I love both tbh. Moving from Elon's Twitter to Threads or Bluesky feels like moving from a chamber full of toxic gas into nature with clear skies, green brass and fresh air.
Bluesky aiming to be the next Twitter is such an interesting move-especially with decentralized social media gaining traction. It’s refreshing to see innovation in a space that feels a bit stagnant post-Twitter chaos.
I think Threads has a taste, it's just not one that a lot of former Twitter users like. It's a blend between that and Instagram. Bluesky has that Twitter sauce. And yes, Mastodon is software. It's like a word processor. Or a video encoder i open occasionally.
I’m leaving Threads for Bluesky for a single reason. In the face of the incoming administration, I do not trust Zuck to protect the privacy and speech of users on any of Meta’s platforms.
David is wrong about the iPad being a stay-at-home device. Every day at universities there are students, faculty, staff, and administrators walking around using iPads (and Surfaces) as their main device. Laptops are more of a stay-at-home device for people would be my argument than a tablet that is easy to carry and mimics a lot of the same UI as modern smartphones.
I just barely signed up for threads and it's already a mess of weeds. I constantly get thread suggestions in my Facebook and on threads for women. I never asked for these and I definitely don't want them (I'm married). I like the fact that bluesky gives you more control over your social media, including the blocking of unwanted content. The moderation settings in BlueSky is incredible. So even if BlueSky is a water hose, you get control over the hose.
I’m done with X. I don’t get the argument that moving to BlueSky is preaching to the choir when using X is preaching into the abyss of hate and discrimination. Threads is car videos and people getting hit in the nuts. It’s awful.
Show and tell segment should be call "did you heard" like gossiping tech news 😂, however unless there's an specific topic is tough to come up with a scoring system.
Last night I created my first Bluesky account and was comparing it against Mastodon. Very interesting to hear your thoughts as I'm developing my own first impressions.
"there is only one server" that's not true. There are many self hosted servers and anyone can host a PDS server of any size, you just don't see what server other users are on because it isn't tied to their identity. Many users on the platform self host, and I've even tried it, so I can confirm, there are other servers, however small, and however different from the idea of Mastodon servers.
I've been on Blue sky about 8 months and I was slowly pulling people over. One by one. But as a entrenched member of black Twitter after this election I made a concerted effort to start pulling people over and to have them pulling their followers over. And that has led to what to a cascade or what we've come to call "The Skimmergration". I also might have yelled at The Verge Sunday night back on Twitter to get that Verge account they have had on there for a while to get going since I bot on a different account was just posting Verge articles. And they listened so kudos. But yeah, blue sky has all the juice. You can actually talk to other people there. And whether you want it or not, "skeets" is what we're calling it. We had Jake tapper live on a CNN saying 'bluesky Skeets'. It's beyond us now. 😌 🦋 It is a cool social. Feels very Facebook in 2004 Twitter 2009. But with much better moderation tools and features. Make no mistake though, this is an altruism. My prime directive is the crater elons X. This is sheer revenge.
Yeah who would want free speech! Keep trying to abolish it in the name of your goals. I know a few dictators that would be very proud of your ideas! Good job!!
No protocol should "win". We don't need another platform as influential as twitter was/is. We don't need a global town square. It'll be better to have multiple smaller town squares.
I don't feel like "show and tell" was any different than the lightning round, bc the lightning round rarely goes quickly anyway, so it's just each of you presenting something you read about that week anyway.
"AGI on current hardware" is the exact opposite of "Our new models are not better". As you said, a research breakthrough is needed, and that is not inherently dependent on boiling the ocean harder. I.e. volume vs quality
I'm not moving to Bluesky because I don't want anymore new social media accounts. When I deactivate my Twitter account, that's it for me. I'll only have Instagram and TikTok left.
I’ve had a hard time finding good pop culture and like lifestyle content on Bluesky it feels like it’s all a certain subset of topics. Threads feels like it’s specifically made for the kind of content I want. Talking about stuff.
I had the same thought; at least the Pixel Tablet can be used as a regular tablet. Just as confused as anyone as to why they're not just making a wall dock of some kind for the existing iPad line and calling it a day
I think you have to be skeptical of anybody with financial interests in tech, but LLMs went from 10th percentile to 90th percentile on the bar exam in a year. Most STEM subject matter experts will tell you they're competive in their respective disciplines as assistants. The Vergecast always seems so dismissive with phrases like, "Line go up." And yet, you think the lessons from Facebook and Google will be the same we learn from Anthropic and OpenAI.
42:20 actually it’s a brilliant idea . Have you tried to engage old people with technology ? It’s not just and iPad I guess you don’t get the friction point that Apple is trying to solve
1:45 - Re Musk changing algorithm - is there an objective proof/article of this take? Surprised Nilay shared such a conclusive opinion as the Verge’s Leader on X’s platform without providing a meaningful verbal substantiation (saying they wrote an article etc). when i didn’t hear enough to objectively get beyond him sharing his own experience.
