What is Section 230?

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2021
  • In this installment of "dot.LA Explains," we tackle the question at the heart of the social media moderation frenzy -- what is Section 230?
    In the wake of the pandemic and the election, social media platforms are under fire to take a more active role in online content moderation. But at the heart of this matter is a little known piece of legislation called Section 230. So what is it, and how might changes to it impact the future of the internet? dot.LA Chief Host and Correspondent Kelly O'Grady runs through some key points.
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  • @mattmatt2417
    @mattmatt2417 3 года назад

    Long Version:
    Section 230, doesn't involve illegal activity, meaning if its against the law, its against the law, but at the same time, you can't sue Walmart for something, someone else says/did, in one of their stores, or you can't sue Walmart for parent neglect/if your child gets abducted in Walmart, you can't sue Walmart, or if your child gets abducted, in a city, you can't sue the city, you also can't prosecute someone, for someone elses actions.
    All of these people are saying don't moderate, then they want you to moderate.
    I'm not trying to discredit what happened, but at the same time, this kids parents/parents in general, should be paying attention to their children more, IF they didn't/don't want them doing certain things on the internet.
    Routers have A LOT of parent controls, built into them/you can block sites,words in searches and so on.
    These are things I've been saying about section 230/Trump/anyone that didn't/doesn't understand section 230, I guess now Biden, old people/people in general DEFINITELY NEED, to get educated, when it comes to technology.
    I know this is a A LOT, but this is a complex subject/A LOT of people don't realize what the ACTUAL impact of removing section 230, would actually be.
    They will be surprised to find out, that by removing it, just causes MORE censorship.
    Part of section 230 protects these platforms from what their users say/do, IF they don't banned them/delete these accounts, the platform could get in trouble, because of their users, the only thing they can do, is delete/banned the accounts, this action would be forced on them, because section 230, no longer exists.
    ALSO A LOT of this is driven by ad revenue as well, meaning IF a certain company doesn't want certain info/posts affiliated with their ads, the company will remove it/work with their customers/demonetize the video/not promote it/become MORE like what their customers want.
    Were not the customer, were the product/our data, is the product.
    The customers are the ones paying for ads.
    Look at RUclips's Algorithm/how RUclips changed, because of the companies that were purchasing/buying ads.
    Another thing that would MOST LIKELY happen, would be social media posts, would take time, to be reviewed, before the post would become viewable, as well, meaning, EVERY POST, that goes on platforms, will have to be reviewed, BEFORE anyone can see them, because companies/platforms would be responsible, for what their users are posting.
    Either by a person or Algorithm/AI.
    Also like I've said before, company policy, may ALSO go into effect, meaning something like no shirt no shoes, no service, no mask you can't enter the building.
    So rules would NEED to be shown again, for the specific platform.
    Also user agreements MAY need revising, to cover the platforms/companies/company policy/you agree to these terms/conditions/rules/user agreement, which you agree to, before accessing a site/an app.
    I also don't want the US to turn into China/China needs a VPN, because they can't access certain sites, in their region, because their country/government has blocked certain sites, because China's government ONLY wants their news/info able to be seen/heard/their propaganda to be pushed.
    With a VPN YES it HELPS mask your identity/IP Address, BUT, it also allows you to access/connect to servers, in other countries/Regions, allowing you to view content, not available in your area.
    VPNs are used in this way, for other things as well, IF a certain shows not available on Netflix, in your region, you can connect to a server, in another region/country, to get access to that show, or in this case, be able to hear/see news on other platforms, other than the ones China is trying to push propaganda on.
    This isn't a HUGE issue, in the US, YET, BUT if section 230 was removed, this COULD POTENTIALLY happen here/we could be fed ONLY what certain parties/companies/people want you to hear/be even more censored, by company policy/companies/platforms, trying to protect them selfs/moderate/Algorithms/AI, meaning by removing section 230, we get the OPPOSITE effect, that we think we will, MORE CENSORSHIP will happen, its counter productive.
