There are several factors that has to be considered 1. Accuracy of census the number might be lower since cracking slabs has become common place and labels are not always submitted. 2. Print runs just because it's modern does not mean it's more than copper age books. 3. Ultimate fallout 4 was kept in polybags which limits the possibility of ultra high grades. 4. Demand as long as it is more than supply can maintain the value. A crash in new mutants 98 can happen if collectors dump their books after movie hype died down. But this is common knowledge.
Back in 1974 (I'm old) I had a movie soundtrack L. P. worth (1974 dollars) $150-$200 on the collector's market. Not long ago I checked its' current value: $150-$200.
Great video! I almost bought a new mutants #98, 9.8 this weekend, dealer had $1500 on it. He wouldn’t go lower than $1400 so I passed. I checked comps later and found I could grab one all day for like $1200 which I thought was too high as well. I agree with you, prices are going to continue to drop, good stuff today on this one!
Good they deserve it. Speculators have screwed up the hobby as far as i'm concerned, and the one of the reasons why it was easy for me to get out of it. But I got back into. Nothing p***** me off. More than having to pay. 50 bucks for a $5 or $10 book. That somebody thought what's going to be worth so much money, so they got it graded. And now they charge a stupid price for it, because they want their money back for getting it graded. Just for me to release it from the plastic coffin. Sure, Hulk, 181. It should be graded but a twelve year old book should not be a thousand damn dollars.
They always do, collecting shouldn't be about making money. Not saying that rare items shouldn't have value but once people start to look at it as an investment it ruins everything about a hobby.
I've been buying some Upper Deck Marvel Platinum cards lately, that set is fire. I got numbered cards lower print stuff like a /35 Beast & Black Bolt and a /33 Herc and some others. Probably send them off to CGC soon. Was gonna buy a /10 gold or /5 amber but those have probably been inspected and have little chance at gemming.
Something to note outside of census, which is inherently flawed, is print runs -- using your example of Spawn 1 vs NM98 that's ~1.5 million vs ~300k in terms of printed books. Sadly these are best estimates since, to my knowledge, official print run numbers are not shared. This would align with NM98 being ~5x the cost of Spawn 1 as Spawn 1 was printed and sold 5x as many copies.
I thought the same thing about Hulk #181. A lot of supply and lot of demand ..not a rare book but everyone wants it !!! I'm waiting for a 9.8 to come down to $5000.00 🤣🤣
I will never understand collecting and worrying about the value. Collect things because you want them, pay the price you are willing to pay and stop worrying about the rest. If you are purchasing things in hope that someday they will go up, then maybe you should look for better ways to invest money. I collect music, CDs and LPs for one reason and only one. To listen to them. I pay what I am willing to pay and up or down it has no effect on why I purchased it. For those items that people are asking crazy prices for, learn to let it go. You will not die.
Dude, comic books should not be an investment, it's hobby. If you can get something for your collection after a few years, great but that shouldn't be your overall purpose. How can you call yourself a comic book collector if you're slabbing your entire collection? Comic books aren't gold bars, they're meant to be read and enjoyed. I learned how to draw from comic books, I enjoyed fantastic (fantastic, like the fantastic four) stories from comic books. If and when the comic book market crashes, I will still enjoy and cherish my comic book collection, comic book investors and slabbers will lose their minds.
Polybagged books are nearly *IMPOSSIBLE* to get 9.9s or 10s. Look at Superman 75. tons of 9.6 and 9.8. but 9.9 and 10? nope! UF 4 was a polybagged book as well. Maybe it has to do with the bagging process.
If you are a real collector falling prices are great. In another hobby I was able to recently pick up some items I couldn't afford/justify a decade ago. That the value of my collection has dropped over that time frame doesn't bother me.
Since all of this started, I’ve said that it’s absolute foolishness to base the price of a book based on a movie appearance.. if the movie stinks (which they have), if the character is gender swapped, is poorly written, underused, dies, or is nothing like the original character the appeal of the character fades immediately.. It’s foolishness created out of whole cloth… the initial seller wins… Good luck after that! Guess the cracks are starting drain pockets. But because it’s an enjoyable hobby.. And leave it there. If the collection appreciates in value (GREAT)… But don’t bank on it
I didn't know CBCS was such a non player until this PSA information came out. Nobody trash talked CBCS's quality besides the label (which they fixed) and the resale value which is speculative. Someone explain to me why CBCS is so terrible
If people think that they are losing money on miles Morales Spider-Man, you are sadly mistaken. Just buy his books and let his character grow. Today's prices are not yesterdays prices 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤ new sub here. Miles is definitely worth buying during this slump. And one more thing since the price crash and the addition of 9.9 I've bought 9.6s for such great prices. I might be the ew 9.6 king😂😂😂❤❤❤
Did you do prescreen? Probably the only way to get the 9.9 on a book like that. CGC admitted they don't have the time to look over a book and determine if it's a 9.9 or 9.8, so it's just random. They need to fix this mess they created.
