Punch - Counterpunch: Is he an Autobot, or a Decepticon?
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- In the world of the Transformers, some characters master in espionage. The Autobot Punch can go into DEEP COVER by disguising himself as the Decepticon Counterpunch. Or is it the other way around? NOTE - While the vehicle that G1 Punch-Counterpunch transforms into is BASED on a Fiero, he is altered enough that Hasbro did NOT need to pay for licensing. Therefore, I'm not incorrect in calling it a generic blue sports car.
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In the world of the Transformers, some characters master in espionage. The Autobot Punch can go into DEEP COVER by disguising himself as the Decepticon Counterpunch. Or is it the other way around? NOTE - While the vehicle that G1 Punch-Counterpunch transforms into is BASED on a Fiero, he is altered enough that Hasbro did NOT need to pay for licensing. Therefore, I'm not incorrect in calling it a generic blue sports car.
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first reply lol
Punch-Counterpunch deserves a movie of his own, just imagine the possibilities of a transformers that interacts with both sides for his own agenda
doubledealer
moonknight
I would rather have a swindle movie for dealing both sides on their own agenda. Lol
"War is a dirty business, and no one comes out clean" Wow, that's deep.
"The cowardly and smart die. While the foolish and stupid live. War just has a sick sense of humor."
@@Qardo “In my business, there are no friends, just suspects.”
This is why I refuse to hate Hotrod. He was the first to notice the hijacked shuttle. During the moment that most see as his failure he was the only one to have battlefield awareness and realize Megatron was going for a gun. He rallied the Dinobots, he saved Kup, he recruited the Junkions and he defeated Galvatron and Unicron. Not bad for a first day.
@@Cyril29a First day as a cast member and he saved everyone's butt.
Tho many still hold Hotrod's supposed part of Optimus Prime's first ever death against him, some still even to this very day. I used to not like Hotrod because of his jumping in between Optimus and Megatron, and then having to replace Optimus, however over time I saw the regret in Hotrod/Rodimus as he felt terrible and responsible for what happened to Prime, and he did his damnedest to make up for it until Optimus came back.
I started to go easier on him as a character since then. Once Optimus came back and not only showed not holding ill-feelings for his successor, he also forgave him/sorta gave a no forgiveness is necessary moment.
Once I saw that Optimus was willing to forgive and be cool with Hotrod/Rodimus, I figured it was time for me to forgive Hotrod as well.
Now every time he appears I think of him much like his G1 self, fast, fun, and always tries have the best intentions, and if he gets a Rodimus/leadership arc in place of Optimus, I'm willing to give it a chance and see where it goes. I hope there are others who've learned to let go of the "Hotrod made Optimus die" thing and try to see him as to what he really is, a well intended, stylish and fast young Autobot who always tries to have his spark be in the right place with a hidden potential for leadership.
I personally always understood him to be a completely loyal Autobot that has a Decepticon mode so he can spy on them. That seems to be how he is portrayed in the "The Rebirth" episodes. And the picture list of figures included with G1 Transformers had him on the Autobot side.
I totally & fully agree as he sorta did more to aid autobots than decepticons as the villians already had plethora of evil bots
It's really a shame that Punch/Counterpunch hasn't appeared in a lot of Transformers media. He really does have an awesome gimmick that makes for such a complicated but compelling character. Personally, I tend to follow closely with the American G1 cartoon continuity, and believe that Punch was always an Autobot who had the ability to turn into a Decepticon. Hopefully he does get recognized some more in the future.
Me too! It's a shame he wasn't in the Prime show. I felt more sad for Blurr personally. Hey speaking of Blurr, Rodimus needs to do a retrospective of him!
@@matthewreynoso6904 Agreed.
Most likely thanks to animated for giving Shockwave this ability too.
personally I prefer the idea that punch is a deep-cover agent much like the Transformers Animated Shockwave.
Punch is one of those criminally underused G1 characters in my opinion. The concept of side switching is also something I'd like to see used more.
Punch-Counterpunch is an Autobot, after all Fortres Maximus considers him his most reliable spy of all
For me, Punch-Counterpunch were and always will be a deep-cover agent Autobot at Spark that can disguise as a Decepticon. Actually I love the Autobot-Decepticon conversion concept because in a way it's LITERARY Robots In Disguise. Like one of Optimus Prime's line in his Nemesis Prime DLC redeco in Transformers: DEVASTAION, "This is what I call a Robot in Disguise".