I don't like that the shift to Bluesky feels politically driven. My goal is to find a network design around connection and not around creation or news. I want people to talk to, not a place to be sold things whether thats a product or an idea, I just want a social network.
Buying Twitter was such a bad move that the only thing he got out of it is a privileged seat at the US government and becoming the right hand of the US president. Bad purchase indeed.
Let's be honest Threads sucked it is basically Instagram with some twitter like features added to it. X's biggest problem is the lack of moderation which is causing users and advertisers to leave the platform due to how toxic it has become. Blue Sky is similar to how Twitter used to be before Elon Musk single handedly destroyed the successful company by axing moderation staff and allowing the vilest disgusting posts and misinformation on the platform which would not have been allowed under the previous ownership.
That’s not actually the news - the news is that those brands collectively spent 98 percent less money on X in 2024 than in 2023 www.adweek.com/media/advertisers-returning-to-x/
Two things drove me away from BlueSky. The weirdo factor and the character count restriction. The latter is just too restrictive for someone who enjoys lucid writing.
Bluesky actually feels like a "Text First'" platform, unlike threads, which is basically the instagram explore page.
I love both tbh. Moving from Elon's Twitter to Threads or Bluesky feels like moving from a chamber full of toxic gas into nature with clear skies, green brass and fresh air.
Bluesky aiming to be the next Twitter is such an interesting move-especially with decentralized social media gaining traction. It’s refreshing to see innovation in a space that feels a bit stagnant post-Twitter chaos.
Took the jump over to Bluesky and the platform feels alive unlike threads where you've got to dance around the algorithm
I think Threads has a taste, it's just not one that a lot of former Twitter users like. It's a blend between that and Instagram.
Bluesky has that Twitter sauce.
And yes, Mastodon is software. It's like a word processor. Or a video encoder i open occasionally.
I’m leaving Threads for Bluesky for a single reason. In the face of the incoming administration, I do not trust Zuck to protect the privacy and speech of users on any of Meta’s platforms.
This. A safe haven from both Meta and X in this moment is a must.
Oh the timing for this is impeccable. I’m on the precipice of migrating.
I joined bluesky this week it great 🤗
Kylie should be a regular on the verge cast
David is wrong about the iPad being a stay-at-home device. Every day at universities there are students, faculty, staff, and administrators walking around using iPads (and Surfaces) as their main device. Laptops are more of a stay-at-home device for people would be my argument than a tablet that is easy to carry and mimics a lot of the same UI as modern smartphones.
can bluesky change it's name to twitter? since x ... is x
That would be amazing
Maybe as an April Fools thing lol
Twitter name is still owned by Elon bruh. Just because he changed it to X doesn’t man he doesn’t own Twitter name.
@@JM-wd3dk Use it or lose it Elon!
@@JM-wd3dk twitter links still work, i wonder if theyll break before X dies
I just barely signed up for threads and it's already a mess of weeds. I constantly get thread suggestions in my Facebook and on threads for women. I never asked for these and I definitely don't want them (I'm married).
I like the fact that bluesky gives you more control over your social media, including the blocking of unwanted content. The moderation settings in BlueSky is incredible. So even if BlueSky is a water hose, you get control over the hose.
Bluesky is pretty awesome so far.
I’m done with X. I don’t get the argument that moving to BlueSky is preaching to the choir when using X is preaching into the abyss of hate and discrimination. Threads is car videos and people getting hit in the nuts. It’s awful.
I VOTE “Show N. Patel” 😂
i’m afraid i need yall to explain how show and tell is different than the lightning round
I… I don’t know
The best thing about blue sky is that there's no disgusting musk smell there
about 25 minutes of open platform talk. now I want another Vergecast and 30 minutes about Tailscale and closed privat platforms 🙏
Show and tell segment should be call "did you heard" like gossiping tech news 😂, however unless there's an specific topic is tough to come up with a scoring system.
Last night I created my first Bluesky account and was comparing it against Mastodon. Very interesting to hear your thoughts as I'm developing my own first impressions.
Isn't 'show and tell' just a slower version of the 'lightning round' with fewer stories?
this was a particularly good episode. also the people (me) demand more kylie
"there is only one server" that's not true. There are many self hosted servers and anyone can host a PDS server of any size, you just don't see what server other users are on because it isn't tied to their identity.
Many users on the platform self host, and I've even tried it, so I can confirm, there are other servers, however small, and however different from the idea of Mastodon servers.
Just signed up BlueSky, it’s awesome! Imagine X and TruthSocial merges in the coming year, just a dumpster fire!
