About that high resolution mode on the G9, it’s more than just a resolution increase. It works by using the stabilization hardware to shift the sensor by half pixel in 8 directions, then merging. This does two things. First, it essentially backs off the Bayer interpolation necessary for all color cameras. The result is higher color or hue resolution per pixel. Second, the eight frame merge reduces effective sensor noise by almost 3 stops. That is significant. For some kinds of photography, the high res mode is a pure win. I use a G9 and a S1R. The S1R high res mode produces ~200MP images of incredible dynamic range from every pixel. 60x40 prints can be jaw dropping.
That's great additional information. I knew it was using the stabilization hardware to do the shifting, but hadn't pieced together the color and noise advantages as well. Very nice! I bet those 200MP images are amazing!
Micro 4 thirds was recently compared with full frame prints at a meter square, so huge! The photographic experts were asked if they could tell the difference; which ones were full frame and which ones were cropped at micro 4 thirds. They could not tell the difference, even when pixel peeping!
M43 is a great platform. Nice compact cameras, glass that is usually smaller than full-frame equivalents, and I really think M43 has some of the coolest software features in their firmware. I actually just sold a 24x26 print that was taken with a GX85!
Thanks for the video. I like to carry my micro 4/3 camera with me when I am shooting landscapes with my medium format or large format cameras. I use the micro 4/3 for scouting, composing, and light metering.
I love my Nikon cameras, but enjoy taking the M43’s out for a spin every once in a while. I really like the way my G9 feels in hand and some of the features it has.
I’m new to photography, I’m just a hobbyist that like to take pictures of family, pets and landscape, not to crazy about video . I’m looking at the LUMIX G85 and the G9 , the difference in price is about $180 or so . Which one would you recommend? Thank you for your help in advance 🙏
I think the G9 would serve you better in the long run. It will certainly meet your current needs and if you get more interested in photography, still support your growth quite well. The G9 has a few more megapixels, dual card slots, is built really well to handle long term use, faster continuous shooting (handy if photographing kids sports), a bette AF system in the G9, and so on. I think it would be worth the extra $180 just so you have a camera that you won't find yourself wanting to upgrade sooner. Hope that helps!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography awesome, thank you so much, that really helps, I was leaning towards the G9 , and you’re right, in the long run the G9 is a better choice. Love your videos, keep up the good work 😄 And thanks for the fast response , I really Appreciate.
It has been a bit since I looked, I don't do much (if any) astro photography, but generally the M43 line has a pretty good lineup of lenses across a variety of manufacturers.
I had the original EM-5 a few years ago. I sold it to help pay for my Z6. I really enjoyed that camera and got a lot of good photos from it. I found the EV to be rather poor though. I nearly pulled the trigger on a GX85 for something small to take on a trip coming up this fall. I ended up going with an old RX100 as it was about half the price.
I like the M43 systems for travel or when I am trying to keep the load light. I like my GX85, nice and small with interchangeable lenses. An RX100 should be just fine for travel though!
1:11 The Four Thirds in the system name has nothing to do with the aspect ratio of the sensor size - that is a common misconception. The name is derived from the imaging area of a Four Thirds sensor being equal to that of a video camera tube of 4/3 inch diameter. The common inch-based sizing system is derived from vacuum image-sensing video camera tubes, which are now obsolete.
Yes! I should have dug just a bit deeper for the source of the name - so many folks seem to indicate it is the aspect ratio of the sensor size! After some folks pointed this out, I found a good link to an Olympus site that has a diagram that helps it all make sense. web.archive.org/web/20110714235957/www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/dslr_7045.htm Thanks for the comment!
Just a bit of clarification, as far as I know Minolta brought out the first IBIS camera the DiMAGE A1 back in 2003, and Pentax released all DSLR with that feature since the K100D back in 2006, it was 2yrs. before MFT introduced to the market. So IBIS is not a thing of MFT, and Pentax used that feature most extensively, most others used in lens stabilization instead.
Good point and I believe that is correct. Even the Nikon Z series full-frame cameras have IBIS today, I believe around 5 stops - compared to the G9's 6.5 stops in an older camera. Appreciate the comment - I always like learning some of the nuances like this!