    Also section 230 goes A LOT further than people think it does/has A LOT more effects than people think it does.
    MEANING/an example our ISP/the company you use for internet, right now, isn't responsible for what you post on the Internet, because of section 230, but without section 230, your internet provider would need to censor you, to protect them selves.
    EVEN MORE than A LOT of these companies/platforms already need to/EVERYTHING on the internet would need to be moderated, so the companies/platforms wouldn't get in trouble, from what their users say or do, ALL while keeping their customers/companies/people paying for ads happy as well, AND thats where user agreements AND Company Policy, would have to come in, no shirt, no shoes, no service/if you don't wear a mask, you can't enter SOME companies, rules and regulations.
    Anyway like I said, Donald Trumps gonna get the OPPOSITE effect he wants, because he doesn't understand the problem ENOUGH, to handle it.
    Section 230,is a problem, BUT I think if a politician/Donald Trump changes/alters it, it will/would be a really bad thing.
    Trumps 230 conquest, is not going to help him spread propaganda, meaning, instead of twitter/all social media temporarily banning/letting people know, the infos not true, they will just ban/delete his entire account.
    The bad part, is, how its actually going to effect other people/how its going to stop protecting creators/comments MOST LIKELY, will have to be turned off, on RUclips, because creators will start being responsible, for what people comment, on your videos, ALSO it MIGHT take an hour/longer, for your tweet/Facebook post/youtube comment, to post, because it will have to be reviewed, by an employee/admin, before it becomes Visible, to the public/before its posted to your profile/under the video.
    Another example Marijuana, it may be legal in your state, to smoke marijuana, but if you work at a certain company, that company, MAY have a rule saying, you can't smoke marijuana/do drugs/you may be subject to a drug test.
    Its a pointless battle, for him and he's just hurting other people in the process.
    Also like I've said before, algorithms need to be changed as well, some of the algorithms, in the past, had baisicly just pushed what evers popular, not taking into account, that the info, is not true.
    Anyway this is a MUCH BIGGER problem than someone like Donald Trump can handle.
    ALSO I'm glad SOMEONE is stopping him from spreading propaganda.
    Also it will be interesting to see what they can ACTUALLY do, when it comes to Algorithms/AI.
    Also Algorithms aren't perfect, so SOME things would need appealing, just like copy right strikes on youtube,BUT This ALSO ALL comes down to ad revenue as well/SOME companies don't want their ads on videos talking about certain things, these websites/platforms NEED to make money, so your video gets demonetized AND your channel doesn't get pushed/promoted, because your video/videos aren't making money/approved by the companies PAYING for ads, baisicly its business.
    Also SOME of this is to prevent misinformation as well.
    I also realize SOME of the Algorithms are designed to push content, that has A LOT of views, no matter if the information is correct or not, meaning, IF it gets A LOT of views/interest, it gets pushed, is what the Algorithm does/did.
    Other Algorithms also screen explicit content/maybe a post that MIGHT offend someone/that may not be appropriate.
    Also primarily sites push information, they think you will like, YES popular content, BUT also things they think, you MAY like, based on your browsing history/the videos you've watched in the past/your shopping history/the places you've been, their primary goal, is to keep you engaged/on their site, as long as possible, the only thing that superseds this, is their customers/the companies/people that are paying for ads, because without them, they can't operate/make money, SO platforms/companies will modify their sites, to make their customers happy.
    They could also claim, they are not biased, this is just a reflection of their customers/our customers don't want certain content, where certain ads are/some of this content conflicts with our customers ads.
    OR they MAY do nothing, because their user agreement/TOS/Terms Of Service, that their users agree/agreed to, before using their apps/websites/servers/services, covers them/ that states, that their users/no one can sue them/along with A LOT of other stuff as well.
    The people that are going to fix this, are programmers/developers/people that deal with data/Algorithms.
    Anyway the current system isn't perfect, BUT if president Trump wants to change it, its probably to push propaganda, so thats not good either, even though, he's going to end up doing the opposite, of what he wants, because, he doesn't understand, ENOUGH, to handle the situation.

