I notice a ton of bikes seem to be mucking about with 2nd gear power. I think an ECU flash is becoming more and more mandatory to get a smooth/refined feel from modern ECU's.
ECU flashes are mandatory to remove throttle restrictions on every modern bike.... They're neutered in the first few gears to where you might be giving 100% but in reality at lower rpm's it's giving 50%. World of a difference on every modern bike i've ridden.
ECU flash and a tune would do the trick but you might impact the engine breaking setup on the bike and add more smoothness to the overall power range, so it isn’t always a win win situation as you might loose the roar character of the MT09.
@@Champion2Manager absolutely not the case, it roars so much more, and most of the tunes seek to calm the engine breaking down a bit because it can be a bit too much(at least in my opinion).
OC: The SP model is definitely the one to go with. Having owned a MT09 SP it's incredible. The price bump over the base model is worth it, as if you tried to upgrade a base model to match it's SP variant you would actually spend more than just buying the SP at the start. Also guarantee someone on this press launch asked a Yamaha rep "When are we getting the R9?"
I couldn’t disagree more, I am coming from a rsv4 I wanted a pretty fast, more comfortable, daily rider and I went and road the 23 and 24 SP and the 24 base and the base 24 bike has the exact same front suspension components as the SP and the rear is just missing the remote reservoir. The brakes are not as good but most people are not tracking their bike and a simple pad swap will give them more than enough brake feel to be happy. I got the base model 24 for $9500 out the door and used the savings for a leonvince exhaust, tune, brake pads, tank pads and still have about 1500 dollars extra left in my pocket over the SP. if you are a advanced level rider or track then yea go SP
There seems to be a consensus this is a great motorcycle. Things I believe can make it better: 1) Larger LCD; 2) A better looking headlight cluster; 3) A stronger chassis (front-end); 4) OEM windscreen options (and other protective panels as well). QUESTION: Are the handlebar buttons backlit?
@Oliver0200 Yes, the gen4 is better than the Gen3... it's also a chunk more expensive though. Aside from the better brakes (Stylemas) and latest gen QS that now allows you to change up and down regardless of throttle position, They did just about everything I wanted to do to my Gen3 SP.. Larger LCD, lower bar risers for more front end feel, I believe it also has a slightly better steering lock?, and now has a slightly stiffer front spring... which would suit my >110kg weight better. Is it that much better that I'd be happy to fork out >3k to trade up to the Gen4 version of the SP? Probably not... the Gen3 is still an incredible bike.. but yeah, the gen4 is a bit better.
@@Oliver0200 I have not not had the pleasure to ride one yet but I am considering buying the 2024 MT-09 SP. All reviews (videos, forums, etc) seem to agree it is an improvement to the previous year models and the SP extra cost is totally worth it. I personally like the 2024 looks more than the previous ones. Still there is room for improvements in the areas I mentioned. Good luck!
I have not rode a 2024 yet but have ridden the first 3 generations of the MT09. I am not sure what they could have done to make the 24 model better than the 3rd generation. With thousands of miles on the other generations I feel personally the 3rd generation resolved the problems of the first generations. Some people would complain about being paid with used money. Those are 99 percent of the complaints I have heard against the 3rd generation MT09s. They make different brands, colors, sizes and shapes of bikes for a reason, not everyone likes the same thing. So if the MT09 doesn’t float your boat move on. Don’t tell someone they are married to an ugly person!! I don’t care what you ride but I will tell you don’t mess with a good rider on a MT09.
@@tranquilmind8487 yup. It was fantastic for aggressive riding on smooth roads but no matter what I tried I couldn’t get it dialed in for my preferences. My main point in the comparison between the two 765 models and the SP was that the SP strikes a fantastic balance between performance and comfort, almost like getting the best of both triumphs out together.
This is the SP model and Yamaha has only just recently held this Tail of the Dragon press launch. The earliest printed reviews are from the last week in August and most reports of this launch are in September. Hardly "a long time ago".
I'm sure it's a good episode but unless Chase is reviewing it.. I'd rather not. I've gotten use to that and anything else (no matter how good) just isn't the same. Too bad, I really REALLY like this bike.
