Is This Oven Flying Blind? | Breville Joule Oven Air Fryer Pro REVIEW (Ep#1)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:07 About me
2:35 Why I think smart appliances have value?
3:00 Dimensions
4:00 Element iQ
6:21 The Joule mobile app and Autopilot
10:42 What do we mean by smart? (Conclusion)
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This is the kind of food/cooking content I’ve been wanting for years!! Love this. Keep ‘em coming.
Sounds like an awesome series. Would be super interested in a review of the Anova Precision Oven (using a wet bulb thermo to more accurately cook) too.
Definitely agree - would love an Anova review
Yes please! It's really exciting to see combi ovens reach the home chef
In my experience the Anova Precision Oven won’t connect to the wifi and use a lot of its smart features that work through the app. I still really like the oven overall though.
Yes I would love to see this review too. I’ve been debating buying one, mainly for the sous vide function to reheat bbq. Haha
@@macksnt my experience also, great oven, awful useless Wi-Fi implementation.
Saw this video pop up today in my subscriber feed and couldn't remember who you were. So gave er a go. It took about 30 seconds of the clean, well polished, entertaining, and informative format to remember exactly why I subscribed after watching one video froom you. Keep it coming!
Great video! Looking forward to the rest of the series!
My GE microwave from 2005 finally crapped out. At first ruclips.net/user/postUgkxO_Bc204MGjxDl87cOKcdgaRhzSqGmv_g I was unsure because I was looking for something with the exact same features. Found it with this one. Interior space cavity was large, but the outside was smaller than my old one. I love the one-button push for 1-6 minutes, and the 30 second add or 30 second start. and MOST IMPORTANTLY, I love how you can adjust the power level during cooking. The reviews said it could not be done, but this marked all the other boxes. and happy to say, it does. I can hit 1 minute start, and change the power level from 10 to 5, 30 seconds in, without interruption. my favorite feature!
I was searching for an oven review and man!!! This is good!!! Thank you for an amazing review.
Love it love it love it! A real cool way to get modernist cuisine approach to youtube in a beatiful format. Well packed science info with professional delivery, thats what im into.
I have the Breville Smart Oven Air Fryer Pro (similar, but less “smarts”) which I ❤. Don’t find it’s too small for most of our cooking needs-can always use my full-sized oven for the holidays. Cooking/proofing performance is superb.
Love the review. Looking forward to the series.
Super appreciate the detail, honesty and perspective in this video!
I can’t wait to see the June Oven video. I’ve been using a 3rd generation June for the last year and been quite happy with it.
This is so helpful! I can’t wait to see the reviews for the other two ovens. In the hexclad video you mentioned you mostly cooked with induction - I’m currently renovating my kitchen and want a good induction stove, but I’ve had a hard time finding accurate/non biased reviews. Would you mind sharing your thoughts? Thanks again Chris and team!
You need to buy a Breville Control Freak. It's pricey but it's precision is amazing. I own two, it's that good.
Great idea. Informing and teaching people what is really going on when using various appliances is very helpful for those wanting to improve their results and enjoy better cooked food. Most appliances have too little information including the smart ovens whether counter-top or in-wall. It's important to not only have sufficient data but the data that actually matters. I am another happy Combustion Inc customer. The thermometer has allowed me more time with my family and guests by reducing the stress of the unknown and the worry about getting the cook just right. I am waiting excitedly for the updates to account for resting time and some of the other upcoming features. I've used them on steaks, racks of lamb, chicken, pork, and fish with great success.
Thank you for this review. BTW, I love my Predictive Thermometer! My 3-5 day "air-dried in the fridge" and roasted in a convection oven chicken with your thermometer is phenomenaly good every time and with the prediction, I know when to have my sides ready.
This is really great, Chris!
At the start of this video, I couldn't imagine ever wanting to take out my phone to use my toaster oven instead of just using the countertop controls. I'm still not sold on the general utility of a simple automatic program, as demonstrated. I can see that they would have some uses. I also now see the potential of integrating new sensors to automate baking.
