This trick got me BANNED from German rental cars for life!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Andrew Engelmann (IG: @engel__mann) thought he had the system beat for a Nurburgring adventure. It turns out, he was wrong and he should have started with @Rent4Ring (IG: @rent4ringofficial).
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#Nurburgring #RentalCars #BMWM4
With the prevalence of GPS today, the documentation with the rental car company's claim would probably include lap times. LOL
“He’s using our cars illegally on the Ring, but this dudes got skills”
“Well this car went to the ring. Let’s look at the lap times and… NEW RECORD! Only charge him half.”
SuperspeedersRob would not be happy.
You kept going back for more cars after trashing every one of them, pretty shitty move. Way to give Americans a good reputation in Germany🙄
Then wanted to dispute the charges that's just grimy
@@spoolyboi9434 yeah that made it even worse, he should've kept that part to himself smh..
@@zachjohnson357 if that's a nod to WW2.. Americans are the ones flying the Nazi flags now
@@zachjohnson357 You're not the one allotting those places.
Schöne Grüße aus Berlin...
@@zachjohnson357 I think anyone visiting another country should show respect and represent their homeland in a respectable way.
Play stupid games... Win stupid prizes. 🤷♂️
Not always
I gotta be honest. Dude absolutely looks like the kinda guy that would do this sort of thing. Maybe sometimes you can judge a book by its cover.
Especially with that douche mustache
Bruh
I always thought this about pedophiles. A lot of them just have that creepy look. (Not saying that about this guy whatsoever.)
"Don't judge a book by its cover" is bullshit most of the time anyways. There is a reason you instantly have a gut feeling about someone you just met. Imho you can judge a book by its cover 8 out of 10 times.
He clealry did and does do that Kind of BS, another arrogant rich Prick that was never taught to respect other people stuff.
I don't understand how people can do this, I guess having shame and some moral compass is the problem. I mean he trashes multiple cars and keeps coming back for more, what the hell?
Cry about it
He's clearly a dick who abuses normal systems to his benefit. Wouldn’t be surprised if he does shady tax shit too like Montana tags ect. Dont pay too much mind to the commenters who try defending him they’re just as bad as he is.
@@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs we germans go him with the fine print tho XD. Thought he was slick and overestimated his intelligence like people haven't tried that shit for decades.
I’m a little surprised at the 2 ways this is going, with people admiring this behavior. Wasn’t too long ago, this would have been a one way dragging on this channel. Indicative of the number of sub’s these days.
@@carlosesteban5601 ahaha thats what I like ta hear, maybe next time hell just go for the racecar rental like everybody else doe, if hes ever allowed back that is.
And Im familiar with germans and paperwork. After I finalized my purchased with my f82 I felt like my hand would never regain feeling again lol
Imagine having a car rental business and an idiot breaks all your cars just for fun. Nothing else to say...
Imagine being so mad in the youtube comments about a story that has no impact on you
@@juggernautAA12 Imagine replying to each and every negative comment. You a fanboy or something?
@@captainsergeant hahahahhaha. 😂
@@juggernautAA12 Andrew is that you?
@@juggernautAA12 imagine driving a car which is not insured and crash into someone on the ring
Glad they made you pay and not everyone that rented the car after you
Rob Spaghetti would lose his meatballs over this
LOL
😅😅
also his palms would be sweaty.....
@@derwynowen8609 knees weak
@@bman_-ze4gu arms are heavy
So the first 5 minutes were some entitled kid beating on 3 BMWs from a local german rental car company. Then tried to dispute charges for said beating. Then the next 5 were him promoting an actual ring taxi company. His last point was it being cheaper to just get prepped cars, no that ya know, shouldn’t have done it because it was morally and contractually wrong. Come on Vinwiki, you even have videos of rental company owners who complain about these types of guys.
And no mention of a lifetime ban from renting cars in Germany. Clickbait. VINwiki is becoming the CNN of car stories.
Wow! Not only were you an asshole for taking a car to the track that you're not supposed to (you're not insured this can cause a whole different set of issues), but then after you caused unreasonable wear and damage to them you even had the cheek to try and dispute the charge...
