Star Trek DS9 left us with the aftermath of the Dominion War, the genocide on the Cardassian Homeworld, the change of Ferengi government and culture, and the looming question of what happens next. Instead of going forward they went backwards and decided to abandon everything that made the shows amazing. Star Trek Picard was complete garbage. They spit on the legacy of TNG.
I hate how they just CANT keep a consistent, proper ongoing storyline, we flip flopping back and forth, from one to another timeline that dont even ad up or make much sense when put together, ... Like, they literally alienating their fanbase like crazy at this point! Also all this stupid fanservice shows gotta STOP! Lower Decks, Strange New Worlds, Picard, ... can we PLEASE just go past Voyager, new Crew, new Ship and go back to the formula that worked so well for Star Trek?! Its not difficult!!
They have no respect for the past and they cannot build anything. They can only parasite what better people made and try to make a buck out of it. And the question to who are they? Well it's; J.J. Abrams, Simon Kinberg, Toby Haynes, Seth Graham-Smith and allll their friends in Hollywood.
So now we're going to watch as Paramount/CBS retcons ST: ENT and ST: First Contact. When the stewards of this franchise keep mining their ideas from THE PAST, it's a pretty good sign that they have no intention of "looking forward" because that requires too much effort and imagination. Man, I remember when I had a love for Trek as a little boy that was unmatched by anything on TV or the movies. Now, as an adult, I can't even stomach the thought of another abomination being added to my once-beloved franchise.
💯 Why don’t they just make a new Trek that takes place in the 24th century. Or how about the 23rd with Enterprise B? That era is wide open, not as open as the post Next Generation era but still open.
I agree. I'd love a new series that carries on from where Voyager left off...in the spirit of the old shows exploring the galaxy and a new story each week. But it can't be done at the present time. We need to shake off the rot and hire some old guard to write and produce it. They are still around.
It's announced as pre-Federarion, not necessarily pre-Starfleet. The forming of the Federation ought to include Starfleet (and Archer). I don't see how else they can do it.
There would be united earth and star fleet , but the federation is about to happen, it sounds like if it's the prime timeline we should have the romulan war ended the year the federation was founded, the coalition, or future federation founds should be present,?
"Michael" Burnham, purple Klingons, The Federation being a mean spirited hellhole? The sequels have been great so far. 🤣 The sheer f'ing hubris of Nu Trek is astounding.
I'm glad you're against the idea of living in a mean-spirited hellhole. I don't like that vision of the future, and much prefer the version where the Federation is reaching out and supporting others instead of closing off and withdrawing. Maybe we could learn something from that, because it does seem as though people are quite divided these days.
I want to see this as soon as possible. I can't wait to see how gay and trans people actually built the federation and how Archer was just a background character.
What I predict it will be like that one car commercial (Audi, I think?) that was supposed to be a response to the Jaguar one where it looked like it was embracing traditional English culture until the end when they had the "new British man" step out the car and all but tell the old English man to move out of his way. where it'll pretend like it's embracing traditional Trek for a good chunk of the movie, long enough for you to take your guard down, and later one it'll lecture you about how evil you are while wearing the skin suit of that traditional Trek. Woke isn't dying, it's getting smarter cause it knows most normies are dumb.
We can expect: $300+ million budget, extensive reshoots, DEI race-swapped casting, girlbosses, pre-prepared statements about the fans being racist and sexist, $100+ million in losses, and *ZERO* lessons learned.
TBH, there isn't much race-swapping to do when it comes to prequels because they can make the movie with completely new characters and the only thing linking this prequel and what's already been released is it takes place in the same timeline that isn't the Kelvin timeline. It could be set 50, 100 or maybe even 200 years prior to the creation of the Federation. That's why they go with the prequel concept - they don't have to respect the original characters like Spock and Kirk because they technically aren't born yet.
Dave I'm watching Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock right now. This movie is VERY underrated. This is real Trek. Also Robin Curtis is hotter than I remember
The funny thing is that Trek is the easiest sci-fi franchise to de canonize. Just say “Alternate universe” (something Trek did before almost everyone) and move on. Now if only they had the will.
That's because the "modern audience" needs their Pew-pew guns! And Star Trek's phasers didn't go "pew-pew", they made a unique sound and shot a steady beam of energy. But pulses = pew-pew = better (at least to the low IQ nobodies writing this modern dreck)
I was in London a fortnight ago. I felt like I'd left Europe. If Putin dropped a Christmas present there I wouldn't lose any sleep. A city is its people, the rest is just relics of a bygone age. I hope the Irish can get their act together, but England seems long gone.
@@brick6347 . That's awful. Visited London twice (my only visits overseas) in the mid 2000s. Dave did tremendous work during COVID op highlighting important subjects and they're still viewable on the dollar vigilante video website. Yeah it's bad now here in Dublin but 2025 looks to be a terrible year ahead for everyone in western Europe
Why fight so hard for centuries against English colonialism to open your door to mideast colonialism? Oh, you fools joined the EU, didn't you? Conquered with bureaucrats.
Prediction -- A character in the script of this proposed movie, when looking upon a small cabal of Humans, Vulcans, Tellarites, Andorians, etc., coming together to face some gigantic, existential threat, will say: "It's as if you're all . . . members . . . in some kind of . . . federation . . ." And all of the alien characters will look at each other, as if to say: "Yeah, well said."
Bet they'll paint the cartoonish bad guy as some "extrem1st" or "totally not mister f7r r1ght" especially considering how pissed hollywood is after the election and will be even anger later. Because how dare the idiotic ignorant peasants not worship us and believe are coastal divine truths. And Neu-Trek as gotten so political Discovery mentioned Elon Musk & *HAD A DEMOCRATIC SERVING POLITICIAN AS PRESIDENT OF EARTH.* Oh but remember wokeness isn't real and your the one trying to sneak in your agenda. Absolute arrogance.
Star Wars Star Trek DC Marvel Lord of the Rings so many franchise following same path and losing tons o millions and yet they are out of touch of reality and have no idea what the fans wants to see
The franchise ended with the end of Berman Era Star Trek. After which, It was bastardize in 2009 to become an abomination purporting to be Star Trek. Some Star Trek iconology and terminology was sprinkled on to dire science fiction shows. They were badged with the Star Trek brand, thus giving birth to the abominations we have had ever since.
I gave up on Star Trek a long time ago. As long as people keep watching this fake Trek they will keep making it. Everyone needs to turn their backs and maybe just maybe we will get Our Trek back.
