RTX 4070 vs RX 6800 XT: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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The RX 6800 XT has been one of the best value GPUs in its price class for a long time now. Now that the RTX 4070 is available, has it dethroned the 6800 XT as the best value GPU in the price class? Well unfortunately, the 4070 launched at a high enough price that they are not even direct price competitors, and the 4070 is competing more directly with the 6950 XT (watch my full comparison here: • RTX 4070 vs RX 6950 XT... ). But does the 4070 offer enough benefits over the cheaper 6800 XT to consider the upsell? Let's find out in the RTX 4070 vs RX 6800 XT ultimate comparison in the latest games and engines including Unreal Engine 5, RT on/off, DLSS and FSR on/off, and Frame Generation on/off.
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Chapters:
0:00 The 4070 vs 6800 XT current pricing
1:18 If you use your GPU for work, not just gaming
1:45 Generative AI (Hubspot)
3:33 Unreal Engine 5: 1440p Epic (Fortnite)
4:40 UE5 Ray Tracing Epic 1440p (Fortnite)
5:23 UE5: RT w/ Upscaling DLSS vs TSR Quality 1440p (Fortnite)
6:07 UE5: 1440p High (Fortnite)
6:48 UE5: 1080p Epic (Fortnite)
7:31 UE5: 4K Epic (Fortnite)
8:14 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
9:20 Frame Generation w/Ray Tracing Ultra w/DLSS vs FSR2 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p
10:28 Ray Tracing Medium 1440p Cyberpunk 2077
11:34 Ray Tracing Low 1440p Cyberpunk 2077
12:40 Ray Tracing: RE4 Remake 1440p Max Preset
13:08 Ray Tracing: RE4 Remake 4K Max Preset
13:39 Ray Tracing: RE4 Remake 1080p Max Preset
14:08 Ray Tracing: Forspoken 1440p Ultra-High
14:32 Ray Tracing: Forspoken 4K Ultra-High
14:56 Ray Tracing: Forspoken 1080p Ultra-High
15:21 The Last of Us Part 1 1440p Ultra
15:55 The Last of Us Part 1 4K Ultra
16:29 The Last of Us Part 1 1080p Ultra
17:04 A Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra
17:36 A Plague Tale Requiem 4K Ultra
18:08 A Plague Tale Requiem 1080p Ultra
18:39 Call of Duty Modern Warfare II 1440p Balanced
19:10 Call of Duty Modern Warfare II 1080p Balanced
19:41 Call of Duty Modern Warfare II 4K Balanced
20:12 Returnal 1440p Epic (UE4)
20:43 Returnal 1080p Epic (UE4)
21:14 Returnal 4K Epic (UE4)
21:46 The Callisto Protocol 1440p Ultra (UE4)
22:29 The Callisto Protocol 1080p Ultra (UE4)
23:13 The Callisto Protocol 4K Ultra (UE4)
23:57 God of War 1440p Ultra (DirectX 11)
24:22 God of War 4K Ultra (DirectX 11)
24:46 God of War 1080p Ultra (DirectX 11)
25:10 Red Dead Redemption 2 1440p Max Preset (Vulkan)
25:36 Red Dead Redemption 2 4K Max Preset (Vulkan)
26:04 Red Dead Redemption 2 1080p Max Preset (Vulkan)
26:33 Final Thoughts: The 6800 XT crushes Nvidia at same price
27:23 Final Thoughts: But is it worth an extra $60 for the 4070?
32:51 Final Thoughts: Personally I would pay the extra $60 for the features
35:30 I still hate that the 4070 isn't $500 and disrupting the last-gen market
36:40 Summary 
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No we don’t want ur crappy Ngreedia fake frame propaganda book 🤡 imagine lying to people about fake frames and rt being actually worthwhile features just bcz of 💰
cant you get the 6950XT for just 650$, isnt that a better option than the 4070 for just 50$?
Let's speculate, if FSR3 is on par with DLSS2, will that change your opinion any?
@@ComputerProfessor I already compared the 6950xt at that price ruclips.net/video/z109Di2g5s8/видео.html
The more direct AMD price competitor is the 6950XT and I've done that comparison as well: ruclips.net/video/z109Di2g5s8/видео.html
@@Mercstar AMD is pro-consumer? Lol
amd is a business, nvidia is too
@@Mercstar I mean sure if you're happy with 3060 levels of performance, then sure Intel is an option.
@@Wobbothe3rd AMD currently has a minuscule market share of GPUs, so it has no other choice but to play aggressively in order to beat Nvidia.
@@sovo1212 This is a big pro for supporting the underdog. They have much more motivation to give you more performance for your money. They also work harder on increasing performance through driver updates. AMD also wins by developing technology for all to use freely, while nvidia is like Apple, trying to lock features behind their hardware. It will bite them in the end. Think about Voodoo. They were on top, till they weren't.
love how a newly released card has less rasterization power and vram than one that came out 3 years ago. Keep buying it and raising the prices tho
True, because rasterization is literally everything that makes a GPU. Oh wait.
@@Tripnotik25 it’s most of it……..Lol
@@Tripnotik25 It does tho? RT is a gimmick that serves little purpose for anybody unless its for productivity. Gaming? Id rather be stabbed than play games at handicapped performance. If a GPU needs a boost to be viable, thats a shit GPU.
This!
@@Tripnotik25 way to tell the world you're an Nvidia fanboy who knows literally nothing about gpu's. Rasterization is literally one of the biggest factors on how good a gpu is. Of course there's memory bus size and how much memory it has and such, but rasterization is like the bread to a pb&j sandwich. If you dont have it, you just made an unusable mess
The fact that this brand new 4070 is competing against the 6800xt launched 2.5 yrs ago is very telling. Nvidia is the new Intel in terms of price stagnation. I can see a lot of OEMs stuck with these overpriced cards while Nvidia laughs all the way to the bank. First crypto, now AI first. Nvidia is obviously transitioning away from being a gaming focused company. Yaaay!
Gaming is becoming increasingly very AI focused...so maybe rethink your comment.AMD is playing catch up most of the time.I have nothing against AMD,but we need to face the facts...their feature set is holding them back.
DLSS is AI based is it not ?,
@@spandel100 Your comment makes no sense, when it comes to raw power. 6800 XT will serve people for 5 more years at 1080p and for 2-3 years at 1440p on ultra settings 60hz. When it comes to productivity - there is no point to discuss how much better 4070 is in most cases.
I own 6800 XT, because I'm a GAMER and games I play will never play better on 4070. I don't care about any "AI" or upscalling technologies. All I want is raw power and a lot of frames generated without any gaps or mistakes.
@@bigboss8647 Yes.
@@eugenijusdolgovas9278 You said it..."the games you play".Thats all good and I am happy for you.I am very much a believer in Ray Tracing and DLSS though...so for me the 4070 was the choice.Wasn't dissing AMD,just stating facts and the merits of AI.