Good video, but @ 04:57 I appreciate what you are trying to illustrate, but the lens is still a ‘45-150mm ‘ lens. People often mis quote the crop sensor lenses as being a different focal length, when it is the FOV that changes. The 45-150mm lens on your GX85 is still a 45-150mm lens, but the FOV is equal to a 90-300mm lens in FF. I know you know this, and not arguing with You, just stressing it for clarity sakes. I have been watching a few of your Videos, and told myself I was not ‘Subbing’ to any more channels, but I SUBscribed to yours! Stay safe and Happy Shooting! 👍✌📷😊🇺🇸
Very true - and you are correct, clarity is important when discussing topics as it will help people understand things better and reduce confusion in the long run. I appreciate the feedback! And thanks fot the sub! Much appreciated!
For landscape, the GH6 has a handheld 100MP mode that performs voodoo magic on the processing- HIGHLY detailed, great DR, and wonderful colors as long as there's not massive movement. Leave the tripod at home and walk around with tiny M43 lenses.
Being able to use the high-resolution mode handheld would be amazing! I believe some of the Olympus cameras can do that as well. The reduction in weight and bulk that can provide is so cool!
The depth of field is the exact same as full frame … the confusion arises because of the crop sensor. Hang an Apple on a string take a photo with a full frame camera then a Micro 4 thirds camera with the same focal length and aperture but don’t change positions of each camera you’ll get the same depth of field. A classic example is a head and shoulders shot with say a 50mm lens on a full frame camera and then a M4T camera with a 50 mm lens with same f stop but having to move back because of the crop factor on the M4T camera thus changing depth of field.
I have two systems, a full frame Canon with a bag full of glass and two Olympus EM1mkiii with a bag full of glass, The Canon just doesnt get used. i should sell it.
The compactness and weight savings of the M43 system is just so great. With the G9 I have, it feels nice in the hand with its nice, deep grip - but still so much weight and space savings with the size the lenses! They can definitely be a nice setup!
....... and not to forget price, usually lower then other systems, plus smaller filter and lens shade sizes. The only downside as far as I'm concerned is that much of the kit isn't showerproof, but a big coat pocket gets around that easily enough.
That is an excellent point. The smaller filters save money as well. And come to think of it, you don’t need as big of camera bags, etc. either - all adding to overall savings. They’re a pretty great system!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography My GX9 will fit in Domke's smallest canvas bag along with 3 prime lenses, filters, spare batteries, a spirit level, a notebook and pen and my 'phone ..... with a bit of room to spare.
I have the similarly sized GX85 and it packs down so small! It is a great travel camera or for times one is looking to keep weight and size down and still get good photos!
I've been happy with M43, but I can see it possibly being less forgiving. I used a GX85 before the G9 and was able to get some great images with that camera!
There are definitely lots of options out there. I think there are trade-offs with any system really - sometimes in regards to IQ, sometimes in regards to size and weight, sometimes to age and type of technology, and so, and so on. I think the key is to know what use case a photographer will be using, and then knowing which trade-offs are the bigger cons to the person using them. (And a whole element of subjectiveness thrown in there due to some people thinking certain trade-offs or compromises are more or less important than others).
The 4/3 refers to an very old vacuum tube standard used for TV cameras. I don't know why people keep repeating this stuff, the measurements don't even add up. It's smaller than 4 by 3 anyway.
Interesting! Also found a good illustration from Olympus showing a tube with sensor (and measurements) inside. web.archive.org/web/20110714235957/www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/dslr_7045.htm Thanks for commenting!
About that high resolution mode on the G9, it’s more than just a resolution increase.
It works by using the stabilization hardware to shift the sensor by half pixel in 8 directions, then merging. This does two things. First, it essentially backs off the Bayer interpolation necessary for all color cameras. The result is higher color or hue resolution per pixel.
Second, the eight frame merge reduces effective sensor noise by almost 3 stops. That is significant.
For some kinds of photography, the high res mode is a pure win.
I use a G9 and a S1R. The S1R high res mode produces ~200MP images of incredible dynamic range from every pixel. 60x40 prints can be jaw dropping.
That's great additional information. I knew it was using the stabilization hardware to do the shifting, but hadn't pieced together the color and noise advantages as well. Very nice!