Using a sophisticated probe thermometer like yours with multiple sensors measuring temperature at the coldest point in the food, at the food surface, and in the air of the oven means the oven can turn off when it's ready without human intervention. The idea of a camera sensor is just as exciting: automatic broiling that turns off when done, before food is overcooked. Perfect for browning, including toasting bread and putting a little char on roast tomatoes.
The ideal of these smart ovens is that they could liberate the cook from having to pay attention to the food as it bakes, or from being right on the spot to turn off the oven when cooking is done. Perhaps the door can even pop open a bit automatically, to release the heat so the residual heat doesn't overcook food if the oven finishes it's cycle when the cook can't immediately remove the food from the oven. The length of cooking may be unpredictable, but if the oven can sense when the food is ready and end cooking, then cooks can put their attention elsewhere. Even walk away and take a break to use the restroom without fear of the food overcooking or burning, whenever it's done.
I'm satisfied with my "dumb" toaster oven right now, but it does requires much observation and intervention on my part to cook food as desired. It often also requires creative thinking to direct heat to different parts of the food. Individually adjustable heating elements would be useful, although they are a feature of some higher-end countertop ovens without "smart" features, like the Breville Pizzaiolo where temperature can be adjusted to direct more heat to the floor or to the edges of the oven (intended for cooking pizza crust).
An oven that reduces the burden of monitoring and adjusting the oven during cooking and delivers desired results more consistently would clearly be an improvement. I'll continue to watch this series and learn about the latest developments in countertop ovens. I'll will want to upgrade if I become convinced that it will improve my cooking. I'll watch to learn if the improved performance available is of enough value for me to justify the expense. The engineering and technology is also impressive in itself.
I applaud the great execution of this video. I appreciated that you immediately addressed your connection to the products, because I was already wondering about it by that point. The presentation was excellent, very clear in communicating complex ideas using quality photography and readily understood graphics. I especially liked that animated chart of temperature data from the thermometer over time from three points. That kind of data is an excellent feature of the thermometer.
These videos on "smart" ovens are a brilliant way to indirectly advertise your thermometer by demonstrating it's utility in actual cooking using new products the same audience would also be interested in. You show that it's only due to the sophistication of your unique thermometer that you are able to inform us so well of the performance of these ovens.
Naturally, I expect this series of videos to progress to a countertop oven integrating the technology of your probe thermometer to measure multiple temperatures inside and outside of the food as it cooks. I look forward to seeing it. I believe that a camera would still be useful, although much more difficult to engineer to work perfectly. But utilizing the full potential of a connected multi-sensor probe thermometer would be a great achievement, even without other sensors checking whether the food is done. An oven that responds to real-time temperature data from points in, on, and outside of the food is a great improvement over the traditional countertop oven that responds to nothing but user input. Other oven technologies like individually adjusted heating elements and heating programs will be much more useful with connected thermometer control.
I do hope that probe thermometer is safe to use at all temperatures the oven is capable of. Otherwise the cook may still need to be present to remove it for a high-temperature baking phase. I also won't be the only one wondering about longevity and concerned about the potential for off-gassing into the food. But temperature limitations are something most dishes and cooks can reasonably accommodate.
The potential of electronic "smart" ovens is obvious to me now. Thank you for teaching me that with this video.
Whoever does your motion graphics is amazing.
Really looking forward to more videos from you!
I've had your sous vide for several years and it never fails me. I even used it outside w temps in the mid 30s and it held temp fine. Love it
That’s wonderful to hear. Thank you for being a customer.
Great video, Chris!
I love this so much, i really hope this video really takes off
Smart(tm) has become shorthand for remote app control, but the only way I'd buy a countertop oven is if it was smart, as in able to cook for me. Excited to see the following reviews, fingers crossed!
Right, everything has an app these days, but other than giving you remote updates or remote control, what is smart about that? Your oven can continue to be as dumb as ever, but you can stay in the living room lol.
Great review. They need to get in touch with you on their next model, to have the option for the oven to integrate with the Predictive Thermometer. I can imagine with the help of
such a thermometer, the oven can be made smarter in controlling temperature, fan speed by predicting carry over temperature.
