I'm sure most of you have seen it, but in case you didn't, my lap with modified Tesla M3P is now top 3 ever-watched videos on my channel with 1.6 Million views: ruclips.net/video/I-LI_jeytBI/видео.html Also worth watching the lap with stock one (1.3M) : ruclips.net/video/7BMoprNXZZg/видео.html
Tesla Red car lap was very very impressive, I thought you drove it very well, very relaxed and smooth. The poor owner was hilarious in the passenger seat! I wait with excitement to see you drive the developed Atomic/ Unplugged performance Tesla M3p. Great content! 👍
Yes, A Tesla Model S Plaid + would also be a very interesting drive! Perhaps some kind person could loan you a Porsche Taycan Turbo S until the plaid turns up!?
Well then build a custom Dyno that can handle that much energy and running hard for couple of hours (no rest). I don't think an off the shelf commercial one exist.
Misha, ever since late 2019, the M3P was officially patched with an update that gave it more power and the HP went from 450 to about 497. In fact there were 2 power-bumping updates that came in 2019. In other words, “450hp” became history as of nearly 2 years ago now.
Yes, but you have to understand that you cant compare this to 500hp in a petrol car. A petrol car can use the peak power agaim and again in every Gera. The tesla only has its peak power at exactly one speed. So you cant look at peak horsepower in an electric vehicle like you do in a normal car.
@@mkm6073 Nontheless the performance is insane. We wont have a relatively cheap production car like the Model 3 do lap after lap at peak performance for a long time probably, but it could be better with improved cooling and stuff.
Extreme endurance is coming sooner than we think. The tabless electrode in the 4680 cell is more important than we think and offers advantages beyond ease of manufacture. In current tabbed electrode technology in all LiIon cells regardless of manufacture... All the current and heat must travel through a small tab to the battery terminal. This results in battery heating and thermal losses. Tabless electrode allows conduction of heat and current from the entire surface of the electrode to the body of the cell resulting in orders of magnitude less electrical resistance and vastly superior heat wicking. The axial surface of the cell becomes a giant heat sink that can be easily and efficiently be cooled with minimal effort. "When using the traditional end-tab design, the ohmic losses from the current collectors results in five times more energy being lost as waste heat, compared with the tabless case." Article for reference: iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/1945-7111/abd44f Berlin Model 3,Y, plaid+ model s, Cybertruck will all use this new battery.
1,5 year ago i got to drive a Tesla Model 3 LR, game over for ICE for me, i drive an EV since jan, 2020, never going back. As an automotive engineer, specialized in vehicle propulsion, i already liked EV, so maybe i'm biased. Tesla Model S plaid+ will be insane. I'd prefer a base Porsche Taycan though
Balls dropped when the car started moving around. Glad everything was under control. Interested to see what Atomic does with this thing. Good seeing carmrade Oleg after a while.
Considering the weight, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times. Im willing to guess chill mode just cuts power from half the motors and changes the power delivery tune. Its prob around 250hp in chill. 500 in sport with more aggressive tune.
Dyno mode reduces torque and power from a standstill (can be felt when on the road) I suspect the difference in immediate torque from the old car to this new car could be due to dyno mode. Try dyno with track mode on and stability and traction control all the way turned off.
I have a Model 3 performance from 2019. I was delivered with 450hp but over The 2yrs three have been 2 software updates to The powertrain. Each time adding abort 5% more hp to The engine. I Think The car is listed at 513hp today. Thats why you Got The Wong Numbers
Now that was interesting to watch even though I'm not into the Tesla. You guys not only have a great setup but also some key partners. Enjoyed that and look forward to following the evolution of this car.
Hi Mischa. The 2019 M3 LR AWD was quoted 449hp after a free 5%-ish power upgrade end of 2019 or early 2020. I remember the P was quoted already above 500hp after the power upgrade. Nice vide
that makes absolutely 0 sense, the power is calculated from the torque on the dyno, the red torque line is bellow the blue through out the graph, how could the power be higher? power is just a function of torque and rpm. Only thing that could cause this is some ambient related compensation on the dyno software.
@@AlastairMaw yes, the blue cars torque is in every place higher than the red cars, yet somehow the red car has supposedly more power, doesn't make sense.
