Does your ball fit you properly? (Part 2)
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this is one of the best ball fit videos i've seen.
Great info, I just had my thumb pitch reversed another quarter, with turbo grip interchangeable thumb. Put ovals back in for fingers, much more comfortable cleaner release, and increased my ball speed. I agree it should feel completely comfortable to each individual. Thanks for the info, videos, and liked you coffee cup.
Great info!.. I’m in the middle of changing fit which brought me to these videos.. my eyes went right to the wrist band “i am second”... me too!!..
Great stuff as usual! Thank you!
Great video on ball fit! Can’t wait for the 3rd vid on offset... interesting topic... like it... Thank You JR!!!
That actually explained a lot and I put it to use my real ease improved dramatically
Thanks for highlighting pressure points as a key indicator for considering adjustments, and inspiring me to go for an "offset" thumb layout. Only bowled once with it so far, but I had an easier time managing my chronic high track issues in that release has improved and with my thumb in a more natural position, weight on fingers feels more evenly/consistently distributed as the ball clears.
Great video. Lots of great info to know for an up and coming at home ball driller. Keep them coming!!!
Glad it helps! Don't be afraid to share with others :)
Thank you for explaining the thumb pressure points. I'm having the same problem with my new bowling ball with a pressure point on the right tip of my thumb.
Yep, I'd agree with in the basket at the corner of the desk.
Wrist Restrictor.....something I need to try to help improve my hand position as I tend to come over it which helps you stop doing. Great stuff
Very good information in order to avoid the strain of the thumb. Besides it is very helpful especially for beginners and amateur bowlers to learn the proper way in holding and releasing the ball too.
Ball cleaner cap is in the paper tray.
I've also had recent issues with getting my thumb out of a centre lined thumb hole so much that I've been unable to release it at all most times. No matter how much rosin or tape I use. This only began after I had a new PSO drill my new ball and with an offset thumb hole. It wasn't until seeing these videos that I've realised what's happening. Thanks JR!
I'm going with the cap between the coffee cup and wrist restrictor. I enjoy the videos, keep them coming
Great video! I know absolutely nothing about drilling balls or fittings, but have been bowling for years and dealing with bowlers thumb and nerve pain at the base of my thumb…the way you explained the centerline and offset makes me think that is my problem. I can’t wait to get this checked so I can get back to playing, pain free.
Awesome video. I have been trying to describe just that with my hand... then my driller and coach said check out this video. I am hoping I can resolve this issue now.
It is behind the wrist band package, and coffee cup. I can't believe how much I just learned about grip fitting. I've had problems with thumb calis' on side of thumb.
First personal ball in my life and the pro-shop drilled my thumb on the center line. This forced my thumb to push under my hand and caused the inside edge of my thumb to carry the ball. It took one game and the ball was back to the shop and the thumb hole was filled and re-drilled a full inch left of center with a pitch that allowed the pad of my thumb to hold the ball like it was supposed to. None the less, the pain went away and through a turkey in the first three frames.
I have the same exact problem. I get calluses on the right side of my thumb. I have a wide hand.. I need to have the thumb hole plugged & redrilled..& moved to the left of the center line..
Very good information here!
Awesome! Don't be afraid to share with others
I just realized I needed my thumb hole off center a bit and it so much better
Changing the offset thumb angle is going to be my next discussion with Jeff. He is "my" pro. I have a "liquid bump" develop just below my first knuckle joint on my thumb. Maybe. Just maybe we can work this problem, all because of this video.
great info definitely need to adjust my thumb pitch got a small blister on front of the thumb from when releasing it
Enjoyed the Video. Would like to see more on depth of fingers when fitting with and without inserts
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Hi JR, Could you please follow up on this video with thumb pitch , if you find a moment. Would be really helpful .Thanks
Thanks JR for your videos. I like your style of explaining all these Bowling stuff.
My issue is a dark mark on the nail of my Ringfinger. Not on every shot but it’s often enough and if it comes it hurts a lot. Mostly it comes if I want to spare the right corner but also sometimes it comes if I want to bring more Rotation on the ball.
The Proshop make a change in the pitch so now the angle is not so sharp but it doesn’t have the right effect. The next thing is that I have a issue with my first finger joints direct behind the nail of my Ringfinger. Can you give me a tip so I can tell my proshoper have to look respectively what he can change to my layout?