Seriously. I'm glad he got what was coming to him.
You were stupid, in the contract is stated, that Rating Tricks are forbidden.
who cares? why are you defending a huge international corporation?
@@fourdoorsmorehoes AVIS is a franchise company with lots of SMALL business owners. Grow up and stop causing trouble for hard working people.
This is what happens when a rich kid goes to play. Thinks he can get away with anything. And no one try to tell me a guy who was taking yearly trips to Germany and renting sports cars for the race track isnt a rich kid
Being disrespectful of someone else's property isn't quirky or tough. It's also very American to think you would get away with shit like this, any german (or other european) would have had an instant heart-attack lol.
Stfu, my European coworkers are the ones who schooled me on this little “trick”. They’re no better than we are over there, they just hide it better.
@@gregkrueger331 Thank you for your considerate reply, as an european myself and one who has visited the ring multiple times, i have never seen a german rent a car and lap it.
Thanks Mr Kok for living up to your name and throwing all Americans into the same group.
@@CrackedCandy Thanks DSDftw!! for trying to insult me with my native name. The irony is quite magnificent
@@gregkrueger331 its like teasing the intern. Come on let’s tell the foreigner a trick that everybody else knows and get a good laugh out of it.
"I learned a very, very expensive lesson."
The lesson: Only trash rental cars within the contiguous US, with full coverage.
Pretty sure the fine print usually says no taking it to a race track, so that won't work either.
Christopher Michaels can attest to that ...ruclips.net/video/b8hYh8YE2KM/видео.html
@@wronggg Related, the correct answer to the 'where ya heading?' small talk at the rental counter is not 'oh I'm going to a race at '. Like, no, dude, I'm not going to track your Kia. I just need something to drive there.
@@wronggg Notice how I said "trash" and not "take to a race track"
In a rental car, the world is your race track.
@@mtfan that's what u think till they pull logs of your driving and charge you.
“9000 dollar fine!” No, repair bills for damage you admit you caused
Nobody asked
My thoughts exactly. Dude admitted he did it too. Let this be a lesson to the kids.
@@juggernautAA12 nobody asked for your opinion either and yet here we are
This guy actually seems to be proud of what he did..
There’s free form and there’s this douche. Ed needs to start vetting stories or this channel gonna become Reddit.
He literally says what he did was dumb and spends a good bit of time giving advice on how to properly rent a track-prepped car for the Nurburgring. Perhaps you didn’t watch the vid
@@kabob21 He says , he was dumb,because he got caught and it was expensive, not because it just wasnt right.
@@lomeoNS vetting the stories? Ed is sitting right across from him prompting him with questions the whole time that just get edited out
I'm proud of what he did.
Sounds like you had a very lucky escape....... I know someone that wrote off an Airport rental on the ring, was a while ago but if memory serves just the Track fee's and Towing was about 9k and then the Insurance was invalid (Because race track) so the hire company sued him for the price of replacing the car + legal fee's, ended up being a substantial amount of money (closer to 100k)
I thought the 'ring was considered a toll road? I'm guessing there's something in the fine print for the insurance or rental agreement saying you are forbidden to take it on the 'ring.
@@Surestick88 Yes, I have researched and read that rental agreements specifically prohibit taking cars on the Nurburgring
@@Surestick88 I'm stationed in Germany, just a couple hours from the 'ring. Insurance is very clear that taking the car on a race track voids your insurance, they make it extra clear for us Americans with sporty cars I'm sure haha.
@@dannymaxx510 yes, the Nürburgring is a public toll road, but most insurances have a clause that says no coverage for race tracks and the 'ring.
@@Surestick88 Yeah, even in the UK car insurance includes a clause that specifically excludes the Nurburgring from coverage (And a separate clause that excludes track coverage, because the Nurburgring isn't considered a track)
Damn this kid grew up thinking lying and swindling was ok
That’s growing up a rich kid and never digging deep. It’s entertaining for sure!
Definitely couldn't be his first rodeo trying to scam people
So a story about committing fraud/breaking a contract. No track use -clauses, no excessive wear clauses on normal rental places are standard.
