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To use an American baseball saying the Dutch have been knocking the ball out of the park with frigates since the late 1960s. I can't wait to see the next generation. Plus it has a main gun that can hurt something.
From what our naval spokesman has said they are looking to vastly reduce crew size by increasing automation and networking. Video is called: ''Dutch Naval programs: Renewing the entire Royal Netherlands Navy Fleet'' by the Naval News channel.
Its kinda because we have no choice as a country. We have our own small and specialised shipbuilding industry, world class radar and fire-control systems made domestically, but that is about it. We have to buy everything from propulsion to armaments to a lot of electronics abroad and integrate it. That means shopping around for what is best. We can't just rely on a single country for supplies and we don't. It can be German, British, Italian, American etc. But it has to work. Because if a design fails, the KM knows they are not getting a replacement for decades. There is no money for that. The money that is there, is spend on trying to be top tier with a shoestring budget, and often succeeding in that. To achieve that, means direct involvement from the KM into the designs and doing a lot of in house development or development with direct cooperation with the small industrial base. At the same time, industry also needs to cooperate, because if they lose out on contracts, they will collapse. That combination is how we get such great ships every time for limited budgets. Its basically a pressure cooker where failure isn't an option.
Yeah our frigates are basically destroyers, but due to political reasons it is easier to build more frigates than destroyers, because Frigates sound cheaper so yeah. But I agree our 'frigattes' are definitely on point. It helps that The Netherlands builds their own Radars, which are currently best in NATO.
Great minidoc as always! And my compliments to your pronunication of the Dutch names, it seems you actually did some research there (unlike most youtubers).
As a Dutch man who dislikes 99% of his country, let me be the first to say our naval stuff is GOAT for about 500 years. It's just the scale that is lacking the last 250 years.
The Netherlands will not cooperate with Germany for the development of the F127 for the German navy. The German navy will most likely choose the MEKO A-400 from tKMS. The radar systems and combat management systems will most likely come from the United States. Rumors have it that the German navy will choose the SPY-6 radar and the AEGIS combat system. The cooperation with the Netherlands will end after the F126, which was designed by the Damen shipyard in the Netherlands.
@@joostprins3381 Not the point though. Most European nations hesitate to classify their large frigates as destroyers, although ships like the LCF really ride the line and are basically regarded as destroyers within NATO. Their predecessor where considerably smaller: Tromp class only clocked just below 4400 mt full load, and the Jacob van Heemskerck class only was 3750 mt full load.
Ship Classification systems are one of the things some countries never agree on completely for some calling them Frigates makes it easier to justify the creation of the vessel to the people controlling the purse strings on the Navies budget others they're specialist Air Defense ships whipe some theyre high end jack of all trades etc.
"however the modernisation of the 7 provinciën class may *cause* delays..." I doubt it. I think those delays are already expected based on the experience... Besides it may be that the Navy may need more hulls. In that case the 7 Provincien class will just serve longer. On the other hand, NL has a history of upgrading a weapon system and almost immediately afterward discard it.....
De Zeven Provincien class also can have other helicopters land such as a Apache and even a F-35 VTOL if it really needed to. That GOALKEEPER system is btw so powerful and effective that when it was launched they had America fire LIVE missiles at the ship. Not a single one got trough and were destroyed by it's AA capability. That includes the main gun (which isn't the same as the Canadian ship one, this is a upgraded gun)
Actually these guns DO come from the canadian ships. They were sold back to the factory, where the Dutch bought them for these LCF (Dutch) / ACF (English) ships.
replacing goalkeeper with a missiles is a bad idea as goal keeper can shoot down swarms and surface targets while the missile replacement cant go either of those issues
Its not a bad idea. Firing a burst of 30mm bullets already costs more than a missile. So replacing the Goalkeeper with the Rolling Airframe Missile would prove appropriate. Not to mention, its accurate and can track and fire at multiple targets. Also, drone swarms and missile swarms won't be common in naval combat. AShMs can easily sink modern warships in two or three salvos so firing multiple would deplete your missiles easily, which would be useful if new enemies arrive. Drones can't be used at sea due to its limited range.
@@itzyaboimemez2074 yes but our systems are meant to shoot down single and small groups of missiles. China and India are already putting drone carriers to sea and Iran already has a fleet of unmanned sea drones so a goal keep missile system is better in many ways all you have to do to defeat that system is have more drones than missiles and the goal keeper can engage sea targets too and small boats in swarm attacks. so not common yet it will be especially as the lessons of war in Ukraine show that the concept is possible.
