@@MacGuffinExMachina for me it's because the "Wesley-focused" episodes(when he's still a main cast) always tend to make all the characters idiots to show how smart Wesley is
Everybody makes fun of Wesley Crusher until shit like this comes out. He wasn’t that bad now was he? (I had a huge crush on him when I was a little girl now leave me alone)
Au contraire, I find him even worse now due to what Wil Wheaton has become. In the show TNG at least we had one episode where an adult Wesley appears and the actor who portrayed him was quite hunky.
I will eternally play devil's advocate for the crew of the Valiant. I think I'm the only one with that opinion though. Namely my argument is every action they took was absolutely, 100% consistent with the actions that any other crew - including the leads - would take. And they would have succeeded at destroying a super weapon if their scientist hadn't screwed up. I'm sure outside of characters with plot armor, that was hardly the only science officer in Star Fleet to screw up, too. Literally they were one miscalculation away from being legendary heroes like they wanted to be and I can't fault them for the attempt - I'm sure if it was the Defiant there, they'd decided it was worth the risk too.
@@BlazingOwnager I think Valliant mostly played off of the TNG episode, First Duty, in which, Nova Squad, of which Wesley Crusher is a part, attempt a Kolvoord Starburst, a forbidden maneuver after all 5 cadets died in an incident after they attempted it. Nova Squad tried to do it, and one of their squad members dies as a result of the maneuver going wrong. The squad is lead by Nicolas Locarno (Robert Duncan McNeil... yes... Tom Paris) who Picard believes wanted to do the maneuver in order to graduate as a "living legend". When the maneuver goes wrong, and Joshua Albert dies, Locarno presures the rest to cover up the fact they they attempted a forbidden maneuver, in order to avoid trouble. Valliant plays off of this episode, only with Red Squad instead, which is lead by an even more ego filled cadet who also thinks he can graduate as a living legend, maybe even skip the ranks entirely into being a captain, if he shows off how he can be a startship commander (battlefield commisssion stuff). It's an episode which furthers the idea that you can't trust ego filled kids overconfident in their own ability to do the correct thing, because they can, and they will mess up - they aren't officers who have a decade or two of being in command and can make calculated decisions, they're cadets. I do find DS9's plot armour to be a bit tedious, especially with the Defiant and the almost constant violation of the agreements linked with the use of the loaned Romulan cloaking device, but I find the idea of 1 ship going on a suicide mission to defeat a Jem'Hadar vessel the size of the Galaxy Class starship to really be the height of arrogance, and the episode does a good job of showing that no one really is invincible, even if you think you are.
And then you had the season one voyager finale where Tuvok had to retrain that ship’s younglings who we never saw again because (to paraphrase the Zack Morris is trash videos) they probably f***ing killed themselves 😂
@@vaska00762 I definitely agree with you that's what they were going for, but honestly I sympathize with the cadets. Their ship's battle record was good as any in the fleet. There's been other egotistical captains with a lot more experience (Like the Galaxy Class captain that rescued Sisko before blowing up) and it felt like the writers basically pulling a "Kids, know your place!" The big difference between what they were doing and the First Duty episode is in the First Duty episode, they were doing it JUST to show off and for the solely for the glory; there were no lives on the line, no reason to take that risk. In Valiant, however, their success would have saved potentially thousands, maybe millions of lives knocking out one of the rare Dominion super cruisers. Pretty much any ship in the fleet would have taken a shot at it if they thought they had a chance. It's an odd case of getting what they were going for with the writing, but feeling like it only played out the way it did because it was written with that agenda in mind; it didn't organically flow from the characters. All you would have had to do to make that episode far, far more gray - not better maybe, but definitely more of a debate without the writers telling you how to feel - is simply had them succeed. They were one technobabble line away from total success.
This show is as funny as this new stupid "Millennial" comedy. Ever hear of that horrible Australian "comedian" with the fanny pack and "dads google history"? It's borderline levels of that....
Even as a child I would have preferred to watch the "real" Star Trek shows. Children aren't stupid and don't need to spoken down to all the time. That new cartoon looks awful.
I know a lot of people whose love of Star Trek started with them watching it as a child. A lot of children desperately want something that treats them like they can be mature and smart, and Star Trek is a prime example of a show that has faith in it's audience's intelligence. So far from what I've seen of Lower Decks, it almost seems like the inverse. A show for adults that tries to treat them like they're children.
Why do you airquote the word "real" like that? Real Star Trek isn't a hypothetical idea, there is a concrete difference between Real Star Trek and fake trek. There's also a difference between real Trek fans and fake fans.
I honestly don’t think this is for children. It’s far too sexually mature for children. I think this is for Twitter using adults. Basically for the people who aren’t going to watch it anyway but will virtue signal over how wonderful it is because actual Star Trek fans hate it. This wasn’t actually made for an audience. This was made to shit on Star Trek fans. Just like Picard.
Star Trek is supposed to be aspirational. We're supposed to admire the characters, they're admirable and can even be heroic, but they're still human beings. nu-Trek is: "What's trending on social media and the data mine these days? Okay just throw that in. Remember to focus on whatever triggers that constant dopamine rush for the social media generation."
I was also thinking that the way the must have conceived of their target audience was by asking themselves "what makes shows like Archer, Friends, Big Bang Theory, etc. so successful and what do they have in common? I don't care what it is just blend it all together lol." and not checking if the data-mined theoretical target audience even actually exists outside of being a statistical number. Is it know that their marketing department went about it this way? I mean, I am not ruling out that this show is the vision of someone with just the worst taste in humor, but the show looks too sleek and constructed.
@@SuperGorak This show looks like someone watched few trailers for popular show then threw all that together in a blender, resulting in some mush that lacks any substance. It's really garbage.
Bing Bing Bing give the man a prize. CBS saw how much attention Final Space got and said hey we've got a property we can further destroy by imitation of a clearly superior ip
It doesn't try to be a copy, it's just the same producer (Mike McMahan). And in fact: Both are great shows, so what would actually speak against a Star Trek Rick and Morty show, if it's still funny and creative? I would just wait and judge it later on when it's aired.
@@TVperson1 I'm not quite sure why you've actually written this comment, because every body have the right to like the new series even if he or she haven't seen much of Star Trek. It just doesn't matter.
@@schar8335 I think you've missed the point of the question, the video and the channel in general. It's comparing and contrasting the rather stark differences both in front of and behind the camera of new Term and old Trek. Specifically that the new has almost nothing to do with the old in terms of concept, content or quality. TLDR: This cartoon doesn't match Star Trek at all.
@@TheBardorpI think I didn't missed the point, I just disagree. For me the new Shows are definitely not perfect but not as bad and as not-trek as you're thinking . But in fact I've never said, that anybody have to like the new stuff. The only thing I'm saying is actually very simple (and logical) : I'd never judge a show befor it's aired. And that's my advice to those who say that the new show is "disgusting", befor they know the actual show.
I'm sorry but what the hell is Star Trek Lower Decks? Who the hell is this show made for? Did they run focus groups that said they really wanted a show of Star Trek cadets that acting like modern high school students?
Maybe its because Discovery and Picard took such a hard dump on all of Star Trek that I expected tremendously worse from Lower Decks, but 2 shows in, my family and I are actually enjoying the show. Its not hilarious but we have gotten some good chuckles here and there, and it has already gotten more right about the Star Trek universe than STD or STP put together did.