Can you please make an ARC A770 16GB comparison video with the RX 6700XT ? There aren't enough videos about the ARC GPU's out there. Since it keeps getting better with new drivers old videos are already outdated. I already know the 6700XT is faster in rasterized performance but that gap keeps getting smaller and the A770 does have the extra 4GB VRAM for the same price so i'm just super confused on which i should get.
when is a770 going to finish beta tests? its still in early access isnt it
@@danielkowalski7527 I've been using two Arcs since launch, they are a lot different now than launch.
If you want a just works gpu, get the 6700xt, if you don't mind some growing pains (reportedly way less than release) get arc. In terms of real world performance, I think a770 is currently slightly behind? At least it varies with games. It's definitely the better hardware at that price point.
That doesn't produce views. Slander and bad review's do.
alchemist is not a subject for any interesting comparison. it's last gen entry level performance card. I'd rather wait for refresh or battlemage.
If the 4070 had 16GB it would have been a more worthwhile upgrade. It will be showing it's VRAM limitation more and more in the next year or two.
And guess what, it will make you upgrade again and just buy more nvidia cards...smart move nvidia
It’s already showing it’s limitations lmao Hub showed that 12gb ALREADY isn’t enough even at 1440p, even a 6700/6750xt would be a better choice for the same price. Ngreedias entire lineup pales in comparison to Radeon 6000/7000
*Edit - if you like this comment you are a certified AMDUNCE meat rider ☠️
@Drip It's entirely enough. I'll tell you why. Even using a 4070ti fully maxed out in RE4 at 4k will go over 12GB (for some reason) Now just turn shadows down to high and textures down a notch. 100% you will not see the difference at all so at this stage it's just fickle and a 4070ti isn't even targeted at 4k
it will not, on 1440p 2 or 3 games need more than 10gb vram, issues might be on 4k, but this is pure 1440p gpu, if oyu looking at 4k 4080 4090 or 7900+ is the way to go. this is for mid ranger who play on 1440p 60-144hz with ultra settings and ultra ray tracing.
@@Drip7914 ok list me all games that need above 12gb vram on 1440p. ill be waiting.
Got my 6800 for a little over $400. Super happy with it. Overclocked and undervolted it and have never had any issues, even in Last of Us.
What are your settings? I got the card recently and wanna do the same
@@Yes-yx6uc I used a youtube channel "ancient gameplay" and used "6800" in the title. This guy is good. There may be better out there, but I'm crushing it and stable. Good luck Yes!
@@ShnozzleShabizzle Thanks for the help 🙂
@@ShnozzleShabizzlehow is it until now? Should i buy it or just go for the 4070
@@mesharialfaris3542 still well worth it to me. No issues whatsoever. That said it looks like the 4070 benchmarks a bit higher than the 6800. Not to mention 6800 is a product from 2020, whilst the 4070 is from 2023.
So you probably would go 4070 since its a newer product.
So just do your homework on them. Also i believe the 4070 is cheaper by $100 as of now, so thats a factor.
Good luck on your hunt!
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About two months after this video went up the 6800 XT has dropped another 40 dollars in price, to 499, whereas the 4070 has only dropped 10 dollars, to 589. It's just not a good look for Nvidia to barely being able to hold its own against a 2.5 years old card that is 90 dollars less expensive and has 4 gigs more VRAM for better future proofing in an era where VRAM usage in gaming seems to be exploding. The irony in a 2.5 years old card being more future proof than a brand new one.
And now it's 420 on Amazon and 360 on ebay
Just a heads up in Serbia, 6800xt is around 680 bucks but the 4070 is 780 and that ratio is a lot better then usa, so buying it here kinda is a good choice
lmao i see the rx 6800xt on amazon for 550 rn u trippin
@@sosuhh amazon there aint no amazon here
@@milosmilinkov1689 you tell em !
Can't even beat a 6800XT. What a piece of crap.
If it had 16gb and was $500 I would maybe buy it. Otherwise it is crushed in every metric compared to the 6800 XT with the exception of RT(I will never use because I am very sensitive to low fps so max fps is crucial for this lower level of performance) and energy consumption(which is like 70% the usage as the 6800 XT, I play in a huge room and my case and power supply would be totally happy to accommodate this GPU)
I can buy one for $350 locally. At this price and with my particular criteria, the 6800 XT is objectively a better buy. Not just better but like 50% better value.
Gonna suck hard when your expensive PC can't play path traced titles, because you went muh rasterization, no one's buying AMD at this price range.
@@sumansaha295 it will be a decade before there is a single competitive game that is primarily raytraced. It amazes me that so many people can't seem to grasp the concept that many gamers do not value RT in the least. There are the "pixel art enthusiasts" and then there are skilled gamers that enjoy winning against real people. No offense intended but I am sure it comes off offensive 😬
@@sumansaha295 The majority of gamers do not care and it will take a decade for games to fully implement path tracing when 1650 is the no. 1 GPU. Plus, even a 4090 struggles with PT, so your argument is invalid.
The temperature you're showing is the hotspot or just the regular temperature on the tip of the card?
Nice videos, keep it up
Greetings from Brazil 👍
Excellent presentation! I'm stuck exactly between these two GPU choices for my upcoming build. Much food for thought here!
As of July 19, price difference is $90. Hard to justify NVIDIA except for professional needs.
Anyone noticed how the 6800XT takes more power in general because of course it would be, older manufacturing process + higher power class generation for generation BUT in TLoU in 1080 their power consumption seems to come closer, which means that there is room for optimization and that the 6800XT is underperforming because of that.
Edit:6800 XT seems to be winning on in a lot of these in regards to frame times, it's smoother more often.
is it just me or does the nvidia exhibit a stutter in the frame rates.. the amd seems smoother even when running at lower fps..
Good video. IF you are thinking of buying a 4070/4070ti THEN I suggest holding off, many tech sites are reporting there is about to be a $50 price drop because they aren't selling well, especially the 4070 in North America.
How bad are the 4070 sales locally for me? I could go to my local big box pc store a week after launch and easily fill my pick truck with the amount of 4070's in stock, I might need to bring a trailer.
@qpurr A 4070/4070 Ti can run just about anything on max settings at 1440p. Turning on DLSS makes 4k viable. A lot of people considering the 4070/4070 Ti have cards between a GTX 970 to RTX 2070. A 4070 is a massive upgrade.
Measuring sales by availability is complete folly. You're just measuring supply, which NVidia controls.
@@SedatedSloth You are completely brainwashed by review sites. A 4070 does not have to "turn settings down" at 1080 or 1440p, with the exception of RT, which would have to be turned down for any card at or below $600 right now. A 4070 DEMOLISHES 99% of games at 1440p max settings.
These comparisons only apply to US markets... It's so annoying.
I'll never benefit from these deals because AMD didn't give my region enough stock, so a new 6800xt, 6900xt, etc is around the same price of a 7900xt, or even a 4070ti.
