It was sad all the way around Cops never cared. …. And if you ware lower then Thy you ware trash back then …. Fasts I lived there I use too be arond this Area growing up.. it’s ware I use to have to walk to go home form high school !! Then by the Time they caught him I was cleaning his Grandma’s house !! Yes he would be in yhe basement .. no I wouldn’t clean his stuff !! We always stayed upstairs !! But this dude was whacked!! Evil from the beginning
They will fight it tooth and nail but racism played a huge part in how Dahmer was able to go on a killing spree virtually in plain sight. I know it to be true because I lived it and was almost one of his victims. The racism from the Milwaukee Police Dept was so thick you can cut it with a knife. I was too young to understand racism although I was in my late teens my parents shielded me from a lot of those evils in life or at least they tried so it took me a while to catch and understand racsim like Black friends who went to public school. I am Black as well but enjoyed parts of life that a lot of Black did not get the opportunity back then. I did not know or understand until I got older that my life was somewhat sheltered and for good cause.
People used to not give AF about gay people. In many people's eyes, gays were less than and therefore not worth the time and effort that would be put into someone else's case. It was the same way with the AIDS crisis. No one wanted to help. And many people thought gays deserved to die, and that the virus was God's punishment to them. Then, if you add gay and being black on top of that, then police really didnt care as much. Even though it was the 90s, it was still very stigmatized to be gay.
I lived in Milwaukee at the time. I still remember the immediate outrage over the police response and conduct. The total abandonment of duty when they handed Konerak back to Dahmer was heartbreaking and disgusting.
Imagine being a cop, dropping the ball and letting go one of the worst serial killers in history then being promoted to lieutenant 🤣🤦🏼♀️ incompetence to the max!
Welll they dont have to watch. No ones putting a gun to their head to watch. Im glad this series was made. Truly glad. Im not into thrillers or true crime videos at all, but this series is showing me a lot how the justice system failed , and how deep someones mind can go to deep ruin. It also warns a lot of ppl to not trust anyone off the bat. I really dont get why ppl are upset this is made. Its different if this was on TV all over commercials etc etc on subway ads, but this series is just on netflix, and you dont have to watch it if it makes you uncomfortable.
I think its important we are made aware of true evil in the world and not all this panto smoke and mirrors we are Spoon fed by the media the majority if the time , I understand it can be painful and upsetting for familes to to have horrific family members murders brought up , and I do sympathise with them but on the other hand I do think its important we know the world.for what it really is , we are bringing our children up in this scary place and we should be made aware of the dangers., also the police shouldn't be allowed to get away with the failings of victims , if these documentaries were not made we would all be under the assumption the police did all they could when they let those men ,boys and familes down enormously it breaks my heart to think what they all.went through but it's made me more Aware rest their souls in peace 🙏
@@mleekahh there are literally memes and videos being shared across all platforms, I haven’t even seen the show but I know what happens in each episode because clips are shared.
I watched the series on Netflix. I thought to myself several times how horrible the families must feel to have someone portray their loved ones and relive it all over again.
Had the judge did his job in the 1988 case and hit Dahmer with the max sentence, he could have saved the lives of those men/boys. Dahmer felt invisible after he was release from prison and his killings amplified.
And the probation officer, she slacked and refused to do any home visits. But I think Dahmer had her terrified to come to his apartment by telling her about a man found murder that lived there. I wonder if he had anything to do that murder?
I understand story telling, but NetFlix took unnecessary license. The story is tragic and horrific. The opening news scene wasn't true, how Tracy and Jeff met and that entire interaction wasn't anything like Tracy described it in court. Jeff apparently had cichilds not fighting fish. Jeff was already a tragic character. No need for embellishment. I will say I think they did a good job making him human. It seems like no one ever saw him and he was furniture. Having read some further information he was likely on the spectrum as well. Having seen more than one depiction of his story, he seemed a really sad fellow. Regardless who the culprit is, I think you have to show them as accurate as possible. He really seemed to be an injured soul, unlike Gacey or Bundy per se. They both relished the attack and violence. Jeff seems to just got caught up in his own fantasy. When you are alone, you turn inward and self destruction is often the out come. I can not imagine what any of these people went through. He seemed to have no concept of his actions actually affecting other people-at least in the big picture. I wonder how hard this was for his brother...he must be quite resilient. The guilt his parents experienced must have been off the charts as well.
I think having these depictions of the horrific acts of serials and thier victims give us insight as to why and how these damaged souls happen. I don't think Netflix glorified anything. If anything the victims were depicted very well.
Why did they believe Jeffrey and NOT the guy who took the time to come to the police straight out of the hospital and took him to the house where he knew he was drugged and robbed? Terrible
I saw pictures of the young man that Dahmer took of him the night he was found wandering in the neighborhood and to be honest I would have thought he was 18 or older if I didn’t know any better! He didn’t look like a 14 year old baby faced kid. Now me saying that does NOT excuse the incompetence of the police. But just going by looks I can see how they believed he was older. That’s why checking proper identification is CRITICAL! you can’t go by what you see! The police should have known that
How he got away with the rotting flesh smells in his apartment and grandma’s house, I do not know. Surely that’s worth a thorough search warrant, no matter what his excuses were.
I belive it all depends where you live also. I live in NYC, if you complain to the authorities about a foul odor ( smelling like rotten bodies) the authorities are going to investigate that foul smell. Years ago my elderly neighbor died in his apartment & it was in the summer. The stench was horrible. After calling the police the investigated & found out what apartment the smell was coming from They broke into the apartment & realized the man had been dead in his apartment for days, with the windows open. Other cities the authorities aren't that concerned & diligent about finding out thing like that!!!
These cops who let Konerak go back to Dahmer went on to gain even higher positions within the police department and only retired between 2017 and 2020… They are still alive to this day, getting to enjoy retirement, being praised for being cops on a daily basis…
@@kristenv1432 it’s not incorrect they were brought back on the force because a judge thought firing them was too harsh of a punishment they indeed have recently retired
Hopefully the series in Netflix helps bring actual justice, better late than never. And with enough signatures and outpour of the people, it can happen. And the system will be obligated to lol back in to it
Interesting when people say he should have been caught when the boy escaped his apartment, when in reality, he had many close calls that he could of and should of been caught in. Starting with his first murder, he had the cut up body in a garbage bag in his back seat at night when he was pulled over and the police officer even asked what was on the bag. Let him go. Then Mr. Flowers bringing the police to his house and the police believing Dahmer over the well-educated black man with no criminal record, THEN the boy escaping his apartment. Multiple police officers and agencies failed these boys and men. The bias they held is clear as day.