Technically that is sorta starfleet, they are not a directly military organization, their main goal was originally exploration and first contact, which became less and less militaristic when it came to ships, but got more militaristic again after the Borg attack. But still, even on ships like Voyager, which was originally intended for scientific studies, there was almost no members of the crew like this, and we got to really meet essentially all the crew of Voyager due to limited numbers. Even in more comedic episodes, we never see crew actively going out of their way to damage the ship, mess with equipment, or just have a general disregard for the rest of the crew unless under the effects of something unusual.
The qualifications were rigorous to enter starfleet, officers were highly disciplined and trained. They were the best humanity and other species had to offer.
It's comedy though You aren't supposed to take it seriously How would Homer Simpson not be dead or fired given the stuff he does? Why would most of the officers in Brooklyn 99 not be fired for incompetence? Why would soldiers in MASH, Blackadder & Dad's Army not be dismissed for being stupid/incapable/drunk/lazy etc? It's comedy is why, buffoonery is funny. If they got fired immediately there'd be no story
"The blast shield and the blast shield. It comes down and it goes up, blast shield!" Brilliant writing, a very very profound and powerful message about the future of our species exploring the vastness of space like infants learning to walk with the Gods.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Lower Decks. The "Blast Shield comes down and it goes up" is actually a commentary on the Roman Empire's expansion and decline from those same polices. Fuck this show >
@@JAnx01 goofy humour of the Q worked because you always knew that it is a being of vast intelligence who for some reason decided to fuck with us a bit. So it was kind of "genius being silly" or in another way "pulling a Dumbledore" they are just dumb.
I suspect that that's the idea. Frustrate us into leading the way with a naively optimistic new vision for the West, that'll inspire a generation and kickstart the moribund economy.
If the real Picard was there this is what would have been said to each and every one of them. Picard: out! Out of the shuttle now! You...you two...all of you listen. I wa- Girl: ok boomer... Picard: ensign are you disobeying a direct order? What was that? Girl: I...you..you heard that? Picard: boomer...as in baby boomer? A 21st century slang insult? Ensign are you aware who you're talking to? Look at that shuttle...this ship...coffee cups strung around, no sense of order and you...your arrogance shows... Girl: chill it was just a joke... Picard: chill? Ensign you are on a star ship, you are on the lower decks...do you understand what that means? Or do you not know how significant your role is? Girl: yeah we're no one so w- Picard: Wrong! Ensign you are just as vital as those on the upper decks, I worked my way through the ranks and it was not easy. You all need to treat this seriously or else someone will get hurt or worse...and you...if I ever hear you talk back to me again I assure you I will have you court marshaled....understand... Girl: y-yes sir... Picard: good...now clean this place up and one more thing...do not taunt your friend for wanting to succeed...you can learn some maturity from him...
Just let Star Trek come to a permanent end, CBS. Nobody's ever gonna watch any new shows after we've been so thoroughly disappointed like this. Not even good Star Trek. We're just tired and want it all to end, permanently.
"Lower Decks" was one of the best TNG episodes. There's no reason you could not have a good series expanding on the idea. Rodenberry may have been thinking about "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet" and similar shows in dismissing the idea.
Agreed. There's a hell of a lot of old fogey "that can't be done well" on this channel about this show. "Lower Decks" is entirely dedicated to a alternate universe sort of parody of ST cannon where the young do it better than the old. That's it, it's all just a basic riff of that idea. Apart from being gated behind a paywall, it works.
Star Trek could be serving as a vision of a tomorrow worth striving for. Instead no one has any faith that there will even be a future. So they make dumb stuff that will appeal to stoners.
Wow. A lot of these high rated comments have aged quite poorly. Yes LDs is a cartoon and is more comedic than old trek, but it is far and above more true to Gene’s vision of the future than Discovery or Picard, and the writers of LD understands the meaning of Trek far and above those behind Discovery and Picard. I’ve been a fan of Trek since I was a kid and my mom and I would watch Voyager on tv. I loved that show and she bought tapes and dvds of older trek before episodes started appearing on the internet. DS9, TNG, TOS, were all great. I was disgusted when I heard what was being done with Discovery and Picard especially. Sure Trek has always been progressive like Kirk kissing Uhura. But old trek was subtle about it like with Data’s trial for personhood or DS9 having an original yet powerful story in “far beyond the stars.” And what do we get with Discovery? An unlikeable protagonist who should have been thrown out of star fleet in the first 2 episodes, and the Klingons as a whole, by the co-executive producer’s own admission, are trumped supports. Progressive trek challenges ideas NOT people. And we have Picard who went from being a proud, honorable, and well spoken yet strong soul to this shell of a man who let him and his ideals be trampled on constantly. Circling back to Lower Decks, the writers for LD understands and loves Trek far and above the aforementioned shows. These writers have watched Trek in its entirety. The crew’s chief medical officer is a Caitian version of Dr. McCoy: ornery and highly competent. In one episode they go to a TOS planet to stop the locals from worshiping the computer Landru. It’s not a rehash of the original, but a follow up akin to a “where are they now”. When the USS Titan comes to save the day, it’s done to the fanfare of the TNG theme song. This team KNOWS trek. Personally, I think all of you are taking the wrong message from the trailer. Going by the trailer by itself it looks goofy, childish, and not taking itself seriously. What my first impression was, thank god we don’t have more dystopian Trek. LD carries the hope for the future the TNG era had. Give it a real go. Not everyone will like it being animated or the art style, but both my mother and I love it.
DS9 did a great episode, Valiant, about cadets operating a star ship and why they weren’t ready for the responsibility or demands of command. It worked as a one off, but would have been horrible as a series. Lower Decks being a ‘comedy’ focussed on loads of insufferable twats sounds like my idea of hell. Time to get back to watching TOS, TNG and DS9, I guess.
But seriously, do they not have radios in DS9? The kids didn't transmit the scanner info to Starfleet. The Romulan senator didn't tell his government that Sisko made a fake recording. The ship exploring the Beta Quadrant didn't contact Starfleet or know of the Dominion War, despite a crashed escape pod on a rainy planet being in transmission range. Why does nobody use their cell phones to talk to their dudes?
@@BishopStars communication within a star system is probably close to instantaneous. But as far as I know, you can't send a wall of text or an audio recording through warp. It's probably just easier to use spacecraft to deliver messages
The Lower Decks trailer made me physically ill. The moment I heard that "captain's log", I knew it was someone pretending. Then it got worse. Also, the TNG episode "Lower Decks" was great and I hate to see its name tarnished.
Yeah, *that* is the type of show that would be worth watching. Not this weird Rick & Morty mixed with The Orville, while getting *none* of what makes either of those work down
@@Kyosukedono Every time I think of Lower Decks, one of my favorite TNG episodes, this BS is going to pop up in my head like a filth-covered jack-in-the-box due to name association. If that doesn't qualify as "tarnished" I don't know what does.
@@donwhiteley3293 that's on you then. It's like blaming your lack of gf (just an example dont take it seriously) on your parents for not naming you Chad. DO NOT LET THEM, you must think of Trek on what YOU believe Trek is, not what some out of touch writers, producers and directors WANT YOU to think what Trek is. They can try all they want but they all the are doing with each blunder is prove how remarkable TOS, TNG, DS9, etc are. That with lower budget and lesser special effects they are MILES apart.