We do our best to bring you guys as much content from all over the spectrum when we get a chance. Unfortunately, I can't get to every event which is why I send my buddies when I can't make it. I think Joe did an amazing job at this one but I totally get you have a preference. I'll try and get a press loan of an SP and make more content on it for yall.
You trippin dude. This guy did a 10 times better job than Chase ever could have. He's clearly more experienced rider. Chase made the right choice in sending him.
@@martinmackye9865 oh he did a great job! By any means! But I 'grew up' watching wrecked bike rebuilds before I ever touched a motorcycle myself. That dude is a legend to me, so yeah, he does kind of has that nudge that makes me rather look at Chase. The all-founding-father of my motorcycle religion 🫡❤️😂
Its design isn’t reviving many hearts for sure but to say Yamaha is slowly dying is so wrongly stated given the fact that this brand sells so many of their lineup let alone the R1M,R1,R6(track version)R7,R3…
Dude did a great job reviewing this bike
I agree! Very professional and good-vibey!
Couldn't agree more. Joe does an amazing job for the team!
CRAZY that Yamaha took you all out on a road with that many clibbins.
it would be even better if yamaha made more than 10 of them. Been waiting 3 months for my order
me to ,.. 4 months for my order,.. but is a good bike ,..
Damn it Joe!!! thats all.
I notice a ton of bikes seem to be mucking about with 2nd gear power. I think an ECU flash is becoming more and more mandatory to get a smooth/refined feel from modern ECU's.
ECU flashes are mandatory to remove throttle restrictions on every modern bike.... They're neutered in the first few gears to where you might be giving 100% but in reality at lower rpm's it's giving 50%. World of a difference on every modern bike i've ridden.
ECU flash and a tune would do the trick but you might impact the engine breaking setup on the bike and add more smoothness to the overall power range, so it isn’t always a win win situation as you might loose the roar character of the MT09.
@@Champion2Manager absolutely not the case, it roars so much more, and most of the tunes seek to calm the engine breaking down a bit because it can be a bit too much(at least in my opinion).
Great review Joe!
Nice summary and review! You articulate your points well and concisely. Nicely done, sir.
OC: The SP model is definitely the one to go with. Having owned a MT09 SP it's incredible. The price bump over the base model is worth it, as if you tried to upgrade a base model to match it's SP variant you would actually spend more than just buying the SP at the start. Also guarantee someone on this press launch asked a Yamaha rep "When are we getting the R9?"
I couldn’t disagree more, I am coming from a rsv4 I wanted a pretty fast, more comfortable, daily rider and I went and road the 23 and 24 SP and the 24 base and the base 24 bike has the exact same front suspension components as the SP and the rear is just missing the remote reservoir. The brakes are not as good but most people are not tracking their bike and a simple pad swap will give them more than enough brake feel to be happy. I got the base model 24 for $9500 out the door and used the savings for a leonvince exhaust, tune, brake pads, tank pads and still have about 1500 dollars extra left in my pocket over the SP. if you are a advanced level rider or track then yea go SP
Yamaha just released what looks to be a R9 teaser video, a few days ago.. :)
Holy shit, who’s this new guy?! Eloquent, likable and cute.
There seems to be a consensus this is a great motorcycle. Things I believe can make it better: 1) Larger LCD; 2) A better looking headlight cluster; 3) A stronger chassis (front-end); 4) OEM windscreen options (and other protective panels as well). QUESTION: Are the handlebar buttons backlit?
What do you think between this and the last gen? Is this gen better? I'm looking into getting one of the two.
@Oliver0200 Yes, the gen4 is better than the Gen3... it's also a chunk more expensive though.
Aside from the better brakes (Stylemas) and latest gen QS that now allows you to change up and down regardless of throttle position, They did just about everything I wanted to do to my Gen3 SP.. Larger LCD, lower bar risers for more front end feel, I believe it also has a slightly better steering lock?, and now has a slightly stiffer front spring... which would suit my >110kg weight better.
Is it that much better that I'd be happy to fork out >3k to trade up to the Gen4 version of the SP? Probably not... the Gen3 is still an incredible bike.. but yeah, the gen4 is a bit better.
@@Oliver0200 I have not not had the pleasure to ride one yet but I am considering buying the 2024 MT-09 SP. All reviews (videos, forums, etc) seem to agree it is an improvement to the previous year models and the SP extra cost is totally worth it. I personally like the 2024 looks more than the previous ones. Still there is room for improvements in the areas I mentioned. Good luck!
oof, that autofocus pulsing at the end is super distracting. Should set a focus lock when you're doing static shots like that.