Oh I see what you mean. Yes, that's weird. Maybe the dyno is trying to figure "crank" horsepower and all the electric motor management, etc. messes it up? They say not, and it's wheel horse power. No idea!
I noticed that too. It would only work if the red and blue torque graphs were using a different scale but why would they do that?. Unless the computer did it because the runs started differently. The blue was higher when it started.
High performance battery and controller cooling will probably need to go beyond passive, small air vents, to a more active fan-driven cooling system, with a larger pump, low grille intake, and outlets in a negative pressure area behind the front wheels. I'm looking forward to what Atomic can achieve in this direction!
They are not cooled passively. Search for Sandy Munro's "Octavalve" video. All the systems in the car are cooled and heated actively. It might need more cooling power though for sustained track use, that is not disputed.
@@snviper Thanks for that information, Robin. I was assuming and was wrong. I know Tesla's engineering is top grade and the modified Model S seen at Nurburgring recently was modified with its lower grille intake and likely had larger pumps and fans on the heat exchanger, also.
Tougher for you to do without access but it'd be neat to bring the old red car back in to see if the changes in curves are due to software or hardware. My butt dyno tells me that it's software, since I feel like my car doesn't kick as hard in the start but keeps pulling more at speed - which aligns with the graph. Great video as always.
We will be comparing them later. Also, we know already that the new battery is still in testing mode, so it doesn't allow to take all power it can give. Hopefully later it will give more power from lower state of charge.
Great video, however to be sure to have the most accurate number, you should aslo take in account the state of charge and the battery temp (with Scan myt Tesla for instance) ;)
Thank you Misha! Dynojet are considered "crankshaft" HP figures............though all brands of dynos can suffer from some "fingers on the scale" syndrome. Dynojets are historically and corporately designed to show higher numbers.....which is why if someone wants to brag......they post a Dynojet graph. Dynomometers are important comparison tools when used correctly, which appears to be the case here😎
This is more power than my old fully build Golf 3 VR6 Turbo @ 1,9bar with GT35R and 98 octane 😅 2021 3P is my all-day family car now. Faster than my 15 year old turbo build.
Remember the weight, you can drive the golf to the beach with 3 full sized buff miss fitness ladies and fill the trunk up with food, drinks and spare clothes for everyone, and still have a lighter car then the 2021 Tesla 3P.
@@foam27 Quite a bit more expensive though. The out of warranty cost is also very scary and the service is really bad. Tesla has the second highest fault rate in the German car inspection after the first 3 years, the only car that is worse is a Dacia. They are reporting loose screws in suspension arms and other suspension failures. Waves of constant software updates to fix production problems. Constant broken promises of the Cybertruck, the flying Roadster 2 and practically no trucks in sigt.
Hi Misha.. Hmmm Interesting.. Dyno testing a Tesla EV sounds Wierd, it's like being in a factory! Most of the "whirring noises" we hear are from the Dyno rollers being spun up?..rather than the car itself?? Its Great Video content all the same! 👍😎👍 LOVE Ya Work bro💕 Godbless ava Gday🙂
This is cool because i bet there will be an ecu that can controll the actual torque of the car so that you can simulate an actual power curve of a car. Like you can make it have a powercurve of a honda civic type r and make it feel like it has v-tec and much more cooler stuff.
I’m confused by the graphs. If horsepower is higher at higher speed, then torque must also be higher, yet the torque graphs are almost identical at higher speed.
Fun fact: my pickup was manufactured in the same plant now occupied by Tesla Fun fact II: the projected carbon footprint of my 20yo pickup over the expected product life cycle has already lower impact than any current Tesla product. Fun fact III: if my pickup had Tesla like power figures, I’d probably be worm food already!!! Great content Misha!!! Can’t wait to see Atomics battery venting and cooling mods (sexy rocker panel ducting???) !!! Will stay tuned for that!!!
So the next target is to make it work half decent for the Nürburgring Langstrecken Serie (VLN sounds way better, but ...)! Maybe a 3-hour race and then develop from there. That would be a really interesting project.
So where the red line hp is higher than the blue line, why isn't torque of red line also a bit higher for same rpms? Power = Torque x RPM right? for same *wheel speed, I'd expect torque crossing at the same spot.