I find it hard to believe that these characters actually made it through the academy. I'm guessing this is really just the holodeck fantasy of one of the characters after they flunked out. One of the main characters is actually a severe holo-addict like Lt. Barclay.
What stood out to me: when Ro let on that she accepted a post on Enterprise reluctantly as a plea bargain, it's super-offensive to Riker. Who buys that Mariner could be a legacy cadet? No one wants an officer who doesn't want to be there. She also blows off the warp core as just a bunch of blinking lights. Isn't that like saying the envelope of a zeppelin is just a big balloon? Kinda bad if a crewmember even jokes about how harmless it is.
I imagine a Star Trek series taking place either at Starfleet Academy or on a ship and following the newly appointed Ensigns could do really well. Worried if they can live up to Federation ideals, wondering on their place in the galaxy. Maybe it wasn't their idea to join Starfleet or maybe it was their idea but their parents thought they could do better. What if the cast was all alien and giving an inside look at the non-human focus Starfleet ships. There's so much that could be done.... Instead we get blast shields and gross out humor from highschool students we're supposed to believe graduated from a military-style academy?
to me, I can easily believe that this is happening in the cannon universe we love... yes they are not top-notch, but, if you actually see the show, they do actually show people with real ST ideals, if maybe on a more plebian level... Plus... the show does cover not only humans...
I wonder what the people who made TNG would think about her basically being an obnoxious bully. Oh, wait, forgot that it's okay because gender/race, my bad.
It certainly had it's initial problems and I thought it was going to be awful, in the same vein as Discovery and Picard's first two seasons. But the show really turned around and is now one of the closest Trek iterations to TNG/DS9/VOY.
"It's a giant rock; it doesn't have any vulnerable spots!" "Never give up, never surrender!" "Blast shiiiiiields!" Which one of these statements doesn't belong? When a satire of Trek (Galaxy Quest) is actually closer to real Trek than something with Star Trek in the name you know you've missed the mark.
Galaxy Quest, The Orville, and Final Space are all either parodies or satires of Star Trek but they all share the spirit of the franchise's original intention. To explore and analyze the concept of space with compelling characters. Lower Decks just looks like copied trash.
I'm just getting flash backs of DS9 with the cadets who have their own Defiant class starship and the Captain is a drug addict, and all them try to pull off the mature in control adult but end up all dying because they did not think things through. And now I see this....yikes. I generally thought this was an out of season April fools joke.
Mike McMahan: I am a huge Star Trek fan and I want this series to be authentic and true to Star Trek. Also Mike McMahan: Lets put a blast shield on a shuttle to make a joke about it. Fans: Why do shuttles need Blast Shields? Mike Mcahan: Jesus these people hate our show because we use characters of color. Get with the times Star Trek has always been progressive!
oddly enough, LD is the only one of the new shows I enjoyed. This is largely to do with it being a comedy/parody rather than the next iteration of Trek as Disco and Picard were supposed to be. And because it is a parody, it references trek more than Disco or Picard ever do. Riker coming to the rescue at the end of s1 was so much more gratifying than the ending of Picard. I almost didn't watch LD, the trailer certainly made it look stupid and after Disco and Picard I didn't expect it to be enjoyable at all. It ended up being less "rick and morty" that I thought it would and had a lot more of the trek optimism that Disco and Picard are missing.
I feel pretty much exactly the same way. In Lower Decks they're making fun of Star Trek. In Discovery and Picard they're pretty much saying "we hate Star Trek. Look how woke we can make our show while we try to force a message down your throat."
@Allen Davis amen brother, I'm not a fan of Seth's work (maybe older family guy) but by god he nailed it with the Orville. It feels like star trek Yeah there's humor and the crew aren't like uber sophisticated but at least they understand a time for fun and a time for work. When a show meant to be a parody turns homage does better you know you messed up...then again alumni from past seasons moved onto it so....yeah.
"That's a blast shield, it's a blast shield, and it comes down and it goes up, blast shield!" Oh my God, that's just soooooo hilarious, where do they come up with material this good? :/
Star Trek Lower Decks looks like if they took everything good about Final Space, then ruined it with everything bad about Rick and Morty, then got Seth McFarland to direct it
The concept’s not the same at all. Roddenberry was talking about the idea of little kids on the Enterprise. That’s what he was against. Not ensigns. Those SHOULD be on the ship.
Love all the comments saying "Lower Decks is tryna be Rick and Morty". R&M is just as guilty for stepping in on the Family Guy BS, which followed Simpsons, its just a chain of gradually less and less funny shows.
Just when you thought star trek couldn't get worse. New MacGyver is boring and tried to get away with it's blandness by having an overarching storyline about climate change. Doctor Who keeps on making annoyingly shallow political episodes. Star Wars basically tried to redo the original trilogy to make some $$$. But all of this pails in comparison to the butchering of star trek by cbs. It's utterly demolished. No hope left.
The STAR TREK universe seems like a playground for those idiot show creator messing around. First Kelvin time line, then Discovery, and Picard, now this lower decks thing. I really miss the classic shows!!!!
I've seen a lot of people compare it to Rick & Morty, which is very fair, but there's also a hint of wanting to be The Orville as well, since that's apparently doing better Trek these days.
What a disaster. CBS call me. There should be a junior cadet mentorship program, focusing on leadership and starship basics. This could've been amazing. Now it's a dumpster fire. Call me, CBS.
I'm just going to point out, however annoying you might find the characters in Lower Decks, they DO grow beyond what you see in the first season, and while it paints a less than uplifting picture of what the rest of the Federation looks like compared to the Enterprise/DS9/Voyager crews, it honestly comes across far more true to the SPIRIT of those big 3 than Discovery or Picard are doing now.
I got it! These are provisional ensigns still technically only cadets who went to a satellite academy somewhere other than Earth that has lower standards and they nearly flunked out so got sent to minor positions on the best ship in the fleet to try to shape them up.
Trek is done. Don't look for it to change, it won't. They are pissing on anything virtuous, intelligent, questioning, moral, inclusive, thought provoking, wholesome, friendly, fun, team building, aspirational, wonderment. Soon as I heard Joe Menosky left the show, writer of "Darmok" I knew it was going to be a shallow sh*t show. Pike's show isn't going to be any different, which is a shame as I like that actor. I would posit that half of the scripts in the old slush pile that Berman and staff rejected have far more true start trek messages qualities and real adventures than the crap CBS have produced. I have heard about Picard and I WILL NEVER watch it or I might never watch TNG ever again. Would love to hear what Berman think of this garbage factory.
Lower Decks creators: "You know those Star Trek episodes about kids screwing up and almost getting killed in terrible space accidents?" Me: "Oh yeah. I hate moments like that. Just makes me wanna smack a kid right in the face for not appreciating the value of discipline, integrity, and life" Lower Decks creators: "We've got a whole show dedicated to moments like that." Me:
I think that the time has come that Star Trek should be written under the input and supervision of past and present Naval officers and enlistees from now on.
The whole point of Star Trek is to have a version of humanity that’s advanced, sophisticated, mature, and highly capable travel the universe and help other planets. Lower Decks just wants to ridicule all of that. What the hell were they thinking?🤦♂️
Sad thing is, I still think the second season of Lower Decks is the closest we're going to get to classic Trek any time soon. Which is doubly insulting to Discovery and Picard. And to ourselves I suppose.