Nice to see product reviews based in science, instead of conjecture. SUBSCRIBED
Very useful! I know you've planned to review the June and Ninja ovens but was wondering if you'd consider adding the Anova Precision Oven. That seems like a clear/natural option, given that it not only has app control and temperature probe control but also can incorporate steam (even at variable levels throughout the cook). To be clear, the UI on the oven itself is a hot mess! But fortunately, everything can be set and adjusted through the app, which is much easier.
Incredible, thank you Chris. After all the comparisons are done. If you have time, it will be helpful to me to see which one "can" be used most effectively (given the costs etc) as compared to which one works best if you use the programs that it comes with (like if you want to take manual control.
Fantastic work!
Very interesting! Always a pleasant surprise to see you release another video. Will you checking out the anova precision oven at some point too? I’ve kinda been passively curious about it.
Your videos are always well made and concise. I would love to hear your thoughts on the Anova precision oven.
ooo exciting I recently bought a breville smart oven air fryer pro or whatever. I wish this series was out before i decided on getting that one.
Excellent reviews, esp. Stoked on your explanation of 110 US household current maxing out. Also the need for a probe to be truly "smart"
Love the review. Very in depth and lots of technical explanations which I enjoy. With so many advanced ovens out now, it's nice to do a comparison on the benefits each offer. I think you should throw the Anova Precision Oven (APO) in the series as well... even though it doesn't offer the same type of "smart" as say the June... it does allow you to cook multi-stage recipes (where it can roast and sear and such) with probe feedback, similar to how this Breville Joule did. So it is a type of smart. Be interesting to see how the Roast Chicken 101 recipe (or some other simpler hands-off Anova Recipe), compares to the Breville Joule.
In the works. But such a different beast that it needs a review on its own
@@ChrisYoungCooks Agreed, it barely falls in the category of Smart Oven and instead is similar to the Joule circulator in that it has brought a "consumer" style combi oven to the home kitchen. It's absolutely massive, and I'll probably end up getting a built in combi oven once I have my own place, but it is probably one of my most used appliances.
@Cody Brown @Chris Young agreed, would love to see a review of the Anova as well, but it is definitely a different beast, so not sure how you'd really do a "comparative" review. I don't even know if there are any other consumer-grade combi ovens on the market currently.
Excellent video, thank you !!
Great video, thanks! I’ve had a June oven for a few years and love it. Am curious to see how they would compare. Would be even more pumped if they could figure out how to integrate your thermometer.
Speaking of… Bravo! I can’t describe how much I love my predictive thermometer. I’ve tried so many wireless thermometers and they’ve all been “meh” at best and downright frustrating at worst. Yours just works and that’s the highest complement I think I can pay.
June review coming up tomorrow, and episode 4 on Saturday provides the final comparisons.
And I’m so glad to hear the predictive thermometer is doing it’s job. Making it “just work” was one of the most important goals, and I’m glad that’s what you’ve found it does.
Hey Chris, really appreciate your bias disclosure at the start.
You sold me on your predictive thermometer. Just ordered mine.
Excellent, happy to see some data. I have the larger non-smart Breville oven and "air fryer". Extremely happy with it, though I found I preferred having a dedicated air fryer for quicker preheating and easier cleanup. I don't mind a bit of work when cooking, but I'm definitely curious to see how well hands-off "smart" cooking has evolved.
Recommend Friday and Saturday’s episode where I’ll get into air-frying and then provide comparison data.
very good and thorough review ! I wonder why these smart ovens don't integrate with a smart thermometer
Hi Chris,. Really interesting video, thanks.
I'm curious why you're not intending to include the Anova Precision Oven? It feels like it would be right at home.
It’s such a different oven because of its steam injection that I decided it was a completely different review. But it’s in my studio and I’ve been using it. So… coming in the future.
To me the APO is not a "smart oven". Sure, you can control it from your living room and program multistep recipes (some of which are provided), but you still need to know how to cook. It doesn't think for you. (However, it is very useful. I have one of the first ones sold and have given up using my conventional oven.)