I had my life destroyed by a psychopath. He found a LOT of helpers in the legal system. He was and is a professional liar and sadist. Lots of those in the legal ststem. Could be psychopathy, rather than racism. I have seen it and suffered it and I will NEVER get over it. Evil incarnate.
The Asian boys' family used to attend my dad's church. Their sister died of cancer. This family went through a lot. Then the nerve of my coworker) defending one of the cops because she is the ex-inlaw. She was married to his loser brother. The cops didn't check the boy's ID nor Dahmer's. They would have found that Dahmer was a sex offender (went to jail for drugging the 14 yr. old boy's brother). The cop Gabrish even got. promoted to captain. Dahmer got away with a lot as a white male. He was even stopped with a body in his car during his first kill and the cop allowed him to return home (Dahmer was on his way to bury the body in the woods) because Dahmer lied and the cop said Dahmer reminded him of his own son. The cop could have been a hero but chose to be lazy. The 3 cops were lazy and backed Dahmer to help him get away because they didn't do their jobs (kind of like what is going on now). If no one believed in white privilege and the good old white boy's club, believe it now. One of the cops even became president of the police association. Oh, my god. Show less
The cops who stopped him with body parts in the car gave him field sobriety tests and he passed. He wasn’t drunk that night, they ticketed him for driving left of center or something. The “you’re a good boy with life ahead of you” bs was made up for the show. It’s true that they didn’t look into the garbage bags, tho, just asked him about it.
Oh you can bet if Dahmer had been the one reporting on Mr Flowers under the same circumstances it would have been a very different response from the police !!
I lived through it and when he was able to take that little naked Asian kid who was bleeding back into this apt underscored how privelege and homopphobic and racism all played a role in this.
Let’s be REAL here for once… These officers weren’t concerned cuz it had to do wit ppl that lived a different lifestyle. These officers got way too many calls concerning the smells and strange behavior coming from Jeff’s apartment. I’m sure most of those officers didn’t WANT to do anything about gay men coming up missing, just outta the blue! POOF💨💨💨 AND FOR YEARS!!! WE ALL have heard ppl of the law say a dead body has a distinct smell. They went to his apartment numerous times. U mean to tell me they “ALL OF A SUDDEN” couldn’t smell a NUMBER of dead bodies???? AND he lived in a neighborhood wit a high drug and criminal rates. So y’all KNO the law wuz around. Look, these ppl didn’t care!!! Why is it these serial killers can kill so many, right under the laws noses. But they don’t get caught for years? Cuz they mostly kill ppl that live on the “Fringes of society”, so to speak. THEY DIDN’T CARE!!!
@@bigmona2741 the guy that got away that testified said there was a oder but didn't know what it was so maybe most people aren't going to think he has dead bodies in his apt..
And don't dare say police let them do it, that's stupid as hell. Until you work as a officer you have no idea, you're just making dumb assumptions. But that's today's society, make the cops to be the bad guy and the criminals out to be the victims.
More emotional bs to fit your self victimization. Not all cops have been around decomposing bodies, I have and it is a very distinct smell but also smells like a decomposing animal. Most serial killers are very smart, charismatic and act normal so they don’t rouse too much suspicion. Not every this because of race as much as you’d like it to be.
One of the Konerak officers said he thought the smell might've been 💩 and he might've subsequently assumed that the 💩 smell was due to sex. As such they weren't gonna linger there.... The Netflix movie tried to allude to that when JD said sex gets "fiery" and "You how it is." Then the cop's comment to JD was "I certainly don't know. I don't know what you guys do... Now we have to shower..." 🚿 It's episode 2. Unsure if that was the true chat 3 decades ago but it's what the writers put into the script. The 💩 part was true and can be found in the trial files. It's in the files officially as "excrement", not 💩 of course.
I can tell that a lot of people commenting here about how things were at the time of this case, weren’t actually around to know what the world was like at that time.
I was 28 vacationing in Chicago at the time this story broke. That's all people talked about in the restaurants and hotels. They couldn't keep enough newspapers on the street. This case will go down as one of the ultimate crimes against humanity for my generation.
The fact you are talking about other people getting you into true crime, makes me wonder whether I should get out of true crime, because I'm already into true crime?? Should I get into false crime instead?
It’s so strange the young Laotian boy was sent back with Dahner by officers only to be killed. There were 2 months from that day until Daumier was caught. I’m sure there was a report of a missing Laotian boy why didn’t the police put two and two together? Plus - supposedly it was the boys brother who put dahner on probation for taking pics of him underaged.
That never made any sense to me either. The truth is there was strong racism against Laotions, and other people that came over from that part of Asia in the Midwest at that time. They weren't treated well at all. A lot of them were sent to live in bad neighborhoods they knew nothing about by government programs. Many of them didn't know English so they couldn't get hired easily. People thought they would eat your cat or dog because of their culture. They just were resented because of ignorance. I remember a Buddhist temple where I lived being burned down that Laotians went to. Nobody was reprimanded for it. They really were treated bad.
This happened pre-Amber alert, so a minor could go missing for a while without triggering a report. In a lot of cases the police would also minimize parents' concerns, telling them that maybe the kid had run away or was out partying and being rebellious (especially with teenagers) and having them wait and see if they returned on their own, before organizing a search. In this case though the lack of a widespread emergency alert system was absolutely no excuse cause -missing report or not - Dahmer was currently on parole for SAing a minor (the boy's brother) plus had a previous conviction for indecent exposure, all of which would've been evident if the cops had just bothered to run his name. It doesn't matter if the boy could talk or not, or if they could ID him or not cause it was Dahmer himself who was in the system, they'd at least have to take him in for questioning. Fact is they couldn't even be bothered to ask for a simple name check cause they didn't care about anybody in this situation (working class, POC, gay). This was a terrible judgment call, but it went beyond the bigotry of those two officers since, after watching this, there's obviously a systemic issue affecting the entire department enabling this. It's clear it wasn't an isolated, "bad apples" incident, it was common and there was no accountability.