There is a podcast on sound cloud called "The Ensign's Log" that's been doing a lower decks type story on the Enterprise during TOS with a couple of 40 YO+ ensigns, pretty funny
@@MechaShadowV2 I think he meant both franchises have a certain slide of disadvantage. Maybe he said 40K losing its audiences and Star Trek is kinda....very dead.
Don't get me wrong, I like energetic women. But "Oh, for crying out loud!" - Jack O'Neil, comedy relieve the good way. Also switching the lights on and off on a highly advanced Asgard spaceship while being neuroly interfaced with its computer: "O'Neil!" - Thor
I think its odd that Lower Decks gets so much hate. Its a comedy guys. It isn't meant to be taken seriously. It isn't preachy like traditional trek or filled with Gene's sense of ethics shoved down your throat like the older series but its still entertaining in small doses. Now the hate for Discovery and Picard I get, but Lower Decks? I think yall need to ease off a bit. Some folks take this stuff way too seriously.
The ENSIGNS on Star Trek: Lower Decks went through the academy and were assigned to a starship. Maybe INSTEAD of Lower Decks, you should have said Star Trek:Prodigy...
*Discovery:* Well we haven't had a show in a while, but hey maybe it'll be good to have a new Star Trek series. *Picard:* Ok, Discovery sucked, but Picard's gotta be good right? I mean it's Picard, he's like the best most iconic character from the entire franchise! *Lower Decks:* Just fuck off.
I do enjoy that Lower Decks has some scenes where these Ensings legitimately admire Starfleet. That even though they skirt around protocol and goof off, Starfleet means something to them and they’re not incapable of taking their jobs seriously. But some of the jokes do remind me of Data trying to imitate Jerry Lewis.
What the hell was that? Is that an actual Trek cartoon or some parody? If the former, then it clearly shows how Hollywood's understanding of Trek is based on its understanding pop culture memes about Trek, not Trek itself.
Ngl lower decks is a great show canon or not it takes great care in being faithful to the lore and while it may not be believable i think its done a great job at using star trek tropes to create humupr
Sad thing is this could have been good. Somewhat goofy character doing a "the office" in space but still in the Star Trek spirit of exploration and adventure. There could be a episode where the crew keeps a tribble as a pet and now they have to clean up the mess before the officers become aware, a "meet the new guy" episode about a new ensign whose species smell faintly but distinctly of caramellized onions. Stuff like that.
Come on… Lower Decks does not want to be anything else but comedy. IMHO it actually pays a lot of tribute to the original shows and it is in no way disrespectful. Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of new Trek but if you think that Roddenberry Trek was the best than please think about the first two TNG seasons. Please, we don’t need to argue about that train wreck that Discovery is but don’t discredit something just for the sake of it.
Lower Decks is actually quite enjoyable. Some of the jokes don't land (like the one referenced in this clip) but it felt more like Star Trek than anything released in the past decade with the exception of The Orville.
Wesley would tell these kids to shut up
I'd take a show about annoying Mary Sue Crushers over this.
I actually kinda like Wesley. Maybe it's because so many told me he was bad. Why did people hate him again?
@@MacGuffinExMachina for me it's because the "Wesley-focused" episodes(when he's still a main cast) always tend to make all the characters idiots to show how smart Wesley is
Everybody makes fun of Wesley Crusher until shit like this comes out. He wasn’t that bad now was he? (I had a huge crush on him when I was a little girl now leave me alone)
Au contraire, I find him even worse now due to what Wil Wheaton has become. In the show TNG at least we had one episode where an adult Wesley appears and the actor who portrayed him was quite hunky.
You know, Star Trek already had an episode about annoying/unprofessional ensigns.
It was called "Valiant" and it didn't end well for them.
They were cadets though.
I will eternally play devil's advocate for the crew of the Valiant. I think I'm the only one with that opinion though. Namely my argument is every action they took was absolutely, 100% consistent with the actions that any other crew - including the leads - would take. And they would have succeeded at destroying a super weapon if their scientist hadn't screwed up. I'm sure outside of characters with plot armor, that was hardly the only science officer in Star Fleet to screw up, too. Literally they were one miscalculation away from being legendary heroes like they wanted to be and I can't fault them for the attempt - I'm sure if it was the Defiant there, they'd decided it was worth the risk too.
@@BlazingOwnager I think Valliant mostly played off of the TNG episode, First Duty, in which, Nova Squad, of which Wesley Crusher is a part, attempt a Kolvoord Starburst, a forbidden maneuver after all 5 cadets died in an incident after they attempted it. Nova Squad tried to do it, and one of their squad members dies as a result of the maneuver going wrong.
The squad is lead by Nicolas Locarno (Robert Duncan McNeil... yes... Tom Paris) who Picard believes wanted to do the maneuver in order to graduate as a "living legend". When the maneuver goes wrong, and Joshua Albert dies, Locarno presures the rest to cover up the fact they they attempted a forbidden maneuver, in order to avoid trouble.
Valliant plays off of this episode, only with Red Squad instead, which is lead by an even more ego filled cadet who also thinks he can graduate as a living legend, maybe even skip the ranks entirely into being a captain, if he shows off how he can be a startship commander (battlefield commisssion stuff). It's an episode which furthers the idea that you can't trust ego filled kids overconfident in their own ability to do the correct thing, because they can, and they will mess up - they aren't officers who have a decade or two of being in command and can make calculated decisions, they're cadets.
I do find DS9's plot armour to be a bit tedious, especially with the Defiant and the almost constant violation of the agreements linked with the use of the loaned Romulan cloaking device, but I find the idea of 1 ship going on a suicide mission to defeat a Jem'Hadar vessel the size of the Galaxy Class starship to really be the height of arrogance, and the episode does a good job of showing that no one really is invincible, even if you think you are.
And then you had the season one voyager finale where Tuvok had to retrain that ship’s younglings who we never saw again because (to paraphrase the Zack Morris is trash videos) they probably f***ing killed themselves 😂
@@vaska00762 I definitely agree with you that's what they were going for, but honestly I sympathize with the cadets. Their ship's battle record was good as any in the fleet. There's been other egotistical captains with a lot more experience (Like the Galaxy Class captain that rescued Sisko before blowing up) and it felt like the writers basically pulling a "Kids, know your place!"
The big difference between what they were doing and the First Duty episode is in the First Duty episode, they were doing it JUST to show off and for the solely for the glory; there were no lives on the line, no reason to take that risk. In Valiant, however, their success would have saved potentially thousands, maybe millions of lives knocking out one of the rare Dominion super cruisers. Pretty much any ship in the fleet would have taken a shot at it if they thought they had a chance.
It's an odd case of getting what they were going for with the writing, but feeling like it only played out the way it did because it was written with that agenda in mind; it didn't organically flow from the characters. All you would have had to do to make that episode far, far more gray - not better maybe, but definitely more of a debate without the writers telling you how to feel - is simply had them succeed. They were one technobabble line away from total success.
(Picard voice) YOU HAVE COMMITTED AN ACT OF UTTER BARBARITY!
"Well done"
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A reprimand will appear on your record.
Sheer fucking hubris
''I can think of nothing that can justify what you have done''
"Blast shieeeeeelds!"
Being an annoying idiot is truly the height of comedy. Well done, writers.
Why would a shuttle even need a "blast shield" that only covers the windows... windows that are transparent aluminum?
This show is as funny as this new stupid "Millennial" comedy. Ever hear of that horrible Australian "comedian" with the fanny pack and "dads google history"? It's borderline levels of that....