It's just ridiculous. If you want AMD in my country, you have to buy used, because if pricing is the same, there is no reason to chose AMD over Nvidia
That a shame
Your situation sounds very unique if AMD 6800 XT is the more expensive one. Best of luck.
same here. 6800 xt still costs 150€ more... if u can catch it in stock that is... which is pretty sad for me as I'm the few who was always leaning towards AMD
@@c.g.silver8782 where are you located. For me in Germany in december I bought a 6950xt for about 300 € less than a 3080 non ti awnd only 8gb. So happy I got that for that price
@@MrGermanletsplayerxD Spain, in a remote location. not even amazon is an option here 😑
It's so sad that in my country prices on GPUs are like ×1.5 for Nvidia and for some reason ×2.5 for AMD of yours. 4090 costs over 2700$! You could buy a good handled car with that or setup with 3080 ti.
I'm still so happy with my rig(Ryzen 7 1700, 16 gigs of RAM and GTX 1650) for almost 1000$ at the moment(we're a bit poor family), and now I wish to at least get myself a 3050 that costs 400$ here. These prices are so frustrating.
same here.... still amd costs less than nvidia for nearly the same performance
If you're from europe you can order from germanamazon deliveries are like 50$ max and prices are not that high.
@@SamsungSmartWasher yeeeeaaaaah... about that. Belarus. Sanctions and stuff. Most definitely won't work out for me.
the production level AI workloads needs thousands of H100 or MI300 gpus in efficient clouds, the AI in the consumer end is probably mostly inference. In that regard, I suggest to look at what the AI Asic chip, AMD provided in the Pheonix APU. that's mostly applicable usage of AI in consumer end.
Guys, guys don't worry! I bought myself this nice leather jacket just yesterday!
Now step aside poor people, I'm gonna talk to the CEO of greed and ask him for a new GPU 😎
the problem is that the 4070 is not the price of the 6800XT (on newegg for example it is basically $600 vs $500")
so it is a card that is +/- the same perf, came out 3 years later but costs 100 bucks more right at this moment.
Sure but for 100 more you get Ray Tracing, better upscaling and better power consumption.
@@_qwe_fk_1700 rt on anything below 4080 is a joke.
@@_qwe_fk_1700 100$ for a 4060
rename
@@dededede9257 and the 6800xt is a renamed rx 6400
@@_qwe_fk_1700 very funny bro
The 4070's incredibly power efficient. Capable of producing 3080 level of performance at a 100 watts (or more) less power. Its draw (pun intended) is actually its very low power draw. But aside from that, it doesn't have much going for it in terms of generational performance improvement.
finally someone sees the big picture. I shit on nvidia for the shit performance increases, but I acknowledge that the long term power efficiency does justify purchasing it over last gen amd.
@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 enjoy your 12gb of vram in 1-2 years or so, don't forget to lower your settings so your game won't crash! Lmao.
Terrible shilling my man, now look at the memory bus and the amount of vram that 4070 has, but hey if you enjoy rebuying your cards every 2 years be my guest lol.
@@rq3167 enjoy your bandwagon of electric bills and a free summer room heating. when you can't look past current performance and exploit other benefits, you deserve it all.
@@rq3167 trust me nvidia will release ti , super versions with 16gb ram soon , but that is atleast 6 month away , not to mention , nvidia want to clear 3000 series inventory too , right now price wise top model rx 6950xt is 122 dollar cheaper than 4070 and has 4 gb more ram than 4070 , and it is 10 to 15% more faster in raster than 4070 , dlss and fsr will continue to improve , amd will launch fsr3 soon and frame generation will only look good on high frame rate otherwise it looks worse on 60 frames , sure 6950 will consume more power but that is only for gaming , idle general power use is similar for both 6950 and 4070 and i will undervolt 6950 somewhat to reduce power draw
I upgraded from a 3060ti to a 6800XT and I can also confirm it has been worth every penny I spent, games are more smooth than they have ever been thanks to having an insane amount of Vram. The last of us Part 1 was finally playable. I dont understand how the 4070 can be $100 more and have less Vram than a 6800XT. AMD wins this generation.
Not FG
DLSS > FSR.
Amd win with raster.
@@jetsp a 6950 cost the same as a 4070, a 6800xt is even cheaper. AMD won. Raster or not, 6950 can do same ray tracing as it.
I notice the 1% Lows are way better than my 2080
@@CheGames497 My issue with AMD last gen is, that they draw sooo much more power. 4000s efficiency is actually the main selling point for me. Price is still too high and Vram is too sparce. Maybe it's deliberate to make 5000s series have a clear performance uplift without much other improvements.
@@brohvakiindova4452 it’s like 60$ a year, that’s the dumbest reasoning. And ya, nvidia is doing the apple model, slight improvements or else you’ll hold your cards longer and won’t be customers as often. It’s late stage free market capitalism, make shit that breaks so you can sell another. Buy all the houses so everyone has to rent. Make everything expensive so everyone is a wage slave. Ya we know. But the energy usage is still marginal when you look at an electric bill.
I'm currently playing games (primarily DayZ and still PUBG) at 1080p, but am looking at entering 1440p gaming this year and looking for a good price-to-performance upgrade from my 2060 KO. Between the 6800XT and the 4070, I'm leaning towards the 4070 since I currently have a 650W PWS and won't need that upgrade vs the 6800XT. This video has been helpful for me to help me be comfortable with that decision.
I play dayz a lot, 6800XT runs this game poorly. Trust me, I own 6800XT. My nephew gets better fps and frames on 1060. If you primarily play dayz, I would recommend to stick with team green. On all other instances 6800XT is a beast.
For those games only, both gpu's deliver more than enough performance on 1440p don't worry. The difficulty of choosing comes when you plkay demanding games that hardly pass 60fps on your desired settings, situation when the quality of features or 1% lows comes into play.
You would have been better off getting the 6950xt which cost 30$ more.
@@alexandernoskov60 what processor do u have? maybe its cpu bottleneck!
@@emanuelacosta2541 it was paired with 5600X initially, and with 5800X3D now: same choppy and laggy performance. Game was flying with 5600X + RTX3070
This comparison is very helpfull for all the people who want to upgrade their outdated GPUs.
The difference in price was over $100 last month when I picked up my 6800xt. Very happy with my choice as the extra cash went toward more memory.
The RTX 4070 is a good card for sure, but not particularly exciting at $600. It would be much more enticing at $500-550. It uses WAY less power than 3080 and 6800 XT. You can realistically run a 4070 on a good 550 watt PSU (cheaper than what you need for 3080 and 6800 XT), and your power bill will also be lower. The 40 series in general doesn't have the same transient power draw spikes that the 30 series and 6000 series had. I'm running a 4070 Ti with a Ryzen 7 5800x with 4 case fans, 3 SSDs, & a HDD, and it just barely touches 500 watts total power draw in the most demanding games. Most of the time it stays well under 500 watts while gaming. I have an EVGA 650 watt PSU powering the whole thing flawlessly.