Greed is the biggest reason people get caught. If he would have only did it to one or two cars he would have been ok. Yet 4 or five cars is very suspicious!
Not nowadays, back in the day you'd be right but it happens so often they pay bountys to the track photographers if they spot any of the cars in their fleet, they also put trackers in the higher value carsthat throw up a red flag if you go even close to a race track. Today they would probaly know before you drop the car off it's been on the ring.
@@K2edg I suspect the 320 he was in as he was getting ready to enter the Ring again had a tracker, and that the timing of the phone call from the rental car company was not a coincidence.
It’s the audacity that he has witch amazed me.
It's not just the photographers. The big rental companies have representatives at the track on the lookout for rental cars.
I wouldn’t have done it more than twice
What a fine instance of what comes around goes around. Well deserved i’d say.
Yeah, you tell him big boy
@@juggernautAA12 it’s common sense mr funny guy
@@juggernautAA12 you’re replying to every comment😂😂 get a job
Tool comes to mind when I think of what you did, don't blame it on youth, just you being a Tool, you got off lightly
We (working at a Rentalcar Company in Germany) often browsed the Websites of photographs of Touristenfahrten and looked for our Numberplates and then gave those customers a call with a fine. They even took crossovers for a ride...
Edit: well thats what he continued to tell us. xD
Idiot is lucky he didn’t crash one of the cars. Almost all European insurance company’s specifically exclude insurance on the Nurburgring, and I’ll bet that it’s also in the fine print on the rental company’s contract. He probably got away with a life-long debt
First you play dumb with the rental agency then waste the time of the CC company by trying to hide behind their chargeback policy. I'm all for being a little young and dumb but this is a little much. Consider yourself lucky that the cost was merely financial and you were not charged for fraud in both Germany and the US.
Now that I think about it, he definitely deserved to sit in a cell for this.
I don't know what length of sentence I would consider fair but 9k seems a bit light for all the scams he tried to run
4 cars over the course of many days and then you try and dispute the charge? You summarize with don’t do it this way because it’s not worth the risk and it may not be cheaper. How about don’t do it it’s wrong to destroy someone else’s property even if it’s cheaper. I’d hold off on telling any more stories about being “young and dumb” until you are no longer “young and dumb”.
Its not that deep, dont get your feelings hurt
@@juggernautAA12 Remember that when someone screws you out of thousands of dollars.
Well, he's not young any more...
@@juggernautAA12 , you clearly aren't a geniune proponent of Dr. Paul's philosophy.
@@juggernautAA12 no it's not but ripping a company off is just as crappy a thing as ripping off an individual. Prices are set higher than necessary because of asshats like this. We all pay for their asshattery every day. Maybe it's a bigger deal than you realize. Morals and ethics are sadly underrated today. I bet if he was renting your car it'd be a bigger deal when it was your money.
"I think something is wrong with these BMW's!"
*He says as he casually drives on with, glowing red brakes and bald, smoking tires.*
It’s the audacity for me. Good thing they made you pay for it.
Americans …. 😅
Not neccessarily Americans. Tourists, though...
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo Excuse me for blaming all the Americans.
Its seems like everybody who is in a different country thinks they can get away with outrages actions like this.
This story just pissed me of. Excuse me again.
Unbelievable to see someone actually apologetic over a comment like that. Cheers friend!
Guys like this give Americans a bad rep and I hate him for that, and that was just so morally wrong I can’t believe him.
@@jessemess7598 The "BMW driver" jokes I had to endure because of guys like this...
This must be video #1, of the VINwiki "Reprobate Cringe Series."
This is the kinda guy that rob ferretti has to deal with
Not the sharpest knife in the box
Ethics - moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
Robert and Misha at Apex. That's who I'd go through for my time at the ring.
Would love to see robert on vinwiki sometime
Misha is such a good guy, saw him at the Ring and said hi, he asked if I wanted to visit Apex to check out the cars even though I made it clear I wasn’t staying at Apex and had no intention of renting anything.
@@TheMunch97 I would've asked if Boris was around. We need more Boosted Boris!