Your comment proves that most of star trek fans are nerds
@@john5189 Star Trek used to have consultants from NASA, it was always for nerds.
@@john5189 Yes
Even as a child I would have preferred to watch the "real" Star Trek shows. Children aren't stupid and don't need to spoken down to all the time. That new cartoon looks awful.
I know a lot of people whose love of Star Trek started with them watching it as a child. A lot of children desperately want something that treats them like they can be mature and smart, and Star Trek is a prime example of a show that has faith in it's audience's intelligence. So far from what I've seen of Lower Decks, it almost seems like the inverse. A show for adults that tries to treat them like they're children.
To be fair, it's on par with all new cartoons. You have to go to japan to get a cartoon that doesn't treat kids like retards.
Why do you airquote the word "real" like that? Real Star Trek isn't a hypothetical idea, there is a concrete difference between Real Star Trek and fake trek. There's also a difference between real Trek fans and fake fans.
Yeah, "real" Star Trek shows are the new shitty ones like Discovery and Picard.
I honestly don’t think this is for children. It’s far too sexually mature for children. I think this is for Twitter using adults. Basically for the people who aren’t going to watch it anyway but will virtue signal over how wonderful it is because actual Star Trek fans hate it. This wasn’t actually made for an audience. This was made to shit on Star Trek fans. Just like Picard.
Star Trek is supposed to be aspirational. We're supposed to admire the characters, they're admirable and can even be heroic, but they're still human beings. nu-Trek is: "What's trending on social media and the data mine these days? Okay just throw that in. Remember to focus on whatever triggers that constant dopamine rush for the social media generation."
very true indeed.
I was also thinking that the way the must have conceived of their target audience was by asking themselves "what makes shows like Archer, Friends, Big Bang Theory, etc. so successful and what do they have in common? I don't care what it is just blend it all together lol." and not checking if the data-mined theoretical target audience even actually exists outside of being a statistical number. Is it know that their marketing department went about it this way? I mean, I am not ruling out that this show is the vision of someone with just the worst taste in humor, but the show looks too sleek and constructed.
@@SuperGorak This show looks like someone watched few trailers for popular show then threw all that together in a blender, resulting in some mush that lacks any substance. It's really garbage.
I didn't know about this until now but it looks suprisingly similar to Final Space
Bing Bing Bing give the man a prize. CBS saw how much attention Final Space got and said hey we've got a property we can further destroy by imitation of a clearly superior ip
Okay THANK you when this first came out people said this was like Rick and Morty but all I saw was Final Space and I thought I was going insane
@@MostlyPonies1 Season 1 of Final space premiered in Feb 2018, season 1-2 of Lower Decks weren't ordered until October 2018.
I THOUGHT IT LOOKED FAMILIAR
They all do. Theres maybe 1 to 1.3 different styles of this adult humour cartoon.
It's trying so hard to copy Rick and Morty...disgusting
It doesn't try to be a copy, it's just the same producer (Mike McMahan). And in fact: Both are great shows, so what would actually speak against a Star Trek Rick and Morty show, if it's still funny and creative? I would just wait and judge it later on when it's aired.
@@schar8335 Did you actually watch Next Generation or did you see one Star Trek movie and say "wouldn't it be funny if...."🙄
@@TVperson1 I'm not quite sure why you've actually written this comment, because every body have the right to like the new series even if he or she haven't seen much of Star Trek. It just doesn't matter.
@@schar8335 I think you've missed the point of the question, the video and the channel in general. It's comparing and contrasting the rather stark differences both in front of and behind the camera of new Term and old Trek. Specifically that the new has almost nothing to do with the old in terms of concept, content or quality.
TLDR: This cartoon doesn't match Star Trek at all.
@@TheBardorpI think I didn't missed the point, I just disagree. For me the new Shows are definitely not perfect but not as bad and as not-trek as you're thinking .
But in fact I've never said, that anybody have to like the new stuff.
The only thing I'm saying is actually very simple (and logical) : I'd never judge a show befor it's aired.
And that's my advice to those who say that the new show is "disgusting", befor they know the actual show.
I'm sorry but what the hell is Star Trek Lower Decks? Who the hell is this show made for? Did they run focus groups that said they really wanted a show of Star Trek cadets that acting like modern high school students?
They made it for themselves. Its an animated circlejerk.
Middle school.
It's another show made for the access media.
The ST:TNG episode Lower Decks and the ST:V episode Good Shepherd did this a lot better than this stupid animation series will even bother to try.
Well if Pickle Rick won an Emmy... These will be remembered as the stupid years.
GENE RODDENBERRY: Cadets running a starship???
SPOCK: If I were human, I believe my response would be ... 0:19
I thought they evolved past colorful metaphors
@@ratbat1072 it is definitely time for alot of colorful metaphors.
IF you were human. 😂
It is an act of utter barbarity.
Maybe its because Discovery and Picard took such a hard dump on all of Star Trek that I expected tremendously worse from Lower Decks, but 2 shows in, my family and I are actually enjoying the show. Its not hilarious but we have gotten some good chuckles here and there, and it has already gotten more right about the Star Trek universe than STD or STP put together did.
Even in a non-military science organization I doubt that cadets behaving like that would last long at all.
Technically that is sorta starfleet, they are not a directly military organization, their main goal was originally exploration and first contact, which became less and less militaristic when it came to ships, but got more militaristic again after the Borg attack. But still, even on ships like Voyager, which was originally intended for scientific studies, there was almost no members of the crew like this, and we got to really meet essentially all the crew of Voyager due to limited numbers.
Even in more comedic episodes, we never see crew actively going out of their way to damage the ship, mess with equipment, or just have a general disregard for the rest of the crew unless under the effects of something unusual.
The qualifications were rigorous to enter starfleet, officers were highly disciplined and trained. They were the best humanity and other species had to offer.
It's comedy though
You aren't supposed to take it seriously
How would Homer Simpson not be dead or fired given the stuff he does?
Why would most of the officers in Brooklyn 99 not be fired for incompetence?
Why would soldiers in MASH, Blackadder & Dad's Army not be dismissed for being stupid/incapable/drunk/lazy etc?
It's comedy is why, buffoonery is funny.
If they got fired immediately there'd be no story
@@ChildOfTheWilderness didn't ask
@@misterawesomeman1 cool, I wasn't talking to you
"The blast shield and the blast shield. It comes down and it goes up, blast shield!" Brilliant writing, a very very profound and powerful message about the future of our species exploring the vastness of space like infants learning to walk with the Gods.
You got the "infants" part right
I like the goofy humour of the Q, but this completely misses the mark.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Lower Decks. The "Blast Shield comes down and it goes up" is actually a commentary on the Roman Empire's expansion and decline from those same polices.
Fuck this show >
@@JAnx01 goofy humour of the Q worked because you always knew that it is a being of vast intelligence who for some reason decided to fuck with us a bit. So it was kind of "genius being silly" or in another way "pulling a Dumbledore"
they are just dumb.
It’s not supposed to be that
It is seriously insulting that they dare to use the Star Trek name to create this.
I suspect that that's the idea. Frustrate us into leading the way with a naively optimistic new vision for the West, that'll inspire a generation and kickstart the moribund economy.
Gene's son Rod Roddenberry signed off on this he wanted more and Animation in star trek.
just like new star wars, this is just beating the dead horse.