why would anyone ever hate on speculation buyers and what they do to the market? If you were a fan of a particular title, you already own the comic, and its value has increased. Not a bad thing. If you ran to buy a comic just because it's suddenly hot, you may not have been a fan in the first place, or you would have had it in your collection already.
@@bujindork But yes that happened to me this year. I just found out about Canto. I love that book, but the 1st print #1 is like $80+ now. It's not a big spec book, i'm just saying it's true that sometimes you find a title that is awesome that you didn't know about and it's expensive because it's so good. That's the case of Canto.
You won’t get any fight from me on either of those two books. If you paid big bucks during COVID on either one yeah sorry you are losing money unless maybe you keep for 75 years
Miles is a derivative of Peter Parker. Older rich people go for Parker cause they grew up with him. Young people growing up with Miles don’t have the money to spend thousands on UF4.
True. I'm older, ha e cash and have no interest paying anything close to $1k fora Miles 1st appearance. I did buy it raw for $20 years ago and I'm good with that.
Hey Collectible Dad, I'm doing a town hall on the impact of the 9.9s on 9.8s and the future of grading, are you interested in joining the panel discussion?
Most of the stuff you put out I either agree with or can at least see where you’re coming from. Disagree about Ultimate Fallout 4. One of Disney’s best shows is Spidey and his Amazing Friends. Spin ( Miles Morales) Is enormously popular. I hear more young adults talk about this show and Bluey than any other kids stuff. Can’t go anywhere with kids that you don’t see Spidey or Miles shirts, shorts, jackets, etc. Unlike Bluey, the parents seem to know what happens in this show. Then there are the animated movies. They’ve produced huge results even as a lot of Marvel stuff gets destroyed at the box office. Let’s not forgot he’s been a big character in video games. You’re right about the book came out in 2011. This was not a boom time for print runs in the comic book industry. While actual print runs for a book are guesswork, this was not a high point for comics production by any means. There are sources that make educated estimates for roughly a 30 year period. Lastly, the character is likable. There are stacks at shops that turn into short or no stacks in short periods. There are a ton of books that stay stacked. Anecdotally, there are 3 generations of friends and family who enjoy him here. That doesn’t mean Peter Parker has fallen behind, he’s still the favorite. Demand seems to be growing. While it will never be Hulk 181 or ASM 129, it is at least in the discussion with New Mutants 98 ( usually does better when a Deadpool movie hasn’t just been released 😅 ) and seems like a much better bet than any other modern. He’s one of this generations’s big two. I believe that we all tend to look at “ what will this do in the future “ based on our current age. There are always the next “ turning 30 to 30 group” coming. Enjoy your content 👍
Who buys comic books anymore while we have Ozempic and NVDA stock? Most comic books have lost 50 percent of their value. Looks like a poor house future.
All it takes is 1 great movie to drive demand way past 20 thousand people wanting 9.8s. The problem is the MCU and Sony are incapable of making a revered story....even when the source material is already in place. Movie Writers decide that they can do a much better job than the comic book writer did and they change everything...........Surfer is a female. That movie will TANK MILLIONS of $ I don't think UF4 will ever see $300 again.....no way. Even if another 10k appear. He's too popular and his popularity will keep increasing with games and live action movies coming up.maybe it will be flat though.
New mutants 98 is the next Hulk 181 same huge print runs, same demand, same FMV (respective of their 17 years age gap) but yeah uf4 is complete dog sh!t woke snowflake crap.
Wha't going to hurt the value of Ultimate Fallout 4 is going to be the amount of 9.8's on the census and the ULTIMATE (heh, heh) arrival of 9.9's and 10's which will be hard because the book has a dark spine. It's not going to be Miles' popularity as a character though, he's solidified because of the animated movies and now the games. He hasn't even appeared in live action yet, so this book still has some life in it left. I have it in a 9.8 but that was my actual off the shelf copy that I bought when the book was published. I only plan on selling it once I get another raw copy for the P.C. otherwise, I'll probbly never sell it lol.