I also remember this one time in a particular con that I saw POTP Punch-Counterpunch and regretting not buying it, so when I heard they're gonna re-release the figure with Barricade in Earthrise, I was happy and will DEFINITELY get that set.
3:09: which is always a shock when I’m reminded of that fact, because it’s so weird hearing him talk at normal speed.
Imagine if blur had a counterpart robot disguise the way punch/counter punch does. He could call himself slow down and talk normal speed. No one would ever know. Lol!
Considering how unique of a character he is in the Transformers universe, I would love to see him in media again, either film or series like Prime, but not dying like Cliffjumper did in both.
I hope his next video is double dealer because he’s about to make his western animation debut Netflix War for Cybertron Earthrise
Doubledealer is a Decepticon thru and thru.
@@goodputin4324 I’m not exactly sure I think he’s just one of those guys as long as you pay him he’s on your side my point about him doing a double dealer video to coincide with his western animation debut for Netflix war for cyber Tron Earthrise and I know he was a different character in Japan but my point still stands
Gotta say that being a spy is the most dangerous job in a war especially if the spy has a second personality.
Punch/Counterpunch is the best spy ever. James Bond has got nothing on the Autobot who can disguise himself as a Decepticon.
double agents are rare among the TF franchise, which is probably why Punch/Counterpunch is/are among my favorite bots, along with making bots like Sideways (Unicron Trilogy) one of my personal favorites, & giving a twist on classic characters like Shockwave in media like TF Animated
I never heard of Punch until the Rebirth/Headmasters Mini series, and as a kid, I remember freaking out over the transform, but always thought he was and autobot spying on the cons, not the other way
He was an Autobot who poses as the Decepticon Counterpunch.
I love Punch/Counterpunch, a transformer double agent is such a cool idea to me.
I've been noticing how awesome the animation on those season 3 toy commercials look, better than the actual cartoon!
Normally the animation for the cartoon was done by Toei, but another animation studio covered a LOT of Season 3, and the 3 part 4th Season, the Rebirth. They were not known for animating as well as Toei. I'm not sure who did the commercial though.
@@RodimusPrimal AKOM and it's famous animation errors
Rodimus, I love how you turned the background grid from Autobot red (when you spoke about Punch) to Decepticon purple (when you mentioned Counterpunch).
I also want to give a shoutout to Hasbro, who came out with some dang good toy designs in the dying days of TF. Some real thought went into the designs of Doubledealer, Sixshot & Quickswitch, obviously Scorponok & Fort Max, and Punch/Counterpunch. Had the US cartoon continued, we undoubtedly would have gotten a P/CP episode dealing with his loyalties to both sides, some Bots and Cons not fully trusting him, etc. I imagine he would have to be EXTREMELY cautious around Soundwave with his mind-reading abilities. And in the Japanese cartoon, it looked kinda sloppy, him relaying info to the Bots in the middle of Con home base! Guess that's how confident he was at not getting caught!
I'm glad Master TF Scribe Simon Furman gave him some love in SECRETS AND LIES, itself a fantastic gaps-filling mini!
Bumblebee: "Since I'm the smallest, I have the best chance of getting through."
Me: Um, I'm pretty sure it's because nobody suspected a beat up Volkswagen Beetle in those days. 😀
I just wish they'd release a toy of him at mass retail because I'd love to have him. I might have to just get the new two-pack.
Well the link to get a toy of him is in the description. Its an Amazon exclusive.
@@RodimusPrimal Already pre ordered mine weeks ago! I missed him the 1st time and I also want that barricade earth mode
There is one, it was released in the power of the primes toy line.
@@RodimusPrimal I know. I'm just kind of sick of exclusives.
@@legoawcstopmotioner9435 same here. It’s dumb how the fan favorite characters are almost always exclusives now. 😕
Man... What a great review! Even though Punch has not so much lore... you made an incredibly interesting video about it! I will always think Punch is the real one, and Counter Punch is the disguise. I don´t think he suffers from a slip personality, that concept is interesting... but I like to think Punch is the real Autobot double Spy and Doubledealer is the decepticon one, but Doubledealer, as a good decepticon, keeps his best interests for himself.