Awesome comment. I see this trend in other consumer categories, too. As long as people keep watching, or buying, the quality will never improve. I'm surprised so many people put up with lesser quality stuff and higher prices.
Didn't even mention Strange New Worlds. Yet. another. prequel. One of the defining traits of post-modernism is a revision of all things past. That's why prequels are the focus by this woke machine.
They should commit to that spinoff from the original series "Assignment: Earth" featuring Gary Seven, Roberta Lincoln and Isis using alien technology to keep the people of Earth from destroying themselves.
Too late for that. If done now it would be nothing but climate change, rascism, misogyny, etc. It would be unwatchable because the writers today are heavy handed but given the 1960s they'd dial it up to 25 far surpassing 11.
Don't know if you have already read these, but you would love Greg Cox's The Eugenic Wars books. Those characters feature prominently and would make for a brilliant series.
Ironically Spaceballs had no merch because LucasFilm threatened them for the parody and a settlement was hashed out where Spaceballs would go ahead only if it had no merch. Preposterous since parody has always been protected speech but Mel Brooks couldn't afford as many lawyers as George Lucas.
I hate this trend that Hollywood fell into after George Lucas screwed everything with those prequels. They’re literally terrified to advance any franchise forward. The problem with prequels you already know exactly where the story ends and there’s every chance it’ll just screw it all up.
It seems that every show and every movie got too deep into politics possibly influenced by real life politics but at any rate it would be super cool to see a new franchise get back to exploration. You know, "going where no man has gone before."
What would interest me is a complete Star Trek reboot that did away with time travel, plot inconsistencies, over-the-top flashy visuals, and maintained a better sense of a single story going forwards.
You dont even have to do that, just go past Picard, new Crew, new Ship, non of the old characters and just start fresh from there! So people who are new to Trek dont get confused, yet the old fanbase still enjoys watching cause its still in canon with the rest!
Back in the days, I thought that an interesting character to bring on screen and please the wokes as well as the trekies could have been Molly O'Brien. Like joining up Star Fleet and we would follow her along the years.
@@Stephen64138 A new series, where we go on adventures and hijinks with ensigns Molly O'Brien and Naomi Wildman. That was pretty much what I wanted. That, or the Romulan War that we were about to get in Enterprise, before it got canceled.
@@NinjaChris77 Yeah but Picard, post-TNG era is getting way too futuristic to be interesting, what with things like instantaneous transport and all. Then there are all the plot continuity issues prior to that...
Seth MacFarlane tried/is trying with The Orville. He’s doing an excellent job but I’m not sure if we’ll get a season 4. Of course it’s not the same but it may as well be Trek.
@@hedgehobbit6844 The Orville is the closest thing we've gotten to real Trek since Enterprise, but now Disney is involved, and Seth has been too busy. Also, I'd like to see a season return to 20+ episodes. Eight or ten isn't enough to keep interests and momentum going.
The Orville was awesome. We need someone to do what they did with Cobra Kai. You can tell the producers loved the movies and the world. It wasn't a cash grab. They need people who care about Star Trek involved
The thing that really pisses me off about this is that it continues to center the franchise on Kirk and his Enterprise. Fans of the Berman era are still being woefully underserved. And I know that we got Picard but, A) that show was crap, and B) it lacks, in Picard's words, "the carpet." That might sound silly, but the carpeted halls of the Enterprise-D are a good visual metaphor for the overall look and feel of that era of Star Trek. I don't want dark and dingy ships with holograms all over the place. I want an Enterprise that looks and feels like a massive office with dignified officers solving high-brow dilemmas. I'm tired of high-action spectacles, I want to see some people sitting around a table discussing a diplomatic stalemate.
Personally i'd say it's about 10 years too late for the franchise - at that time Star Trek was still relatively popular. Unfortunately with ST Discovery and other ST shows the quality of the writing not being always good the fans got tired of the franchise and went away. There is still a good hardcore fan base don't get me wrong but i don't think it would be enough to make a new ST movie successful.
I had the pleasure of watching the directors cut of Wrath Of Khan recently on Bluray. That's all the Trek I need in a film. I couldn't care less about another woke Trek film with its stupid "Kelvin Timeline".
I'm not sure what you mean by 'woke' in this context. Could you give some details about the 'woke' parts you didn't like about the Kelvin timeline Trek films?
1:53 Origin of what? We saw the first contact and we got enterprise with the hottest vulcan you'll see. What are they going to do now, except rewrite history where the Federation was founded by a black trans lesbian entity, I don't know.
@@josephnash2081 Maybe she will be played Kamala Harris instead. They could also reboot that TOS episode (Patterns of Force) and have "Joe Biden" play "John Gill."
Star Trek without the Federation or Star Fleet is like Star Wars without the Force or the Jedi (which, I know, they're trying to do). At a certain point, you've removed everything but the logo and a few sound effects.
This might be yet another tedious example of "capitalist necromancy", the obsession with the past and nostalgia. It's why we have so many prequels, remakes, reboots.
Picard season 3 wasn't great. it seemed great because season 1 and 2 were hot garbage but it was mediocre at best and then botched the landing at the end with the LOL Enterprise G as an old Junker with a name change and the Captain nepotism bridge crew.
@@lesigh1749Very well said and once again they also failed to do another story line without the Borg. Changelings (Rogue or not) would never bow down to or serve the Borg.
"Origin movie set on Earth in the prime timeline about meeting aliens for the first time." Oh, so they're going to pretend First Contact doesn't exist or they're going to pick up immediately after that? Either way, not interested. I agree. YAWN.
I'm guessing there will be characters who will resent Earth making contact with aliens. I wonder what real world group of people these will be based on.
And that will still be a re-tread if they go that route with this supposed new movie. Enterprise dealt with this concept during its least season. It was the episode "Terra Prime" with Peter Weller playing Paxton, sort of a human-supremacist anti-alien reactionary. Was a pretty could take on the idea.
@jakeschutz6342 What I mean is that the characters I'm referring to will have red hats with a slogan on them and will be lead by a man with a lot of tan.
3 of those are literary adaptations and wouldn’t really count as “original”. But then again, neither would a Trek film since it’s based off of a TV show.🫤
@@jonathanward7320 Arrival. Give me a break. What a stupid woke piece of shit. The aliens are coming, knowing full well the finality of it. Either we work TOGETHER (in the darkness, bind them...) or get all destroyed. Klaus Schwab must have written this movie.