You make great points. I will say that Deadpool is vastly more popular than Spawn, that comparison is not legit in my eyes. Many kids have grown up with the Deadpool movies, they are more likely to want that 1st app, and that is likely a very large audience. Same with Miles, hugely popular with kids, Spawn is not in the same league popularity wise. I say this because demand is what will dictate how these books do in the future. 50k graded books is a lot, but not if there is 200k people looking to buy. I don’t own either, so no horse in the race!
@@NDLCollectiblesI was referring to kids growing up with the movies who, 15-20 years from now, may want to own that piece of history. Sure, right now the book is down, but if you watch the market for years you know that it ebbs and flows. I would also argue that the amount listed on eBay is dwarfed by the amount sold in the past 5 years.
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There are several factors that has to be considered 1. Accuracy of census the number might be lower since cracking slabs has become common place and labels are not always submitted. 2. Print runs just because it's modern does not mean it's more than copper age books. 3. Ultimate fallout 4 was kept in polybags which limits the possibility of ultra high grades. 4. Demand as long as it is more than supply can maintain the value. A crash in new mutants 98 can happen if collectors dump their books after movie hype died down. But this is common knowledge.
its wild to think there are as many 9.8 blue label nm98 as there are the ENTIRE print run of invincible #1😂
Back in 1974 (I'm old) I had a movie soundtrack L. P. worth (1974 dollars) $150-$200 on the collector's market. Not long ago I checked its' current value: $150-$200.
Great video! I almost bought a new mutants #98, 9.8 this weekend, dealer had $1500 on it. He wouldn’t go lower than $1400 so I passed. I checked comps later and found I could grab one all day for like $1200 which I thought was too high as well. I agree with you, prices are going to continue to drop, good stuff today on this one!
yeah... the days of con deals is gone with the dealer memories of 2021 prices
Buy it after the movie. I bet $1000. People are sick of the character and his wise remarks. Wolverine is the reason.
My guess is back to the 2017 price of $600 by the end of summer.
Good they deserve it. Speculators have screwed up the hobby as far as i'm concerned, and the one of the reasons why it was easy for me to get out of it. But I got back into. Nothing p***** me off. More than having to pay. 50 bucks for a $5 or $10 book. That somebody thought what's going to be worth so much money, so they got it graded. And now they charge a stupid price for it, because they want their money back for getting it graded. Just for me to release it from the plastic coffin. Sure, Hulk, 181. It should be graded but a twelve year old book should not be a thousand damn dollars.
it happens when people gamble with comics
👏 👏👏 what a joke right, you wonder how these con dealers sell anything
They always do, collecting shouldn't be about making money. Not saying that rare items shouldn't have value but once people start to look at it as an investment it ruins everything about a hobby.
Ouch, hit the nail on the head. There are so many overvalued books even after Covid correction . Census is the ultimate (pun intended) value killer.
Only 16K Ultimate Fallouts at 4700+ CGC 9.8, thats so low hahaha. I'm going back to Marvel cards haha
I've been buying some Upper Deck Marvel Platinum cards lately, that set is fire. I got numbered cards lower print stuff like a /35 Beast & Black Bolt and a /33 Herc and some others. Probably send them off to CGC soon. Was gonna buy a /10 gold or /5 amber but those have probably been inspected and have little chance at gemming.
@@richardolney1822 So cool! I'm still chasing all the old cards lol
Something to note outside of census, which is inherently flawed, is print runs -- using your example of Spawn 1 vs NM98 that's ~1.5 million vs ~300k in terms of printed books. Sadly these are best estimates since, to my knowledge, official print run numbers are not shared. This would align with NM98 being ~5x the cost of Spawn 1 as Spawn 1 was printed and sold 5x as many copies.
Probably why some modern books sell so well because people know the print run is 3k or 1k or less.
Still to damn high lol
And Spider baby to boot. 😂😂😂
I thought the same thing about Hulk #181. A lot of supply and lot of demand ..not a rare book but everyone wants it !!! I'm waiting for a 9.8 to come down to $5000.00 🤣🤣
I will never understand collecting and worrying about the value. Collect things because you want them, pay the price you are willing to pay and stop worrying about the rest. If you are purchasing things in hope that someday they will go up, then maybe you should look for better ways to invest money. I collect music, CDs and LPs for one reason and only one. To listen to them. I pay what I am willing to pay and up or down it has no effect on why I purchased it. For those items that people are asking crazy prices for, learn to let it go. You will not die.