  • @mattmatt2417
    @mattmatt2417 3 года назад

    This is a newer side of it, FOR SOME PEOPLE, this goes into how companies, that are doing business, with these companies, ALSO have to follow these companies TOS/Terms Of Service,User Agreements and Company Policies.
    Meaning, IF you have controversial ideas, MAYBE, you should have your OWN servers/not pay another company for cloud servers, binding you to ANOTHER agreement/TOS, if you want something like this, you need your OWN, physical servers/Website, APP and browser, IF Duck duck go/Opera, doesn't work for you. Also either a store or just allow your APK, to be downloaded, from your website.
    ALSO, IF you have an idea/platform/APP, that has no censorship/moderation/that violates A LOT of companies TOS/Terms Of Service/User Agreements/Company Policy and so on, MAYBE OPEN SOURCE/FREE SOFTWARE/ALSO Linux/different distros, WOULD be a good option, IF thats where your business NEEDS to be, BECAUSE, it violates MOST companies, Terms Of Service/Company Policy/User Agreements and so on.
    Richard Stallman liked/likes free software, free as in, you are allowed to modify the code, not free as in price, that MAY be something you MIGHT want to look into as well.
    Also Parler CAN still have their APP, on the Play Store/Apple Store and their servers, BUT they need to moderate better/change WHAT EVER, it is thats violating TOS/ Terms Of Service.
    Another example, when SOME RUclips channels don't fit/conform to RUclips properly, A LOT of creators turn to patreon and MAYBE sponsors.
    Anyway OTHER OPTIONS are out there.
    You can't violate these companies TOS/Terms Of Service,User Agreement or company policies.
    You can do what ever you want on your own website/servers, BUT I suggest, the company should ALSO be careful with that too, also your APP can TECHNICALLY be side loaded, to devices, IF Android/Google or Apple doesn't notice, because its their OS/Operating System, BUT technically you should be good, just have instructions on your site, how to become a developer/tap build number 7 times and enable your device to side load the APP or allow the APK to be downloaded/installed, from your website.
    If Parlers not figuring out simple things, like TOS/they didn't realize this, they DEFINITELY don't realize whats going to happen NEXT.
    They will NEED to keep their servers out of the US/ at the least VPNs/re-routing traffic, will help, for their CURRENT problems OR have your OWN servers, in the right area.
    Meaning Parler has to also follow laws, so the government doesn't shut them down, or at the least keep their servers out of the US/register their business somewhere else.
    ALSO doing things this controversial, I would DEFINITELY code in a language that can EASILY be scaled/moved/MAYBE Java, along with the NORMAL stuff, HTML,CSS,PHP,Java Script, Python, MAYBE also C, IF needed AND so on, anyway it needs to be a company/code that can really adapt, to any situation, QUICKLY.
    Also Parler needs a serious look at security as well, their platform is TERRIBLE, when it comes to security.
    Anyone debating about using Parler, I would advise them not to, because of their security issues.
    Hopefully this helps them/points out OTHER problems though, meaning, once they get their own servers, IF their in the wrong areas/IF their not using VPNs and so on, they will STILL be having issues/the government could shut them down, IF they don't think first.

  • @mattmatt2417
    @mattmatt2417 3 года назад

    Short Version:
    I just want people to understand more about section 230, before they decide that they want to remove it completely.
    At the end of the day, they are a business, they can have what ever company policy they want/TOS/Terms Of Service/User Agreement they want, they own the servers/accounts/APPs, the users aren't paying for the service, the customers/Companies/people paying for ads are, we are the product/we are giving our data up, that they sell, so we can use their services, we don't have to use their services/servers/apps, if we don't want to.
    If you go in Walmart and run around yelling and screaming profanity, Walmart will escort you out/ask you to leave/they MAY ban you from the store, because you violated company policy.
    Also these companies need to keep their customers/the companies/people paying for ads, happy as well, by removing certain content/keeping profanity out/trying to make sure contradicting information/content isn't beside/around customers ads, ALSO SOME of their customers MIGHT NOT want fake news all over their site.
    Also without section 230, user agreements/TOS/Terms Of Service, would have to protect these companies, because companies COULD get sued, because they would be liable, for what their users say and do.
    It could be for something as crazy/simple as, someone going on to Amazon and leaving a bad review on a product.
    ALSO ISP/Internet Service Providers, would ALSO be responsible, for what we do on the internet/they could also be sued, for what we say/do on the internet.
    Point being is, this is just going to cause more censorship.
    Anyway we don't have to use these services, if we don't want to.