Yup, I'm looking to upgrade and a 6800XT would push my 650W PSU very close to its limit. Also less power means less heat, it's not that insignificant.
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Remember that the Rx 6800 XT is older, you can get a used one much cheaper than the RTX 4070. I got a RX 6800 XT for 400 dollars, the 4070 is 700 dollars here(rough value in local currency).
Facts
It makes alot of sense to support AMD more now than ever for us the consumer.
I'm skeptical that the 12g vram on the 4070 is going to be enough memory in a year or two...we are already seeing titles that are using more than 12gig. There's plenty of reviews out there showing 8gig gpus are a solid NO so 12 seems like way too little...sad that nVida wouldn't spend 20 bucks more for at least 16gig...then again if they did that you wouldn't have to buy a new gpu every year or two.
I wouldn't buy any mid range card with less than 16gb now, consoles are 16gb so most new AAA titles will target that
Daniel said he would be upgrading every generation. That’s why 12GB is enough for him because by the time it isn’t he’ll be upgrading to a newer generation anyways.
@@BladeXDNumeroUno Especially that PS4 with 8gb is entering end of life. PS5 games no longer need to work with 8gb of shared RAM, now they only need to target 16gb
@@BladeXDNumeroUno Xbox Series X has 10GB of fast RAM. PS5 can allot up to 12GB of textures. That 16GB is unified between system ram and vram so it will never have 16GB worth of textures. Also games that are optimized for Series S will have to be made to accommodate only 10GB of total RAM (so probably 7GB of VRAM or so).
@@BladeXDNumeroUno This is the key comment! People who are buying overpriced 8-12gb models will be sorely dissappointed and feel hustled, especially the Nvidia fanboys, not soon from now ^^ For 350-400 i'd consider a 4070
Epic work as usual!
Hey Daniel, could you please also talk about Coil Whining? / Thanks for the videos!
16gb vram is 16gb vram
if they are both the same price, it's a close contest but i'd probably take the 4070 because of its power draw and efficiency, taking 6800xt might also be a good option because of its fine wine drivers and extra vram
HOWEVER, in the used market, 6800xt is a no brainer, where i'm from, used 6800xt is around $350-400, no way anyone is taking a 4070 for that extra money.
I would get the 6800 XT if i were you. I have it and it's quite a lil monster for 1440p
People still believe in that fine wine bs?
Amazing benchmark Daniel! 🎉
My 2 cents: I bought an XFX Merc 319 6800 XT just recently because my 1070 started giving out. I am using a 144 HZ freesynch monitor with it now and my settings for the GPU are as follows:
VCore = 1020 mV
Core MHz = 2450
Mem MHz = 2100
I get higher FPS than with default settings whilst saving about 25-30% of power. The Maximum I reach is 220W, whilst I saw some 270W on your benchmark. Temps are at 72 C.
The max I can go for is 2800 MHz at 1150 mV (stock), +15% Power Limit and fan speed at ~50% and 90-92 C. It net's me another performance boost but the power draw goes up to 290 W.
TL;DR:
If you undervolt your 6800 XT, you get the same performance as the 4070 with the same energy efficiency for about 100-150 bucks less. (I bought mine for 509 Euro, whereas the 4070 goes for 639 Euro)
Nvidia going quite backwards. Increasing price and being a let down in general.
970 > 780TI
1070 > 980ti
2070 > 1080
3070 >= 2080ti
4070 < 3080
4070 = 3080
@@aimtenshi > if you count frame gen and RT
Most benchmarks I have seen puts the 4070=3080
@@aimtenshi The 4070 is significantly more power efficient than the 3080, even if it has around the same performance.
4070 = 3080, except a lot more power-efficient and with better features.
Well, I'm happy with my 6800xt overclocked to about 2550mhz on average and undervolted to 1050mv, I get about 2100 points in timespy, cost me £530 a year ago, massive win for AMD!
Honestly other than the 4090 the 40 series is a skip I am glad I went with the 6800xt
I did buy a 6800 XT from a custom manufacturer for 540€.
The custom manufacturer for the 4070 I want to buy are 725€ right now.
I love the fact that you take so many use case scenarios into account.... Today, more than ever, choosing the right GPU is so much more about your setup, how you play games, what you value in games, software features etc. There is no right and wrong answer these days. The only thing we can agree on is that GPU pricing has been crazy for far too long.
I think it all boils down to finding the best "bang for the buck" - for your personal use case.
Utter bullshit, cope. Nvidia wins 90% of the time for good reason, consumers are not stupid and nothing on youtube will help them.
@@Nerex7 The sweetspot basically. Of course prizes are not optimal, but it is what it is.
@@SedatedSloth I'm with you mate. Diamond hands everyone. stick with your GPUs until they are forced to lower their prices.
For myself, I would get a 6950xt for 630usd instead.
great video.. i have subbed for awhile and i'm amazed how well you communicate information and explains things. i can't believe any other than you are a great teacher.
Hi Daniel. Thanks for epic content. Wanted to ask the sponsor you mentioned in one of your videos that you use for windows keys. Could you maybe post that again somewhere please. Can't find it.
Thanks again.
In my opinion the texture detail is the most important setting in a game: I really don't like playing with blurred textures
I haven't seen any blurred textures in any game on my 12Gbs of VRAM card.
This is exactly what I've been looking at. I can get a 6800 XT for about $325 right now from the local market so let's see which is a better deal. 😊
Bruh where are you finding that?
I say take it. I paid 649€ last december and i have zero regrets.
There are 10 or 15 for sale in an hour drive from me asking $400. I know I could get one for $300 to $350 by checking with all of them. The market is only going to get better as people buy these new GPUs. I gotta make a move because 4k144hz is too much for my gtx 1080 lol
@Jesus is Lord Not a super relevant question since both only make limited runs of their FE or stock cards, and the vast majority are made by 3rd party manufacturers. And half of those manufacturers make both cards and re-use the same components. Just pick based on performance and when it’s time to go buy one make sure the specific model you’re looking at doesn’t have an unusual number of complaints or someone pointing out why it’s worse than other specific models.
@@christophermullins7163 Maybe and good luck but the best deal I could find on a 6700 xt was open box for 299. There are better deals but after shipping I didn't see any (even used) 6700 xt's going for less than about 320.
In the UK, the cheapest new 6800 XT seems to only be about £30 cheaper than the 4070's MSRP. One that fits in the maximum 280mm length allowed by my current case is nearly £100 more than the 4070's MSRP!
Thank you Owen for saying that 12Gb of vram is fine for 1440p.I absolutely agree with you. Actually I am absolutely fine with 8Gb of vram @ 1440p (currently using a 3070 Ti). The games that I play (racing, fighting, indie and emulation games), I might be able to wait for the 6000 series, lol.
i rather buy the rx 6950xt for 670 when the rtx4070 is 660 and the 6800xt is 609
Then EU enters the chat rx6800xt 589, rx6950xt 689 and rtx4070 699... i mean 110€ difference is a lot!