@@robertmaheu7583 Their drone carriers are limited to their EEZ. If they sent them to open sea, say the Pacific, and engage an American carrier strike group? They would be pretty much useless. Drones have limited range (a quarter of a fighter jet's range) due to their fuel capacity. As such, they would have to close the gap between them and the US CSG. Meanwhile, The US CSG would be tracking them on radar and already sent a strike force of F/A-18E/Fs or F-35Cs or just anti-ship missiles. But, hypothetically, what if they got close and sent a drone swarm? Easily shot down by SM-2, SM-3, ESSM and CAP fighters. But, another hypothetical, what if they got pass the wave of SAMs and fighters? The Phalanx can hit them but it is also limited in range and fires widely to hit one enemy. Whereas the RAM can hit targets farther than the Phalanx with precise accuracy. In air defense, you have to take out your attacker before it reaches you. Gun-based CIWS can't provide that defense properly because they are not 100 percent capable of shooting down missiles. But for the RAM, it can reach that point. Modern missile guidance systems has reached to a certain point that missiles can track, lock, and hit drones with precise accuracy. And the RAM, being a close-in weapon system designed for hitting small to medium size missiles, can provide that maximum 100 percent air defense. The Netherlands chose the RAM because they are using them for their AIR-DEFENSE frigates close to their shores. Besides, the new 5 inch gun is going to provide short-ranged defense from a few yards.
Hello, first of all I really enjoy your channel. Just one question what happened to your video on the Japanese Atargo,Maya,Kongo class destroyers? Keep up the good work!! 🙂👍
I wouldn't be to sure about that. Yes we bought 6 new frigates (2 for belgium, and 4 for the netherland) but I think this present class of the 7 provinces will be mothballed for a few years. (A big if) IF we are lucky we see one of them end up in den helder at the museum. Just like the walrus class sub marines hopefully. ( they should since it's the last 100% dutch build subs) but I wouldn't be surprised that they will be mothballed first. We have seen this before. (Ww2, ship being decommissioned, and later recommissioned) like the cruiser gelderland and a lot of out gun boats and torpedo boats. Also a big BUT if our goverment smels monet they properly get sold, like we did in the past to Argentina, Chile, Greece, Portugal and Indonesia. Like the first cruisers build after ww2 de ruiyter and de zeven provincièn, and the friesland and holland class destroyers.
I don't think SM-3 has been confirmed yet. The last I heard the Royal Netherlands Navy was debating whether to go for the SM-3 or SM-6. Personally, I am in favor of the SM-6 as it can protect the ship against ballistic and hypersonic missiles, unlike the SM-3 which is only meant for shooting down long range ballistic missiles.
There also seems to be some murmurs about ditching the US made SM family in favour of (new) MBDA products. The Netherlands is starting to participate in MBDA development projects like an anti hypersonic missile. The Dutch contribution seems to be focuses on radar and fire control systems. What I am suspecting is that their might be a big deal incoming with the KM switching to MBDA missiles and European countries buying Thales Netherlands radar systems.
The SM-2 and Harpoon are outdated missiles and would be intercepted by most modern anti missile defenses. Adding the SM3 and the SM6 would be better. ESSM is also still a good missile for defense.
All those updates will be very expensive, it's replacing everything except the hull. lol Btw aShm at cruising speed is only subsonic but when approaching the target the speed goes up. And cold war 2? Well there is Russia but I don't think it's a threat to NATO. China is even superior to Russia especially in their naval forces.
china is almost as corrupted as russia regarding their military just look at the recent discoveries of missiles being filled with water instead of fuel
Frigate vs Destroyer is debated. In this wikipedia article the 7 Provinciën class is designated as destroyers, due to size and armament. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate
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I understood all the dutch pronounciations. Respect man.😅
As much as I tried, I didn't. Sorry man. xD
To use an American baseball saying the Dutch have been knocking the ball out of the park with frigates since the late 1960s. I can't wait to see the next generation. Plus it has a main gun that can hurt something.
From what our naval spokesman has said they are looking to vastly reduce crew size by increasing automation and networking. Video is called:
''Dutch Naval programs: Renewing the entire Royal Netherlands Navy Fleet'' by the Naval News channel.
@Hans-v6l Aye, I believe the phrase used was: “Not again?”
Its kinda because we have no choice as a country.
We have our own small and specialised shipbuilding industry, world class radar and fire-control systems made domestically, but that is about it. We have to buy everything from propulsion to armaments to a lot of electronics abroad and integrate it. That means shopping around for what is best. We can't just rely on a single country for supplies and we don't. It can be German, British, Italian, American etc. But it has to work.