I've been on Blue sky about 8 months and I was slowly pulling people over. One by one. But as a entrenched member of black Twitter after this election I made a concerted effort to start pulling people over and to have them pulling their followers over.
And that has led to what to a cascade or what we've come to call "The Skimmergration".
I also might have yelled at The Verge Sunday night back on Twitter to get that Verge account they have had on there for a while to get going since I bot on a different account was just posting Verge articles.
And they listened so kudos.
But yeah, blue sky has all the juice. You can actually talk to other people there. And whether you want it or not, "skeets" is what we're calling it.
We had Jake tapper live on a CNN saying 'bluesky Skeets'.
It's beyond us now. 😌 🦋
It is a cool social. Feels very Facebook in 2004 Twitter 2009. But with much better moderation tools and features.
Make no mistake though, this is an altruism. My prime directive is the crater elons X. This is sheer revenge.
What's "black Twitter"?
You should use darkmode on OLED and light mode on LCD displays - it's just first principles thinking.
Yeah who would want free speech! Keep trying to abolish it in the name of your goals. I know a few dictators that would be very proud of your ideas! Good job!!
The problem is that the people who have clout on Twitter refuse to give it up in order to migrate elsewhere
Whenever I hear talk about cloistered silos my mind immediately jumps to those two Beau of the Fifth Column Silo videos.
Show and Tell should be renamed "Lightning Round Pro Max".
No protocol should "win". We don't need another platform as influential as twitter was/is. We don't need a global town square. It'll be better to have multiple smaller town squares.
A bunch of little echo chambers, eh?
Great Podcast All.Watched it Yesterday. 💯✌️
The holiday special this year needs to be a couple hours of examples of algorithmic collapse...
I don't feel like "show and tell" was any different than the lightning round, bc the lightning round rarely goes quickly anyway, so it's just each of you presenting something you read about that week anyway.
"Mastadon will be the next twitter!"
"Threads will be the next twitter!"
"Bluesky will be the next twitter!"
Twitter is impossible to dethrone
Except threads is actually getting there. They already have 200M users, almost half of what twitter currently has.
@@ignacioband wat about post activity ?
@@ignaciob no, it has 200M downloads. It has around 1.5M active users while twitter has around 60M active users
Just like every phone was a BlackBerry killer until iPhone showed up.😂
"AGI on current hardware" is the exact opposite of "Our new models are not better". As you said, a research breakthrough is needed, and that is not inherently dependent on boiling the ocean harder. I.e. volume vs quality
I'm not moving to Bluesky because I don't want anymore new social media accounts. When I deactivate my Twitter account, that's it for me. I'll only have Instagram and TikTok left.
And RUclips since you clearly comment on it
so why be in the most toxic social media (tiktok and instagram)?
I’ve had a hard time finding good pop culture and like lifestyle content on Bluesky it feels like it’s all a certain subset of topics.
Threads feels like it’s specifically made for the kind of content I want. Talking about stuff.
Bluesky definitely picking up!
Department of Government Efficiency = DOGE.
Elon thinks he’s funny!
Show and tell should be the St. Elmo's Round, because it's just a slower lightning round
The iPad is just the Google pixel tablet, but iOS. A bad tablet with a dock
I had the same thought; at least the Pixel Tablet can be used as a regular tablet. Just as confused as anyone as to why they're not just making a wall dock of some kind for the existing iPad line and calling it a day
BlueSky users are kind and nice.
Twitter users are hostile and unsafe.
Look. Just the fact they call the posts on Bluesky "Skeeting" sold me 😂😂😂😂
Masteodon was just far too confusing to join for a huge amount of people
it's really not more complicated than email.
That's a ridiculous statement, the pick a server confuses everyone who isn't tech savvy
I recently got back on Bluesky and I think it's a better interface than Threads...it just feels better.
I still have X but I go there less and less.
Is it just me or does this episode have a LOT of words from sponsors?
Great episode team
The reason Nilay's 7/10 is so brutal is because his 7s are actually 6s
apple is making a pixel tablet clone but it just functions as a google home
Obsessed with thin, green Nilay
Segment name ideas:
- Share & Score
- Report Cards
- News Bytes
- Byte Me 😆
You didn't give out the X figures in your social rundown???
It’s actually pretty good ngl
The food at Wonder is really bad. Like truly inedible.
43:08 David it's obviously a HomePad+homepod mini + homeLock
Oh no.. David is an Apple Vision Pro..
Thank god, not another bro fest after all.
The verge seems like a bluesky kind of user of that app
58:29 In TX, we got something called Favor and it’s owned by the god-tier grocery chain, HEB.
I wish the video podcast was in the actual podcast and not just on youtube.
I'll probably stick to Mastodon, don't see any reason to migrate
I need an Instagram alternative with a paid, ad-free tier. Instagram ads are brutal.