I never thought about how the police didn't connect the dots even after the same boy they found naked and unconscious went missing. This seems absurd I can't make any sense of it.
One of my high school classmates was approached by Jeff Dahmer in 1989. We graduated in 1992 just after this trial. This brings back creepy memories. 😳
It makes me so mad that they fired the cops who sent Konerak back into his apartment but then they were reinstated with back pay by a judge. They should have never lived without hearing about their screw up every day.
Its amazing how Dahmer looked so different in the trial than he did a year later in those TV interviews. I know the stress/relief/weight gain played a role but he genuinely looks like a completely different person in most photos/videos. Bundy was also a human chameleon in this respect...bizarre.
Being a former hospice nurse the smell of death is horrible- one body . How the grandmothers house didn’t gag you when you walked in amazes me! I feel so sorry for the people In the apt bldg having to deal with that smell . RIP to the victims
For many years ( before I was a psyche R.N.,) I had wondered what made Dahmer commit these heinous crimes. At that time there didn’t seem to be a reason, no emotional, physical, psychological abuse. The new Netflix series did a good job re: some possible reasons. It was insightful, frightening without too much gore. Acting was great. He got away with sooo much that I was astounded. Rest In Peace to the victims, kudos to the neighbor who kept calling, and my heart goes out to the victims families. Oh, hats off to the man who got away because he was the one who ultimately saved many lives. Forgive me if I forgot his name.
Gotta have evidence to arrest and Flowers said they were drinking together. Dahmer was convincing and there was no evidence of Flowers being drugged by Dahmer. He was, but you can’t prove that without evidence.
What I appreciate are how the prosecutors are quick on the draw, no pauses, and straight to the point. No, ‘um’, ‘um’, ‘um’. The ums drive me CRAZY when watching some.
My uncle Tati says he worked with Jeff at Ambrosia Chocolate in the early 90’s like 90 or 91. He said that everyone knew to heat up their food early before Dahmer showed up because when Jeff heated up his lunch, it would stink up the place. I always felt my uncle embellished but after watching the Netflix show it’s seems more likely he was telling the truth
I was born in Ladysmith Wisconsin a very small town I still watch some of the stuff that comes up on RUclips about Dahmer and it just blows my mind those poor families even his family his father and his stepmother I can't even imagine what they go through I just pray all the time for peace for those families that they have some kind of peace as they lay down their head at night and it's only through Jesus Christ, Joshua hamashiach Jesus Christ the Messiah the father God and the flesh
As with Gacy , Dahmer gor away with it for so long because he dealt with marginal young me. Some were gay some were hustlers some were closeted. But they were all human.
It wasn't true crime it was scripted which makes it all the worse! Teaching children to sing as they "do their part" cleaning up Barney's crime scenes...
Must've been tough as a Defense Attorney to defend a person you knew was guilty. However due process states that every person has a right to counsel. This process was only to determine how much time he'll get and the money the Defense will get because of the obvious
His attorney seemed very sympathetic to him IMO in the documentary. She said she felt like his sister or mother 🙄 like that judge in the sexual assault case. He looked like them so they related to him more
But the smell. I mean decomposing corpses… and the police didn’t feel like that was a little strange when they got the 14 yo boy back in there? They should’ve been in jail, right next to him! I can only imagine the scent coming out of there when he opened his door. In all the cases I’ve seen, this might be the most insane thing. He literally got away with the smell of death. And how in hell did it not stain his clothes?!
The judge seemed already decided on a decision all through this deliberation. Lol. He kept asking the stenographer to repeat everything the prosecutors were asking like he wasn’t listening to anything lol.
Baileys Irish cream leaving someone that out of it the next day... please.. the police were very willing to believe Dahmer over Mr Flowers !!! The pale privilege reeks more than Dahmers apartment!!!
“Pale privilege” ugh, so lame. EVIDENCE! Gotta have EVIDENCE! Flowers admitted to drinking w Dahmer. The cops had no evidence and can’t prove Dahmer drugged Flowers, he could have taken something before hand. Not saying he did just saying you can’t prove Dahmer drugged him. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do when you know all the details.
@@BabyMaharaja0 it's not racist it's facts. Jeffrey got away with murder and child molestation because of homophobia and racism. You can deny it all you want but that doesn't change facts
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 You’re really gonna come on this specific story of cops handing a child with a hole drilled in his head back to a serial killer to further your weird blue lives matter fetish???
One of the most horrific cases that got me interested in True Crime. Then again, my Mother has always been a fan of that stuff and maybe that too has a part in me being interested in this kinda crazy world we live in.
My mum reading murder case books got me into true crime when I was about 8 (definately not images for children) read ALOT of cases, but Dahmer always comes back to me.
It’s shocking when you think about how many times dahmer got away when his crimes were right under their nose. But then again Wisconsin is full of drunks.
Tell that to all those hipsters who just a couple of years ago were dying to wear these fugly type of glasses "ironically", LOL. They looked creepy 30 years ago and they still look creepy now. Thankfully that trend is finally dying down and we can stop lying to ourselves. There's definitely been a decline in serial killers since the 90s, no one can really explain why, one of the main theories is that as DNA analysis started to rise councidentally these type of killings started to drop, meaning that people are probably caught sooner or sometimes for lesser offenses, but nobody knows for sure. That era ended just to make way for the current generation of mass shooters, so people still suck...
Watch the FULL TRIAL of WI v. #JeffreyDahmer (1992) on #CourtTV Trials #OnDemand www.courttv.com/trials/wi-v-dahmer-1992/
These cops were biased, lazy and incompetent and should have been fired.
exactly!!!! they failed to do their main job - protect the people.
They still are to this day
It was sad all the way around Cops never cared. …. And if you ware lower then Thy you ware trash back then …. Fasts I lived there I use too be arond this Area growing up.. it’s ware I use to have to walk to go home form high school !! Then by the Time they caught him I was cleaning his Grandma’s house !! Yes he would be in yhe basement .. no I wouldn’t clean his stuff !! We always stayed upstairs !!