Thanks, JR. Your video explains why I need to change the thumb pitch on my ball. I don’t get callouses, but the forward pitch must be the reason it feels hard to hold the ball without squeezing my thumb. When I get warmed up and try to put more spin on the ball, my thumb hangs up and the ball goes way left of target. (I’m right-handed)
This is my first custom-fit ball, so I don’t have to relearn anything if I change the pitch. Also, it’s hard to get my palm on the ball. Off-setting my thumb hole would stretch my ring finger more, but a friend says that finger should be relaxed to come out last...giving the ball more spin. Does that make sense?
Thanks again for your videos. And I like your coffee mug, too.
I need to get to Waterford for a fitting from JR
I like the coffee cup. Cool that its in video.
Offset grip equals span change. Any thumb hole I shift laterally leftward or right for lefties of that current centerline, to create thumb offset simply changes the span by raising the ring finger. I like the term finger offset. Precise span coupled with precise pitching. And correct hole sizes to the 1/64 for the thumb on the large side. Tape is a must. Unless climate dictates otherwise. Oval is great if u can replicate it to the degree. But personally I like round and use tape to create shape. I think most bowlers have a natural tendency to squeeze a little so using slightly more forward pitches with a comfortable thumb hole with tape helps bridge that gap of over under thumb leverage.
Only my personal thoughts on what has helped me. Nonetheless nothing more fun than trying different stuff. The perfect grip does not exist. But a better one seems to always be around the corner. :-):-):-)
In the basket on the desk, behind you at the beginning of the video.
I'm already in the process of having my equipment re-drilled with what my PSO calls a tri-grip (thumb offset with slight left pitch), along with 1/8 forward to help keep me from dropping the ball. Your video helps confirm that this is the correct decision for me. Thank you.
Thanks. I have big blister on the bottom of my thumb due to squeezing. I think I will change my pitch to see if that works.
Basket behind you to the right with the large red foam finger
Good knowledge
Im also looking foward on the offset thumb hole video
I'm gonna go with the red thing in front of the white sign in front of the foam hand.
If the cap is red it's in the clear tray on the table. There is some paper and foam finger behind the tray.
thanks great info
In the basket in front of the foam thumb
Thanks for the video information ... and,I really like the coffee cup too !!!
It’s the turbo wrist restrictor next to the coffee cup right in front of the ball you’re working on.
Is it in the paper tray? If not than on the shelf bottom right in the video!! Thanks for the help!
Had an epiphany at 3:19 where you’re talking about pushing your thumb to the back of the ball. I was alway misled about the tape on some thumbs so I’d assumed the pressure was at the nail of the thumb, not the base. Another thing to work on 😅
I think the red foam thumb pitching backwards
Red cap to the right of the computer monitor on white thing. Or in the basket too.
Thanks for your time in this videos! So if you have blisters on your palm at the fingers like brown burn marke what is causing this...?
Great videos JR. I got a callus bumps on the back side of each of my bowling fingers. What does that mean? Is my span too small???
It's the wrist restrictor I think. I come over the top and thump across the thumb hole currently.
I always say the ball should hold on to you, not the other way around. Grip pressure ideally is around a 3 on a scale of 1-10 per my bronze class instructor.
Wouldn't your "offset" be created if you use your measurements between thumb and index finger and thumb and ring finger then use your 0 side pitch and maybe 0 or 1/8 forward? I actually went to 0 forward/reverse and 1/8" right or under the palm after drilling many thumb holes to resolve the issue you discuss on the thumb dragging as you release it. Now I struggle a bit with dropping the ball so thinking of going to a bit of forward pitch. Your thoughts?
Wow...I have the same burn on my thumb pad like yours...I did have the pitch change to forward maybe by 1/8", but I feel like the span is longer, I have 1/2 pitch reverse, when you change it to forward, should the span be shorten a little bit?
Please do the off set video . I was wondering if I was crazy for thinking that
I’m getting the same thumb marks and your at 1/8 reverse. What did you change it to to stop that thumb burn? Thanks!!
I always have redness on my thumb nail bed and even a little under the nail. Is that a call for some reverse pitch?
I think the real issue here is a lack of data. Certainly there will be no universal correct fit. However, if the data were available you could come up with a chart, based on hand size and shape, of what generally works for, say, 20 basic hand templates. I have a large hand and disjointed thumb, and while my current fit seems sorta correct it is also the case that if I throw it even slightly wrong, I get searing pain in my thumb tendons. So there’s gotta be some way to say “with this hand shape/size, thumb angle typically works best in this particular fashion”.