520 odd wheel horsepower is about 550-560 at the engine/motor with less than 10% drivetrain loss. Tesla may have quoted it lower to take into account power loss from batteries warming up or being low on charge but it's definitely under rated at optimal conditions.
Most independent dyno tests done to the 2021-2023 Model 3 Performance are giving the same results average 520 HP to the wheels. Tesla advertises less to avoid issues as owners could claim they advertise more and also insurance could get higher in some cases. So for official purposes, it has 450 HP, for us owners, we know is a 520 HP beast.
When You register an EV, usually they do not put the peak kW in the passport, they put some way lower number that is calculated as continuous power over certain period of time. So my M3 has only around 160kW in the passport instead of 360kW and insurance rates are based on the passport number.
8:21 That's not a perfectly accurate comment. Diffusor is not some vertical strakes, it is the actual floor curved upwards. The strakes just may improve the diffuser efficiency in some aspects but this totally is a diffuser.
@fann0727 Correct. I noticed that as well but it's been already mentioned on some other comments. Surprising that they did not notice this obvious misalignment in the data.
It could be that power delivery depends on load to a greater extent than gasoline engines, and that dyno's load is favorable for those electric motors.
13:57 Tesla never updated the horsepower numbers presumably to make the Model 3 look worse in comparison to i.e. the old long range model S. The original Model 3 had 450hp but it had 2 5% performance boosts which brings it up to 500 hp. The extra 20 hp may be from variation of the inverter and having a nice warm high charged battery as well as a newer car. I think the 2018/19 performance 3 usually had around 502-505hp dynoed after the 2 boosts.
I love how much overlap there is between overclocking a computer and an electric car. :) Can't wait for the collab between you guys and Jayztwocents on watercooling a Tesla :P
15:28 if Torque is higher in the older car at 100+ kph then how could Horsepower be less than the new car at those same speeds? The torque of the old car is higher throughout the entire graph. Why isn’t the horsepower higher for the old car over the new car. Those graphs don’t make sense.
That's electric motors without gears for you. The coils and magnetic fields cannot switch rapidly enough when RPM gets high enough but unlike ICE, electric motor gets max torque with 0 rpm.
The bit about the heat pump and condensor does not seem right. It still has a condensor, it has a heat pump in addition to that, which leaches heat from the battery (and the exterior, through the battery) to heat the HVAC.
The non performance 2021 long range model 3 with acceleration boost is 490 odd bhp as stock, performance is more like 540 as they use the exact same motors. True story
I don’t know, but I am guessing that the older model three might have the same power curve as the new one due to software updates? My old rear wheel drive model three certainly seemed much more fierce when I first got it, and then it moderated over time but the punch came later on during acceleration. I believe this was due to modifications in the software via OTA updates.
You really need to test the old and new Tesla back to back with the same software version. Tesla releases efficency and power tweaks OTA. It could be that the old model 3 with new software produces the same power curve as the 2021. I've noticed a moderate efficency gain in software version 2020.48.35.5. Compared to the old versions. Butt Dyno is about the same not that I can tell a 10hp difference .
Probably not. Two speed gearboxes are inefficient and induce unnecessary parasitic losses. I think they'll either figure out a way to spin the motors faster on one speed while trying to maintain a flat power curve like the plaid or add more motors.
Little does everyone know Elon left a Easter egg setting in that car that can only be accessed thru a series on inputs on the controls and it unlocks "BEAST MODE" ;) Just hit the gas, brake, ac, heat, open the glove box and some other inputs within a few seconds and your dash will light up and say BEAST MODE. You now have 650 HP! Super secret that only a hand full of people know about. ;) :)
I heard that it’s only like a 3% difference assuming your ac system is turned off, the main difference comes from the extra power used for keeping the car warm and whatnot.
Yup. I have a 2019 M3P and pulled hard away from a C63s a few days ago. Polestar 2 gave it a good go but still lost also. Most don't bother like you say 😂
Would be interesting if the power difference between old and new model is in hardware or software. Maybe the old car will have the same power curve now with the latest software
Great video thanks. It would be good to compare the older car with the current software. Have you ruled out that the differences might just be software related?