But this dude was whacked!! Evil from the beginning
They will fight it tooth and nail but racism played a huge part in how Dahmer was able to go on a killing spree virtually in plain sight. I know it to be true because I lived it and was almost one of his victims. The racism from the Milwaukee Police Dept was so thick you can cut it with a knife. I was too young to understand racism although I was in my late teens my parents shielded me from a lot of those evils in life or at least they tried so it took me a while to catch and understand racsim like Black friends who went to public school. I am Black as well but enjoyed parts of life that a lot of Black did not get the opportunity back then. I did not know or understand until I got older that my life was somewhat sheltered and for good cause.
People used to not give AF about gay people. In many people's eyes, gays were less than and therefore not worth the time and effort that would be put into someone else's case. It was the same way with the AIDS crisis. No one wanted to help. And many people thought gays deserved to die, and that the virus was God's punishment to them. Then, if you add gay and being black on top of that, then police really didnt care as much. Even though it was the 90s, it was still very stigmatized to be gay.
I lived in Milwaukee at the time. I still remember the immediate outrage over the police response and conduct. The total abandonment of duty when they handed Konerak back to Dahmer was heartbreaking and disgusting.
Exactly!! I have family in Milwaukee and my aunt lived in the apartments next door I believe at this time. They really screwed up
How are their officers not still being harassed for this??
AND the 2 officers received an award....WTF!?
@@isacece1334 yep. Disgusting.
Neither won awards. However one of them did go on to become the president of the police union. So, still very bad stuff.
Imagine being a cop, dropping the ball and letting go one of the worst serial killers in history then being promoted to lieutenant 🤣🤦🏼♀️ incompetence to the max!
Right! Whoever promoted these idiots was just as insane as Dahmer lol.
Thats america for you
That's usually how it works in most fields
@@FragranceGame85 No kidding!
@@timothygarner477 you know, you’re so right.
I know we all have fascination with true crime and the stories but I truly feel horrible for the families having to relive 😢
Welll they dont have to watch. No ones putting a gun to their head to watch. Im glad this series was made. Truly glad. Im not into thrillers or true crime videos at all, but this series is showing me a lot how the justice system failed , and how deep someones mind can go to deep ruin. It also warns a lot of ppl to not trust anyone off the bat. I really dont get why ppl are upset this is made. Its different if this was on TV all over commercials etc etc on subway ads, but this series is just on netflix, and you dont have to watch it if it makes you uncomfortable.
Made without their permission or input. How would you feel if it was your family member?
I think its important we are made aware of true evil in the world and not all this panto smoke and mirrors we are Spoon fed by the media the majority if the time , I understand it can be painful and upsetting for familes to to have horrific family members murders brought up , and I do sympathise with them but on the other hand I do think its important we know the world.for what it really is , we are bringing our children up in this scary place and we should be made aware of the dangers., also the police shouldn't be allowed to get away with the failings of victims , if these documentaries were not made we would all be under the assumption the police did all they could when they let those men ,boys and familes down enormously it breaks my heart to think what they all.went through but it's made me more Aware rest their souls in peace 🙏
@@mleekahh there are literally memes and videos being shared across all platforms, I haven’t even seen the show but I know what happens in each episode because clips are shared.
I watched the series on Netflix. I thought to myself several times how horrible the families must feel to have someone portray their loved ones and relive it all over again.
Can’t imagine being Dalmer’s attorneys & having to sit next to such evil all day everyday for this trial. Yuck! 🤮
My thought exactly 💯
Lawyers are the devil’s advocates…
Why are you airing old news.....
All I could imagine is the stench of death coming from his person...
@@elizabethgrassi9444 the same reason Jurassic park was in theaters this past summer.
Had the judge did his job in the 1988 case and hit Dahmer with the max sentence, he could have saved the lives of those men/boys. Dahmer felt invisible after he was release from prison and his killings amplified.
Exactly thought he’d give him a chance, and we all know what that caused.
And the probation officer, she slacked and refused to do any home visits. But I think Dahmer had her terrified to come to his apartment by telling her about a man found murder that lived there. I wonder if he had anything to do that murder?
Daddy's money also help Jeffrey stay out of jail for long
What a crazy time this was. Netflix did such a great job capturing the story of Dahmer. It’s so sad how many men he got away with killing.
They're glorifying his evil
I understand story telling, but NetFlix took unnecessary license. The story is tragic and horrific. The opening news scene wasn't true, how Tracy and Jeff met and that entire interaction wasn't anything like Tracy described it in court. Jeff apparently had cichilds not fighting fish. Jeff was already a tragic character. No need for embellishment. I will say I think they did a good job making him human. It seems like no one ever saw him and he was furniture. Having read some further information he was likely on the spectrum as well. Having seen more than one depiction of his story, he seemed a really sad fellow. Regardless who the culprit is, I think you have to show them as accurate as possible. He really seemed to be an injured soul, unlike Gacey or Bundy per se. They both relished the attack and violence. Jeff seems to just got caught up in his own fantasy. When you are alone, you turn inward and self destruction is often the out come. I can not imagine what any of these people went through. He seemed to have no concept of his actions actually affecting other people-at least in the big picture. I wonder how hard this was for his brother...he must be quite resilient. The guilt his parents experienced must have been off the charts as well.
@@mursahxiirow1501 well cichlids fish do fight and also eat each other because I had some
@@Giselle_Glam594 stfu no they are not…. Have you even seen it?
I think having these depictions of the horrific acts of serials and thier victims give us insight as to why and how these damaged souls happen. I don't think Netflix glorified anything. If anything the victims were depicted very well.
Why did they believe Jeffrey and NOT the guy who took the time to come to the police straight out of the hospital and took him to the house where he knew he was drugged and robbed? Terrible
agreed!!!
but it’s all because systemic racism. cops love playing the game believe the white guy
Racism
@@skyjuiceification exactly.
Cause he was black.
Because it's an extremely tough crime to prove without evidence. You can't just believe everything you hear.
i dont care what got you into true crime.
you should
God these cops were ridiculously incompetent.
typical
Such are the cops of every decade past
These Police officers were incompetent. They really deserved to be fired.
they didn't
Such are the cops of every decade past
Why would they NOT talk to the grandmother?!? Why did they NOT find out how he got it the hospital!?!? These officers do not deserve to sleep at night
She had dementia.