Great info. I just had a ball drilled and it's definitely not right. Span too long and thumb hole too big. I really have to claw grip it to keep it on my hand and it causes my thumb skin to tear on the side and the tendons in my hand/arm are pretty sore after bowling 6 games. Going to a different PSO for a second opinion since the first one didn't even mention how to hold/grip the ball or how the thumb should be snug.
Hay great coffee cup.
Since the early 90s I've had an "offset thumb". I've only seen it as the span of my ring finger being about an 1/8th longer.
I've recently begun drilling my own. I really have to be careful about my span. I have one ball that is drilled within a 1/16th of another, just that much longer, and my thumb is hanging occasionally on the inside. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to maybe increase the left pitch a little when the span is a bit longer. I do prefer my span on the long side. Otherwise I feel like I have to squeeze the ball.
Did part 3 get taken down? I can't find it. I'm curious about the thumb offset theory as I believe that's always been an issue for me.
Two points on interest for my fitting....for years I had issues of hanging up in the ball, every driller that promised to resolve this, did the same thing and opened up the thumb making it worse because then I had to squeeze the ball. Found a guy that took a pocket knife and beveled the back of the thumb, immediately solved the problem. Secondly discovered Center Line Transfer, not a game changer but increased comfortably. Jus sayin........
Hey, I feel like I made a mistake with my first ball. I thought I'd get it drilled by a PSO then everything should be fine. PSO drilled it, thumb hung up/ ad some suction. I told him that he immediatly opened up the hole. Now its so big that i can't hold on to it without squeezing...
Also the thumb is kinda pitched inwards, like towards the palm, is this normal??? Oh and he made the fingertip inserts bigger than what my fingers actually are, incase there is swelling...
I just wanted a well fitting ball... :(
@JR Raymond what should I do if my finger joints hurt when bowling.
Is it the wrist restrictor from the last video? Or something to do with the red foam thumbs up?
I've gone to 3 or 4 pro shop in my area and none of them can get my thumb right. My thumb is oval, not round so went they drill it I usually have to use a golf glove because the hole is so big, real big
I'm getting bruise under my thumb nail like blood. what is causing this? pitch? need offset? I have full fingertip ball no inserts.
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I'm obviously not the first, but, I found this video about six weeks ago. Using this information, I discovered that my grip was off by about 1/8" (to long) in addition to having some reverse pitch in the fingers that had the finger nails digging into the front/top of the grips. Someone in my league told me about a local guy who worked out of his garage while having a pro shop elsewhere. Bottom line - grip shortened up, two weeks with the new grip span, 749 & 653!
The proper fit is a game changer!
My middle finger knuckles and had joint get sore now I have the new replacement thumbs release. It didn’t bother me before I put them in. Pro shop operator just said o was getting old. Did not offer any help.
I was in league tonight, using inserts, my index finger insert is cracked a little, and my ball has a hairline crack above that insert. The last shot of my second game, the weight of the ball was directly on that finger, pain went down my entire finger. Was forced to put myself on blind for my 3rd game of the series. Proper fitment is crucial with any ball. More than likely will have to plug my ball, have it redrilled, with new inserts to address this issue. Like the words on that coffee cup btw!!!
How does a person know when a ball is too heavy verses a grip issue. I’m just getting back into bowling and have this notion that you need a #15 or #16 lbs ball. I just purchased a 15 lbs ball when my previous ball that I used for years was a 14. A pro shop once told me that for increased scoring I would need go with heavier ball. Now, I’ve bowled about 3 times with the new ball and it just feels heavy. My age is 55 in fairly good condition and strength. I was previously a league bowler years ago with a 190 avg. thoughts ??
I drop my bowling ball, because I have a callous on ball. How can I avoid this and keep my avg at 191? I have brand new grips and thumb hole...Thank you
In this video you said the ball should feel like it will come off your hand. When I go to bowl it’s like it’s stuck so it’s not rolling off properly. I just got a new ball so I’m not sure if it’s me or the drilling in the ball. I can even hear a sound as if someone popped a plastic top of a glass bottle. My thumb feels tight but not too tight....my fingers feels fitted. I have a 12 pounder
What about for a Conventional Grip?