Just a couple of days ago I watched him crush your phone with his massive bear claw hand. I thought you were going to give him a good slap which would end well for you. 😂
I'm sure most of you have seen it, but in case you didn't, my lap with modified Tesla M3P is now top 3 ever-watched videos on my channel with 1.6 Million views:
ruclips.net/video/I-LI_jeytBI/видео.html
Also worth watching the lap with stock one (1.3M) : ruclips.net/video/7BMoprNXZZg/видео.html
tell us about your new car
Tesla Red car lap was very very impressive, I thought you drove it very well, very relaxed and smooth. The poor owner was hilarious in the passenger seat! I wait with excitement to see you drive the developed Atomic/ Unplugged performance Tesla M3p. Great content! 👍
Misha get the model s plaid or find someone who ordered one!
Yes, A Tesla Model S Plaid + would also be a very interesting drive! Perhaps some kind person could loan you a Porsche Taycan Turbo S until the plaid turns up!?
Mountain pass performance did this on their channel at several did charge capacities
Save your time. Peaks at 522-523HP. Curves at around 13:30
How much is max torque
@@Jonmorris555 707Nm
Thanks
Thanks man!
Thanks, 15min video reduced to 5sec. People talk too much...
The numbers at 13:50
THANK YOU! (why has your comment not been liked multiple thousands of times?)
You da real MVP
Thx Mason
@@ReXzz because he put time stamps in the video already
Omg thank you! I about shit my pants @ 15 mins and 5 commercials for 3seconds of info.
It would be interesting to dyno through the entire discharge range of the batteries. From 100% down to 10% SOC.
Mountain pass performance already did that.
We did that test last year with 2020 model, with last update car was much more stable, i think MPP test was done much earlier with old software.
@@olegalex78 aby certain numbers?
Like what sort of change (drop) it was?
Tesla Bjorn did a 0-100 test on different SOC's. And there is a big difference between the model 3 -2019 and 2021 model.
Well then build a custom Dyno that can handle that much energy and running hard for couple of hours (no rest). I don't think an off the shelf commercial one exist.
Misha, ever since late 2019, the M3P was officially patched with an update that gave it more power and the HP went from 450 to about 497. In fact there were 2 power-bumping updates that came in 2019. In other words, “450hp” became history as of nearly 2 years ago now.
Is it the same for the 2018? New to teslas so not sure if years of the vehicle differs with updates
@@alonzo5.040 yes same. Applies to all M3 Perf
Hi
Mate can you map a CUPRA born?
Misha is a freaking gold mine of excellent content
"Are we gonna be safe?"
Yep, unless Misha sits behind the wheel and fully sends it down the track, like he did with Max's model 3 😅
I bet it was freaking weird to speak English between two Russians
Russian-Germans to boot. English is their 3rd language.
Yea that is right. Cool
its not.
love your tesla content!
500+hp on the wheels is crazy good for this price!
Yes, but you have to understand that you cant compare this to 500hp in a petrol car. A petrol car can use the peak power agaim and again in every Gera. The tesla only has its peak power at exactly one speed. So you cant look at peak horsepower in an electric vehicle like you do in a normal car.
Just look at the driving video where they have to cool down the car while driving, then you can think about the price point again :D
@@mkm6073 Nontheless the performance is insane. We wont have a relatively cheap production car like the Model 3 do lap after lap at peak performance for a long time probably, but it could be better with improved cooling and stuff.
Extreme endurance is coming sooner than we think. The tabless electrode in the 4680 cell is more important than we think and offers advantages beyond ease of manufacture. In current tabbed electrode technology in all LiIon cells regardless of manufacture... All the current and heat must travel through a small tab to the battery terminal. This results in battery heating and thermal losses. Tabless electrode allows conduction of heat and current from the entire surface of the electrode to the body of the cell resulting in orders of magnitude less electrical resistance and vastly superior heat wicking. The axial surface of the cell becomes a giant heat sink that can be easily and efficiently be cooled with minimal effort. "When using the traditional end-tab design, the ohmic losses from the current collectors results in five times more energy being lost as waste heat, compared with the tabless case."
Article for reference: iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/1945-7111/abd44f
Berlin Model 3,Y, plaid+ model s, Cybertruck will all use this new battery.
all they now need is a gear to shift!!
crazy if you have 3 gears
i really love how the way the interface looks now
1,5 year ago i got to drive a Tesla Model 3 LR, game over for ICE for me, i drive an EV since jan, 2020, never going back. As an automotive engineer, specialized in vehicle propulsion, i already liked EV, so maybe i'm biased. Tesla Model S plaid+ will be insane.