@@jonathanward7320 Edge of tomorrow is older than a decade. The other two are really good. Ex Machina also. Black Mirror is a good show. Maybe U should of said since 2020
@@jonathanward7320 Edge of tomorrow is older than a decade. The other two are really good. Ex Machina also. Black Mirror is a good show. Maybe U should of said since 2020
They need to progress the franchise forward. No more prequels. No more nostalgia bait. They need to jump ahead, the way TNG jumped forward decades from TOS. That said, I wouldn't hate something that takes place in the TNG era. A movie that takes place during the Dominion War would be cool. Just pick a random ship and crew and have the events of that movie work around DS9 in some way.
Every Star Trek Movie and Show after Star Trek Enterprise has just been woke garbage. All they do is make a Sci Fi show, slap the name Star Trek on it and call it good. This prequel will just be more of the same woke garbage especially with J.J. Abrams being involved.
Star Trek prequel movie? Pre-Federation? Enterprise did this. Star Trek First Contact did the first alien contact thing. Are there zero new ideas in Hollywood?
I would have liked some kind of DS9 movie perhaps to see what happened to Ben Sisko after the events of the show. But I can’t see it happening now with Aaron Eisenberg and Rene Auberjonois now dead. And DS9 has kinda been forgotten by the people in charge of the making Star Trek stuff.
There’s enough Star Trek content available for cable to devote a 24/7 cable channel! Gosh almighty who is this next movie for? Anyway? Strange New Worlds hits the mark every once in a while but personally, I’m praying for a Tarantino direct alternate universe version along the lines of A Piece Of The Action but a slow build to an Inglorious Bastards finish. That i would pay to see!
I’m with you. Unless they wipe out all the garbage from 2009 until present and start fresh moving forward appropriately I won’t watch Trek. I gave up on it a while ago. Same with Star Wars.
@vinnyv949 I agree, and it is bothersome. I have loved trek my entire life. It sounds crazy, but it's almost like losing a family member to some strange cult...
I was cool with the idea of an alternate timeline when they argued it was for the purpose of doing new things with old Star Trek. Then they go and copy The Wrath of Khan and get everything about it spectacularly wrong. That's when I dipped out of JJ Trek.
Zero interest at this point. Especially with Kinsberg and his spotty resume (Dark Phoenix was horrible). I really think they should let it go dormant for a while. Give it some rest and bring it back in 5 years
From the early 70’s through the mid-2010’s I ate, breathed and slept movies. I was there on opening day for every major film opening as far back as I can remember. But now we have come to a time when I have nothing to look forward to, nothing to geek out over, and no reason to visit a theater. All my favorite franchises are dead or dying and they just don’t know it. Many actors I have enjoyed have shown themselves to be deranged assholes not worthy of my hard earned cash, and even if they were, there’s nothing good out there anymore. Seeing Hollywood Babylon’s sudden and total implosion would be satisfying were it not for my complete and utter love for it. It’s definitely a dark and terrible time for fans of escapist entertainment.
Same here, my wife and I would spend the entire week looking forward to a dinner and movie on Friday night. I would mark on my calendar opening dates of SF and F movies. I haven't done that in years.
@ I followed movie news production developments , I devoured DVD extra features and commentaries. I read Starlog as a kid and knew all about Star Wars in 1975. I was a nut. I used to watch the Oscars and tried to see most of the movies, but I always had my favorites to win. It’s like a past-life experience at this point.
I am reminded of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where the increasing use of time travel has screwed up the timeline so much that we have "The Campaign for Real Time" fighting to conserve what accurate history remains. Likewise here, we have so many prequels, alternate realities and reboots that it's turning the foundations of Star Trek into Swiss cheese.
I once heard someone say that Star Trek is a "period piece" set in our possible future. With TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, they've done a pretty decent job at world building and setting up a future that we (as the audience) want to see and live in. With that said, I agree, it's time to move forward. It's time to tell stories in the Star Trek Picard era of time. It will allow writers to reference things that happened on the shows that people actually love, revisit characters that people have wondered about while having them interact with new characters. The new Star Trek movie could be about any number of things.. Let's see The Q on the big screen in some way? Species 8472 perhaps? I do like how Strange New Worlds is using The Gorn.....seeing them in a movie would be cool. None of them have to be part of the main plot, but it would be nice to see a movie in the era of time we already know interacting with a Starfleet that we've come to love.
I really like the idea of exploring the origins of the Federation, but as a series instead of a stand-alone film. So, this feels like a huge missed opportunity to me.
Star Trek, Dr Who, Indiana Jones etc are ancient history . We NEED NEW people, NEW DREAMS and a NEW Vision .Time to put the past to rest and let NEW Creative people build NEW legends. Time to turn the page on the old and embrace a new bright future .
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As another fictional character remarked, ""A device is yet to be invented that will measure my indifference to this." The parts of Star Trek that I love still live in my memory. The sharks can halve the rest.
I was willing to give the 2009 Star Trek a chance. As soon as I saw the super market barcode scanners, I knew it was over for me. The cast was actually quite good. What they did with them is unforgivable.
I don't give a shit so long as the writing and story is good. Setting it as a sequel isn't going to magically erase all the problems NewTrek has boldly taken us to.
I’m only a minute in but I completely agree. I wasn’t interested in going back in time, it seemed like a cop out. Prequels had already flooded the market by that point and were played out. Apparently 23 years later… it’s only me and a select few who felt that way as they’re still trying to prequel everything. As much as I love Star Trek and have tried to watch Enterprise, I can’t get onboard with it. If I have to watch three seasons only to BEGIN to start seeing something good, I’m not bothering. I learnt that hard lesson with Enterprise.
Agreed. Color me skeptical about this new prequel Trek movie. BTW, my experience with Star Trek Enterprise is very similar. I didn’t really like it at first, but I too came to love it by the end, especially the last two seasons.
Agreed. The Vulcan first contact scene in "ST: First Contact" was brought off extremely well. That scene, plus the best parts of "ST: Enterprise", is all the IP really needs. I mean, who is asking for more Star Trek backstory? If filmmakers are going to keep playing in this sandbox, let's see it move forward.