Edit now rx 6800xt 539€...while 4070 didn't go down 😊
Daniel, thank you for your reviews. I noticed that you use g305. I also got one, but after 4 months of using it, I gained wheel issues, such as going the wrong direction of scrolling. I did the puffing, battery changing, driver updating but the problem is still there. By any chance, do you know how to solve it? Thank you.
I have three of them with no issues with any of them. So not sure how to solve the problem.
Great video :)
I've watched a lot of interviews recently where they interview programmers from the industry and the point is always the same. Consoles have 16gb of unified memory and it's getting too hard to limit games to 8gb or so just to cater to PC gamers. I hate it because I use DLSS a lot but I'm at a point where 12gb feels like it's going to go extinct kinda like 8g sooner rather than later. NVIDIA really seems to hate going beyond the minimum VRAM-wise of late.
My next upgrade GPU-wise is likely to be toward the end of the year and I'm hoping the market forces NVIDIA and AMD to push their prices down further. I may well end up with a 12gb card if that's where the best value ends up but I'm really hoping to get 16gb so I won't feel rushed to upgrade again soon. VRAM will definitely be one of my top priorities. I really hope the 7800/7700 cards make that an easy choice for me.
It's laziness. The PC platform has, typically, 32 to 48GB of RAM spread over VRAM and system RAM. The people making the games are too lazy to properly optimize for loading things into one or the other since the consoles have a single huge pile of RAM, essentially, and it isn't needed over there. So they load the total RAM usage into just half of the hardware (the GPU) and don't bother spending the labor time to change resource management.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator You may well be correct but it hardly matters. If I want to play AAA games a year from now, I have to work with what they create or just not play. It sounds like they are pushing those requirements higher. Since there is no sense having a video card if I cannot play the games I like, I have to try and plan what I buy around what I want to play. Luckily the games I play now have lower requirements and Diablo 4 worked fine at 1440p with DLSS Quality on my 3070ti. So I'll probably have until autumn before I have to seriously consider it.
I don't see a lot of choice though at the moment. 8gb is going the way of the dinosaur and 12gb sounds like it's inching closer to extinction itself. So assuming the market cooperates, I hope to futureproof a bit soon with 16gb. I don't want to have to buy another one for at least a few years after that.
I'm already running out of VRAM on my 6600XT at 1440p but I really don't know If the upgrade to the 6800XT is worth it, even on the used market. For me personally, at least.
Holy moley what is it with you people? Just drop a texture setting from ultra down to high. Still looks good. Swapping a GPU into the same generation is madness -- especially when they are 2 and a half years old.
@@Phil_529 Thanks, I didn't think of dropping my texture settings down. Will give that a try! Cheers :)
@@YouOnlyLiveOnce... Cool, thanks. I would prefer lower shadow if I can keep the textures higher!
Thank you for your effort, but could you do again another benchmark on Last of us 1 on new release patch to see if there any changes could be
I got a used XFX 6800xt for 370€. It's in perfect condition, i use it on a 5600x+B550+32gb build and play mostly Total War games at 1440p. I do max everything except completely useless settings (like the 3d portraits) and they all play like a charm.
I am not biased towards any brand since i've been happily using older Nvidia cards for the last 8/10 years or so. Right now this is the card to buy if you can get it 2nd hand in very good condition, since paying for new graphics card is too much for my pocket.
I would only hope more people would prefer this solution, there are a lot of cards out there that came from miners which are in perfectly good condition and this is the only weapon we have against these brands price policy
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The greatest thing about the 6800 XT is I already have one
NVIDIA is selling software more than raw power now, also lower VRAM on almost everything compared to the same tier AMD product. Only thing I liked about new 4070 and 4080 is low TDP in general.
The low VRAM on their cards almost look like a marketing move. The software is so good that it can easily carry you through 1 or 2 gens, nvidia doesn't want that, they want you to buy the new gens so they limit VRAM to give you a reason to uprade. It sounds a bit scummy but it's smart and wouldn't be the first time really
that is TRUE. i came to that conclusion some days ago... thinking about it... nvidia sells card with lower specs than amd for more money that perform generally worse in unbiased workloads. but once you either play a RTX / Raytracing / Pathtracing title or a title with Framegen and/or DLSS then the nvidia cards get the upper hand. and these "wins" are the ones that are repeated over and over again in the marketing and tech tubers.
@@baumstamp5989 And they are repeated for good reason too. If DLSS is included, a cheaper card from nvidia will outperform a better card from AMD (that may also cost more) easily. The software is amazing but it may be too amazing to make the cards consumer-friendly
Nvidia is an computer acceleration company at heart. That means that they are making accelerated processors for a variety of tasks, including AI and raytracing workload specific processors. So they aren’t just selling weaker hardware and selling software, they are selling hardware with many processors that have software specific tasks. the sum of all its parts giving a more desirable result than just better raw rasterization performance
Easy decision for me if I were in the market. I have a 4090.
I would get the 4070. It is AMD who has to lower their cards price to upset the 500 dollar range GPU cards now that the 4070 is out. Unless one is a COD chump playing a game that wasn't written correctly to use Nvidia hardware (incompetence or sinister agenda?) .
The other thing 40 series has that isn't game related is the resolution upscaling for video streaming and now upscaling stuff watched thru VLC app. This tech is still in it's infancy and will get better just like DLSS did.
Sort of an absurd comparison. When the 7900 came out a ton of used mint 6800xt went on sale and, being used, are well below MSRP. Why would you ever buy one new?
6800XT seems to be kind of the 1080Ti of AMD this generation.
Driver updates made this card age like fine wine. Glad i got it for MSRP at release.
And it's only going to get better. RT implementations are currently scatter shot and proper leveraging of the RT hardware (for AMD/Nvidia/Intel) will only get better with time anyway.
Personally I've always felt that if raster is pretty close between two cards and the nvidia feature set would be useful. Its not horrible to spend 10 to even 15% more money to get those features, but that just depends on the person. At around 60 dollars more I think the 4070 is worth it, but when the 6800xt drops to around 520 or less thats just too good a deal
I agree with you. I was stuck between the XTX and 4080 for that reason. Decided to go 4080 for the features. Why spend $1000 and not wanna use RT/DLSS/FG. What's $200 to someone that saved or has that much money? (I get it if you're only able to save $10 here and there. Been there too. BUT I questioned the VRAM. Then I thought, maybe to wait for the 4080ti and see if it gets 18-20GB for about that price. Took 8 months for the ti of the 3080 to release. We at 5 months now. 🤣
@@Xilent1 same cards I was stuck on, wasn't even 200 then, it was 100 dollar difference for better upscaling and raytracing performance which I would absolutely use at 4k because I wanted a 4k 100 fps+ experience in some games and raytracing 60fps in others. Its really sad cause I was on amd before and I 100% am sure they could have sold the xtx at 900 and crush the 4080 in value but they decided not to so its their fault for not offering a clear better choice vs a horrible value product. Its why I don't buy into brand loyalty
I'm going with 16GB of VRAM for $60 less, even though I really like the power efficiency in the 4070.