Jeffrey put Flowers on a bus after his grandmother told him to do so, and a stranger took Flowers to the hospital. I’m just saying this by memory.
Police men that took the child back are Also criminals..why they are not in prison as well.
I saw pictures of the young man that Dahmer took of him the night he was found wandering in the neighborhood and to be honest I would have thought he was 18 or older if I didn’t know any better! He didn’t look like a 14 year old baby faced kid. Now me saying that does NOT excuse the incompetence of the police. But just going by looks I can see how they believed he was older. That’s why checking proper identification is CRITICAL! you can’t go by what you see! The police should have known that
Why is everyone saying what got them into true crime 💀
To fill up the empty space.
LMFLALAO
Right who gives a damn 😂
It's an ego thing. Everyone has to be the first and most knowledgeable.
Kinda interesting considering... 😉
@@simplelifedays3692 more of a herd sheep thing. People love to follow other people
How he got away with the rotting flesh smells in his apartment and grandma’s house, I do not know. Surely that’s worth a thorough search warrant, no matter what his excuses were.
People were stupid before the internet came along to rescue them.
Same with that Ed Gein, he had people living in his house, with 30 bodies under the house in the crawl space. They all lived there with the smell
I couldn't understand how they are cops but don't know what a dead body smells like it? They have to be idiots!
I belive it all depends where you live also. I live in NYC, if you complain to the authorities about a foul odor ( smelling like rotten bodies) the authorities are going to investigate that foul smell. Years ago my elderly neighbor died in his apartment & it was in the summer. The stench was horrible. After calling the police the investigated & found out what apartment the smell was coming from
They broke into the apartment & realized the man had been dead in his apartment for days, with the windows open. Other cities the authorities aren't that concerned & diligent about finding out thing like that!!!
Search warrent? This was 30+ years ago hahahaha
This is what you call old school incompetence!
good thing they aren't incompetent any more 😉
These cops who let Konerak go back to Dahmer went on to gain even higher positions within the police department and only retired between 2017 and 2020…
They are still alive to this day, getting to enjoy retirement, being praised for being cops on a daily basis…
😢
That is incorrect. They were fired
@@kristenv1432 they were initially fired for 60 days WITH PAY and then rehired with a banquet and benefits!!! Hate cops!!!
@@kristenv1432 it’s not incorrect they were brought back on the force because a judge thought firing them was too harsh of a punishment they indeed have recently retired
Hopefully the series in Netflix helps bring actual justice, better late than never. And with enough signatures and outpour of the people, it can happen. And the system will be obligated to lol back in to it
Wow the quality of this video and it’s audio is excellent… much better than more recent trials I’ve watched!!
Gosh you are right! It’s better than today
It's a movie.
yup was thinking the exact thing
90s
Can’t tell it’s 30 years old
Interesting when people say he should have been caught when the boy escaped his apartment, when in reality, he had many close calls that he could of and should of been caught in. Starting with his first murder, he had the cut up body in a garbage bag in his back seat at night when he was pulled over and the police officer even asked what was on the bag. Let him go. Then Mr. Flowers bringing the police to his house and the police believing Dahmer over the well-educated black man with no criminal record, THEN the boy escaping his apartment. Multiple police officers and agencies failed these boys and men. The bias they held is clear as day.
I agree with you, but want to note, you need to use the word have rather than of in your sentence structure.
I had my life destroyed by a psychopath. He found a LOT of helpers in the legal system. He was and is a professional liar and sadist. Lots of those in the legal ststem. Could be psychopathy, rather than racism. I have seen it and suffered it and I will NEVER get over it. Evil incarnate.
"could have and should have"
@@Misswiskers4 LMAO
@@EerieProps so funny 🙄
The Asian boys' family used to attend my dad's church. Their sister died of cancer. This family went through a lot. Then the nerve of my coworker) defending one of the cops because she is the ex-inlaw. She was married to his loser brother. The cops didn't check the boy's ID nor Dahmer's. They would have found that Dahmer was a sex offender (went to jail for drugging the 14 yr. old boy's brother). The cop Gabrish even got. promoted to captain. Dahmer got away with a lot as a white male. He was even stopped with a body in his car during his first kill and the cop allowed him to return home (Dahmer was on his way to bury the body in the woods) because Dahmer lied and the cop said Dahmer reminded him of his own son. The cop could have been a hero but chose to be lazy. The 3 cops were lazy and backed Dahmer to help him get away because they didn't do their jobs (kind of like what is going on now). If no one believed in white privilege and the good old white boy's club, believe it now. One of the cops even became president of the police association. Oh, my god.
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You're a lying racist.
Wow u can’t make this up
Bad police work and doesn't equal white privilege.
Amazes me how the land lord didn’t also listen in the beginning to the complaints of the fowl smells and weird sounds way sooner.
The cops who stopped him with body parts in the car gave him field sobriety tests and he passed. He wasn’t drunk that night, they ticketed him for driving left of center or something. The “you’re a good boy with life ahead of you” bs was made up for the show. It’s true that they didn’t look into the garbage bags, tho, just asked him about it.
Never trust a stranger. Old saying but will never be out of style.
I never seen so many people openly admit to complete and utter incompetence...shocking off the scale
This judge is even getting mad about all these readings and this case. He's like the hell is going on here 🤢
This case really showed how his privilege and the incompetence of the police allowed him to keep killing wow smh
W Hite privilege
@@jaeeluv absolutely
Oh you can bet if Dahmer had been the one reporting on Mr Flowers under the same circumstances it would have been a very different response from the police !!
I lived through it and when he was able to take that little naked Asian kid who was bleeding back into this apt underscored how privelege and homopphobic and racism all played a role in this.
Couldn't agree more!