Great video. Honestly I’d like to see a show about the time ships and what they were all about. Hopefully discovery didn’t turn people off to time travel. They could travel between all the great eras from the shows and for example end up dealing with Q after visiting the same point in time Q is dealing with Picard
I actually liked the Kelvin movies if only because the actors really brought it. I am hopeful though for a good movie set in the original timeline. My hope is someone learned we need to go back to basics with Star Trek. Btw Beyond was good in that it started by showing the optimism of the future with that awesome snow globe space station. Let's get back to a positive future Trek.
This might become vaporware, like the 4th ST movie for the Kelvin timeline or many planned SW movies that have evaporated into dust. However, opportunity-wise, a movie like this sounds like the concept of Enterprise Season 5 being before the Federation and dealing with the contact with the Romulans. It would give many of the actors from Enterprise a chance to come back to reprise their roles (depending on the exact time the movie occurs). I'm surprised that nothing has been considered for the "Lost Era" dealing with Enterprise B or C. However, with the current Nu-trek brand damaged, they really need to consider what they're going to do or simply not do it all. I have little faith in the people behind the helm, especially when everything from TOS to the Enterprise series is labeled as the "Golden Era" by most ST fans. If anything, The Orville has been a wonderful spiritual successor to Star Trek than Nu-Trek could ever dream of.
If I were to do prequels, I’d do them in an animated format (styled more like Invincible, with a tone more akin to TNG) set between TOS and TMP, and would be an adaptation of the cancelled Phase 2 series. Also an Anime (styled similar to Castlevania) series about Sulu on the Excelsior (and perhaps the Enterprise B) set after the Generations Prologue scene but before the launch of the Enterprise C.
Star Trek DS9 left us with the aftermath of the Dominion War, the genocide on the
Cardassian Homeworld, the change of Ferengi government and culture, and the looming question of what happens next. Instead of going forward they went backwards and decided to abandon everything that made the shows amazing.
Star Trek Picard was complete garbage. They spit on the legacy of TNG.
Agreed totally.
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I hate how they just CANT keep a consistent, proper ongoing storyline, we flip flopping back and forth, from one to another timeline that dont even ad up or make much sense when put together, ...
Like, they literally alienating their fanbase like crazy at this point!
Also all this stupid fanservice shows gotta STOP!
Lower Decks, Strange New Worlds, Picard, ... can we PLEASE just go past Voyager, new Crew, new Ship and go back to the formula that worked so well for Star Trek?! Its not difficult!!
They have no respect for the past and they cannot build anything.
They can only parasite what better people made and try to make a buck out of it.
And the question to who are they? Well it's;
J.J. Abrams, Simon Kinberg, Toby Haynes, Seth Graham-Smith and allll their friends in Hollywood.
S3 of Picard was decent but I otherwise agree with everything you said
@werideatdusk no it wasn't. It was just a lot better than the first two, which is like being the best tasting turd in the toilet.
I thought Star Trek: Enterprise WAS the origin story?
That’s what I thought
They didn't watch First Contact either, apparently.
We don't need another origin story for Star Trek.
It was. First Contact was the very first time Humans met Vulcans, and Enterprise was the first time they met their next alien - a Klingon.
So now we're going to watch as Paramount/CBS retcons ST: ENT and ST: First Contact. When the stewards of this franchise keep mining their ideas from THE PAST, it's a pretty good sign that they have no intention of "looking forward" because that requires too much effort and imagination.
Man, I remember when I had a love for Trek as a little boy that was unmatched by anything on TV or the movies. Now, as an adult, I can't even stomach the thought of another abomination being added to my once-beloved franchise.
Star Trek died after Enterprise…"Change My Mind."
Why? You are 100% right.
I agree.
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Why don’t they just make a new Trek that takes place in the 24th century. Or how about the 23rd with Enterprise B? That era is wide open, not as open as the post Next Generation era but still open.
Star Trek died after DS9, change *_my_* mind heh
Agreed
The Kelvin timeline is utter garbage and should be done away with as efficiently as possible.
Send it into a black hole🌑
They seem to have gone to great trouble to find actors who resembled the TOS actors and then completely screwed up the actual characters.
This is the way.
I don't consider any Abrams Trek canon.
Put the franchise to bed until this woke insanity has run its course.
But de-canonize everything from 2006-present ASAP.
@@PoolKid75this has to happen, otherwise their is no fanbase
I totally agree.
I agree. I'd love a new series that carries on from where Voyager left off...in the spirit of the old shows exploring the galaxy and a new story each week.
But it can't be done at the present time. We need to shake off the rot and hire some old guard to write and produce it. They are still around.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 I'm with you on this.👍
Oboy. Another origin movie. Just what we need.
They keep trying to make Star Trek popcorn action flicks. Stop it
I see what you did 🙌🙌🙌😆😆😆😆
gee, i hope it has more time travel, the trek franchise really needs more time travel!!!!!
I bet its a borg origin movie..😂
A chance to show the gayer side of Klingons no doubt.
No federation, no starfleet, no recognizable characters or starships, how would this be a star trek movie?
It's announced as pre-Federarion, not necessarily pre-Starfleet.
The forming of the Federation ought to include Starfleet (and Archer). I don't see how else they can do it.
If they based themselves on the Oakazaki bureau it could be good, however it doubt they could ever make something nice.
@@LtFoodstamp How much you wanna bet they gonna break canon with Star Trek Enterprise?!
There would be united earth and star fleet , but the federation is about to happen, it sounds like if it's the prime timeline we should have the romulan war ended the year the federation was founded, the coalition, or future federation founds should be present,?
Why not start with the Wright Bros & work up?😎
Its going to be hot garbage, period.
Old and busted garbage..
If jj Abrams is attached of course it will be.
They just can’t help it
"Michael" Burnham, purple Klingons, The Federation being a mean spirited hellhole? The sequels have been great so far. 🤣
The sheer f'ing hubris of Nu Trek is astounding.
I'm glad you're against the idea of living in a mean-spirited hellhole. I don't like that vision of the future, and much prefer the version where the Federation is reaching out and supporting others instead of closing off and withdrawing.
Maybe we could learn something from that, because it does seem as though people are quite divided these days.
Don't forget eye-gouging! Everyone wanted that!😅
I want to see this as soon as possible. I can't wait to see how gay and trans people actually built the federation and how Archer was just a background character.
Dylan Mulvaney and RuPaul... HEROES OF THE FEDERATION!
I can see it now... "YOU will address me as MA'AM ensign!"