I'd be OK with this statement if both cards being compared were from the same generation. I think it's insulting that NVIDIA is offering this trash as their new gen at worst pricing than previous gen hardware.
@@lammyjammer6670 You're not wrong, unfortunately AMD sure is taking their sweet time releasing their mid range cards so its the only thing to compare against for now. This whole generation is just turing 2.0 where 1st generation features are replacing actual price to performance
The fact that there are even some reason to consider 6800 xt that is 2 years old over newly released gpu is sad. So maybe just wait for this price range.
I think especially if they are around £40-50 in my currency, the AI features and nvenc video encoder, gives the 4070 an advantage if you need those features, even with less vram.
Now it comes with Diablo 4 bundle too. The 6800xt could be cheaper, although I've seen the asrock models on sale, except that requires 3x pcie 8 pin connectors, the power draw is quite a bit higher.
4070 is fine card 12vram is it's on the limit and this card is only be out for month.
6800 xt, no question. Undervolted it has almost the same consumption like the 4070. Also I take the 16gb ram over slightly better RT and dlls3. At this pricepoint RT isn't even worth it imo.
This is the type of video that I enjoy by you.
I would spend $40 more than the 4070 and get a 6950XT and blow its doors off
RE4 in 1440p 11GB used out of 12GB available very future proof GPU... I've noticed that 4070 prices already started droppin not by much but here they dropped by around 15$ already which is crazy considering launch was barely a week ago. The interesting comparison will be 4070 vs 7800XT now that will be interesting ;)
RE4 on PC has better textures than consoles. It's crazy to think your average PC release is going to be getting custom textures on PC that consume over 12GB of VRAM. Capcom announced 2 years ago that PC is now their lead platform so they leveraged the better textures for PC users. Plenty of companies are still console first and a mid cycle console refresh seems pretty unlikely at this point. We are just starting to eliminate gross-gen titles now. 12GB of VRAM will absolutely play games fine for the next 4-5 years.
16GB of VRAM on a 6800XT doesn't make it more capable than a 4070 for 99% of use cases.
@@Phil_529 I'm not saying that 6800XT is better between those 2 i do believe that 4070 is better however for the price of 4070 you can get 6950XT in my country 6950XT is actually a bit cheaper in this scenario. Honestly if 4070/70TI would have 16gb i think they would be great GPU. It's just annoying that nVidia is setting things up so we need to upgrade next generation. 4070 should either be at 500$ or stay at this price but have 16gb V-ram then nowane would have issues i think.
@@Adrian-is6qn Next generation is a year and a half from now and the 4070 will still be playing games just fine. I agree it should be $500 and have 16GB of VRAM. NVIDIA deserves a lot of ridicule for how they have gimped every card besides the 4090 while simultaneously raising prices. Still it doesn't automatically make the less capable Radeon cards a good choice. 6950XT total system power is 200 watts more than the 4070 which is a lot of extra heat to deal with in the hotter months of the year.
The price drop wasn’t a surprised to be honest. They knew what they were doing
@@zenithchan1646 They sure knew shit and will continue going onwards.
My question is...does it make sense to buy a GPU that can barely raytrace AS OF TODAY, and often enable upscaling or frame generation for it? So like...getting a better visual quality with RT and then lose some visual quality with dlss2 and gain latency with frameGen? Is that better than restorized ?
I don't think so. Ray Tracing is cool and all but it wasn't even a factor when I bought my gpu about a month ago. I'm no pro or anything but I'm definitely a competitive gamer more than anything so price to performance in Multi-player games at 1440p is what sold me on an AMD gpu. Really hard to beat the 6700xt/6800xt and even the 6950xt in their respective price points.
I just don't know anyone who cares about RT, when they would still have to lower other graphics settings to enable it.
@@korysovec honestly, after going from a 1080ti to a 3080 and seeing RT in "some" titles, the hit isnt worth it, even when looking at games like Metro Exodus Enhanced (which looks great with RT on) but when your losing about half of your fps, just doesnt cut it for me
Ray tracing is useless and will be for another 10 years. Definitely go Amd ALWAYS ✌️
@@Drip7914 no, I NEED the best of the best for every gen, and won’t settle for anything else, that’s why I bought a 4090. Once AMD makes the most powerful card, I’ll consider respecting them :)
Great info
Question, at this point what would be the use of getting any other 7000 series cards when the 6950 XT is already estimated to be the same as having a 7800 XT? Do we really need a 7800, 7700, 7600? Just curious since the high end last gen cards are already hitting the right price points.
if you enjoy paying $100+ more for a year of power usage just in US(4h a day avg), sure buy a 6950 XT.
I am so happy that I skipped this new generation of GPSs. I am happy with my 6800 XT OC. I won the silicon lotters with this little guy. I run high to max settings on the games I play at 1440p ultrawide without serious performance drops, knock on wood. The next generation of GPUs are going to be very interesting because of (AI) tech development. I was told these GPUs are due for release much sooner than expected, whatever that means lol. I think the RTX 4070 is not a great deal yet due to price and performance value imo, sorry. If I hear anymore info on the 2023-2024 GPU releases, I will post it, Thanks Daniel for helping the community and good content.
Why would you ever buy a high end card two generations in a row if you cared about money at all? There's no reason this generation isn't an amazing buy. Don't push your consumption affirmation-seeking on others. You like your card. That's cool.
4090 and 7900xtx is a great card,rest is dog shit
This is exactly the video I was waiting for. I'm looking to upgrade from a 5700xt and have been torn between these gpus. I've always been team red, but you make some very good arguments for the Nvidia card. Great video.
My thoughts exactly
Enjoy your 12GB
calma , vai vir o fsr 3 , e a 6800xt sera um boa compra tambem , paguei uma pela metade do preco da 4070
Well 12GB are the bare minimum right now .... there are games especially with raytracing enabled which get close to this limit even in 1440p. I would choose more VRAM.
@Lee lo I have upgraded from 5700XT myself to RTX4070 and I am super happy. For games I play this is more than enough while staying under 200watts power usage.
Want RT? Nvidia. Don't want RT? AMD. Of course upscaling is included in both questions.