Because if a design fails, the KM knows they are not getting a replacement for decades. There is no money for that. The money that is there, is spend on trying to be top tier with a shoestring budget, and often succeeding in that. To achieve that, means direct involvement from the KM into the designs and doing a lot of in house development or development with direct cooperation with the small industrial base. At the same time, industry also needs to cooperate, because if they lose out on contracts, they will collapse. That combination is how we get such great ships every time for limited budgets. Its basically a pressure cooker where failure isn't an option.
Yeah our frigates are basically destroyers, but due to political reasons it is easier to build more frigates than destroyers, because Frigates sound cheaper so yeah.
But I agree our 'frigattes' are definitely on point.
It helps that The Netherlands builds their own Radars, which are currently best in NATO.
Great minidoc as always! And my compliments to your pronunication of the Dutch names, it seems you actually did some research there (unlike most youtubers).
As a Dutch man who dislikes 99% of his country, let me be the first to say our naval stuff is GOAT for about 500 years. It's just the scale that is lacking the last 250 years.
Excellent vid. Thank you 👍
Greets from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, TW.
I've sailed my entire career on LCF ships. I didn't find anything incorrect in this video. Well done!
Very good looking ships. Great video
The Netherlands will not cooperate with Germany for the development of the F127 for the German navy. The German navy will most likely choose the MEKO A-400 from tKMS. The radar systems and combat management systems will most likely come from the United States. Rumors have it that the German navy will choose the SPY-6 radar and the AEGIS combat system. The cooperation with the Netherlands will end after the F126, which was designed by the Damen shipyard in the Netherlands.
It seems to be more a destroyer than a frigate, especially after the mid life update will be done.
The Dutch never cared about class, they just named the class after the first ships name.
@@joostprins3381 Not the point though. Most European nations hesitate to classify their large frigates as destroyers, although ships like the LCF really ride the line and are basically regarded as destroyers within NATO. Their predecessor where considerably smaller: Tromp class only clocked just below 4400 mt full load, and the Jacob van Heemskerck class only was 3750 mt full load.
@@Tuning3434 still, the Dutch never cared about it.
@@Tuning3434 its more on capabilities and mission than tonnage. Its the reason why many large frigates are classified as such.
Ship Classification systems are one of the things some countries never agree on completely for some calling them Frigates makes it easier to justify the creation of the vessel to the people controlling the purse strings on the Navies budget others they're specialist Air Defense ships whipe some theyre high end jack of all trades etc.
"however the modernisation of the 7 provinciën class may *cause* delays..."
I doubt it.
I think those delays are already expected based on the experience...
Besides it may be that the Navy may need more hulls.
In that case the 7 Provincien class will just serve longer.
On the other hand, NL has a history of upgrading a weapon system and almost immediately afterward discard it.....
Do the Brandenburg class next ! She is also getting overhauled!
De Zeven Provincien class also can have other helicopters land such as a Apache and even a F-35 VTOL if it really needed to.
That GOALKEEPER system is btw so powerful and effective that when it was launched they had America fire LIVE missiles at the ship. Not a single one got trough and were destroyed by it's AA capability. That includes the main gun (which isn't the same as the Canadian ship one, this is a upgraded gun)
Actually these guns DO come from the canadian ships. They were sold back to the factory, where the Dutch bought them for these LCF (Dutch) / ACF (English) ships.
Thank you for the response, much appreciated 🙂👍🙂
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*Excellent Video*
replacing goalkeeper with a missiles is a bad idea as goal keeper can shoot down swarms and surface targets while the missile replacement cant go either of those issues
Its not a bad idea. Firing a burst of 30mm bullets already costs more than a missile. So replacing the Goalkeeper with the Rolling Airframe Missile would prove appropriate. Not to mention, its accurate and can track and fire at multiple targets.
Also, drone swarms and missile swarms won't be common in naval combat. AShMs can easily sink modern warships in two or three salvos so firing multiple would deplete your missiles easily, which would be useful if new enemies arrive. Drones can't be used at sea due to its limited range.
Adding to that, modern warships are not always alone when in deployment.
Fair point if it wasn't for the upgraded 127mm Leonardo Main Gun - this will shoot Guided Rounds at ranges far exceeding the 30mm of the Goalkeeper.
@@itzyaboimemez2074 yes but our systems are meant to shoot down single and small groups of missiles. China and India are already putting drone carriers to sea and Iran already has a fleet of unmanned sea drones so a goal keep missile system is better in many ways all you have to do to defeat that system is have more drones than missiles and the goal keeper can engage sea targets too and small boats in swarm attacks. so not common yet it will be especially as the lessons of war in Ukraine show that the concept is possible.