@@paulcrocker4553 I'm the bootleg version, naturally aspirated Boris 😂
Me too. Misha and Robert are solid people. I met Robert briefly when he was here in Florida for the SSC run. Very nice, laid back guy. He didn't have a ton of time, but he still took 5 or so minutes out of he super hectic day just to say Hello to a fan (which he is super uncomfortable with having, he prefers friends of the track or channel) and talk about the run.
“I would blame it on being young and stupid”. Maybe more on the stupid part… lol
What a "clever“ guy…
When using something of someone else’s, I like to ask, “would I appreciate if someone treated this thing how I am treating it”. In this instance, that would be a definite no
Last time I was this early, Travis Bell’s story didn't have much to do with cars, but it definitely belongs in the VINwiki Car Stories Hall of Fame.
This Dude shouldn't be on this channel...
130-150 euros per lap doesn’t sound bad imo. Also better than being yelled at by an angry German guy in the airport.
Had he crashed one it would have been worse
WE WILL ASK ZE QUESZIONS!
@@Kanhow for both his health and wallet cause I’m sure crashing in a non race prepped bmw probably drops a ton of safety features that a track ready car has.
For one lap that sounds very expensive..130-150 euros for an hour maybe is more reasonable
The guy could of done almost 50laps with the amount of money he got nailed for..
A nein thousand dollar fine huh?
hahah good one!
Opening a shop that does brakes and tires exclusively right next to the Nurburgring is sounding like a great business opportunity right now.
I'd be extremely upset if I owned that rental company. Was there a document you signed forbidding you from bringing the car to the track? If so you got off easy.
There’s supposedly verbiage about not taking their cars on one-way toll roads in the rental contracts. The Nurburgring is the only one-way toll road in Germany.
Even at 20, you should have enough brain cells to know that if you crash at the ring, insurance will not cover the damages to the car or person. Big yikes, I'd never tell this story if I was him.
Honestly, if they didn't before, everybody in his personal life realizes how big a douchebag he must be now.
it's not a race track it's a toll road with unlimited speeds sometimes it's a racetrackand yes insurance would pay for a wreck on that road because it's a normal German road if a toll road in Germany with unlimited speed is no different than any other Road in Germany
So as a german who worked for an rental car company. It states in the contract that you are not allowed to drive the car in place without the german road law (Stvo) and especially race tracks. He got pretty lucky because the car insurance expired the second he drove on to the track and he didn't total the car 🤣👍
The Nordschleife is a toll road, and the Stvo does apply. If the insurance doesn't specifically exclude the Nordschleife, you're insured.
@@dustdriverdd thanks I didn't know that 👍
@@Fabiman99 just to be clear, this doesn't apply for trackdays on the Nordschleife.
@@dustdriverdd so only the Touristen Fahrten I get that
Why is he even on the channel? Just a casual story about trashing another person's business.
I’d be surprised if there wasn’t exclusions in the rental contract that prohibited track type driving. I think he got off lightly.
It's officially a public road so there's exclusions specifically mentioning the Nurburgring in most European insurance policies.
He didn't mention it, but i guarantee he was told about the Nurburgring at least once before he was handed the keys.
it's not a race track it's a toll road with unlimited speeds sometimes it's a racetrack
“I learned an expensive lesson”? Yeah… not to commit wire fraud. You’re lucky the only downside was that you can’t rent from that particular car rental company in Germany. Not nearly as expensive as it could have been. I was sort of on your side right up until you called your credit card company to dispute the charge. That is not only dumb but illegal.
One doesn‘t need to go to the Nürburgring, when the Sauerland exists.
Hundreds of miles of windy forests roads with literally zero traffic and police officers anywhere.
And medical help when you crash lol greenhell has over 80 full time emt's and emergency crews
@@kingjellybean9795 the trick is not to crash. To be honest, I doubt the emergency service can do much after you crash there, those forest roads are basically the Nordschleife with even less runoff and no barriers between the road and the trees.
Ah you mean the roads with all the crosses on the side that were killed?
Great, more racing on public roads. So that all people in faster or tuned cars are even more often in unnecessary police controls and get their car seized. Why not race in racetracks, you know where it is okay to drive like that
@@TJayVariable as I said there is no police there, espacially in the evening.