The thing is that as time goes on, AMD prices are generally going down while NVIDIA prices still suck. An XFX 6800XT MERC319 is only 499$ on newegg right now, while the CHEAPEST RTX 4070s are another $100+ more. In the current market I think that the 6800XT is an excellent alternative to the 4070. I'm a proud owner of an MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z, and I remember buying it the week it released for around $549-ish and it was top of the line. Now most 4070s are selling for only around $20-30 less than the MSRP of a 2080 when it was new.
always check power consumption, you will save a lot of energy with 4070 over 6800xt, and if you gaming on 60hz monitor/tv those 5 10 % fps boost in rasterization dont matter until gpu can run above 60fps
Yup or what you use to do work
@@daedalusrunner8423 sry didnt understood :D
💀💀💀 who boughts a 4070/6800XT and above to play at 60 Hz
@@bastiancornejo4059 msot 4k tvs and monitors are 60fps. consoles also target 60 fps at max in aaa titles. i dont understand your post tbh. if you target high frame rates, 6900 7900 4080 4090 is the way to go. 60 vs 80 fps is nothing diferent, 60 vs 120 144 itt is diference. so doint be fps whore. most people game on 60fps. 4k 60fps > 1440 p 85 fps
@@bastiancornejo4059 yeah ….😆
VRAM is much more important than fake frames features. Some games are already reaching near the 12GB usage, its a matter of 1-2 years (game devs already warned) until it happens what the 3070 is experiencing right now crashing in some maxed games because of low VRAM. Who is gonna pay 600+ for a card that will be limited in a short time? Sure you can lower settings, but it feels bad paying these prices and do compromises so soon. 4070 ti is an even bigger rip off.
Exactly, the only people who think fake frames and gay tracing is worth it are Ngreedia fanboys amirite 😂 xtx definitely the best value and most powerful 💪
Not remotely true. Why would game developers only target GPU's that cost over £1k. It would be stupid on their part
Yep... In a year or two 12GB will only be able to enable console settings, on a $600-800 video card! Lol
@@torfinnjohnsrud793 ps5 and series x are already slapping a 4070 ti in modern games due to 12gb vram 😂 it’s over for Ngreedia lmao
@@Drip7914 Best value, not the most powerful! That belongs to team green 👑#4090owner
i want to get a video card for gaming/video editing... so nvidia is probably the best option for me bc of the video editing. Im planning on getting the rtx 4070 instead of the rx 6800 xt and selling it when the 50 series launches. dlss 3.0 and ray tracing is also a nice feature, the price is awful but i think it'll be worth it
Hi Daniel. Do you think the 6800 XT will last longer due to the larger VRAM? Do you think that 12 GB could be a problem for 1440p at max settings in the near future??
Nope, games are made with consoles in mind, they are their primary customers and PC gamers are a secondary market. The reason for the rise in VRAM now is because games have finally made the switch to use the latest gen consoles and so are a little more demanding than they were last year when games were still being released on both this gen and last gen consoles. The 3 previous gens of Nvidia '70 series cards were all 8GB VRAM, the 1070, 2070 and 3070 and before that you had the 970 with 4GB which was released on September 2014.... The last gen consoles released November 2013. The 3070 released Oct 2020 while the PS5 came out on November 2020, do you see the pattern now?
Yes it will in 1-2 year 4070 will be new 3070 which is loading 720p textures ps5 can do better than that
@@freefall_910 No it wont and you're insane if you believe the PS5 will do better... I mean, explain how a PS5 that runs on old older tech will do better than the 4070? The PS5 will not get any better and the games themselves are made primarily for the console market so they wont push the boundraries much either. The reason the 3070 struggled was because it released when games were transitioning from last gen consoles to this gen and the same thing happened when the 970 (4GB) was released a year after last gen consoles came out and GPU VRAM was spiked to 8GB in the later generations since the 1070 (8GB) until the 3070 (8GB) and the 4070 is the new 1070 so 12GB will probably be the norm for this range.
Eitherway, it all doesn't matter as 8GB is still good enough for 1080p resolution and that's what it was always marketed at so it still has a use in todays gaming world.
@@crackajacka87 we see Sir time will tell and 3070 was marketed as 1080p then tell me 3050 was marketed for 420p or something 3070 was markated as 4k entery and. Upper 1440p card but it drop balls with 1 yr and am fighting with a stranger on. Internet for a company that treat there customers like dirt who is defending a corporation over his own wallet
@@freefall_910 I would bet money on it if I could. The 3070 is best optimised for high framerate 1080p, yes it can play at 1440p but ideally you want to be playing at least at 120fps because most gaming monitors today run at 120hz or more and it gives a much smoother experience than playing at 60fps. The only reason 60fps is considered the "norm" is because of console gamers and games trying to at least reach 60fps for gaming on such older tech while PC gamers have the luxury to game at higher framerates and this is why games wont get anymore demanding because then consoles game will struggle to reach that 60fps ideal.
The '70 series only started being a 1440p card with the 3070 as the tech finally made it viable and more people started using 1440p as their standard resolution but before that, the series cards were always best suited for high settings at 1080p.
I will probably get a 4070 or 4070 ti secondhand simply for the price/performance because energy prices are high here and that lower energy draw makes these cards much cheaper to run and will save me over £100 a year in energy bills over the 6950xt or 7900xt so the argument that AMD is cheaper is subjective if you ignore the running costs of the card over it's lifetime.
Impressive Results! The 4070 is really a Powerful Card. But yes. its the Vram. If New Games already struggle NOW, then the 12G will be awful. But depends on the User i guess.
For me, the 4070 is impressive. But so is the 6800XT still to me. Undervolt it. Raytracingperformance really is bad. But i would but this Card for me personally because of the Price to Performance and Vram. I play a lot of modded Games. Without these Mods, i have no use for the Games. I need Vram and pure Performance.
While i think dlss 3 and frame Gen and so on are impressive... i think i do not have much use for it. This is all AAA Game stuff. Or at least mostly. Im not paying big money to play just AAA Games with all the fancy looking tech.
RTX 40 really has some Power (!) but is lost due to it vram. At least for me as a buyer. And the PCs i but together with friends. Hard to recommend an RTX at the Moment for me.
you can undervolt a 4070 too, some people was able to do 150w on it so that's a 50w decrease.
The power consumption difference between the two is bigger than what is being reported by Afterburner/RTSS (or other software like HWinfo64 etc)
They only show TGP (total Graphics power) not TBP (total board power) for RDNA2 cards.
What's being reported for the 4070 is accurate though as this is the actual TBP.
His 6800 XT is really 300W+ TBP (6800 XT reference TBP is 300W and he's using he TUF that is even more power hungry)
I have solar, I make money off my electric company. I rather have a GPU that will be fine with VRAM next year and it won't be 12GB at 1440p with RT on.
I dont understand why people are buying midlevel nvidia cards. The 4070 are priced the same as 6950xt today at microcenter.
Quick question. When you do the benchmarks for 1080p and 1440p you use the same 4k monitor and just reduce the resolution? Wouldn't that sometimes give not accurate performance and also image quality? Or it doesn't affect at all ?