Agree 100% on UF4
" Your 9.2? IT'S TRASH IT'S GARBAGE!!!...not really ....you know what I mean" 😂😂😂
Sold my last slab recently (a 9.8) -- glad to be done with the CGC scams!
This is why I'm for limited variants, it's similar to numbered sports cards we collect
Dude, comic books should not be an investment, it's hobby. If you can get something for your collection after a few years, great but that shouldn't be your overall purpose. How can you call yourself a comic book collector if you're slabbing your entire collection? Comic books aren't gold bars, they're meant to be read and enjoyed. I learned how to draw from comic books, I enjoyed fantastic (fantastic, like the fantastic four) stories from comic books. If and when the comic book market crashes, I will still enjoy and cherish my comic book collection, comic book investors and slabbers will lose their minds.
Polybagged books are nearly *IMPOSSIBLE* to get 9.9s or 10s. Look at Superman 75. tons of 9.6 and 9.8. but 9.9 and 10? nope! UF 4 was a polybagged book as well. Maybe it has to do with the bagging process.
If you are a real collector falling prices are great. In another hobby I was able to recently pick up some items I couldn't afford/justify a decade ago. That the value of my collection has dropped over that time frame doesn't bother me.
I am out. Have spent multiple thousands since the pandemic. The new US reality dictates my discretionary spends stops here and now.
Since all of this started, I’ve said that it’s absolute foolishness to base the price of a book based on a movie appearance.. if the movie stinks (which they have), if the character is gender swapped, is poorly written, underused, dies, or is nothing like the original character the appeal of the character fades immediately..
It’s foolishness created out of whole cloth… the initial seller wins… Good luck after that!
Guess the cracks are starting drain pockets.
But because it’s an enjoyable hobby.. And leave it there. If the collection appreciates in value (GREAT)… But don’t bank on it
I didn't know CBCS was such a non player until this PSA information came out. Nobody trash talked CBCS's quality besides the label (which they fixed) and the resale value which is speculative. Someone explain to me why CBCS is so terrible
If people think that they are losing money on miles Morales Spider-Man, you are sadly mistaken. Just buy his books and let his character grow. Today's prices are not yesterdays prices 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤ new sub here. Miles is definitely worth buying during this slump. And one more thing since the price crash and the addition of 9.9 I've bought 9.6s for such great prices. I might be the ew 9.6 king😂😂😂❤❤❤
Haha, great content. I never had an Ultimate Fallout #4- but wish I did. Probably would have held onto it because I'm built like that.
I just submitted another UF4 to CGC last week. Getting that first 9.9!😂
Did you do prescreen? Probably the only way to get the 9.9 on a book like that. CGC admitted they don't have the time to look over a book and determine if it's a 9.9 or 9.8, so it's just random. They need to fix this mess they created.
why would anyone ever hate on speculation buyers and what they do to the market? If you were a fan of a particular title, you already own the comic, and its value has increased. Not a bad thing. If you ran to buy a comic just because it's suddenly hot, you may not have been a fan in the first place, or you would have had it in your collection already.
Causes price to go up for people that just want the book for their PC
@@bujindork if they loved that title/book/character they would have the book already. If they wait until it's a popular book, they are a speccer.
@@bujindork But yes that happened to me this year. I just found out about Canto. I love that book, but the 1st print #1 is like $80+ now. It's not a big spec book, i'm just saying it's true that sometimes you find a title that is awesome that you didn't know about and it's expensive because it's so good. That's the case of Canto.
I was able to pick up a 2nd printing of Ultimate Fallout #4 CGC 9.8 for $144.
Nice...next year I'll pick one up for $14. Just say'in 😂
You still overpaid, only a $50 case cost book now
That’s fantastic, thanks for sharing
Now do Warhammer Black Library books!! 📚 💸
You won’t get any fight from me on either of those two books. If you paid big bucks during COVID on either one yeah sorry you are losing money unless maybe you keep for 75 years
Miles is a derivative of Peter Parker. Older rich people go for Parker cause they grew up with him. Young people growing up with Miles don’t have the money to spend thousands on UF4.
True. I'm older, ha e cash and have no interest paying anything close to $1k fora Miles 1st appearance. I did buy it raw for $20 years ago and I'm good with that.
Not yet! But it may be a long hold..,
Yet......
Newstand UF4 9.8 was the play. Direct UF4 is drowning.
wow, great video. thanks so much
Comics are not rare. Mint comics are rare.