@@robertmaheu7583 Their drone carriers are limited to their EEZ. If they sent them to open sea, say the Pacific, and engage an American carrier strike group? They would be pretty much useless.
Drones have limited range (a quarter of a fighter jet's range) due to their fuel capacity. As such, they would have to close the gap between them and the US CSG.
Meanwhile, The US CSG would be tracking them on radar and already sent a strike force of F/A-18E/Fs or F-35Cs or just anti-ship missiles.
But, hypothetically, what if they got close and sent a drone swarm? Easily shot down by SM-2, SM-3, ESSM and CAP fighters.
But, another hypothetical, what if they got pass the wave of SAMs and fighters?
The Phalanx can hit them but it is also limited in range and fires widely to hit one enemy. Whereas the RAM can hit targets farther than the Phalanx with precise accuracy.
In air defense, you have to take out your attacker before it reaches you. Gun-based CIWS can't provide that defense properly because they are not 100 percent capable of shooting down missiles. But for the RAM, it can reach that point. Modern missile guidance systems has reached to a certain point that missiles can track, lock, and hit drones with precise accuracy. And the RAM, being a close-in weapon system designed for hitting small to medium size missiles, can provide that maximum 100 percent air defense. The Netherlands chose the RAM because they are using them for their AIR-DEFENSE frigates close to their shores.
Besides, the new 5 inch gun is going to provide short-ranged defense from a few yards.
Plss make a vid about the Karel doorman class frigates or de tromp class GW-frigates love this video and you’re content
Ah yes :) And that time when the Dutch had an aircraft carrier ...
Hello, first of all I really enjoy your channel. Just one question what happened to your video on the Japanese Atargo,Maya,Kongo class destroyers?
Keep up the good work!! 🙂👍
Thanks for your interest. We had to remove the video due to copyright issues. We will re-upload it soon.
I wouldn't be to sure about that. Yes we bought 6 new frigates (2 for belgium, and 4 for the netherland) but I think this present class of the 7 provinces will be mothballed for a few years. (A big if) IF we are lucky we see one of them end up in den helder at the museum. Just like the walrus class sub marines hopefully. ( they should since it's the last 100% dutch build subs) but I wouldn't be surprised that they will be mothballed first. We have seen this before. (Ww2, ship being decommissioned, and later recommissioned) like the cruiser gelderland and a lot of out gun boats and torpedo boats. Also a big BUT if our goverment smels monet they properly get sold, like we did in the past to Argentina, Chile, Greece, Portugal and Indonesia. Like the first cruisers build after ww2 de ruiyter and de zeven provincièn, and the friesland and holland class destroyers.
Number one habitual
Also don't forget the treat of the Houthi's in the Red sea.
I don't think SM-3 has been confirmed yet. The last I heard the Royal Netherlands Navy was debating whether to go for the SM-3 or SM-6. Personally, I am in favor of the SM-6 as it can protect the ship against ballistic and hypersonic missiles, unlike the SM-3 which is only meant for shooting down long range ballistic missiles.
SM-6 would be quite versatile weapon as it can also be used as a light anti-ship weapon.
There also seems to be some murmurs about ditching the US made SM family in favour of (new) MBDA products.
The Netherlands is starting to participate in MBDA development projects like an anti hypersonic missile. The Dutch contribution seems to be focuses on radar and fire control systems. What I am suspecting is that their might be a big deal incoming with the KM switching to MBDA missiles and European countries buying Thales Netherlands radar systems.
Nice video! Thanks
Great content... thank you! 🇳🇱
Well done on the Dutch pronunciation, you pulled it off impressively 😅
came into service just after the hmcs city class ships and looks generations ahead
The SM-2 and Harpoon are outdated missiles and would be intercepted by most modern anti missile defenses. Adding the SM3 and the SM6 would be better. ESSM is also still a good missile for defense.
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All those updates will be very expensive, it's replacing everything except the hull. lol
Btw aShm at cruising speed is only subsonic but when approaching the target the speed goes up.
And cold war 2? Well there is Russia but I don't think it's a threat to NATO. China is even superior to Russia especially in their naval forces.
china is almost as corrupted as russia regarding their military just look at the recent discoveries of missiles being filled with water instead of fuel
Very informative video. Thanks
Frigate vs Destroyer is debated. In this wikipedia article the 7 Provinciën class is designated as destroyers, due to size and armament. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate
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No matter the quality of the boat,... It is in the hands of a government that will capitulate to foreign invaders before you can finish saying "zeven Provinciën class"
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Indonesia?
just call it the 7 provinces