That music as Gene is talking really gave me the feels.
If the real Picard was there this is what would have been said to each and every one of them.
Picard: out! Out of the shuttle now! You...you two...all of you listen. I wa-
Girl: ok boomer...
Picard: ensign are you disobeying a direct order? What was that?
Girl: I...you..you heard that?
Picard: boomer...as in baby boomer? A 21st century slang insult? Ensign are you aware who you're talking to? Look at that shuttle...this ship...coffee cups strung around, no sense of order and you...your arrogance shows...
Girl: chill it was just a joke...
Picard: chill? Ensign you are on a star ship, you are on the lower decks...do you understand what that means? Or do you not know how significant your role is?
Girl: yeah we're no one so w-
Picard: Wrong! Ensign you are just as vital as those on the upper decks, I worked my way through the ranks and it was not easy. You all need to treat this seriously or else someone will get hurt or worse...and you...if I ever hear you talk back to me again I assure you I will have you court marshaled....understand...
Girl: y-yes sir...
Picard: good...now clean this place up and one more thing...do not taunt your friend for wanting to succeed...you can learn some maturity from him...
Just let Star Trek come to a permanent end, CBS. Nobody's ever gonna watch any new shows after we've been so thoroughly disappointed like this. Not even good Star Trek.
We're just tired and want it all to end, permanently.
"Lower Decks" was one of the best TNG episodes. There's no reason you could not have a good series expanding on the idea. Rodenberry may have been thinking about "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet" and similar shows in dismissing the idea.
Agreed. There's a hell of a lot of old fogey "that can't be done well" on this channel about this show. "Lower Decks" is entirely dedicated to a alternate universe sort of parody of ST cannon where the young do it better than the old. That's it, it's all just a basic riff of that idea. Apart from being gated behind a paywall, it works.
Voyager also did a good job with the concept in Good Shepard
It's funny going back to this video now that Season 2 finished and Lower Decks is about five hundred times better than Discovery or Picard.
Star Trek could be serving as a vision of a tomorrow worth striving for. Instead no one has any faith that there will even be a future. So they make dumb stuff that will appeal to stoners.
Im a stoner and I wanna say this still looks shite, not for me. I think you mean't to say hipsters and casuals
The 60s were aspirational. Now we're entering a nihilistic culture.
AND upset visionary people like yourself, in hope that you'll foolishly seize the poisoned chalice.
@@JustJohn43 I honestly don't know who it's supposed to be appealing to - you're probably right.
@@beingsshepherd That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me on youtube.
Like rats standing on the shoulders of giants.
Like pigeons on the shoulders of statues.
oy vey
Stop it guys. You're giving rats and pigeons bad names.
Good lord.. intellect is a thing of the past then?
Like the good Lord himself.
This is a vacuous nihilistic epoch; the Occient's twilight.
Wow. A lot of these high rated comments have aged quite poorly. Yes LDs is a cartoon and is more comedic than old trek, but it is far and above more true to Gene’s vision of the future than Discovery or Picard, and the writers of LD understands the meaning of Trek far and above those behind Discovery and Picard.
I’ve been a fan of Trek since I was a kid and my mom and I would watch Voyager on tv. I loved that show and she bought tapes and dvds of older trek before episodes started appearing on the internet.
DS9, TNG, TOS, were all great.
I was disgusted when I heard what was being done with Discovery and Picard especially. Sure Trek has always been progressive like Kirk kissing Uhura. But old trek was subtle about it like with Data’s trial for personhood or DS9 having an original yet powerful story in “far beyond the stars.”
And what do we get with Discovery? An unlikeable protagonist who should have been thrown out of star fleet in the first 2 episodes, and the Klingons as a whole, by the co-executive producer’s own admission, are trumped supports. Progressive trek challenges ideas NOT people.
And we have Picard who went from being a proud, honorable, and well spoken yet strong soul to this shell of a man who let him and his ideals be trampled on constantly.
Circling back to Lower Decks, the writers for LD understands and loves Trek far and above the aforementioned shows. These writers have watched Trek in its entirety. The crew’s chief medical officer is a Caitian version of Dr. McCoy: ornery and highly competent. In one episode they go to a TOS planet to stop the locals from worshiping the computer Landru. It’s not a rehash of the original, but a follow up akin to a “where are they now”. When the USS Titan comes to save the day, it’s done to the fanfare of the TNG theme song. This team KNOWS trek.
Personally, I think all of you are taking the wrong message from the trailer. Going by the trailer by itself it looks goofy, childish, and not taking itself seriously. What my first impression was, thank god we don’t have more dystopian Trek. LD carries the hope for the future the TNG era had. Give it a real go. Not everyone will like it being animated or the art style, but both my mother and I love it.
DS9 did a great episode, Valiant, about cadets operating a star ship and why they weren’t ready for the responsibility or demands of command. It worked as a one off, but would have been horrible as a series. Lower Decks being a ‘comedy’ focussed on loads of insufferable twats sounds like my idea of hell. Time to get back to watching TOS, TNG and DS9, I guess.
But seriously, do they not have radios in DS9? The kids didn't transmit the scanner info to Starfleet. The Romulan senator didn't tell his government that Sisko made a fake recording. The ship exploring the Beta Quadrant didn't contact Starfleet or know of the Dominion War, despite a crashed escape pod on a rainy planet being in transmission range. Why does nobody use their cell phones to talk to their dudes?
@@BishopStars communication within a star system is probably close to instantaneous. But as far as I know, you can't send a wall of text or an audio recording through warp. It's probably just easier to use spacecraft to deliver messages
If I want to watch a funnier, more laid back TNG, I’ll watch the Orvillle
The Lower Decks trailer made me physically ill. The moment I heard that "captain's log", I knew it was someone pretending. Then it got worse.
Also, the TNG episode "Lower Decks" was great and I hate to see its name tarnished.
Yeah, *that* is the type of show that would be worth watching. Not this weird Rick & Morty mixed with The Orville, while getting *none* of what makes either of those work down
NOTHING has been tarnished. TNG will still be one of the best, NOTHING they can do can destroy trek.
@@Kyosukedono Every time I think of Lower Decks, one of my favorite TNG episodes, this BS is going to pop up in my head like a filth-covered jack-in-the-box due to name association. If that doesn't qualify as "tarnished" I don't know what does.
@@donwhiteley3293 that's on you then. It's like blaming your lack of gf (just an example dont take it seriously) on your parents for not naming you Chad.
DO NOT LET THEM, you must think of Trek on what YOU believe Trek is, not what some out of touch writers, producers and directors WANT YOU to think what Trek is.
They can try all they want but they all the are doing with each blunder is prove how remarkable TOS, TNG, DS9, etc are. That with lower budget and lesser special effects they are MILES apart.
If you aren't up to it then you don't deserve to be here. Isn't that right?
So you better take a hold of yourself, or be prepared for transfer.
This video is on point Grin! I think Star Trek is saying, "well we can't satisfy the adult fan base, but let's go after the kids".
Kids: We only love one type of molten hot garbage and that's Teen Titans Go. We like the colors and de yelling.
Going after an already saturated market? Flawless plan.
"let's go after the kids"
pizzagate?
Please tell me that this Lower Decks thing is just an out of season April fools joke, This can't be real.
It sadly is.
Real, I mean, not an April fools joke. I wish it were an April fools joke.
We're in 2020, which means, it is real.