I think you have to be skeptical of anybody with financial interests in tech, but LLMs went from 10th percentile to 90th percentile on the bar exam in a year. Most STEM subject matter experts will tell you they're competive in their respective disciplines as assistants. The Vergecast always seems so dismissive with phrases like, "Line go up." And yet, you think the lessons from Facebook and Google will be the same we learn from Anthropic and OpenAI.
37: 55 That has to be the stupidest Ad for AT&T I have ever heard.
Bluesky all the way bc Threads is by Facebook by MarK Zuckerberg
42:20 actually it’s a brilliant idea . Have you tried to engage old people with technology ? It’s not just and iPad I guess you don’t get the friction point that Apple is trying to solve
Have you ever tried to open a garage door with HomeKit?
Threads being a creator platform is just stupid. 9:12
56:19 lol david had that score in the chamber wtf.
Banned from blue sky for posting “2genders?” 😂😂
My first episode in a while. What happened to Alex?
Someone forgot the music!
1:45 - Re Musk changing algorithm - is there an objective proof/article of this take? Surprised Nilay shared such a conclusive opinion as the Verge’s Leader on X’s platform without providing a meaningful verbal substantiation (saying they wrote an article etc). when i didn’t hear enough to objectively get beyond him sharing his own experience.
I thought David was working on his studio setting, seems he is taking a looooooot of time.
jesus christ that investor ad goes on
Sorry but Bluesky get's boring quickly, it misses Video content. The actually cool new one is Rabbilo
it does have video now
"show and yell" 😉
put macos on ipad and let people do what they want with it,
Everyone that cares about the future of our democracy & freedom of speech needs to get in Bluesky 🦋everyday like HW
Make it great ! 🦋
All tyrants are what they say they're not.
I don't like that the shift to Bluesky feels politically driven. My goal is to find a network design around connection and not around creation or news. I want people to talk to, not a place to be sold things whether thats a product or an idea, I just want a social network.
This. I’ve stopped following companies on these platforms and I am now following people. I don’t want to be sold stuff when browsing social media.
intro wrong intro too quiet where’s the music where’s the music!!! silence!!!!!
🦋Bluesky
Save our 1st amendment !
Lmfao, how? By having a crazy ecochamber?
yay kylie!
Won’t happen, needs to happen organically.
It is happening “organically”.
Am I the only one considering Kylie to be the next co-host for Vergecast? She reports on AI - important for Vergecast for the near future
Buying Twitter was such a bad move that the only thing he got out of it is a privileged seat at the US government and becoming the right hand of the US president. Bad purchase indeed.
He got the president he wanted. It worked. With Trump’s ear he’ll be able to get any tax breaks and contracts he needs.
What's the cost of free speech apparently it's extremely expensive in a country where free speech is supposed to be the 1st amendment
@@guillermocalvillo3102 true
💙❤
BS aka reddit echo chamber x100
Nilay is so Trump deranged, he probably can't even eat an orange
We need a kamala harris platform. I almost died when she lost.
Us democrats need eachother
The crazy thing is Threads got an entire Blue Sky user base worth of new users yesterday.
The quest to be a new echo-chamber for cultists.
Julian is a master at taking forever to say nothing
Nilay - always have loved the content. But you're obsessing a little too much over Elon & Trump.
Let's be honest Threads sucked it is basically Instagram with some twitter like features added to it. X's biggest problem is the lack of moderation which is causing users and advertisers to leave the platform due to how toxic it has become. Blue Sky is similar to how Twitter used to be before Elon Musk single handedly destroyed the successful company by axing moderation staff and allowing the vilest disgusting posts and misinformation on the platform which would not have been allowed under the previous ownership.
Bluesky is awesome because Elon Musk who owns X helped Donal Trump win elections 😂- thats what Vergecast is trying to tell us 😂
Prove to me your media comprehension is terrible without explicitly saying so.
Today: Comcast, IBM, Disney, Warner Bros. Discovery, and Lionsgate Entertainment (some others) are all resuming advertising on X.
That’s not actually the news - the news is that those brands collectively spent 98 percent less money on X in 2024 than in 2023 www.adweek.com/media/advertisers-returning-to-x/
I dont think these guys know Twitter
😂👍
Bluesky is freedom and democracy - we must support it
Two things drove me away from BlueSky. The weirdo factor and the character count restriction. The latter is just too restrictive for someone who enjoys lucid writing.
Compared to Twitter the weirdo count on BlueSky is not even noticeable.
@@darrens3 "The guy on the radio said there is ONE wrong-way-driver - BUT I SEE HUNDREDS!!"
You people are the epitome of what people hated about Bluechecks. Imagine thinking Twitter used to be balanced.
Hello