I'd prefer a base Porsche Taycan though
Thanks Oleg and you Misha good to see Oleg again !
Best thing about electric cars is clean "engine bay" ...i look into this front arms and they are soooo clean
Balls dropped when the car started moving around. Glad everything was under control. Interested to see what Atomic does with this thing. Good seeing carmrade Oleg after a while.
Sheesh indeed, although mine went up to my bellybutton hight. Pray for them to return.
Makes 450hp in "CHILL" Mode probly. I just got my 2020 M3P a few days ago. And there is a HUGE difference in power and delivery.
Considering the weight, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times. Im willing to guess chill mode just cuts power from half the motors and changes the power delivery tune. Its prob around 250hp in chill. 500 in sport with more aggressive tune.
hell fucking no, the CHILL mode is probably liek 150-200hp, sport is the full power, that amounnt difference in power isnt only 100hp difference
@@albieYT Yeah, pretty sure I saw a dyno run on chill and it was 200hp, hilarious that most new family saloons don't even have that much.
@@TerribleHandleName i'm trying so hard to hate EV's , but the model 3 performance just makes you not bruh
Dyno mode reduces torque and power from a standstill (can be felt when on the road) I suspect the difference in immediate torque from the old car to this new car could be due to dyno mode. Try dyno with track mode on and stability and traction control all the way turned off.
My car was also tested in dyno mode.
@@MaxKosenko yeah, but it's Tesla... software can change everything with a single update. Who knows, maybe worth a try? I'd be curious.
When we can travel again, if they want to compare a regular vs performance. Let me know and I'll come up.
Timestamps in the description are the new gold standard for YT videos IMO. Top work :-)
Area under the curve is definitely bigger in the new car!
Can't wait to see the S Plaid + on your channel and on the track!
This comment didn’t age well 😊
@@WiZe1972 why not? plaid is a good car
@@stef7396 Plaid is an excellent car but Plaid + never happened (Musk talked about it but then he said that Paid was enough power)
Here in Austria in the Tesla showroom they advertise it with 524PS
How much do the they advertise the dual motor model 3?
@@eclipsegsx96 with or without acceleration boost? ;)
those and the numbers from the dyno are calculated or at wheels?
I have a Model 3 performance from 2019. I was delivered with 450hp but over The 2yrs three have been 2 software updates to The powertrain. Each time adding abort 5% more hp to The engine. I Think The car is listed at 513hp today. Thats why you Got The Wong Numbers
Now that was interesting to watch even though I'm not into the Tesla.
You guys not only have a great setup but also some key partners.
Enjoyed that and look forward to following the evolution of this car.
You need to get your hands on the new model s Plaid an then the Plaid+!!
Hi Mischa. The 2019 M3 LR AWD was quoted 449hp after a free 5%-ish power upgrade end of 2019 or early 2020. I remember the P was quoted already above 500hp after the power upgrade.
Nice vide
Evening Misha and Oleg, thanks Oleg for sharing the Dyno results of your Tesla and Misha for recording it.
I like tesla community that youtube video about the dyno mode was gold
that makes absolutely 0 sense, the power is calculated from the torque on the dyno, the red torque line is bellow the blue through out the graph, how could the power be higher? power is just a function of torque and rpm. Only thing that could cause this is some ambient related compensation on the dyno software.
I saw that as well, makes no sense what they show and say. Red torque curve is below blue one all the time, so should be power...
I thought the the red and blue aren't power and torque, they are the two different vehicles. Blue is older model 3, red is newer 2021 model?
@@AlastairMaw yes, the blue cars torque is in every place higher than the red cars, yet somehow the red car has supposedly more power, doesn't make sense.
Oh I see what you mean. Yes, that's weird. Maybe the dyno is trying to figure "crank" horsepower and all the electric motor management, etc. messes it up? They say not, and it's wheel horse power. No idea!
I noticed that too. It would only work if the red and blue torque graphs were using a different scale but why would they do that?. Unless the computer did it because the runs started differently. The blue was higher when it started.