In 23 years I have never seen a police car on those roads, never.
You would think the rental companies would have GPS/tracker that gives them a warning, or get a number plate reader at the track so when thier car shows up it alerts them, that if it is such a big problem for them..
You didn't pay a fine, you paid for what you broke;)
As owner of a German car rental company i can say that you was very lucky to pay only 8000 euros......hope you learn the lesson. Next time, turn on your brain before damage other properties, properties that someone else pay with hard work.
Glad you were caught.
No wonder he got caught taking the cars back saying "I don't know what's wrong with it" multiple times. They obviously knew what was going on and called one of their buddies lol
brakes of those cars can easily make it in stock form, if they are somewhat fresh to start with. But only if you take care of them. Cool them off properly, make only 1-2 laps at the time. "Warped" rotors are mostly driver fault, not car.
Having Fun is very good , but dont do these lowlife tactics to have it .
Call me negative but its good u got caught .
And the "Douche of the Year" award goes to.........
99% chance this rental company is Sixt. They have a partnership with BMW and lots of cool stuff.
Went to the Nurburgring in October and rented with Ring Freaks they were great to deal with and the cars were awesome.
The stories on here are okay not as good as when you started those were fucking wild
What a jerk. Trash someone else’s property on purpose and lie about it and blame it on your age (adult).
Ed really should start throwing out some of these stories. There are funny, honest ones and then there's this guy who wrecks rental cars for fun...
Sixt rent a car for anyone wondering lol
They don’t play with their cars being trashed but they do carry a nice fleet.
Yeah, but they play games. I rented a car from Sixt in Denmark in 2018. I reserved a full size wagon. When I arrived to pick up my car the cheerful agent said "oh, it looks we upgraded you!" I asked him, skeptically, what I had been upgraded to. "A BMW X1" he replied. I told him that wasn't an upgrade and he said "but it's a BMW!" I told him going from a full size wagon to a compact SUV wasn't an upgrade. Then they tried to charge me the price of the full size wagon! Oh, and the X1 was a bare bones basic car. I ended up trading it for a 320d M Sport wagon a week later.
@@AeroGuy07 they tried something similar with me. I reserved a 5 series in California. The guy was like “We could offer you an upgrade”. In my head I’m thinking “Ooooh 7 series” NOPE. tried to offer me a GLA. I politely declined and requested the 5 series or similar. Great rental experience from them though. Never really had a problem
Sixt always had the best cars in Germany. As opposed to Hertz trying to hand out a Ford C-Max with an auto.
Every single car rental in germany will explicitly prohibit you from driving the ring.
Pretty sure it’s almost every rental in Europe, and also every insurance company
I second his advise, I took a rented Audi A4 around the ring about 15 years ago. Really fun at the time and a tick off the bucket list, luckily nothing bad happened to me, but thinking back on it now so risky if you wreck it or nowadays with gps and they charge you for excessive ware
Tool story. What's next I rented a hotel room and AirBnb'd it?
I used to travel to cologne several times a year for business and always rented “performance” cars, JUST to rip on the autobahn. Man i wish we had one stateside, from coast to coast.
Yeah but then we wouldn't have all these cool Cannonball stories.
@@michel_dutch what you mean? They’d be BETTER! Lol
This guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Could have just drove the rentals on the A8 or A63 on a weekend night/ Sunday morning and have tons of 3 lane unlimited stretch to your self.
03:19 the rental car company is called Sixt ;)
This kid has probably never kissed reality. It’s a damn shame tbh.
Thanks for the shout-out! Before I moved out here and helped start RSR (then joined R4R), I too was banned for exactly this. But I ragged a Focus Estate instead. I didn't even know I was banned until a year later, in San Fran at midnight, when I couldn't pick-up my car!
The Rent4Ring BMW Stage 3 is €109 per lap, and the Swift Turbo is only €59 per lap... total cost including fuel and lap tickets on a weekend will put you closer to €150 and €100 respectively.
I'm not even gonna finish this story. dishonesty makes me angry.
so what i got from this is you can rent a airport car and go race, return it saying something is wrong and then DONT race anymore after that, also take the number plate off the car while at the track
You are not allowed on the track without numberplates
@@pommesspecialpsn ok, i didnt know that iv never been there.
