never have expected Lindybeige to be one to watch that sort of film, haha. Epic.
And now for something completely different: a britishman in hoplite panoply.
Hoplite armour speedrun any% world record
Liked the Goon show quip. Enjoy all your stuff as well of course.
Always in equal parts informative and amusing.
English Chorus™: "Vi-KIIIIIIIIIIINGS!!!"
Did you beat the Romans?
Well, he returned from the battle ... ;)
That doesn't mean he won
*with* his shield, at that. Impressive.
He came back with his shield, but thankfully not on it.
He *stuffed* the Romans!
Winter is coming. And you got the perfect natural camouflage
"You might be familiar of this concept from the film Starship troopers". Best line I've heard this week XD
how strong are those strings? it seems easy enough to cut loose alot of armor sets
Your legs are very white there, Robin Hood.
It never ceases to amaze me at just how gaudy the ancients like their color combinations.
really nice kit, i like the vibrancy of it contrasted with what filmmakers think soldiers looked like (which they think everything a bit grimy)
Finally. I've always wanted to see Lindybeige in a dress.
Do you know if they went to war wearing their cloaks?
To war, yes, but in battle, probably not.
on long marches yes however into battle, no.
The Spartans wore their cloaks in battle, I believe. Might be wrong. Someone else can google it.
Like Hector ?
+A survivor Simply being Greek didn't make you are superior fighter, it isn't about spear or shield walls or a cloak not being an easy target, think about it if someone was in a position where the most effective thing they could do was grab your cloak that is what they would do (wearing a cloak isn't going to stop someone from stabbing you) if there is no cloak to grab there is no target therefore nothing they can do . . . pretty simple logic, if something presents a risk (however large or small) you would not willingly use that thing . . . . if you had to fight in an environment (like in very cold temperatures) where wearing a cloak or furs (or both) was stopping you from freezing you might choose to fight in one but when it is not needed you don't use it
I loved the ancient Hoplite war music you played during it.
Thank you Lindy, i needed this!
This is by far my most favorite video you've put up in your channel. And the lack of pigment in your skin really drives the point that you're British. :3
That being said, I know you got that helmet AGES ago, but I have to ask why didn't you want a crest or the like? Also, have you considered painting your greaves bronze to match your helmet and the scales?
Also, wouldn't fighting Romans in a Corinthian be a bit anachronistic? Why not Persians or other Greeks, considering your helmet?
Right; I imagine there'd be rather few Corinthian helmets in use by even the fourth century.
:chuckles: It is part of our heritage as Englishmen to take at least a week in the sun to tan up to white :D.
I've always wondered, how come the name Nikolas Lloyd? Nikolas isn't the most traditional English spelling, and Lloyd is Welsh. I'm curious.
Painting things with metallic paint never looks right. Besides, they are real metal, so I don't need to.
In regard to his noticeably reflective legs I will refrain from making an ass of myself...
Wait I'm American no I won't THE BEACONS HAVE BEEN LIT! GONDOR CALLS FOR AID!
I remember your Greek kit from your early videos. Fun stuff. Id love to see videos about the leather cuirass, and how you made your spear.
'Hello. You find me today beeing ancient greek.' is an awesome start into a video!
That is pretty fast. Though I would not trust that knot to hold the armor, specially when I am fighting. Maybe I would be the weird one in ancient Greek XD
I've worn this for days at a time, and it has never come undone.
You win, then :D
Lindybeige you would make for the best teacher ever. Even if it wasnt history, you could be teaching differential geometry, and i would still just be enthralled.
I'm more concerned with it getting severed. seems like if I knew someone had armour held together with a flimsy string on the front like that I'd take any opportunity to slice at it.
Well, you have a shield for that.
And it seems like a waste of my time. His spear arm is unarmored
That's a nice kit you got there, however a pommel would probably shatter that shield into a thousand pieces
Little known fact: the greeks employed spandau chariots mainly to deflect incoming pommels. they also mounted katanas on the wheel axle and used them in sieges to cut through city walls.
that's very smart and probably the only thing they could do against those Romans and their Bren guns
They sure used them well to gun down the Fren- I mean Gauls.
your panoply of hoplitae is very cool Lindy
I, for one, noted the Goon Show reference. Well played, sir, well played.
Do you think it would be suitable to have help from somebody else with this equipment to get it all in place faster?
Vase paintings show men donning their own armour.
yeah, I wasn't suggesting that outside help would be common.
It seems like it would be a too many cooks in the kitchen kind of scenario
The Romans might be willing to assist him in getting back out of his armour.
The most pale man in the ancient world.
i love your shield very very detailed
based and lindy ! i love the dactylic hexamete and starship trooper refference
Hop-light or hop-lee-tay?
In English, Hop-light. In Greek Hop-lih-tace depending on whether you're speaking koine, classical, modern, etc. Historical pronunciation is kind of a mine-field.
Depends if you are speaking English or a attempt at reconstructing a language that no one quite knows how to pronounce properly. Also, remember: the jungle is neutral, and if there are enemy behind you, they are surrounded.
I don't know. It's all greek to me.
Xaoc2sqaure
If you speak English: it's "hop-light," more than anything else.
Were one to pronounce every loan word by its origin, they would oscillate between sounding like a drunk Frenchman and a mad radio that never settles on a channel.
Oh god, have those pasty legs EVER seen sunlight?
Do you want him to get skin cancer?
Too much sun might cause melanoma, but too little sun is bad for you as well. You need your dose of Vitamin D.
Does sunlight protects against spears? No! Who even NEEDS sunlight?
Vitamin D is overrated.
You don't need the sun for vitamin D, you can get plenty of vitamin D from your diet.
Thanks recommendations, very cool
One of my favorite videos
is he wearing anything under that tunic...?
Would you wear anything under your t-shirt?
Pretty sure he's inquiring about the loincloth. well, look closely if you want to find out.
90hijacked more specifically, 3:51
Rochyan well fortunatly im not brave/curious enough to find out.
but damn hes white. hed stick out like a sore thumb in an actual greek regiment
I'm British and even I'm not that white. It looks like he rolled around in some flour.
dem legs
Didn't think today would end with seeing a LIndybeige upskirt.
Not bad, and it a good idea for defense. Here in the USA, we had a similar concept during the Revolutionary War. We called that general group of militia men the Minute Men. They were so called because they were trained to have their combat gear ready and be out the door to meet up with the others within a minute. They had less armor though so I am sure it was a bit easier, ha. Armor that can be easily taken off and put on is not useful for muskets.
you have legs!?!?!?!
For the love of god! Get some sun on those legs!
Posted before I got to 5:23......
being your neighbour must be endless fun :) watching you make this would be helarious. good job :)
WHY IS THIS SO REMARCABLY ENTERTAINING!?
You can't be a Hoplite. You don't have a teenage boy to bug......errrrrr show the ways of the world to.
best comment here. you're awful.
But right. So right.
jlastre What?
Blaxican_Gabe
Every Ancient Greek was a paedophile.
Minute Science Intriguing...
Worst Robin Goodfellow costume I've ever seen.
Seriously Lloyd, we expected better from you.
The first Lindybeige video I saw
Nice work.