I bet those 200MP images are amazing!
Thank you. Your comments about aperture size and defraction really useful. Much appreciated. ❤
Glad the video was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Micro 4 thirds was recently compared with full frame prints at a meter square, so huge! The photographic experts were asked if they could tell the difference; which ones were full frame and which ones were cropped at micro 4 thirds. They could not tell the difference, even when pixel peeping!
M43 is a great platform. Nice compact cameras, glass that is usually smaller than full-frame equivalents, and I really think M43 has some of the coolest software features in their firmware. I actually just sold a 24x26 print that was taken with a GX85!
Thanks for the video.
I like to carry my micro 4/3 camera with me when I am shooting landscapes with my medium format or large format cameras. I use the micro 4/3 for scouting, composing, and light metering.
That's a great use of an M43 camera! A little smaller and still serves a useful purpose!
Brilliant!
Thanks for watching - glad you enjoyed the video!
I have been in and out of M43/Olympus. I am fully invested in Nikon Z8/ZF. For some reason I still want to get back with M43. Love your videos
I love my Nikon cameras, but enjoy taking the M43’s out for a spin every once in a while. I really like the way my G9 feels in hand and some of the features it has.
I’m new to photography, I’m just a hobbyist that like to take pictures of family, pets and landscape, not to crazy about video . I’m looking at the LUMIX G85 and the G9 , the difference in price is about $180 or so . Which one would you recommend?
Thank you for your help in advance 🙏
I think the G9 would serve you better in the long run. It will certainly meet your current needs and if you get more interested in photography, still support your growth quite well.
The G9 has a few more megapixels, dual card slots, is built really well to handle long term use, faster continuous shooting (handy if photographing kids sports), a bette AF system in the G9, and so on.
I think it would be worth the extra $180 just so you have a camera that you won't find yourself wanting to upgrade sooner.
Hope that helps!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography awesome, thank you so much, that really helps, I was leaning towards the G9 , and you’re right, in the long run the G9 is a better choice.
Love your videos, keep up the good work 😄
And thanks for the fast response , I really Appreciate.
No problem! Enjoy the G9 - it really is a great camera!
I have to ask. Who would use f16? Unless your goal was a nice soft image.
Not sure which section of the video you are referring to?
Are you able to find Fast lenses?
It has been a bit since I looked, I don't do much (if any) astro photography, but generally the M43 line has a pretty good lineup of lenses across a variety of manufacturers.
I had the original EM-5 a few years ago. I sold it to help pay for my Z6. I really enjoyed that camera and got a lot of good photos from it. I found the EV to be rather poor though. I nearly pulled the trigger on a GX85 for something small to take on a trip coming up this fall. I ended up going with an old RX100 as it was about half the price.
I like the M43 systems for travel or when I am trying to keep the load light. I like my GX85, nice and small with interchangeable lenses. An RX100 should be just fine for travel though!
1:11 The Four Thirds in the system name has nothing to do with the aspect ratio of the sensor size - that is a common misconception. The name is derived from the imaging area of a Four Thirds sensor being equal to that of a video camera tube of 4/3 inch diameter. The common inch-based sizing system is derived from vacuum image-sensing video camera tubes, which are now obsolete.
Yes! I should have dug just a bit deeper for the source of the name - so many folks seem to indicate it is the aspect ratio of the sensor size! After some folks pointed this out, I found a good link to an Olympus site that has a diagram that helps it all make sense.
web.archive.org/web/20110714235957/www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/dslr_7045.htm
Thanks for the comment!
Sorry, but T. W. Is correct, and no doubt a knowledgeable person. 👍
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Good reply and thanks for the link, that should help others. 👍
Just a bit of clarification, as far as I know Minolta brought out the first IBIS camera the DiMAGE A1 back in 2003, and Pentax released all DSLR with that feature since the K100D back in 2006, it was 2yrs. before MFT introduced to the market. So IBIS is not a thing of MFT, and Pentax used that feature most extensively, most others used in lens stabilization instead.
Good point and I believe that is correct.
Even the Nikon Z series full-frame cameras have IBIS today, I believe around 5 stops - compared to the G9's 6.5 stops in an older camera.
Appreciate the comment - I always like learning some of the nuances like this!