Hey Collectible Dad, I'm doing a town hall on the impact of the 9.9s on 9.8s and the future of grading, are you interested in joining the panel discussion?
Most of the stuff you put out I either agree with or can at least see where you’re coming from. Disagree about Ultimate Fallout 4.
One of Disney’s best shows is Spidey and his Amazing Friends. Spin ( Miles Morales) Is enormously popular. I hear more young adults talk about this show and Bluey than any other kids stuff.
Can’t go anywhere with kids that you don’t see Spidey or Miles shirts, shorts, jackets, etc. Unlike Bluey, the parents seem to know what happens in this show.
Then there are the animated movies. They’ve produced huge results even as a lot of Marvel stuff gets destroyed at the box office.
Let’s not forgot he’s been a big character in video games.
You’re right about the book came out in 2011. This was not a boom time for print runs in the comic book industry. While actual print runs for a book are guesswork, this was not a high point for comics production by any means. There are sources that make educated estimates for roughly a 30 year period.
Lastly, the character is likable. There are stacks at shops that turn into short or no stacks in short periods. There are a ton of books that stay stacked.
Anecdotally, there are 3 generations of friends and family who enjoy him here. That doesn’t mean Peter Parker has fallen behind, he’s still the favorite.
Demand seems to be growing. While it will never be Hulk 181 or ASM 129, it is at least in the discussion with New Mutants 98 ( usually does better when a Deadpool movie hasn’t just been released 😅 ) and seems like a much better bet than any other modern.
He’s one of this generations’s big two.
I believe that we all tend to look at “ what will this do in the future “ based on our current age. There are always the next “ turning 30 to 30 group” coming. Enjoy your content 👍
Who buys comic books anymore while we have Ozempic and NVDA stock? Most comic books have lost 50 percent of their value. Looks like a poor house future.
Seems like thats coming to all markets in the next 2 years lol
All it takes is 1 great movie to drive demand way past 20 thousand people wanting 9.8s. The problem is the MCU and Sony are incapable of making a revered story....even when the source material is already in place. Movie Writers decide that they can do a much better job than the comic book writer did and they change everything...........Surfer is a female. That movie will TANK MILLIONS of $
I don't think UF4 will ever see $300 again.....no way. Even if another 10k appear. He's too popular and his popularity will keep increasing with games and live action movies coming up.maybe it will be flat though.
Wrong, its basically supply and demand
Can't wait for oxy Spider-Man 😂
lol
UF 4 in 9.8 will not go as low as $300.
Could be right on this one!
Y'all are wasting money on them funny books. I'm gonna throw my money at Beanie Babies and Pez dispensers. I heard they're going to the moon!
Add Funko Pops to the list
i have both in 9.6 should I sell them
Or use it for fire wood lol
38 grand not 3800 during the lockdown boom but yeah they are both ridiculous lol
My 9.4 NM 98 is dead lol
New mutants 98 is the next Hulk 181 same huge print runs, same demand, same FMV (respective of their 17 years age gap) but yeah uf4 is complete dog sh!t woke snowflake crap.
Wha't going to hurt the value of Ultimate Fallout 4 is going to be the amount of 9.8's on the census and the ULTIMATE (heh, heh) arrival of 9.9's and 10's which will be hard because the book has a dark spine. It's not going to be Miles' popularity as a character though, he's solidified because of the animated movies and now the games. He hasn't even appeared in live action yet, so this book still has some life in it left. I have it in a 9.8 but that was my actual off the shelf copy that I bought when the book was published. I only plan on selling it once I get another raw copy for the P.C. otherwise, I'll probbly never sell it lol.
You make great points. I will say that Deadpool is vastly more popular than Spawn, that comparison is not legit in my eyes. Many kids have grown up with the Deadpool movies, they are more likely to want that 1st app, and that is likely a very large audience. Same with Miles, hugely popular with kids, Spawn is not in the same league popularity wise. I say this because demand is what will dictate how these books do in the future. 50k graded books is a lot, but not if there is 200k people looking to buy. I don’t own either, so no horse in the race!
I don't even know 1 kid who buys comic books anymore. its only old men lol
How is there 200K people looking to buy NM #98 CGC 9.8 when there are 100+ listed on eBay that are not selling?
@@NDLCollectiblesI was referring to kids growing up with the movies who, 15-20 years from now, may want to own that piece of history. Sure, right now the book is down, but if you watch the market for years you know that it ebbs and flows. I would also argue that the amount listed on eBay is dwarfed by the amount sold in the past 5 years.
@@NDLCollectibles facts lol