High performance battery and controller cooling will probably need to go beyond passive, small air vents, to a more active fan-driven cooling system, with a larger pump, low grille intake, and outlets in a negative pressure area behind the front wheels. I'm looking forward to what Atomic can achieve in this direction!
They are not cooled passively. Search for Sandy Munro's "Octavalve" video. All the systems in the car are cooled and heated actively.
It might need more cooling power though for sustained track use, that is not disputed.
@@snviper Thanks for that information, Robin. I was assuming and was wrong. I know Tesla's engineering is top grade and the modified Model S seen at Nurburgring recently was modified with its lower grille intake and likely had larger pumps and fans on the heat exchanger, also.
Tougher for you to do without access but it'd be neat to bring the old red car back in to see if the changes in curves are due to software or hardware. My butt dyno tells me that it's software, since I feel like my car doesn't kick as hard in the start but keeps pulling more at speed - which aligns with the graph. Great video as always.
We will be comparing them later. Also, we know already that the new battery is still in testing mode, so it doesn't allow to take all power it can give. Hopefully later it will give more power from lower state of charge.
Good to see Oleg again .
Great video, however to be sure to have the most accurate number, you should aslo take in account the state of charge and the battery temp (with Scan myt Tesla for instance) ;)
Thank you Misha!
Dynojet are considered "crankshaft" HP figures............though all brands of dynos can suffer from some "fingers on the scale" syndrome.
Dynojets are historically and corporately designed to show higher numbers.....which is why if someone wants to brag......they post a Dynojet graph.
Dynomometers are important comparison tools when used correctly, which appears to be the case here😎
It was more important to compare 2 versions of the car on the same dyno.
😂😂😂 Just believe me, i have had hundreds of hours on different dynos, this why I said in advance it is WHP but lets talk about difference.
I would like to come after 4 or 5 years and do this dyno again.
This is more power than my old fully build Golf 3 VR6 Turbo @ 1,9bar with GT35R and 98 octane 😅 2021 3P is my all-day family car now. Faster than my 15 year old turbo build.
Remember the weight, you can drive the golf to the beach with 3 full sized buff miss fitness ladies and fill the trunk up with food, drinks and spare clothes for everyone, and still have a lighter car then the 2021 Tesla 3P.
@@larsjrgensen5975 Yet it's still slower, and costs 80% more to refuel.
@@foam27 Quite a bit more expensive though.
The out of warranty cost is also very scary and the service is really bad.
Tesla has the second highest fault rate in the German car inspection after the first 3 years, the only car that is worse is a Dacia.
They are reporting loose screws in suspension arms and other suspension failures.
Waves of constant software updates to fix production problems.
Constant broken promises of the Cybertruck, the flying Roadster 2 and practically no trucks in sigt.
I did the dyno test on my SR+ when doing time attack three weeks ago 🥲😅😂
"We are totally safe"
Famous last words
Really interesting Misha. I always wondered what happens when a car nearly falls off a dyno. Rather undramatic fortunately!
Mr. Beard welcome back ✋
Now we are waiting for a full send of this model! :D
Hi Misha..
Hmmm Interesting..
Dyno testing a Tesla EV sounds Wierd, it's like being in a factory! Most of the "whirring noises" we hear are from the Dyno rollers being spun up?..rather than the car itself??
Its Great Video content all the same! 👍😎👍
LOVE Ya Work bro💕
Godbless ava Gday🙂
This is cool because i bet there will be an ecu that can controll the actual torque of the car so that you can simulate an actual power curve of a car. Like you can make it have a powercurve of a honda civic type r and make it feel like it has v-tec and much more cooler stuff.
Power delivery could be software-controlled. It would be interesting to see if the 2020's curve changed with updates.
Nah this could be Motor Internals or Gearing changes. The whole torque band change does not seem like software based.
the car had two horsepower boosts (5%) in 2019...hence it makes now around 505-525hp.
crazy to think a car can now 'update' and download more hp.
@i1Tesla coming in clutch with the dyno test video haha
Björn hat schon gesagt durch die neue Batterie 🔋 hat es sich Geändert
I’m confused by the graphs. If horsepower is higher at higher speed, then torque must also be higher, yet the torque graphs are almost identical at higher speed.
I caught that as well.