@@bostonbesteats364 Devices have a very low threshold to be considered smart. Think of Smart light bulbs. Usually, an internet connection for control or just monitoring is enough. The APO has significant functionality enhanced by its app. I can't see any way it wouldn't be considered smart (by the common usage of the phrase).
I can't wait to see your review of the Anova Precision Oven. That's the one whose claims excite me the most. But, does it deliver?
can you review the anova or fotile combi-oven next?
Really amazing presentation style. For future reviews, can you add metric measurements in brackets for us across the waters please? 😅
Good review! Interesting about how it cooks the chicken.
Not that it really matters for the review but the hydration percent of bread doughs isn't the percent of the total weight of ingredients in the dough. It's only compared to weight of the flour (flour is always 100%) so a 70% hydration pizza dough is only about 41% water: 70% water / (100% flour + 70% water + 1.5% salt + 1% yeast).
We enjoyed our breville oven for a few years but had to throw it away recently. There’s a design flaw (?) with the left door hinge. It engages a contact switch. In my case the contact switch lever broke, maybe because of how the hinge engaged with it. End result is it would turn off after a few minutes. Moral or story, really nice product but like anything something is only as good as its weakest link. Went with a $700 wolf countertop oven….built very well! Since it sees daily use, worth it to us.
Finally, some great f*cking reviews.
I really wish you would test the anova combi oven too.
Does it need to hang over an edge so that the door lays flat? Meaning if in a corner the handle will not lay flat to the bottom of the oven itself? Thx!
Excellent advertising for the Predictive Thermometer ... and an ok review too :)
What might the issues be with the Anova Precision Over...Question : the steam...will there be mold issues ?
I didn't know about the ambient temperature sensor, as a barbecue nerd that seems really useful. I would like to know what's important about that from a smoker point of view. The often cited temperature for smoking is 225-275, however that's not reflective of the temperature around the meat. What temp should we be looking for as ambient around the meat itself for that case?
Any possibility of your reviewing the Anova Combi? Thanks for making these videos - they are super informative!
In the works.
@@ChrisYoungCooks looking forward to it. And have been enjoying my predictive thermometer!
Hey Chris, would you be able to review the newest ninja double oven with flex door smart thermometer vs the joule?
I ended up buying the joule too late 🤦♂️haha
What do you think of the Brava oven?
Thanks, might buy this and I hope Bed Bath Beyond sells this for 50% off
chris you should make a countertop oven of your own .
Hey Chris, great video. Question about your visual presentation, namely how do you and your editors go about adding the augmented reality drawings onto the video? They are fantastic and I imagine very time consuming. Do you guys use an animation app or illustrator of some sort? Or After effects?
After Effects. And, yes, several of these effects were very time consuming.
@@ChrisYoungCooks well worth the effort. Visualizing science (as you are well aware of) is probably what people struggle with the most
An integration between the Combustion thermometer and a smart oven would be amazing for excellent cooking.
99% sure that's the angle of this video, as useful to the consumer as it is.
I wish "smart" devices meant more than "has a phone app". In fact, I wish they didn't ever depend on an app.
Is this model all stainless steel , no any Teflon or polish coding?
Doesn't the probe you inserted into the chicken also help transfer more heat into he chicken during cooking, faster than the oven intended in its "blind" cooking routine? Maybe that's why it overcooked?
I liked seeing the 🌡️in action ❤❤🎉🎉🎉
I love my Breville
I'd love to see how you make these graphics
With the June oven discontinued which would you choose for overall quality, Breville or Ninja? Any others options I should explore?
I still generally prefer the Ninja.
👍🏻
I've owned several of these Breville Smart Ovens. They are very handy and in generally work well, but every single one of them has suffered from the identical defect in that the large round button that turns it on and off always fails and stops turning the oven on and off reliably . . . a hassle when you are trying to turn the oven on, but a safety hazard when you're trying to turn the oven off.
Love your new thermometer but every time i want to use it it is always low on battery just through vampire drain sitting in the cupboard. Would be great if one of these ovens had your thermometer receiver built in and able to cook based on reaching the target true core temp.