Let’s be REAL here for once… These officers weren’t concerned cuz it had to do wit ppl that lived a different lifestyle. These officers got way too many calls concerning the smells and strange behavior coming from Jeff’s apartment. I’m sure most of those officers didn’t WANT to do anything about gay men coming up missing, just outta the blue! POOF💨💨💨 AND FOR YEARS!!! WE ALL have heard ppl of the law say a dead body has a distinct smell. They went to his apartment numerous times. U mean to tell me they “ALL OF A SUDDEN” couldn’t smell a NUMBER of dead bodies???? AND he lived in a neighborhood wit a high drug and criminal rates. So y’all KNO the law wuz around. Look, these ppl didn’t care!!! Why is it these serial killers can kill so many, right under the laws noses. But they don’t get caught for years? Cuz they mostly kill ppl that live on the “Fringes of society”, so to speak. THEY DIDN’T CARE!!!
FACTS! A decomposing body smells like nothing else. That ONE thing let’s me know that they knew he was hoarding dead bodies.
@@bigmona2741 the guy that got away that testified said there was a oder but didn't know what it was so maybe most people aren't going to think he has dead bodies in his apt..
And don't dare say police let them do it, that's stupid as hell. Until you work as a officer you have no idea, you're just making dumb assumptions. But that's today's society, make the cops to be the bad guy and the criminals out to be the victims.
More emotional bs to fit your self victimization. Not all cops have been around decomposing bodies, I have and it is a very distinct smell but also smells like a decomposing animal.
Most serial killers are very smart, charismatic and act normal so they don’t rouse too much suspicion. Not every this because of race as much as you’d like it to be.
One of the Konerak officers said he thought the smell might've been 💩 and he might've subsequently assumed that the 💩 smell was due to sex. As such they weren't gonna linger there.... The Netflix movie tried to allude to that when JD said sex gets "fiery" and "You how it is." Then the cop's comment to JD was "I certainly don't know. I don't know what you guys do... Now we have to shower..." 🚿 It's episode 2.
Unsure if that was the true chat 3 decades ago but it's what the writers put into the script. The 💩 part was true and can be found in the trial files. It's in the files officially as "excrement", not 💩 of course.
God forbid someone would go and speak to his grandmother
I can tell that a lot of people commenting here about how things were at the time of this case, weren’t actually around to know what the world was like at that time.
I was 28 vacationing in Chicago at the time this story broke. That's all people talked about in the restaurants and hotels. They couldn't keep enough newspapers on the street. This case will go down as one of the ultimate crimes against humanity for my generation.
It’s still the same way sir
Cop: No... No... No.... wait, did you ask me if I was an incompetent idiot at this time?? Emphatically YES!!!!
Everyone’s comments about getting into true crime is what got me into true crime
😂😂😂
Hell, I'm thinking about getting into true crime:)
The fact you are talking about other people getting you into true crime, makes me wonder whether I should get out of true crime, because I'm already into true crime?? Should I get into false crime instead?
1.Manson/Watson
2.Bundy
3.Dahmer
4.Cunanan
Lol
Everyone thinking their comment on what got them into true crime matters, is what got me out of true crime.
Any idea why people are saying this??
For real 😂😂😂
I love watching court and it's cool to see how different lawyers and judges practice and the relation to the time period.
Nerding out over here
same lol I love it!
So do i!
It's cool to watch it on youtube but not if you are there live, getting paid 10 dollars to be a juror.
Poor Tracy edwards he never been able to recover from this past.
I wonder if he was still homeless after getting out of prison?
They met in a Gay bar but he's not Gay ? He was involved with many crimes before and after his " ordeal " with Jeffrey.
I've read he pushed someone off the bridge
Tracy Edwards clams hes not gay but he was at a gay bar,went to a strange man’s house to take naked pictures with him and watch movies
I thought in the testimony they met in the mall
Dahmer looks completely uninterested in the proceedings. As if he's letting the adults sort it out.
It’s so strange the young Laotian boy was sent back with Dahner by officers only to be killed. There were 2 months from that day until Daumier was caught. I’m sure there was a report of a missing Laotian boy why didn’t the police put two and two together? Plus - supposedly it was the boys brother who put dahner on probation for taking pics of him underaged.
That never made any sense to me either. The truth is there was strong racism against Laotions, and other people that came over from that part of Asia in the Midwest at that time. They weren't treated well at all. A lot of them were sent to live in bad neighborhoods they knew nothing about by government programs. Many of them didn't know English so they couldn't get hired easily. People thought they would eat your cat or dog because of their culture. They just were resented because of ignorance. I remember a Buddhist temple where I lived being burned down that Laotians went to. Nobody was reprimanded for it. They really were treated bad.
Cause Jeffrey gave them a different name for the boy
This happened pre-Amber alert, so a minor could go missing for a while without triggering a report. In a lot of cases the police would also minimize parents' concerns, telling them that maybe the kid had run away or was out partying and being rebellious (especially with teenagers) and having them wait and see if they returned on their own, before organizing a search.
In this case though the lack of a widespread emergency alert system was absolutely no excuse cause -missing report or not - Dahmer was currently on parole for SAing a minor (the boy's brother) plus had a previous conviction for indecent exposure, all of which would've been evident if the cops had just bothered to run his name. It doesn't matter if the boy could talk or not, or if they could ID him or not cause it was Dahmer himself who was in the system, they'd at least have to take him in for questioning. Fact is they couldn't even be bothered to ask for a simple name check cause they didn't care about anybody in this situation (working class, POC, gay).
This was a terrible judgment call, but it went beyond the bigotry of those two officers since, after watching this, there's obviously a systemic issue affecting the entire department enabling this. It's clear it wasn't an isolated, "bad apples" incident, it was common and there was no accountability.
I never thought about how the police didn't connect the dots even after the same boy they found naked and unconscious went missing. This seems absurd I can't make any sense of it.
I truly am fascinated with this case.
why
One of my high school classmates was approached by Jeff Dahmer in 1989. We graduated in 1992 just after this trial. This brings back creepy memories. 😳
Your classmate was lucky
BS
@@Foxfire8787 I mean he was lucky because he didnt go to his apartment
Ur lying. U and every other person in the comments has also supposedly seen Dahmer
@@Noelia1582 I'm talking to op. Everyone claims they knew or know someone who knew Dahmer and I'm not buying it.
Police officers failed in this
They should of fired the whole police department for being careless and none protective of these men or the citizens of that State, just horrible!!!
should *have
Or maybe you should research more and learn about the system.
@@scottcharney1091 👏🏾👏🏾
@@tatt4music naw I'll leave that up to you ma'am sir
@@londonk69 Also, you are completely right!