What I predict it will be like that one car commercial (Audi, I think?) that was supposed to be a response to the Jaguar one where it looked like it was embracing traditional English culture until the end when they had the "new British man" step out the car and all but tell the old English man to move out of his way. where it'll pretend like it's embracing traditional Trek for a good chunk of the movie, long enough for you to take your guard down, and later one it'll lecture you about how evil you are while wearing the skin suit of that traditional Trek.
Woke isn't dying, it's getting smarter cause it knows most normies are dumb.
🤣
@@TheRyujinLPwoke is evolving, or should I say mutating 😏
@@MrDman21 And we need to keep the heat on it.
We can expect: $300+ million budget, extensive reshoots, DEI race-swapped casting, girlbosses, pre-prepared statements about the fans being racist and sexist, $100+ million in losses, and *ZERO* lessons learned.
I could not have said it any better myself
Trek has gone the same way as Disney Star Wars. Only Paramount have no one to blame apart from themselves.
Hilarious, another load of nonsense I'll be more than happy to avoid like the plague 🤣
@@markymark3572 Who does Disney Star Wars have to blame?
TBH, there isn't much race-swapping to do when it comes to prequels because they can make the movie with completely new characters and the only thing linking this prequel and what's already been released is it takes place in the same timeline that isn't the Kelvin timeline. It could be set 50, 100 or maybe even 200 years prior to the creation of the Federation. That's why they go with the prequel concept - they don't have to respect the original characters like Spock and Kirk because they technically aren't born yet.
Dave I'm watching Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock right now. This movie is VERY underrated. This is real Trek. Also Robin Curtis is hotter than I remember
It's my second favorite Trek movie after Motion Picture ;)
Always a been a tussle with II & III for me, but lately as i've got older its III for me.
Robin Curtis is alright, I'm more of a Kistie Alley guy.
Its always been and always will be,
A very good film.
@@montetude_tripple2706 they're both attractive
More reboots, more rehashing, more entire new crews/casts. I just don’t have it in me at this point.
I think this will be their "Timeless Children", a last chance to flank the existing cannon.
Setting it on Earth saves money, probably.
Oh god that episode don't remind me.
The funny thing is that Trek is the easiest sci-fi franchise to de canonize. Just say “Alternate universe” (something Trek did before almost everyone) and move on. Now if only they had the will.
One thing that really bugs me in new Trek is suddenly phaser fire light bullets instead of beams of energy. They want gun fights.
The only 'light pops' in TOS was the Enterprise firing Photon Torpedoes!
Have the Phasers morphed into hand-held Photon launchers??
That's because the "modern audience" needs their Pew-pew guns!
And Star Trek's phasers didn't go "pew-pew", they made a unique sound and shot a steady beam of energy.
But pulses = pew-pew = better (at least to the low IQ nobodies writing this modern dreck)
Just another chance to rewrite the past
This is how I feel when I see any movie channel discussing marvel or Star Wars or whatever. Like WHO CARES?
Do you go on blue glass bottle collectible channels and say this too?
We're being replaced, Dave. Watching Star Trek like it was the 1990s won't save us here in Ireland
I was in London a fortnight ago. I felt like I'd left Europe. If Putin dropped a Christmas present there I wouldn't lose any sleep. A city is its people, the rest is just relics of a bygone age. I hope the Irish can get their act together, but England seems long gone.
Does it pose a problem to J.J. Abrams, Simon Kinberg, Toby Haynes and Seth Graham-Smith?
@@brick6347 . That's awful. Visited London twice (my only visits overseas) in the mid 2000s. Dave did tremendous work during COVID op highlighting important subjects and they're still viewable on the dollar vigilante video website. Yeah it's bad now here in Dublin but 2025 looks to be a terrible year ahead for everyone in western Europe
Why fight so hard for centuries against English colonialism to open your door to mideast colonialism? Oh, you fools joined the EU, didn't you? Conquered with bureaucrats.
Star Trek is a TV franchise that made it to the big screen because of love of the actors that played the characters.
Big yes.
Considering there was only one good film after Undiscovered Country.
Prediction -- A character in the script of this proposed movie, when looking upon a small cabal of Humans, Vulcans, Tellarites, Andorians, etc., coming together to face some gigantic, existential threat, will say: "It's as if you're all . . . members . . . in some kind of . . . federation . . ." And all of the alien characters will look at each other, as if to say: "Yeah, well said."
So, we're what, some kind of Suicide Squad?
Didn't Archer have a line like that once?
@@darthagaddadavida9936
Zefram Cochrane, First Contact. 🖖
Isn't that basically how the final episode of Entreprise ended?
Bet they'll paint the cartoonish bad guy as some "extrem1st" or "totally not mister f7r r1ght" especially considering how pissed hollywood is after the election and will be even anger later. Because how dare the idiotic ignorant peasants not worship us and believe are coastal divine truths. And Neu-Trek as gotten so political Discovery mentioned Elon Musk & *HAD A DEMOCRATIC SERVING POLITICIAN AS PRESIDENT OF EARTH.* Oh but remember wokeness isn't real and your the one trying to sneak in your agenda. Absolute arrogance.
When I am in the mood for Star Trek I warch some of the original show, the rest I don't give a shit about.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a perfect storm coming in 2026 I wonder which Beastie Boys song they'll use this time.
Star Wars Star Trek DC Marvel Lord of the Rings so many franchise following same path and losing tons o millions and yet they are out of touch of reality and have no idea what the fans wants to see
The franchise ended with the end of Berman Era Star Trek. After which, It was bastardize in 2009 to become an abomination purporting to be Star Trek. Some Star Trek iconology and terminology was sprinkled on to dire science fiction shows. They were badged with the Star Trek brand, thus giving birth to the abominations we have had ever since.
Completely true, sadly.
I gave up on Star Trek a long time ago. As long as people keep watching this fake Trek they will keep making it. Everyone needs to turn their backs and maybe just maybe we will get Our Trek back.
Awesome comment.
I see this trend in other consumer categories, too. As long as people keep watching, or buying, the quality will never improve.
I'm surprised so many people put up with lesser quality stuff and higher prices.
It's over, it's never coming back
Paramount, Boldly flushing Star Trek down the toilet.END OF STORY.
At this point, I'd more "credit" CBS with this, than Paramount. Remember STD started before the re-merger.
Didn't even mention Strange New Worlds. Yet. another. prequel.
One of the defining traits of post-modernism is a revision of all things past. That's why prequels are the focus by this woke machine.