Hey, I know that dyno! Hopefully next time I'm there, it'll show a higher figure. :D
Not higher than the Tesla, cause damn.
I can't recognize Misha without the glasses 🤣🤣🤣
We should just listen to Misha, I mean he drove a Rimac C2 he is wisdom now
He drove a Rimac so he is now god like status in your eyes? Wow, millennials are so easily influenced!
@@vc8160 Oooh you speak the true-truth, are you also a god? (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
That Dyno at start…..the car drifted across to the edge of the roller. Any rim damage and tire?
Fun fact: my pickup was manufactured in the same plant now occupied by Tesla
Fun fact II: the projected carbon footprint of my 20yo pickup over the expected product life cycle has already lower impact than any current Tesla product.
Fun fact III: if my pickup had Tesla like power figures, I’d probably be worm food already!!!
Great content Misha!!! Can’t wait to see Atomics battery venting and cooling mods (sexy rocker panel ducting???) !!! Will stay tuned for that!!!
My Tacoma and Model 3 AWD is also made in the same factory. NUMMI.
i bet the mode unlocks full power for a very short amount of time. the porsche taycan also uses its max power only at launch control
The two curves are different SOC of the battery more than anything else.
So the next target is to make it work half decent for the Nürburgring Langstrecken Serie (VLN sounds way better, but ...)! Maybe a 3-hour race and then develop from there. That would be a really interesting project.
So where the red line hp is higher than the blue line, why isn't torque of red line also a bit higher for same rpms? Power = Torque x RPM right? for same *wheel speed, I'd expect torque crossing at the same spot.
And we say that electric cars don't make noise :D Jesus... that sound in the dyno looks like a jet engine.
12:43 Are these all runs with the 2021 M3P? The highest one says 531,41PS 😎
Other test show the cars almost have the same result all the way. The difference You see here can also be battery temperature and soc.
On my 2021 Model 3P it says 513hp in the registration. That is numbers from Tesla.
520 odd wheel horsepower is about 550-560 at the engine/motor with less than 10% drivetrain loss. Tesla may have quoted it lower to take into account power loss from batteries warming up or being low on charge but it's definitely under rated at optimal conditions.
Most independent dyno tests done to the 2021-2023 Model 3 Performance are giving the same results average 520 HP to the wheels. Tesla advertises less to avoid issues as owners could claim they advertise more and also insurance could get higher in some cases.
So for official purposes, it has 450 HP, for us owners, we know is a 520 HP beast.
When You register an EV, usually they do not put the peak kW in the passport, they put some way lower number that is calculated as continuous power over certain period of time. So my M3 has only around 160kW in the passport instead of 360kW and insurance rates are based on the passport number.
8:21 That's not a perfectly accurate comment. Diffusor is not some vertical strakes, it is the actual floor curved upwards. The strakes just may improve the diffuser efficiency in some aspects but this totally is a diffuser.
@fann0727 Correct. I noticed that as well but it's been already mentioned on some other comments. Surprising that they did not notice this obvious misalignment in the data.
where’s the fun in that if u don’t get to hear a flame popping out
@10:25 for the dyno test
it has reverse envelop of power/torque, max on low rpm, low on high rpm, so power at max speed is 370hp or less
It could be that power delivery depends on load to a greater extent than gasoline engines, and that dyno's load is favorable for those electric motors.
Excellent that we will have more parts for Tesla with TUV soon, so I can legalize my M3 in my home country.
11:10 I've never laughed so much in ages! 🤣 🤣 🤣
Олег привет тебе из Одессы ! Планирую приехать к вам все на той же субе. Приеду обязательно тебя наберу !
13:57 Tesla never updated the horsepower numbers presumably to make the Model 3 look worse in comparison to i.e. the old long range model S. The original Model 3 had 450hp but it had 2 5% performance boosts which brings it up to 500 hp. The extra 20 hp may be from variation of the inverter and having a nice warm high charged battery as well as a newer car. I think the 2018/19 performance 3 usually had around 502-505hp dynoed after the 2 boosts.
Ey, i know that guy! Awesome dude from Atomic
The humble SlavGiant
Good video
Good comment
Interesting guys thanks!!