Unfortunately the camera crew at this launch had some technical troubles. We had no way of knowing until the footage was delivered
Beautiful
That second gear roll on issue is purely ECU throttle restriction. Dont listen to me, validate with any popular tuner (vcyclenut, 2WDW, Moore)
Joe Effing Jackson! Let’s gooo
I have not rode a 2024 yet but have ridden the first 3 generations of the MT09. I am not sure what they could have done to make the 24 model better than the 3rd generation. With thousands of miles on the other generations I feel personally the 3rd generation resolved the problems of the first generations. Some people would complain about being paid with used money. Those are 99 percent of the complaints I have heard against the 3rd generation MT09s.
They make different brands, colors, sizes and shapes of bikes for a reason, not everyone likes the same thing. So if the MT09 doesn’t float your boat move on. Don’t tell someone they are married to an ugly person!!
I don’t care what you ride but I will tell you don’t mess with a good rider on a MT09.
So the 2024 MT-09 SP has been out a year. And we're doing a press release for a year old bike?
Beautiful road! Whereabouts if I may ask
I want this bike so bad!!
I wished they had brought the Y AMT over… looks like I gotta wait another year.
I'd like a SP Y AMT
You can flash that for more power in second gear
You said the 765 RS suspension was too stiff - its adjustable...so adjust for the road??
Best believe I did!
@@jackson_foto in your opinion then, even with adjusting for the road, are you saying it was still too stiff
@@tranquilmind8487 yup. It was fantastic for aggressive riding on smooth roads but no matter what I tried I couldn’t get it dialed in for my preferences. My main point in the comparison between the two 765 models and the SP was that the SP strikes a fantastic balance between performance and comfort, almost like getting the best of both triumphs out together.
The big question is… This or the XSR 900?
All its missing is a lean angle sensor.
It has one.
It's called an IMU
12:53
The giveaway???
It just closed enteries today so give them some time to pick the winner(s)
So late, mt09 came out a long time ago
This is the SP model and Yamaha has only just recently held this Tail of the Dragon press launch. The earliest printed reviews are from the last week in August and most reports of this launch are in September. Hardly "a long time ago".
@@luddite6239 650Ib posted his video back in August, and others posted it in July
@@luddite6239 In the US maybe, in the rest of the world this bike is already available since summer
That exhaust is atrocious !!! 🤮
Ugly sure but tucked away and actually sounds good.
DE VOX.
Yamaha stop watching old Jaspion movies after too much saké and do like successful brands in China …. Hire Italian Designers ….. ! Argh
LOL! China. Nah.
@@SimonRiley752what's wrong with China? They are really good at designing bikes lately.
I'm sure it's a good episode but unless Chase is reviewing it.. I'd rather not. I've gotten use to that and anything else (no matter how good) just isn't the same. Too bad, I really REALLY like this bike.
Same here
We do our best to bring you guys as much content from all over the spectrum when we get a chance. Unfortunately, I can't get to every event which is why I send my buddies when I can't make it. I think Joe did an amazing job at this one but I totally get you have a preference. I'll try and get a press loan of an SP and make more content on it for yall.
You trippin dude. This guy did a 10 times better job than Chase ever could have. He's clearly more experienced rider. Chase made the right choice in sending him.
@@martinmackye9865 oh he did a great job! By any means! But I 'grew up' watching wrecked bike rebuilds before I ever touched a motorcycle myself. That dude is a legend to me, so yeah, he does kind of has that nudge that makes me rather look at Chase. The all-founding-father of my motorcycle religion 🫡❤️😂
Wow! Talk about fixation. I think some pulling of legs is taking place here.
Who tf is this guy and why does he think his word is worth anything for a review ?
Yamaha slowly dying
Why?
Google is not hard "Yamaha remains the number one selling brand, followed by Honda, Kawasaki, and KTM."
Its design isn’t reviving many hearts for sure but to say Yamaha is slowly dying is so wrongly stated given the fact that this brand sells so many of their lineup let alone the R1M,R1,R6(track version)R7,R3…
@Takolangthasa you don't even know why you said that, do you 🤣
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