Star Trek has been long dead since 2009
AGREED.
since 2005
They should commit to that spinoff from the original series "Assignment: Earth" featuring Gary Seven, Roberta Lincoln and Isis using alien technology to keep the people of Earth from destroying themselves.
Sadly, no one could replace 1960s Teri Garr.
Bold of you to assume the people involved have seen Assignment: Earth, let alone any TOS lol
Too late for that. If done now it would be nothing but climate change, rascism, misogyny, etc. It would be unwatchable because the writers today are heavy handed but given the 1960s they'd dial it up to 25 far surpassing 11.
While I loved the episode, setting it on earth would have dated it quickly. They'd solve the problems of hippies and the Vietnam war...
Don't know if you have already read these, but you would love Greg Cox's The Eugenic Wars books. Those characters feature prominently and would make for a brilliant series.
I will watch "Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money" and buy all the merch for it before I watch any more Star Trek prequels.
Are they really doing that John Candy and Joan Rivers are deceased and so is John Hurt who had the best cameo ever.
Thought the movie was going to be Space Balls 3 the search for Space Balls 2.
Ironically Spaceballs had no merch because LucasFilm threatened them for the parody and a settlement was hashed out where Spaceballs would go ahead only if it had no merch. Preposterous since parody has always been protected speech but Mel Brooks couldn't afford as many lawyers as George Lucas.
Yes!
Merchandising 😂
I hate this trend that Hollywood fell into after George Lucas screwed everything with those prequels. They’re literally terrified to advance any franchise forward. The problem with prequels you already know exactly where the story ends and there’s every chance it’ll just screw it all up.
Hey Temple of Doom might have been the original prequel, but he moved the story forward in Last Crusade 😉
It seems that every show and every movie got too deep into politics possibly influenced by real life politics but at any rate it would be super cool to see a new franchise get back to exploration. You know, "going where no man has gone before."
What would interest me is a complete Star Trek reboot that did away with time travel, plot inconsistencies, over-the-top flashy visuals, and maintained a better sense of a single story going forwards.
You dont even have to do that, just go past Picard, new Crew, new Ship, non of the old characters and just start fresh from there! So people who are new to Trek dont get confused, yet the old fanbase still enjoys watching cause its still in canon with the rest!
Back in the days, I thought that an interesting character to bring on screen and please the wokes as well as the trekies could have been Molly O'Brien. Like joining up Star Fleet and we would follow her along the years.
@@Stephen64138 A new series, where we go on adventures and hijinks with ensigns Molly O'Brien and Naomi Wildman. That was pretty much what I wanted.
That, or the Romulan War that we were about to get in Enterprise, before it got canceled.
@@NinjaChris77 Yeah but Picard, post-TNG era is getting way too futuristic to be interesting, what with things like instantaneous transport and all. Then there are all the plot continuity issues prior to that...
We didn't need more than one actor playing Captain Kirk, let alone four.
What Star Trek needs is someone new, who is extremely talented, and has a great love of the original series.
Elon. Please buy the right to Star Trek and give it to OTOY/Roddenberry Archives.
Seth MacFarlane tried/is trying with The Orville. He’s doing an excellent job but I’m not sure if we’ll get a season 4. Of course it’s not the same but it may as well be Trek.
@@hedgehobbit6844 The Orville is the closest thing we've gotten to real Trek since Enterprise, but now Disney is involved, and Seth has been too busy. Also, I'd like to see a season return to 20+ episodes. Eight or ten isn't enough to keep interests and momentum going.
Me!!
The Orville was awesome. We need someone to do what they did with Cobra Kai. You can tell the producers loved the movies and the world. It wasn't a cash grab. They need people who care about Star Trek involved
I hate the idea. I know I may sound like an old man but after Enterprise I was pretty much done with Star Trek.
The thing that really pisses me off about this is that it continues to center the franchise on Kirk and his Enterprise. Fans of the Berman era are still being woefully underserved. And I know that we got Picard but, A) that show was crap, and B) it lacks, in Picard's words, "the carpet." That might sound silly, but the carpeted halls of the Enterprise-D are a good visual metaphor for the overall look and feel of that era of Star Trek. I don't want dark and dingy ships with holograms all over the place. I want an Enterprise that looks and feels like a massive office with dignified officers solving high-brow dilemmas. I'm tired of high-action spectacles, I want to see some people sitting around a table discussing a diplomatic stalemate.
They can't write future Trek because they have no hope in their hearts.
Personally i'd say it's about 10 years too late for the franchise - at that time Star Trek was still relatively popular. Unfortunately with ST Discovery and other ST shows the quality of the writing not being always good the fans got tired of the franchise and went away. There is still a good hardcore fan base don't get me wrong but i don't think it would be enough to make a new ST movie successful.
I had the pleasure of watching the directors cut of Wrath Of Khan recently on Bluray. That's all the Trek I need in a film. I couldn't care less about another woke Trek film with its stupid "Kelvin Timeline".
I'm not sure what you mean by 'woke' in this context. Could you give some details about the 'woke' parts you didn't like about the Kelvin timeline Trek films?
@bobagorof Discovery, I watched 3 seasons then gave up.
Endless prequels are just a sign that the folks at Paramount are creatively bankrupt and can't think of anything new.
I'm tired of prequels. I want a new ship and a new crew set after the events of DS9 and Voyager.
Same
First Contact is the classic origin movie of the federation.
Gene Roddenberry is doing cartwheels in his grave now 😒
Has been for nearly 20 years already.
When Star Trek Discovery hit the airwaves everything went downhill. I get all the new Star Trek I need from OTOY 🖖
1:53 Origin of what? We saw the first contact and we got enterprise with the hottest vulcan you'll see. What are they going to do now, except rewrite history where the Federation was founded by a black trans lesbian entity, I don't know.
Kirk, unsurprisingly, had a cervix.
The Federation will be founded by Stacy Abrams great granddaughter played by ...Stacy Abrams.
@@josephnash2081 Maybe she will be played Kamala Harris instead. They could also reboot that TOS episode (Patterns of Force) and have "Joe Biden" play "John Gill."
Scary.
We've been lamenting the desecration of trek for the same amount of time as TNG was on air.
Star Trek without the Federation or Star Fleet is like Star Wars without the Force or the Jedi (which, I know, they're trying to do).
At a certain point, you've removed everything but the logo and a few sound effects.