Performance is based on the resolution the GPU is being asked to render, not the screen it is hooked up to. When reviewers test GPUs they are not hooking up a different monitor every time they test a different resolution. Also, I'm running through a capture card in a second PC so the PC I am testing does not even know what monitor I'm actually viewing it on. Regarding image quality, if I wanted to see it displayed accurately at the native resolution that is being tested but on my 4K screen, I can letterbox to the correct resolution.
@@danielowentech thank you for the explanation.
I’ll still buy the rtx 4070 because it is getting cheaper everyday 😂
Thats kinda the point. At a certain price it will be worth it.....just not at launch price.
Thanks for highlighting the use of FG/DLSS/RT. The features that you pay (extra) for when you buy a Nvidia GPU - and realistically turn them on when playing games.
I feel reviews that strictly stick to orange to orange comparisons (i.e. only raw raster and RT with no image scaling) do not paint a realistic scenario. i.e. you wont be buying a Nvidia GPU and not turn those on in games. FG seems like DLSS 1.0 currently, and "should" be better in a year's time/down the road.
When AMD delivers FSR3 (i really hope they do, it would benefit everyone) - FG would become more commonplace and no longer a Nvidia only feature (much like how DLSS was before FSR).
On the VRAM front, things like sampler feedback and DS 1.1 (there's a nice Intel video showing the benefit) would help alleviate low VRAM situations, once developers implement them in games. Hopefully it's something that catches on and does'nt have too much cons (nothing comes for free i believe) that makes it not worthwhile.
10ms more latency is a bs argument. framegen is nowhere as unplayable as dlss1.0 imo. Don't count on AMD they got smoked by Intel's XESS and still hasn't delivered a solution after all these years.
Can you compare the 3060 to the 3060ti now that games are getting over 10gb of vram?
You don't have a reason to be scared of 12GB vram right now. You already own far more powerful cards with far more vram. It's not the same when you know you're gonna hold onto 12GB for the next like 5 years. Then it's terrifying lol.
You are right about certain games preferring Nvidia gpu's than AMD. For example, for Bethesda games you will get 20 or more FPS over the AMD gpu's. But the extra v-cache of the AMD CPU's such as the x3d cards Bethesda games love them.
Skyrim really doesn't care what CPU you have, it dimes out around the same place, well below the 13900k/7950X3D/7800x3D tier.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I didn't know that because right now I am playing Skyrim on a 4790k, 2x8gb 1600hz RAM and 1080 ti. I still have the occasional crash-to-desktop in both Skyrim SE and Fallout 4 plus, at times the fps goes into single digits causing a slide like play in which I have to close the game via Task manager.
Any comparison goes right out the window when you factor in memory compression (equals another 2 GB VRAM on the 4060), that 1440p DLSS looks better than native temporal AA and you can even go better than that with DLAA mods which just require some sharpening over the top like reshade cas.fx. DLSS and AI AA is the killer feature, not ray tracing. That's just a bonus.
The 6800xt was the best bang 4 buck last gen, but atm you will get a worse looking game on the AMD GPU than the 4070, frame gen is a complete game changer if you have a 1440p high hz (like 120 and up) gsync/freesync display. If you think framegen is going to go well on AMD you are also pretty delusional. It's having major growing pains with Nvidia and they have way more money to spend on R&D and can leverage specialized hardware.
The only people who should be considering a 6800xt is someone who only plays FPS shooters. Smart access memory and 1 percent lows is a nice combination. 4070 is a great product, 4070Ti needed more VRAM cus it's an actual 4k GPU, not 4k upscaling only and last gen Nvidia was inefficient garbage. You should have been buying 6800's LAST gen and the same tech journalists who downplayed them now are telling you to buy them. Too late. IF you had bought them last gen then maybe Nvidia would have to try harder or sell the chip to their aftermarkets for cheaper.
Got a mint used 3900xt for $480, sold my 3070 for $300. Huge upgrade.
For a 60 € difference, I'd rather buy a RTX 4070 that doesn't force me to buy a brand new 120 € PSU with it.
That low consumption is definitively a key benefit.
I noticed in almost every game the 4070 runs were using a few % more cpu utilization, interesting, wonder what’s going on there as nvidia generally has higher driver overhead
frame generation and DLSS hit the cpu...which brings up a good point that you need a high end cpu to get the best out of the 4070.
@@glamdring0007 erm no, frame generation doesnt hit the CPU at all......... the reason you see higher CPU on the 4070 is because of the driver overhead, this should be common knowledge by now.
@@123TheCloop I misunderstood when reviews said that there was a latency issue when using DLSS3 and frame generation...I was thinking the cpu was taking a hit. A fast cpu is definitely still needed with 4000 series but not for the reason I thought.
SAM good Resizable bar bad.
The VRAM issue is something that bothered me when I upgraded. I went from a 1070 which had 8gb of ram. Why the hell am I gonna drop a months rent for the same VRAM in a new package?
My case is to split GPU resources between host PCand accelerated VM run on it, to be able to play with my wife:). Which would do better? More vram or frame generation? Maybe this kind of a test in the future?
@@SedatedSloth I'm not sure what you mean by 'unacceptably badly' but e.g. for 3080ti ruclips.net/video/Bc3LGVi5Sio/видео.html
. Im not aiming 4kultra in cyberpunk, more 2 1440p in Diablo4 ;)
If the 4070 and 4070ti had 16GB of VRAM and were 100$ cheaper, they would have been a great deal. IDK what nvidia were thinking with this, i am glad gamers are calling out their BS and rejecting these cards.
Some good arguments to consider towards the 4070... i would still choose higher raster performances and more vram while hoping (?1?) AMD will get newer/better features in the next drivers and improves FSR (i do hate upscaling though)... nVidia is taking advantage of their huge AI infrastructure and, well, their GPUs are gaining obviously from it..... they do make you pay for it!
I would not consider RT until i can get close to 100+FPS, in 4k so...next gen GC maybe or in 2 gens?
I still prefer the Rx7900xtx to the Rtx4080... (we should get a 4090 soon so i can compare!)
I never understood the RT discussion. Was thinking of getting a 3080ti around Christmas but it was 300€ more than the 6950xt. And even though I went amd I can play light RT at 2k without too much of a FPS reduction, not to mention the 16gb of Vram vs 12
Yes it's worth it for dlss3. I'm sorry as much as I want amd to do well, and I really do. Features are really killing amd. Dlss was already better than fsr and Nvidia can do fsr too if it has to, but frame generation adds too much performance to ignore. If amd isn't going to match it features, it's price needs to be significantly lower.
Agreed ❤
The silent majority agrees
Lol, you never heard of FSR 3 ????? , don't always try to justify ngredia purchase , you fanboys always come out with something .
Didn't you fanboys say how much rtx3070 was better over rx6800xt before , look its obsolete already , now even rtx4070 only match performance of rx6800xt ,
You guys are very dumb .
So which one to get? Future proof 16 gb? amd?
At my place both the GPU are same price which should I choose??