Any tips about how to lay it out?
Pitches? Spans? Center Line? Oval Thumb? Offset Thumb? Etc...
I was taught that the first knuckle should be in the center of the finger holes for correct fit.
Hello, I'm returning to bowling after a long lay off, I have a reactive ball but find it almost impossible to get any hook.
I bowled a practice 3 games today and my technique was all over the place. The ball almost falls off my hand and just pulls across to the left, but no hook. I tried some tape in the thumb hole and on my thumb but made no difference and the first time ever the ball flew out of my hand on the back swing....TWICE !!! never happened in 40 years. Any suggestions ?
If you are having arthritis problems with fingers what do you recommend
In the basket in front of Red foam finger
Looks like the cap is in the middle finger hole of the ball you are using in the demonstration
Yeah I think it's in the basket with turbo patches
cap is in your finger hole in the GB3 pearl
I'd love to chat with you one on one... this is actually a way bigger issue than many bowlers understand.
Can you send the link on ball tape please
Red cap in what looks like a basket or something behind you to YOUR right. Hard to tell from my phone.
Nothing is scarier than feeling like the ball is not gonna come off my thumb, but it is also awkward to not put my thumb all the way in
In the ball near the pins?
Hello! Jr. Have you ever dealt with a shop guy that is bad about opening up your new thumb insert too much? I recently had 2 thumb inserts replaced on 2 bowling balls on different days & the guy did the same thing I told him try not to grind my insert down too much. Then if I ask him can you give me another one he doesn't want to do that without charging me for it. Lol.
What about suction. I have a lot of suction when my thumb is inserted into the ball. It’s suctions to my thumb and makes my release quite delayed.
Atoh, try tape in the thumb hole and or tape on your thumb. May make the thumb hole feel tighter but makes it easier to release. He said in the video the thumb should fit tight.
Why cant I find part 3
Red cap laying in basket...far corner of desk it would appear.
It's red and on the laptop keyboard!
Well I'm an idiot. That's very obviously a basket and not a laptop by the foam finger. Dern.
From the beginning, red cap is sitting in the basket.
Looks like it's on your right on top of a rack or tray in front of the RED THUMBS UP and Certificate.
Why am I chucking wing it
Looks like a red sponge thumbs up , on the corner of the desk.
I'm a crab with my ball,my release is bad for this
I’m trying to be more consistent, it’s hard
Found the cap. Red Thumbs up
Basket in the back. Red cap.
Fitting is a weird thing. Years ago when I started drilling I took every used ball I could get my hands on plugged redrilled all sorts of different ways. In some aspects I am very unconventional. You say you want that thumb slug tight that's a big no no for me I'll drill it for a customer like that if that's how they chose but I'd much rather myself personally drill the hole bigger by about a 64th or a 32nd and tape up I say that because I bowled with a ball for quite some time with a tight fit. And bowled a big tournament where my fucking thumb actually didnt come out of the ball. Had for months before throwing this ball. But never again will I throw a ball with a tight fit slug. Oversize tape to proper fit and I over exaggerate the reverse so when I'm gripping the ball I know I'm coming out clean ever time no matter what
I don't know what I need to do but I am almost afraid to bowl anymore. I have a permanent bruise on my thumbnail and every time I bowl it gets worse and hurts worse I have made the hole bigger but at this point I am unsure what I can do to stop this. Any suggestions!! I used to bowl all the time but since I've went to a fingertip bowling ball I don't enjoy as much and is quite painful. The person that drilled the holes said it is just me. and nothing is wrong with the ball.
Find a better proshop. It’s definitely a fit thing that’s making you squeeze
@@Tenpindoctors there are no other pro shops in my area. And not many people know much about bowling.
@@Tenpindoctors that is the only pro shop and that is in a different town from where I live. Limited around this area.
@@Tenpindoctors i went to a bowling alley in another town a couple months ago and the owner was there, i asked him and he is the one that made the hole a little bigger, i think it may have helped a little but it still hits back of my nail and hurts.. May 12th we are in a mom son tournament (son is 12 years old). Maybe I should use my mother's old ancient regular standard ball? I don't know so frustrating because I really love bowling and this is my son's first year. He really likes it too.
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Ummmm how did I get here? why is this in my suggestions? I don't even have interest in bowling... am I they only one?
Lol it's a great game. Give it a try
@@Tenpindoctors lol I will. :)