This video is sponsored by the cologne airport rental car agency
"i played dumb" translate: i tried to get a way with scamming them.
What an ass.
A friend and I took an airport rental Mazda mx5, threw race brake pads on the front and took it around the ring for about 10 laps or so and as of now we haven’t heard anything from the rental company…
You didn't turn it in trashed like this genius did
So like, i got charged $300 australian for returning a kia piccanto (small hatchback) to an airport rental place with some clay still in the wheel arches from driving on a dirt road at 15kmh for 5km in the rain....(i washed the car, but not exceptionally thoroughly as i was running out of time before they closed for the night) This guy ruins half their damn inventory intentionally, and only gets charged 9 grand... Wtf.
This mans disrespect for cars is astonishing, and he paid for it... just pay extra for the race spec cars
8.000 € Sounds very friendly to me. Shoould have cost more
the thing is the company most likely wasnt insured at the nürburgring since many insurance companies (at least here in germany) wont cover racetracks and specially that one
Nothing about this story is "cool".... have respect for peoples property.
I doubt he did any of that. He's just advertising his friend's "proper rental company"
Completely stupid story, he tried to scam & cheat. In the end, he learned a massive lesson (DON’T SCAM & CHEAT), or the people who really have the power.. will SPANK YOU WITH IT!!!
Ohhh I drove fast, (for half a second), with a rental car, and had to pay price.
I could be wrong, maybe this is the absolute, sickest car story ever told. Personally, I think blaming the (mysterious people), who took pictures on a track, for getting caught lying to a rental car company, could signal integrity issues. However he did discover the track on tv, while watching with his daddy. So lying on the rental agreement not once, but thrice, has to be justified, smh.
To everyone saying "what a jerk" and "he seems happy about it": Agreed but........it is kinda funny
There probably was a line in the contract excluding the car from racetracks
Serves you right 😁
Lesson learned!! Always cover the number plates when renting a hire car for the ring!!
You are not allowed to enter the ring without numberplates or cover up plates
To give you guys some context, the nurburgring is a public road and rental cars get beaten on way worse in a city or highway driven by idiots than from a professional driver who knows the track. He technically wasnt doing anything illegal but they probably got pissed that he did it over and over. But thats what rental cars are for. So calm tf down.
I don’t understand how you can fully trash brakes, rotors and tires in the span of a day or two per car wtf
Road cars arent meant to be driven at their limit continuously. Even track cars have their limits and need frequent changes of brakes and tyres
Drive it like you rented it
Ahh we used to do that for club navigation rallys for years ! I didn't know a Fiat Tipo had the same wheelbase as a Lancia Delta Integrale !!
Should have just taken your German performance rental car for a top speed run on the Autobahn and weekend up the mountains like the rest of us 😄
Pretty sure the rental companies pay a small fee to the 'ring spotters who photograph one of their cars too.
He should have been arrested. This was a very dick thing to do. Hate people who ruin other peoples property.
"Played dumb" No, You lied. OWN IT.
Am i the only one who starts to wonder if vinwiki doesnt care about moral side of stories? Whats next?
He didn't pay enough
TF looks at the Ring as a public roadway and no timing is allowed. The entry/exit doesn't allow a full lap.
Should rent from Apex at the Ring. They have properly set up cars that are well maintained.Similar to the company you mentioned.
So morel of the story... Hire out cars from the airport then cancel your credit card 👽
Video was only posted via community post link, actually first 🤣
Just don't don't ever do this. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Younger me might have done the same thing with the first car, but no way would I go and ask for another.
I like this story for the honesty and he seems properly humbled by it
...one of the reasons why rental car rates are so expensive. Did you forget or just not know you are dealing with Germans and what that means; VERY detailed and methodical when it comes to documenting everything.
I also have to say, there is an certainly a humorous quality about this story, which the rental guy most likely tells his buddies. Often outsiders think of German people as stoic and lacking humor, where as I see it as being less visibly emotionally expressive: that handshake with your mother is a hug and that slight smile is a hearty belly laugh. 🙂