I like the idea of a character like this.
Me: Time to go to sleep.
This video appears in my feed.
Also me: well well well let's find out.
Still no mention of Reverse Convoy from Transformers RobotMasters? He has the same gimmick as Punch Counterpunch too!
I had to cover the first one to do so. Not to mention that it's not AS easy to get any media of Reverse Convoy.
@@RodimusPrimal
I see, well that's understandable 😅 I do wish we could see more of him
If I remember correctly, Reverse Convoy and Rebirth Megatron were actually two separate beings that shared the same body! Megatron had actually infiltrated Reverse Convoy's body in order to be reborn!
and he decided to reveal his identity after a few minutes of meeting
@@KilosFoxo You're right! It was surprising that he did that! I'm surprised that no other Transformers like this haven't been made since! I'd like to see more like Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron!!!
I think this counter punch, punch design is one of the most innovative and timeless designs ever created! I really don't see much new innovation like this anymore unless its cringe or over the top. As a kid, i was absolutely awed and obsessed with him and still am as an adult. Great vid!
I like the original and the POTP mold equally. I agree. It's hard to top it.
There is Flip Sides. She is actuality a sleeper agent placed into the Autobot by the Decepticon
Also Sundor whose an undercover agent.
@@YeldellGW Sundor? As in the Sundor from Kiss Players? Even I never knew that.
@@notgray88 Sundor's character page on the TFwiki makes for an interesting read.
My head canon was that Punch/ Counterpunch was always working with Double Dealer to sell information from both sides to the highest bidder
I'd love to see a Transformers story built around a spy vs spy theme featuring Punch-Counterpunch and Doubledealer working against each other on both sides of the Transformers War.
Punc/Counter punch always seemed interesting to me hopefully we can see more of him in Transformers media some day.
I've always liked the idea of Punch, being loyal autobot and he did make a good spy. But the prolonged stress of the war and personality he puts up as Counterpunch, he developed a second personality. The second personality only coming out slowly during Megatron's reign whenever someone questioned him on being soft, so Punch dug deep into a dark place within him to prove the others wrong. Mortified at some of things he had to do, to his fellow autobots. He'd black out from the stress, and during Galvatron's reign as leader. That personality became more and more stronger.
Multiple Personality Disorder as Weird and Scary as it can seem is a very Fascinating Mental Condition to have. My mom was actually Diagnosed with it when she Raised me so I'm no Stranger to it. Despite that, it's still makes for an Interesting Character Trait in certain stories when it's well written.
Did you notice the changes in personality yourself?
She also had Schizophrenia as well unfortunately @@ls_rus4666. But yes I witnessed it First Hand growing up. So I had a Exotic yet Ruff Upbringing to say the least. Despite that though, I'm still thankful that she brought me into This World nevertheless. She may not be in our Family anymore, but I'll use my Experience to Help Others when the Opportunity Arises. I needed to get that off me so thanks for the giving me some Courage with you're Response. Thanks Alot.
@@jackharpe3rd233 no problem.
I always thought of it this way, Punch was built as an Autobot and disguises himself both as a sports car and a Decepticon for espionage.
I remember finding this toy in my legendary $20 box o' Transformers flea market find. I was pretty perplexed/impressed by it, as I had never seen or heard of a Transformer that had two robot modes, much less two allegiances.
The way it came across to me in The Rebirth, is there were actually TWO characters. The Autobot Punch who can disguise himself as the Decepticon Counter-Punch, and the Decepticon Counter-Punch who can disguise himself as the Autobot Punch. So you were really getting two Transformers in one with that toy!
Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for Counter-punch to say his counterpart is nearby, if there wasn't a separate character? If there really is just one guy, wouldn't the Decepticons figure that out pretty quickly? I don't know what to think. This is so crazy, haha.
I recently dove into the comics, and read Secrets & Lies. I liked Punch, and was glad when he appeared in the Domino's 2-pack. I really wish they did episodes showcasing the adventures the Transformers had on the other planets in War for Cybertron.
I would love to see more of this character, Wolffang would also be a great beastwars character to expand uppon!