Good video, but @ 04:57 I appreciate what you are trying to illustrate, but the lens is still a ‘45-150mm ‘ lens. People often mis quote the crop sensor lenses as being a different focal length, when it is the FOV that changes. The 45-150mm lens on your GX85 is still a 45-150mm lens, but the FOV is equal to a 90-300mm lens in FF. I know you know this, and not arguing with You, just stressing it for clarity sakes.
I have been watching a few of your Videos, and told myself I was not ‘Subbing’ to any more channels,
but I SUBscribed to yours! Stay safe and Happy Shooting! 👍✌📷😊🇺🇸
Very true - and you are correct, clarity is important when discussing topics as it will help people understand things better and reduce confusion in the long run. I appreciate the feedback!
And thanks fot the sub! Much appreciated!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thanks for your reply, and You're Welcome, Jeffrey!
For landscape, the GH6 has a handheld 100MP mode that performs voodoo magic on the processing- HIGHLY detailed, great DR, and wonderful colors as long as there's not massive movement. Leave the tripod at home and walk around with tiny M43 lenses.
Being able to use the high-resolution mode handheld would be amazing! I believe some of the Olympus cameras can do that as well. The reduction in weight and bulk that can provide is so cool!
The depth of field is the exact same as full frame … the confusion arises because of the crop sensor. Hang an Apple on a string take a photo with a full frame camera then a Micro 4 thirds camera with the same focal length and aperture but don’t change positions of each camera you’ll get the same depth of field.
A classic example is a head and shoulders shot with say a 50mm lens on a full frame camera and then a M4T camera with a 50 mm lens with same f stop but having to move back because of the crop factor on the M4T camera thus changing depth of field.
Great explanation! Thank you!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography
Thanks and I love your photos : Martin from Scotland 👍
I have two systems, a full frame Canon with a bag full of glass and two Olympus EM1mkiii with a bag full of glass, The Canon just doesnt get used. i should sell it.
The compactness and weight savings of the M43 system is just so great. With the G9 I have, it feels nice in the hand with its nice, deep grip - but still so much weight and space savings with the size the lenses! They can definitely be a nice setup!
....... and not to forget price, usually lower then other systems, plus smaller filter and lens shade sizes. The only downside as far as I'm concerned is that much of the kit isn't showerproof, but a big coat pocket gets around that easily enough.
That is an excellent point. The smaller filters save money as well. And come to think of it, you don’t need as big of camera bags, etc. either - all adding to overall savings. They’re a pretty great system!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography My GX9 will fit in Domke's smallest canvas bag along with 3 prime lenses, filters, spare batteries, a spirit level, a notebook and pen and my 'phone ..... with a bit of room to spare.
I have the similarly sized GX85 and it packs down so small! It is a great travel camera or for times one is looking to keep weight and size down and still get good photos!
In my experience, m43s is fully capable of producing high quality photos. HOWEVER, m43s is much less forgiving of sloppy technique.
I've been happy with M43, but I can see it possibly being less forgiving. I used a GX85 before the G9 and was able to get some great images with that camera!
Buy a used:
Nikon D810 & a 28mm AFD. £500-600
36mp & full frame sensitivity.
Don't cut too many corners, just because it's small & bit lighter.
There are definitely lots of options out there.
I think there are trade-offs with any system really - sometimes in regards to IQ, sometimes in regards to size and weight, sometimes to age and type of technology, and so, and so on. I think the key is to know what use case a photographer will be using, and then knowing which trade-offs are the bigger cons to the person using them. (And a whole element of subjectiveness thrown in there due to some people thinking certain trade-offs or compromises are more or less important than others).
@JeffreyTadlockPhotography
Full frame bodies can be paired with lightweight Lenses, let's be realistic.
No, that's not the reason for the 43rds name!
The 4/3 refers to an very old vacuum tube standard used for TV cameras. I don't know why people keep repeating this stuff, the measurements don't even add up. It's smaller than 4 by 3 anyway.
Interesting! Also found a good illustration from Olympus showing a tube with sensor (and measurements) inside.
web.archive.org/web/20110714235957/www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/dslr_7045.htm
Thanks for commenting!
@@mathish1477 Yes, we have covered that Mattheus