This might be yet another tedious example of "capitalist necromancy", the obsession with the past and nostalgia. It's why we have so many prequels, remakes, reboots.
The only Star Trek prequel thing I want to see is a proper Enterprise era Earth Romulan war.
I just don't understand why they want to avoid giving us a 25th century show. it's what we REALLY want. Picard season 3 proved that its wanted.
Too bad they hate the old fans.
Picard season 3 wasn't great. it seemed great because season 1 and 2 were hot garbage but it was mediocre at best and then botched the landing at the end with the LOL Enterprise G as an old Junker with a name change and the Captain nepotism bridge crew.
@@lesigh1749Very well said and once again they also failed to do another story line without the Borg. Changelings (Rogue or not) would never bow down to or serve the Borg.
"Origin movie set on Earth in the prime timeline about meeting aliens for the first time." Oh, so they're going to pretend First Contact doesn't exist or they're going to pick up immediately after that? Either way, not interested. I agree. YAWN.
Carbon creek.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent franchise?" Henry II of England (if he were alive today, probably)
STAR TREK on Earth without any trekking into the stars sounds like a Tron movie with no Tron
I'm guessing there will be characters who will resent Earth making contact with aliens. I wonder what real world group of people these will be based on.
And that will still be a re-tread if they go that route with this supposed new movie. Enterprise dealt with this concept during its least season. It was the episode "Terra Prime" with Peter Weller playing Paxton, sort of a human-supremacist anti-alien reactionary. Was a pretty could take on the idea.
With J.J. Abrams, Simon Kinberg, Toby Haynes, Seth Graham-Smith in charge?
Either whites or arabs.
@jakeschutz6342 What I mean is that the characters I'm referring to will have red hats with a slogan on them and will be lead by a man with a lot of tan.
I wouldn't mind a Star Trek prequel; sadly, other than Enterprise's Season 4, prequels are not what we get -- just reboots.
Maybe an "Enterprise" movie would be good. Put that crew on the big screen?
What "original" Sci-fi have we gotten from movies in the last decade?
The creator
Edge of Tomorrow
Arrival
Annihilation
To name a few
3 of those are literary adaptations and wouldn’t really count as “original”. But then again, neither would a Trek film since it’s based off of a TV show.🫤
@@jonathanward7320 Arrival. Give me a break.
What a stupid woke piece of shit.
The aliens are coming, knowing full well the finality of it. Either we work TOGETHER (in the darkness, bind them...) or get all destroyed.
Klaus Schwab must have written this movie.
@@jonathanward7320 Edge of tomorrow is older than a decade. The other two are really good. Ex Machina also. Black Mirror is a good show. Maybe U should of said since 2020
@@jonathanward7320 Edge of tomorrow is older than a decade. The other two are really good. Ex Machina also. Black Mirror is a good show. Maybe U should of said since 2020
Next Star Trek will be completely on Earth… no stars, no trekking.
What we need in the Star Trek Universe is about a five to ten year hiatus.
This franchise needs an enema!
They need to progress the franchise forward. No more prequels. No more nostalgia bait. They need to jump ahead, the way TNG jumped forward decades from TOS.
That said, I wouldn't hate something that takes place in the TNG era. A movie that takes place during the Dominion War would be cool. Just pick a random ship and crew and have the events of that movie work around DS9 in some way.
Every Star Trek Movie and Show after Star Trek Enterprise has just been woke garbage. All they do is make a Sci Fi show, slap the name Star Trek on it and call it good. This prequel will just be more of the same woke garbage especially with J.J. Abrams being involved.
Star Trek prequel movie? Pre-Federation? Enterprise did this. Star Trek First Contact did the first alien contact thing. Are there zero new ideas in Hollywood?
I would have liked some kind of DS9 movie perhaps to see what happened to Ben Sisko after the events of the show.
But I can’t see it happening now with Aaron Eisenberg and Rene Auberjonois now dead. And DS9 has kinda been forgotten by the people in charge of the making Star Trek stuff.
It was never going to happen.
Ds9 was trek at its maturity, the best trek could be. But marked the beginning of commercial decline.
Maybe it is good that they have forgotten it, so they won’t ruin its legacy.
@@luna-hw9li indeed.
I'd rather they leave ds9 behind (get it)
@@iwanttoseeeverything1071 that is definitely 'in the cards'
There’s enough Star Trek content available for cable to devote a 24/7 cable channel! Gosh almighty who is this next movie for? Anyway? Strange New Worlds hits the mark every once in a while but personally, I’m praying for a Tarantino direct alternate universe version along the lines of A Piece Of The Action but a slow build to an Inglorious Bastards finish. That i would pay to see!
EVERYTHING from 2009 on I WILL NOT consider canon. It is all shit. Stupid writers, woke bullshit. Awful.
All trek since 2005 is incredibly silly, juvenile, poorly written, badly conceived manure.
I’m with you. Unless they wipe out all the garbage from 2009 until present and start fresh moving forward appropriately I won’t watch Trek. I gave up on it a while ago. Same with Star Wars.
@vinnyv949 I agree, and it is bothersome. I have loved trek my entire life. It sounds crazy, but it's almost like losing a family member to some strange cult...
Same here 💯🎯
NCIS: Star Trek Pre-Prequel. The lowest circle of Hell.
There are no scathing analogies left to use.
Trek is a cul de sac of absolute crap, in every way that matters.
I was cool with the idea of an alternate timeline when they argued it was for the purpose of doing new things with old Star Trek. Then they go and copy The Wrath of Khan and get everything about it spectacularly wrong. That's when I dipped out of JJ Trek.
Zero interest at this point. Especially with Kinsberg and his spotty resume (Dark Phoenix was horrible). I really think they should let it go dormant for a while. Give it some rest and bring it back in 5 years
It's already de-canonized.
From the early 70’s through the mid-2010’s I ate, breathed and slept movies. I was there on opening day for every major film opening as far back as I can remember.
But now we have come to a time when I have nothing to look forward to, nothing to geek out over, and no reason to visit a theater. All my favorite franchises are dead or dying and they just don’t know it. Many actors I have enjoyed have shown themselves to be deranged assholes not worthy of my hard earned cash, and even if they were, there’s nothing good out there anymore.
Seeing Hollywood Babylon’s sudden and total implosion would be satisfying were it not for my complete and utter love for it.
It’s definitely a dark and terrible time for fans of escapist entertainment.