I love how much overlap there is between overclocking a computer and an electric car. :)
Can't wait for the collab between you guys and Jayztwocents on watercooling a Tesla :P
they are already from the factory. Ok, its actually Glycol instead of water but still...
Het benzine grapje is al gemaakt, dan moet het de goede luchtkwaliteit van de Eifel zijn waardoor de elektronen makkelijker bewegen ;-)
15:28 if Torque is higher in the older car at 100+ kph then how could Horsepower be less than the new car at those same speeds? The torque of the old car is higher throughout the entire graph. Why isn’t the horsepower higher for the old car over the new car. Those graphs don’t make sense.
Power at the wheels. There are no crank here. 😁😁
That torque really drops off at the end.
That's electric motors without gears for you. The coils and magnetic fields cannot switch rapidly enough when RPM gets high enough but unlike ICE, electric motor gets max torque with 0 rpm.
The bit about the heat pump and condensor does not seem right. It still has a condensor, it has a heat pump in addition to that, which leaches heat from the battery (and the exterior, through the battery) to heat the HVAC.
Really interesting misha 😉😉no matter what us petrol heads think about EVs there still coming and they are the future 😉😉😉😉😉😎sadly so
Wow what a huge difference from a combustion engine bottom and electric motor.
The electric engine's ability to provide 100% torque at low RPM is messing with the dyno
The non performance 2021 long range model 3 with acceleration boost is 490 odd bhp as stock, performance is more like 540 as they use the exact same motors. True story
Super interesting
I don’t know, but I am guessing that the older model three might have the same power curve as the new one due to software updates? My old rear wheel drive model three certainly seemed much more fierce when I first got it, and then it moderated over time but the punch came later on during acceleration. I believe this was due to modifications in the software via OTA updates.
Conclusion, old version has better torque on lower end, IRL that is more fun?
I wonder if the exhaust manufacturers start to develop upgrade speakers to improve the ev sound 🤣
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You really need to test the old and new Tesla back to back with the same software version. Tesla releases efficency and power tweaks OTA. It could be that the old model 3 with new software produces the same power curve as the 2021. I've noticed a moderate efficency gain in software version 2020.48.35.5. Compared to the old versions. Butt Dyno is about the same not that I can tell a 10hp difference .
Impressive
Fascinating. Looks to me like the fastest electrics of the future will have 2 speed gearboxes
Porsche already uses a electric 2 speed.
@@culdeus9559 Plaid uses one.
Probably not. Two speed gearboxes are inefficient and induce unnecessary parasitic losses. I think they'll either figure out a way to spin the motors faster on one speed while trying to maintain a flat power curve like the plaid or add more motors.
Little does everyone know Elon left a Easter egg setting in that car that can only be accessed thru a series on inputs on the controls and it unlocks "BEAST MODE"
;)
Just hit the gas, brake, ac, heat, open the glove box and some other inputs within a few seconds and your dash will light up and say BEAST MODE.
You now have 650 HP!
Super secret that only a hand full of people know about. ;) :)
All cars are received the power/efficiency updates
Heat and cold does make difference (significantly) but not altitude.
I heard that it’s only like a 3% difference assuming your ac system is turned off, the main difference comes from the extra power used for keeping the car warm and whatnot.
That's quite a lot of power for a washing machine
525hp... without wheelspin off the line. No wonder no ICEV has tried to race me off the line since I received my 2023 M3P two weeks ago :0
Yup. I have a 2019 M3P and pulled hard away from a C63s a few days ago. Polestar 2 gave it a good go but still lost also. Most don't bother like you say 😂
@@bigboibenz part of me just wants to debadge it and out SR+ aerowheels on 😅🤣😂
Would be interesting if the power difference between old and new model is in hardware or software. Maybe the old car will have the same power curve now with the latest software
Software version was the same
You would expect a more flat line being electric?
That Dyno mode is a bit like putting a Nitrous oxide system in a standard car for the test. In reality, you can't use it in any other mode
Wut? Nitrous increases power, dyno modes do not.
Great video thanks. It would be good to compare the older car with the current software. Have you ruled out that the differences might just be software related?
Both was on same software version.
@@olegalex78 Oh OK, sorry I thought the first one was done months ago.
Just a couple of days ago I watched him crush your phone with his massive bear claw hand. I thought you were going to give him a good slap which would end well for you. 😂