No, I hear that President Kanye's a fan.
"Do YoU gUyS nOt HaVe CbS aLl AcCeSs?!"
The black female ensign is going on my nerves like no one has gone on my nerves before.
I think she's strong and brave and will be the BESTEST EVAR!!!!
@@danmanx2 Stunning.
I'm surprised they didn't make her fat.
@@JAnx01 It's like that show of "reviewers" who are extremely homely but make their cartoon avatars look attractive.
She is a ripoff of Miko from Glitch Techs.
I find it hard to believe that these characters actually made it through the academy. I'm guessing this is really just the holodeck fantasy of one of the characters after they flunked out. One of the main characters is actually a severe holo-addict like Lt. Barclay.
What stood out to me: when Ro let on that she accepted a post on Enterprise reluctantly as a plea bargain, it's super-offensive to Riker. Who buys that Mariner could be a legacy cadet? No one wants an officer who doesn't want to be there.
She also blows off the warp core as just a bunch of blinking lights. Isn't that like saying the envelope of a zeppelin is just a big balloon? Kinda bad if a crewmember even jokes about how harmless it is.
I imagine a Star Trek series taking place either at Starfleet Academy or on a ship and following the newly appointed Ensigns could do really well.
Worried if they can live up to Federation ideals, wondering on their place in the galaxy. Maybe it wasn't their idea to join Starfleet or maybe it was their idea but their parents thought they could do better. What if the cast was all alien and giving an inside look at the non-human focus Starfleet ships. There's so much that could be done....
Instead we get blast shields and gross out humor from highschool students we're supposed to believe graduated from a military-style academy?
to me, I can easily believe that this is happening in the cannon universe we love...
yes they are not top-notch, but, if you actually see the show, they do actually show people with real ST ideals, if maybe on a more plebian level...
Plus... the show does cover not only humans...
Correct
*"Lower Decks"? More like "Lower Expectations."*
*Sigh. I miss when Star Trek was worth a damn.*
Blast Shields are from Star Wars, they don't even know what universe they're in.
I wonder what the people who made TNG would think about her basically being an obnoxious bully. Oh, wait, forgot that it's okay because gender/race, my bad.
It certainly had it's initial problems and I thought it was going to be awful, in the same vein as Discovery and Picard's first two seasons. But the show really turned around and is now one of the closest Trek iterations to TNG/DS9/VOY.
Thank you. The first 2 episodes were pretty bad. But after that it just got better and better.
"It's a giant rock; it doesn't have any vulnerable spots!"
"Never give up, never surrender!"
"Blast shiiiiiields!"
Which one of these statements doesn't belong? When a satire of Trek (Galaxy Quest) is actually closer to real Trek than something with Star Trek in the name you know you've missed the mark.
Galaxy Quest, The Orville, and Final Space are all either parodies or satires of Star Trek but they all share the spirit of the franchise's original intention. To explore and analyze the concept of space with compelling characters. Lower Decks just looks like copied trash.
I'm just getting flash backs of DS9 with the cadets who have their own Defiant class starship and the Captain is a drug addict, and all them try to pull off the mature in control adult but end up all dying because they did not think things through.
And now I see this....yikes. I generally thought this was an out of season April fools joke.
Mike McMahan: I am a huge Star Trek fan and I want this series to be authentic and true to Star Trek.
Also Mike McMahan: Lets put a blast shield on a shuttle to make a joke about it.
Fans: Why do shuttles need Blast Shields?
Mike Mcahan: Jesus these people hate our show because we use characters of color. Get with the times Star Trek has always been progressive!
They had a friggin Russian character during the cold war.
*no comment* says CBS and like/dislike number and even ratio we've disabled....lol
Not to mention this will only air in America on CBS all access due to them burning Netflix and Amazon on 2 seasons of Disco and 1 season of Picard.
oddly enough, LD is the only one of the new shows I enjoyed. This is largely to do with it being a comedy/parody rather than the next iteration of Trek as Disco and Picard were supposed to be. And because it is a parody, it references trek more than Disco or Picard ever do. Riker coming to the rescue at the end of s1 was so much more gratifying than the ending of Picard. I almost didn't watch LD, the trailer certainly made it look stupid and after Disco and Picard I didn't expect it to be enjoyable at all. It ended up being less "rick and morty" that I thought it would and had a lot more of the trek optimism that Disco and Picard are missing.
I feel pretty much exactly the same way. In Lower Decks they're making fun of Star Trek. In Discovery and Picard they're pretty much saying "we hate Star Trek. Look how woke we can make our show while we try to force a message down your throat."
They want to copy Orville, but instead they (STLD) turned the comedy to turd.
@Allen Davis amen brother, I'm not a fan of Seth's work (maybe older family guy) but by god he nailed it with the Orville. It feels like star trek
Yeah there's humor and the crew aren't like uber sophisticated but at least they understand a time for fun and a time for work.
When a show meant to be a parody turns homage does better you know you messed up...then again alumni from past seasons moved onto it so....yeah.
Imagine CBS is seeing all this criticism, and is like: ladies and gents, we have a problem!
You've got to hand it to Kurtzman: he has managed to make "Threshold" look good in comparison.
The 90's Trek has good, mediocre and excellent episodes. The Kurtzman Trek knows no such variety.
"Spock's Brain" is Shakespeare compared to this.
Threshold wasnt bad, if you ignore the salamander ending LOL
"That's a blast shield, it's a blast shield, and it comes down and it goes up, blast shield!" Oh my God, that's just soooooo hilarious, where do they come up with material this good? :/
they're just having a blast with the ideas.
Gene is rotating so fast in his grave, he's become a pulsar
Star Trek Lower Decks looks like if they took everything good about Final Space, then ruined it with everything bad about Rick and Morty, then got Seth McFarland to direct it
This made me sad. No I need to re-watch the old shows again :(
At this point, not even that will save us. Star Trek is dead. It's time we move on as a fanbase because there's no hope in reviving it.
Star Trek The Next Generation did an episode focusing on 'The Lower Decks', and it's worlds better than this!
Just copying the awesome success of Teen Titans Go! and Thundercats Roar! It's a saying in Hollywood "If it worked once, it'll work again"
I feel like Shatner could somehow end up playing the family guy mayor west role in this show
The concept’s not the same at all. Roddenberry was talking about the idea of little kids on the Enterprise. That’s what he was against.
Not ensigns. Those SHOULD be on the ship.
Final Space actually tried to do its own thing, this looks like the kid getting drunk for the firs time and trying to impress R&M and FS
there is no grave deep enough
Imagine dying in the utopian scifi future because you broke the sterile cockpit rule.
{insert “Somebody kill me please” clip from the wedding Singer here}
That's what Q saw right before calling Picard to tell him humanity failed the trial and would be erased.
Love all the comments saying "Lower Decks is tryna be Rick and Morty". R&M is just as guilty for stepping in on the Family Guy BS, which followed Simpsons, its just a chain of gradually less and less funny shows.
You're not fooling the Rick and Morty fanbase CBS.
Just when you thought star trek couldn't get worse.
New MacGyver is boring and tried to get away with it's blandness by having an overarching storyline about climate change.
Doctor Who keeps on making annoyingly shallow political episodes.
Star Wars basically tried to redo the original trilogy to make some $$$.
But all of this pails in comparison to the butchering of star trek by cbs. It's utterly demolished. No hope left.