Same here, my wife and I would spend the entire week looking forward to a dinner and movie on Friday night. I would mark on my calendar opening dates of SF and F movies. I haven't done that in years.
@ I followed movie news production developments , I devoured DVD extra features and commentaries. I read Starlog as a kid and knew all about Star Wars in 1975. I was a nut. I used to watch the Oscars and tried to see most of the movies, but I always had my favorites to win. It’s like a past-life experience at this point.
I'm with you, it's definitely sad how things have gone in recent years
@ I think I’ve done alright but there is definitely a whole part of my brain I could throw out at this point.
I am reminded of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where the increasing use of time travel has screwed up the timeline so much that we have "The Campaign for Real Time" fighting to conserve what accurate history remains. Likewise here, we have so many prequels, alternate realities and reboots that it's turning the foundations of Star Trek into Swiss cheese.
All the new star treks, especially season 3 of Picard, just made me not care anymore at all.
I once heard someone say that Star Trek is a "period piece" set in our possible future. With TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, they've done a pretty decent job at world building and setting up a future that we (as the audience) want to see and live in. With that said, I agree, it's time to move forward. It's time to tell stories in the Star Trek Picard era of time. It will allow writers to reference things that happened on the shows that people actually love, revisit characters that people have wondered about while having them interact with new characters. The new Star Trek movie could be about any number of things.. Let's see The Q on the big screen in some way? Species 8472 perhaps? I do like how Strange New Worlds is using The Gorn.....seeing them in a movie would be cool. None of them have to be part of the main plot, but it would be nice to see a movie in the era of time we already know interacting with a Starfleet that we've come to love.
I really like the idea of exploring the origins of the Federation, but as a series instead of a stand-alone film. So, this feels like a huge missed opportunity to me.
Enterprise should have been that show.
Been saying for 20 years that Enterprise was rushed out of space dock.
It sounds good in theory. I have zero faith, the studio will hire qualified ppl, for this task.
Star Trek, Dr Who, Indiana Jones etc are ancient history . We NEED NEW people, NEW DREAMS and a NEW Vision .Time to put the past to rest and let NEW Creative people build NEW legends. Time to turn the page on the old and embrace a new bright future .
I called Lens Flare Boy's Trek movies "What If Trek".
Subscribed. Dave provides even handed and insightful comment as it regards 'modern' entertainment. Always a go-to channel to get a feel for what to anticipate and/or what to avoid. Cheers!
Never get a Garak movie, thats a crime
As another fictional character remarked, ""A device is yet to be invented that will measure my indifference to this." The parts of Star Trek that I love still live in my memory. The sharks can halve the rest.
I love sci-fi, I want to see more sci-fi stuff. I don't want to see the same 2 franchises over and over and over...
No chance in hell of me watching this movie - Trek is dead for me - Forever.
It's Dead Jim!
I don’t mind a prequel as long as it’s done well and sticks to canon! I loved Enterprise and if we had something that expanded on it I’m all for that!
I was willing to give the 2009 Star Trek a chance. As soon as I saw the super market barcode scanners, I knew it was over for me. The cast was actually quite good. What they did with them is unforgivable.
Hearing the Beastie Boys playing was pretty much the ending for me personally.
I don't give a shit so long as the writing and story is good. Setting it as a sequel isn't going to magically erase all the problems NewTrek has boldly taken us to.
You care... That is why you made the video
I care because I'm watching the video
We care because we want the franchise to get better
Star Trek: The Stone Age? The crew are the first humans on a newly created earth.
I’m only a minute in but I completely agree.
I wasn’t interested in going back in time, it seemed like a cop out.
Prequels had already flooded the market by that point and were played out. Apparently 23 years later… it’s only me and a select few who felt that way as they’re still trying to prequel everything.
As much as I love Star Trek and have tried to watch Enterprise, I can’t get onboard with it.
If I have to watch three seasons only to BEGIN to start seeing something good, I’m not bothering. I learnt that hard lesson with Enterprise.
Agreed. Color me skeptical about this new prequel Trek movie.
BTW, my experience with Star Trek Enterprise is very similar. I didn’t really like it at first, but I too came to love it by the end, especially the last two seasons.
It will be 90 minutes of Burnham crying into the camera.
Let's Ride!
I only watched Enterprise recently. Really enjoyed it especially season three.
Agreed. The Vulcan first contact scene in "ST: First Contact" was brought off extremely well. That scene, plus the best parts of "ST: Enterprise", is all the IP really needs. I mean, who is asking for more Star Trek backstory? If filmmakers are going to keep playing in this sandbox, let's see it move forward.
Great video. Honestly I’d like to see a show about the time ships and what they were all about. Hopefully discovery didn’t turn people off to time travel. They could travel between all the great eras from the shows and for example end up dealing with Q after visiting the same point in time Q is dealing with Picard
Oh yes, because origin stories are so great and rarely told!
I still enjoy rewatching Star Trek: Enterprise once a year. It's one of my fav Star Trek shows.
I actually liked the Kelvin movies if only because the actors really brought it. I am hopeful though for a good movie set in the original timeline. My hope is someone learned we need to go back to basics with Star Trek. Btw Beyond was good in that it started by showing the optimism of the future with that awesome snow globe space station. Let's get back to a positive future Trek.
Even the REAL ST movies should not exist.
This might become vaporware, like the 4th ST movie for the Kelvin timeline or many planned SW movies that have evaporated into dust.
However, opportunity-wise, a movie like this sounds like the concept of Enterprise Season 5 being before the Federation and dealing with the contact with the Romulans. It would give many of the actors from Enterprise a chance to come back to reprise their roles (depending on the exact time the movie occurs). I'm surprised that nothing has been considered for the "Lost Era" dealing with Enterprise B or C. However, with the current Nu-trek brand damaged, they really need to consider what they're going to do or simply not do it all. I have little faith in the people behind the helm, especially when everything from TOS to the Enterprise series is labeled as the "Golden Era" by most ST fans. If anything, The Orville has been a wonderful spiritual successor to Star Trek than Nu-Trek could ever dream of.
If I were to do prequels, I’d do them in an animated format (styled more like Invincible, with a tone more akin to TNG) set between TOS and TMP, and would be an adaptation of the cancelled Phase 2 series. Also an Anime (styled similar to Castlevania) series about Sulu on the Excelsior (and perhaps the Enterprise B) set after the Generations Prologue scene but before the launch of the Enterprise C.