Evan definitely deserves a Oscar for his portrayal of Dahmar on Netflix series
Oscars are for films not TV series. Emmys are for Television
@@vincew4297 Does it really matter
@@victoriagraham6470 I was giving them clarity, get a clue…
How many episodes are there? Or is it still going?? I haven't checked it out yet, guessing it's pretty good...
@@vincew4297 whatever. Emmy it is. Lol
Impeccable feather hair cuts in this trial.
So many missed opportunities 😪. May all the 17 victims RIP 🙏
It makes me so mad that they fired the cops who sent Konerak back into his apartment but then they were reinstated with back pay by a judge. They should have never lived without hearing about their screw up every day.
Its amazing how Dahmer looked so different in the trial than he did a year later in those TV interviews. I know the stress/relief/weight gain played a role but he genuinely looks like a completely different person in most photos/videos. Bundy was also a human chameleon in this respect...bizarre.
Agreed
he just gained and lost weight
Peanut butter syrup sandwiches served in jail tend to put the pounds on
They know they're sick and they study what normal behaves like. They learn to wear a mask.
Yes, bizarre is right it’s always puzzled me!
This has to be the worst court lay out ever
Being a former hospice nurse the smell of death is horrible- one body . How the grandmothers house didn’t gag you when you walked in amazes me! I feel so sorry for the people In the apt bldg having to deal with that smell . RIP to the victims
Dang, how long does it take for the coroners to get to your facility? I work at Hospice as well and have never smelled decomp.😳
@@indasmith86 your comment really got me I’m curious too
@@indasmith86 look at her name
They had family gatherings there.
Dahmer probably sprayed something to cover the smell
For many years ( before I was a psyche R.N.,) I had wondered what made Dahmer commit these heinous crimes. At that time there didn’t seem to be a reason, no emotional, physical, psychological abuse. The new Netflix series did a good job re: some possible reasons. It was insightful, frightening without too much gore. Acting was great. He got away with sooo much that I was astounded. Rest In Peace to the victims, kudos to the neighbor who kept calling, and my heart goes out to the victims families. Oh, hats off to the man who got away because he was the one who ultimately saved many lives. Forgive me if I forgot his name.
Tracy Edwards
I was almost one of his victims and I am sure others unknowingly escaped his grasp as well.
@@Breeze59PHB ~ Yes, thank you.
@@imhereforitall9218 ~ That’s terrible! Glad you weren’t!
The only explanation he deserves is he is pure evil. There’s no justifiable and casual link to produce such a monster.
You know someone is a psychopath when they drink Baileys straight out of the bottle.
🤢
Bailey’s isn’t that bad
It's like 15% alcohol.
Waaaait! I love Bailey’s
Straight out the bottle,..might I add 🥴😂
😂😂😂😂
Why do they take the victim’s back to the place/person that did this to them?
Probably to see if they're serious enough about their claim to go through with it, or intimidate them to retract their complaint.
Because they are incompetent and don’t know how to do there job along with not believing a black man. Facts
@@karayocum8847 no...
Because the 2 Women who were trying to help the victim were Black and the Police believe Dahmer over the Girls
First guy believed Dahmer over Flowers.
Gotta have evidence to arrest and Flowers said they were drinking together. Dahmer was convincing and there was no evidence of Flowers being drugged by Dahmer. He was, but you can’t prove that without evidence.
The judge was like I’m tired of hearing this.😂
Cops didn’t care, they were sloppy and unbothered! Shame on them! so many could have been saved!
Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback
2 officers. Not all of them. Such hyperbole.
I love how he's looking right at Jeff while answering at times.
Who gets wasted off of bailey's Irish cream and coffee. That should have rang alarm bells and supported the statement that he had been drugged.
Well we can thank the inmate(s) who took care of this P.O.S. The cops had one job and failed. Smh.
What I appreciate are how the prosecutors are quick on the draw, no pauses, and straight to the point. No, ‘um’, ‘um’, ‘um’. The ums drive me CRAZY when watching some.
Don’t watch Amber Heard’s attorney 😂
One thing that’s very important…you DO NOT drink anything that a stranger has made for you unless it’s an unopen beer or beverage
Fascinating case on so many levels.
That prosecutor went in boyyyyy ✔️💯
These cops contributed to the madness!!!
My uncle Tati says he worked with Jeff at Ambrosia Chocolate in the early 90’s like 90 or 91. He said that everyone knew to heat up their food early before Dahmer showed up because when Jeff heated up his lunch, it would stink up the place. I always felt my uncle embellished but after watching the Netflix show it’s seems more likely he was telling the truth
That's disgusting, everyone was heating up their food in that same microwave?
To think he was probably reheating body part sandwiches… disgusting POS
Shane on his coworkers for not demanding a citizens arrest... the dude looks like a creep... then he's heating up penus at work!?!?
Only after you watched the Netflix show? You know you could have watched numerous documentaries before. I call BS on your story.
That turned my stomach! That would be horrifying to learn
Smdh...can't even imagine what his victims went thru!! 😢
he drugged them to sleep first.
@@stevennorris7181 so??
I can see the irritation in dahmer, knowing he'll neverbe able to continue his evil acts of satisfaction
The stenographers apparatus must have combusted 🔥 due to the aggressive speed of dialogue‼️‼️
I feel so bad for that 14year old
Imagine walking in an apartment where there’s a dead body in the next room, not caring, and returning a 14yo boy back to his captor AT THE SAME TIME.
I was born in Ladysmith Wisconsin a very small town I still watch some of the stuff that comes up on RUclips about Dahmer and it just blows my mind those poor families even his family his father and his stepmother I can't even imagine what they go through I just pray all the time for peace for those families that they have some kind of peace as they lay down their head at night and it's only through Jesus Christ, Joshua hamashiach Jesus Christ the Messiah the father God and the flesh
I remember hearing about this in year 7. And then I remember hearing he was killed in prison a few years later. This peaked my interest in true crime.
I’m sorry but you couldn’t have heard this on year 7. It happened 1985 years after that.
In year 7??? Who the heck talks like that?
Carolyn Emerson - piqued not peaked but I get your point.
@@TruthTeller20242 they were in 7th grade dumb ass
@@TruthTeller20242 we do in the uk!