My head canon was that punch/counterpunch was neither autobot nor deception, he just changes sides to get dirt on both factions and sells them to the highest bidder
I wish you also mentioned what a clumsy spy P/CP is… some of his acts in espionage are just comical.
His potential is crazy how has he not been used more?!
Double agents/double spies are one of my favorite type of Transformers.
Another great video Rodimus!
One of your best videos yet. Super informative and I could tell you were into it.
A Shame such an awesome character concept is so underutilized
Very interesting, and strange, but actually the split personality twist, works. It's happened to very real people, with same jobs, infiltration spies, often lose sight of themselves, and even forget what side they're on.
"It's like, crazy man".
oh ya definitely more spies, the Transformers universe needs more like P-CP
The Marvel comics/ Dreamwave comics version of punch my favorite. I find the concept of a transformer with 2 different personalities interesting.
I think Punch/Counterpunch is an anti hero, willing to work for whomever side benefits him the most regardless of status or power or superiority. He will only work for those who meet or exceed or benefit his expectations and not those of his comrades. That’s what I think.
Another great episode, Rodimus
I love your videos and find them informative and fascinating. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next one. Till all are one!
the double spy Punch/CounterPunch deserves to have another spotlight in the show, and I should say that Punch is the true Autobot.
He was one of my favorite transformers. I loved the concept as a kid
I missed out on the POTP exclusive, so when I saw the 2 pack recently I immediately preordered it.
Punch could be like Two-Face in the transformers universe. This guy got a cool concept which inspires other transformers deserved more attention and not fade to be forgotten.
One of my favorite transformers, thank you.
*NEARBY*
i love that line of him.
This video was fun to watch and if I had to say I'm definitely getting that two pack with barricade and punch/counter punch and I just like the concept of punch and I leave a like Rodimus and stay safe and I hope we can talk some time and stay safe❤
I definitely want Barricade as I already have the first Punch Counterpunch.
@@RodimusPrimal sweet and I'm definitely getting that two pack and i hope you and your family are doing will and I hope we can talk and geek out and till all are one❤✌
Remember Powermaster Doubler Dealer from G1? He was both Autobot/Deception but Simon Furman showed he was neither in a UK Marvel back up strip in the early 90s.
At first when you said that g1 punch/counterpunch transforms into a sports car, I was like, "wait, that car look familiar" and then I realized the design. And he actually transforms into a 1986 Pontiac fiero notchback.
I thought this was a great idea from day 1. He was probably the last Transformers I HAD to have when I was a kid. Headmasters, not so much, but double agent, hell yeah!
I loved this guy when I got him as a kid. G1 Punch Counter-Punch was awesome.
Glad to see some of the newer comics getting mentioned. I don't see enough of the major reviewers touching this stuff. I loved the old IDW comics, but the new reboot is quite good in it's own right; especially the last few issues.
I heard you mention that you got the Siege Rainmakers, they have a pretty prominent role in issue 23 of the new series; and the issue is something a lot of us TF fans have been waiting for a long time actually depicted.
Good video! I really gotta get around to getting the Japanese Headmaster, Victory, and Masterforce series...
Punch is my favorite character
He deserves at least a spotlight comic or to be part of a storyline
Fortress Maxumus is so cool - I had him for a long time but had to sell him, the money paid the rent that month. 3 feet tall. Thing was solid like a brick. The newer one looks okay, but not as cool as the original - idk guess you just like what you are used to - so Preceptor soon? Please? :D
Thanks for covering this guy. I owned him as a kid, and alway wished there was more media for him!
I must say I like the original one still moast since it makes sence for him to change wappons when he transformes into the other given that diffrend part are used for the transformations and given his wappon change he would be less likely to be found out as being the other.
Great Video. I prefer that Punch is dominant while Counterpunch is the disguise. But the Deceptions should have a true spy of their own. Masterforce featured Doubleclouder in this way, but most Hasbro interpretations have Doubledealer as a mercenary, not loyal to any side.
We need to see more of this guy or these guys
Writers could really expand upon this character in stories, as this Cybertronian has an internal struggle with himself.
Man, the Transformers '84: Secrets and Lies comics have been so darn good...really hope we get more of them soon...perhaps even an ongoing series if we're lucky, yes?
PS: Gotta agree with the people asking for a Double Dealer vid asap, pretty please...!!!