The STAR TREK universe seems like a playground for those idiot show creator messing around.
First Kelvin time line, then Discovery, and Picard, now this lower decks thing.
I really miss the classic shows!!!!
Actually Kelvin is kinda OK considering they aren't crazy as DIS PIC LD.
I've seen a lot of people compare it to Rick & Morty, which is very fair, but there's also a hint of wanting to be The Orville as well, since that's apparently doing better Trek these days.
Some final space as well
Can't wait for "Lower Drecks" to get shredded by reviews
What a disaster. CBS call me. There should be a junior cadet mentorship program, focusing on leadership and starship basics. This could've been amazing. Now it's a dumpster fire. Call me, CBS.
Can’t we just ignore it like we do with all new Trek. As if it doesn’t exist.
I mean you can but you will have the ten's of Nu-Trek fans calling you a sexist and racist for not liking it.
I'm just going to point out, however annoying you might find the characters in Lower Decks, they DO grow beyond what you see in the first season, and while it paints a less than uplifting picture of what the rest of the Federation looks like compared to the Enterprise/DS9/Voyager crews, it honestly comes across far more true to the SPIRIT of those big 3 than Discovery or Picard are doing now.
Turns out Lower Decks is the closest show to Gene Roddenberrys Star Trek, that has come out in the last 10 years and claims to be star trek.
Prodigy.
I still can't get over how aggressively unfunny that "blast shield" bit is
I got it! These are provisional ensigns still technically only cadets who went to a satellite academy somewhere other than Earth that has lower standards and they nearly flunked out so got sent to minor positions on the best ship in the fleet to try to shape them up.
Setting my phasers to: done
Trek is done. Don't look for it to change, it won't. They are pissing on anything virtuous, intelligent, questioning, moral, inclusive, thought provoking, wholesome, friendly, fun, team building, aspirational, wonderment. Soon as I heard Joe Menosky left the show, writer of "Darmok" I knew it was going to be a shallow sh*t show. Pike's show isn't going to be any different, which is a shame as I like that actor.
I would posit that half of the scripts in the old slush pile that Berman and staff rejected have far more true start trek messages qualities and real adventures than the crap CBS have produced. I have heard about Picard and I WILL NEVER watch it or I might never watch TNG ever again. Would love to hear what Berman think of this garbage factory.
Roddenberry put so much heart and soul into his work
But they aren’t cadets. They’re ensigns. And they stayed way more closer to Star Trek than some of these newer shows.
"Lower Decks" - SpongeBob and Fairly Oddparents take over Starfleet
Lower Decks creators: "You know those Star Trek episodes about kids screwing up and almost getting killed in terrible space accidents?"
Me: "Oh yeah. I hate moments like that. Just makes me wanna smack a kid right in the face for not appreciating the value of discipline, integrity, and life"
Lower Decks creators: "We've got a whole show dedicated to moments like that."
Me:
I think that the time has come that Star Trek should be written under the input and supervision of past and present Naval officers and enlistees from now on.
LOL, great video. Very cool editing about Gene's idea. Like from Cardassia Prime!
The whole point of Star Trek is to have a version of humanity that’s advanced, sophisticated, mature, and highly capable travel the universe and help other planets. Lower Decks just wants to ridicule all of that. What the hell were they thinking?🤦♂️
they were thinking of second contact: a corrective lens' story.
Sad thing is, I still think the second season of Lower Decks is the closest we're going to get to classic Trek any time soon.
Which is doubly insulting to Discovery and Picard. And to ourselves I suppose.
There is a podcast on sound cloud called "The Ensign's Log" that's been doing a lower decks type story on the Enterprise during TOS with a couple of 40 YO+ ensigns, pretty funny
Between 40K dying a death and now Star Trek having it's corpse immolated can someone pass me some bleach.
What's happening with 40k?
"Dying A death."
@@MechaShadowV2 I think he meant both franchises have a certain slide of disadvantage.
Maybe he said 40K losing its audiences and Star Trek is kinda....very dead.
Don't get me wrong, I like energetic women. But "Oh, for crying out loud!" - Jack O'Neil, comedy relieve the good way. Also switching the lights on and off on a highly advanced Asgard spaceship while being neuroly interfaced with its computer: "O'Neil!" - Thor
I think its odd that Lower Decks gets so much hate.
Its a comedy guys. It isn't meant to be taken seriously. It isn't preachy like traditional trek or filled with Gene's sense of ethics shoved down your throat like the older series but its still entertaining in small doses.
Now the hate for Discovery and Picard I get, but Lower Decks? I think yall need to ease off a bit. Some folks take this stuff way too seriously.
The ENSIGNS on Star Trek: Lower Decks went through the academy and were assigned to a starship. Maybe INSTEAD of Lower Decks, you should have said Star Trek:Prodigy...
*Discovery:* Well we haven't had a show in a while, but hey maybe it'll be good to have a new Star Trek series.
*Picard:* Ok, Discovery sucked, but Picard's gotta be good right? I mean it's Picard, he's like the best most iconic character from the entire franchise!
*Lower Decks:* Just fuck off.
I do enjoy that Lower Decks has some scenes where these Ensings legitimately admire Starfleet. That even though they skirt around protocol and goof off, Starfleet means something to them and they’re not incapable of taking their jobs seriously.
But some of the jokes do remind me of Data trying to imitate Jerry Lewis.
It's a star trek brand final space? But not funny in the slightest? Hm. Go to he'll.
final space: the first frontier. these are the stories of the starship, ... ... well, go to h...
Lower Decks may not be the best piece of Star Trek content, but it shits all over Discovery and Picard.
What the hell was that? Is that an actual Trek cartoon or some parody?
If the former, then it clearly shows how Hollywood's understanding of Trek is based on its understanding pop culture memes about Trek, not Trek itself.
It actually hurts to watch the clips from Lower Decks
i know. that klingon battle thing slicing skin looks very painful.
Gene's gone now and we saw what happened when he had creative control (TNG S#1).
Ngl lower decks is a great show canon or not it takes great care in being faithful to the lore and while it may not be believable i think its done a great job at using star trek tropes to create humupr
Sad thing is this could have been good. Somewhat goofy character doing a "the office" in space but still in the Star Trek spirit of exploration and adventure. There could be a episode where the crew keeps a tribble as a pet and now they have to clean up the mess before the officers become aware, a "meet the new guy" episode about a new ensign whose species smell faintly but distinctly of caramellized onions. Stuff like that.
Major Grins parodies of this show will for sure be funnier than the show itself.
Lower Decks is the best of the post Berman era Trek. Made by someone who loved the Berman era. It's great!
They can keep is mindless junk to themselves !!!! Yet, another reason, why I don't have CBS, AA...
Come on… Lower Decks does not want to be anything else but comedy. IMHO it actually pays a lot of tribute to the original shows and it is in no way disrespectful. Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of new Trek but if you think that Roddenberry Trek was the best than please think about the first two TNG seasons. Please, we don’t need to argue about that train wreck that Discovery is but don’t discredit something just for the sake of it.
I wonder how many times that blast shield clip will be reused in future videos?
What a mess. 😢 Poor Gene.
Berman said Gene said "Go to hell" when the studio said they wanted a two hour premiere for TNG. Gene obviously lost that battle.
Lower Decks is actually quite enjoyable. Some of the jokes don't land (like the one referenced in this clip) but it felt more like Star Trek than anything released in the past decade with the exception of The Orville.