At 5:03, the judge is over it.
Dang I didn't even notice. Looks like he fell asleep.
Oriental??!!! I haven’t heard that term in ages! Smh
this was ages ago.
Yeah Oriental, the ones with the slitty eyes
Well it is old 🤷🏾♀️
@@woowee4452 what???
@@woowee4452 lmao
As with Gacy , Dahmer gor away with it for so long because he dealt with marginal young me. Some were gay some were hustlers some were closeted. But they were all human.
At least Gacy's officers smelled dead bodies when they went in his house
All facts spoken here.
Thank for sharing this with people who just love to see court trials
Ted Bundy got me into true crime. Dahmer was the second
JOHN WALSH FROM AMERICA MOST WANTED GOT ME ONTO TRUE CRIME
Barney the dinosaur got me into true crime.
Millions are children and their parents are still terrorized by hip hop Barney
It wasn't true crime it was scripted which makes it all the worse! Teaching children to sing as they "do their part" cleaning up Barney's crime scenes...
this gotta be the worst police department in history
Holy shite that lawyer looks like he's 15 years old.
But sharp
Which one?
Commiting crimes got me into crime
🤭 have you watched the Legal Eagle's advice about crime and social media?
Bet your mom is proud
@FBI check this guy out plz
Must've been tough as a Defense Attorney to defend a person you knew was guilty. However due process states that every person has a right to counsel. This process was only to determine how much time he'll get and the money the Defense will get because of the obvious
His attorney seemed very sympathetic to him IMO in the documentary. She said she felt like his sister or mother 🙄 like that judge in the sexual assault case. He looked like them so they related to him more
The haircut of the prosecutor 😣😂
But the smell. I mean decomposing corpses… and the police didn’t feel like that was a little strange when they got the 14 yo boy back in there? They should’ve been in jail, right next to him! I can only imagine the scent coming out of there when he opened his door. In all the cases I’ve seen, this might be the most insane thing. He literally got away with the smell of death. And how in hell did it not stain his clothes?!
He never got away though. He was definitely set up in prison.
Unsolved mysteries with Robert Stack got me into True Crime
Same, that music used to scare the hell outta me as a kid, but I couldn't stop watching.
I can’t understand why Dahmer didn’t use all that manipulation and charm to just make some friends and find a boyfriend….
He did not want a boyfriend. He wanted a sex slave and he was a necrophiliac. 🤦🤦🤦
Obviously he wasn't aware of his charm, probably didn't cross his mind about being great at manipulation.
@@sabrinamendez6223 when he was able to lie to the cops and get away with it , it Did cross his mind that’s how he got good at killing…. Obviously
I wondered that too. He like didn't even try ..
He was insane.
Why didn't he get locked up for 20 years in 1988 the judicial system needs worked on
fix it
Baileys Irish cream getting drunk from it, that’s hard to believe.
The judge seemed already decided on a decision all through this deliberation. Lol. He kept asking the stenographer to repeat everything the prosecutors were asking like he wasn’t listening to anything lol.
Baileys Irish cream leaving someone that out of it the next day... please.. the police were very willing to believe Dahmer over Mr Flowers !!! The pale privilege reeks more than Dahmers apartment!!!
White people should get more privilege
“Pale privilege” ugh, so lame. EVIDENCE! Gotta have EVIDENCE! Flowers admitted to drinking w Dahmer. The cops had no evidence and can’t prove Dahmer drugged Flowers, he could have taken something before hand. Not saying he did just saying you can’t prove Dahmer drugged him. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do when you know all the details.
jeffrey was well spoken and deceiving. don't be a racist
@@BabyMaharaja0 it's not racist it's facts. Jeffrey got away with murder and child molestation because of homophobia and racism. You can deny it all you want but that doesn't change facts
Apparently, being a cop in the 90’s was just being paid for doing a whole lot of nothing. Wait….
You really think all cops do nothing? Really?
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Some people are beyond help.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 You’re really gonna come on this specific story of cops handing a child with a hole drilled in his head back to a serial killer to further your weird blue lives matter fetish???
3.00 has the nerve to say didnt want to 'upset' the grandmother.
that high pitch frequency is annoying 😡
Cop: I asked him some questions. He answered my questions.
One of the most horrific cases that got me interested in True Crime. Then again, my Mother has always been a fan of that stuff and maybe that too has a part in me being interested in this kinda crazy world we live in.
My mum reading murder case books got me into true crime when I was about 8 (definately not images for children) read ALOT of cases, but Dahmer always comes back to me.
Oh cry me a river
@@shanes.1724what? 😂 that’s a weird non sequitor
Tinkie Winkie from Teletubbies got me into True Crime.
4:25 Tell me this lawyer doesn't look like two kids in a man suit and a fake mustache.
I literally had to do a double take when he came on. Lmfao
this deserves more likes
@@uuuultra lmao, thanks
What his name?
It’s shocking when you think about how many times dahmer got away when his crimes were right under their nose. But then again Wisconsin is full of drunks.
Damn, can't disagree with you..we used to be the beer capital of USA
Such an ignorant comment. Thank goodness you are not in law enforcement.
2 officers are partially responsible. 2, of the whole department.
@@tatt4music way more than 2 actually
Watching Inspector Gadget got me into true crime.
You funny as hell
Mine was Scooby-Doo
Lmao
He was the best. Still think of him frequently.
I fxxxn love you 🤨🤭 😂😭
These court vids are wild
5:02... judge needed a power nap.
Those eye glasses the guys wore back then are just creepy looking. Also seems like that was the generation of serial killers. Very strange.
Tell that to all those hipsters who just a couple of years ago were dying to wear these fugly type of glasses "ironically", LOL. They looked creepy 30 years ago and they still look creepy now. Thankfully that trend is finally dying down and we can stop lying to ourselves.
There's definitely been a decline in serial killers since the 90s, no one can really explain why, one of the main theories is that as DNA analysis started to rise councidentally these type of killings started to drop, meaning that people are probably caught sooner or sometimes for lesser offenses, but nobody knows for sure.
That era ended just to make way for the current generation of mass shooters, so people still suck...
Thanos Got me into True Crime.
If the cops did a sincere job he could have been arrested sooner 😢