  • @mattmatt2417
    @mattmatt2417 3 года назад

    This is how these companies protect their selfs in the future.
    These companies have to moderate, because these companies NEED to make money/be SOMEWHAT family friendly, for their customers/companies/people paying for ads.
    So their ONLY choice, in general, BUT DEFINITELY without section 230, is to moderate EVERYTHING, well everything that violates Terms Of Services/User Agreements/Company Policy.
    Also The User Agreement,TOS and Company policy was created to protect that specific company/that individual company, meaning that company can make what ever decisions they want, about their own company/private property/servers.
    Another example, if I have guest over at my house and I set rules for them, they have to follow those rules, but I don't, I could also choose to enforce those rules, how ever I want to, meaning, if I have a close friend, I can tell them, they don't have to worrie about that, or I can say, if you pay this much, those rules don't apply to you, or I could have a separate contract with an individual company, where they get another version of TOS.
    Heres some more examples of how section 230 doesn't matter as much, as people think it does, well it does, if you don't want to be censored, but if censor ship doesn't bother you, repealing section 230, won't effect you.
    If section 230 is removed, user Agreements/Terms Of Service and company policy will protect these companies, the ones, we ALL agree to, when we access/use these companies websites/apps.
    Also these companies can claim they are not biased, the censorship is a direct reflection of their customers/the people buying ads, don't want certain content around their ads.
    Also EVERYTHING will be moderated/censored, EVEN MORE, IF section 230 gets removed.
    You can't go to Walmart yelling and screaming profanity, without getting thrown out and MAYBE even banned from the store, because of company policy, no shirt no shoes, no service; no mask, you can't enter the building.
    Also as another example have you ever read what you sign when you go to the Dentist?
    Some of what that says, basically says, if we break your jaw/deform you, we are not responsible and you can't sue the company or employee.
    Also to go a little further with that, Amazon, to protect them selfs, from law suits/reviews on their websites that are bad, companies would have to have an agreement, with these companies, meaning, if you want your product at Walmart/Amazon, you will need to agree to this, then that product would be approved, meaning that company can no longer sue Amazon/Walmart, for a bad review, a buyer/user leaves.
    This would protect the company from what the user says and does AND this would protect the companies selling other companies products as well.
    This could also go further, with website agreements too, meaning your ISP/Internet Service Provider, would ALSO be responsible for what you say and do, on the internet, so, certain sites would be on an approved list, based on their user agreements/you would have access to some websites, that are approved and some websites, you can't access.
    So MORE censorship.

  • @mattmatt2417
    @mattmatt2417 3 года назад

    If you/we don't like their business practices, about all you can do, is not do business with them/not use their services.
    Delete your Facebook/Whats App,Amazon/Alexa/ stop controlling your lights/security cameras/autonomous vacuums/autonomous lawnmowers/sprinkler system/TVs/Fans/Coffee Makers/door locks/voice controls and fast shipping/Convenience, can be no more, Firesticks/show devices,Apple/Facetime/Itunes/Apple TV/ phones/computers,Google/RUclips/Android/Gmail/DUO/Hangouts/Chrome/Chrome Cast/phone/Computers,instagram,Twitter,Microsoft/Windows10/teams/skype/outlook/office/Xbox and so on, accounts/Apps/stop using their devices, delete your accounts, thats about all you can do.