I will pay in gold for a continuation of T'84, maybe with the war in Cybertron while the Ark's transformers are still desactivated.
@@fasinfata Well, if we can cobble together 10,000 shanix or so, and if we can find him, maybe we can hire a certain Free-Lance Peace-Keeping Agent to 'persuade' the good folks at IDW to do just that, yes...?!
Who says punch can't be both I mean we as humans wear a metaphorical mask ourselves one side could be our happy joyful trustworthy side while the other is the dark angry violent manipulative and untrustworthy I like this idea for this Transformer I mean I don't MPD but this just is interesting anyway have a good day.
The Cybertronian War has evolved into a game into Among Us.
This video has inspired me to get the galactic Odyssey pack with punch/CounterPunch :P
Writing wise, more intetesting to leave it up in the air. Build that suspense!
I'd be down for more spies. I really enjoyed Longarm/Shockwave.
When I was a kid, that toy blew my mind. Two robots? He was a favourite of mine!!
Punch-Counterpunch remindse of spy from TF2, since you can't trust them and they're able to change outfit color
How nobody has done a Tyler durden inspired storyline with this guy is beyond me. Fanfics writers anybody there's an idea for you crossover fight club with transformers you have a Tyler durden
when u turn on the subtitles when punch says "deceptions are coming to bot con" is "deceptions are coming to VODKA" LMAO
I have the original toy - very nice and sturdy, well built toy. Love it.
Everyone: Autobot or Decepticon?
This guy: Yes
It's a crime we never got a TFA version. His alternate personality could have been a result of triple-changer technology forced upon him by the Decepticons to make him an unknowing double-agent for them.
Whether or not he gets a second alt mode for Counterpunch, idk. Maybe a monster truck version of Punch's alt mode 🤷♂️
Oh so that’s why Shockwave was a double spy I. animated, as I barely new who Punch/Counter-punch was(I watched a episode of Animated before watching Rebirth)
I can't wait to get him alongside with Barricade from Amazon! I always viewed Punch-Counterpunch as an Autobot.
This is definitely one of my favorite transformers.
Thats awesome
I would love a video that Both of Double punch/Punch and Double Dealer.
Since barricade was in the show maybe he will appear in earthrise on cybertron with elita-1
Punch-Counterpunch is one of my top 5 favorite characters just because I love the idea of him. I would love it if we got a masterpiece version of him.
When he transforms into a decepticon he really is a decepticon
The car mode is specifically a 1984 to 1985 Pontiac Fiero.
Based on it but different enough to not have to worry about licensing.
I wonder if you've seen theamazingspino's Transformers art? He had an interesting twist on the Punch/Counterpunch concept by doing the same with Prowl, spaying on the Decepticons as Barricade.
That actually makes sense at times.
Spies/Counter Intelligence in G1. Hubcap, BumbleB, Blaster/Twincast (JP) and the cassettes,Mirage, Hound(scout, well sort off), Jazz, Doubledealer, Soundwave/Soundblaster and the cassettes, Swindle fits his M.O., Trick Diamond and Scrounge.
I like to think he’s a mercenary who uses his split personalities as a way to maximize profits, each one only taking jobs from either faction depending on the personality in charge
sounds a little like doubledealer to me. but thats a fun idea!
Awesome retrospective as always 👍. How about giving him a King Tut kinda deal like on the '66 Batman Show? That would be interesting
Generic sports car? Nooooo! He was a Pontiac Fiero!
Technically he's based on the Fiero, but is different enough that they didn't have to license it.
Punch is the best mysterious loyal Autobot agent.
I got lucky with the PotP version and got him with the Prima Prime Master. Punch-Counterpunch is one of my favorite Transformers
He is the guy telling the plans of Autobot's to Deception's and Deception's plans to Autobot's and let the war grow even bigger ......
I call him a reverse triple changer. 2 robot modes and one alt mode.
When Doubledealer, Apeface, Snapdragon and even Alpha Trion I was imagining them also as Transfaction reverse triple changers. A decepticon beast modes and autobot robot modes. As a sort of an Animated "Elita-1/Black Arachnia" eww of organic modes. So the character believes they have to be aligned with the Decepticons and must hide their beast mode from the Autobots.