A fair complaint. We are working on extending the standby time, although there are limits to what we can achieve with software updates versus sone hardware tweaks.
We’re also working on sone additional charging solutions that I think will be very nice when they’re ready.
I’ve noticed that the air fryer function on this does not at all line up with frozen food specifications. Makes it really hard to figure out how to cook food
I have this oven. I don't like to cook. The autopilot program is fantastic! Put the chicken in and then go do something else! My phone app tracks the process and then turns off automatically. Our chicken was not overcooked.
I think the "smarts" are definitely not the main selling point. Setting that aside I don't think there's a better oven/air frier on the market than the Breville.
if the goal was to emulate a grocery store rotisserie chicken, I think they nailed it at internal temp of 186.
Given your past relationship with breville and combustions open standards, any plans to integrate the two to give the joule more data to be able to intelligently cook foods?
It’s entirely up to Breville. I’m not privy to their plans.
Are there any plans to integrate your thermometer into any "smart" ovens?
I think that's going to be a 'wait around and find out" event (I hope) :)
We’ve made it very easy for appliance companies to integrate support using our open source frameworks (developer.combustion.inc) but at the time of creating these videos, I have no knowledge about what’s going to happen with any of these ovens.
Why on earth would they not include a temp probe? I am looking to buy one of these ovens and I just assumed it came with a temp probe because what kind of smart oven wouldn't....
I have an older Breville Oven (7 years and not smart, but similar design), and I think part of the problem is that it loses a lot of heat out of the top of the door since there is no insulation. Without any food in it, and a thermometer inside, it is 50º F cooler than it is set at.
I observed similar behavior at higher temperatures, and discuss this in the final episode. It’s less to do with insulation and more to do with a poorly design control algorithm IMO. But agree it’s not ideal.
Agreed, it is a leaky door.
Chris, this is an amazing video. I am a new fan. Video has great information and the video was well done. The content is great. I plan on purchasing the Predictive Meat Thermometer at some point. But, Help! I need your help making a decision. I can't make up my mind between the Breville Joule Oven Air Fryer Pro or the Wolf Gourmet Countertop Oven Elite. Are all the features the same? Do they cook the same? I'm ready to buy this week but the ovens seem similar except for the cost at $499.95 vs $749.95, but the Wolf Oven just went on sale for $599.95. I was just about to purchase the Breville today but I just saw the sale on the Wolf Oven. Any input will be very helpful.
I haven’t tested the Wolf oven, but I will say that countertop ovens are Breville’s focus because it’s half their business. Countertop oven’s aren’t Wolf’s primary business and i believe the design and engineering are outsourced to another company.
@@ChrisYoungCooks Thank you for your help! I will keep that in mind when making my choice.
Chris: *quits chefsteps*
Chris: "here's how my former employers oven sucks."
Was never my employer. Sold company and declined being part of the company post acquisition. I’m not really cut out for corporate life…
So what defines a "smart oven"? Is it just that it connects to an app that tells you what the temp is and provides a list of recipes (pretty dumb really)? Or does it actually have to be actually "smart" and adapt to what you are cooking, tell you how to cook it better, predict when it will be complete or cook things autonomously? The Joule here seems "semi-smart"; it's trying to help you cook better but failing and needs your intervention to do a good job (at least on a Chicken).
I think you can guess my opinion.
Ummm that’s not my Combustion app…. When does the graph version release? Want Badly. 😁
Very soon. Was hoping to release by now, but after sone design revisions I think we have about 2 more weeks of work to do.
Didn’t know Breville now owned chef steps. Interesting.
You insert your predictive thermometer until it touches bone? That's a big no-no with traditional thermometers. Interesting.
Yup, just let the algorithm choose the correct sensor, but make sure you’ve pierced beyond the center so that there is no chance of missing.
Ive had 2 june and they both had catastrophic failure within a year
COOKED FOR 2 MORE MINUTES AND IT BURNED!? SHOCKING!
can't imagine a "smart" oven nowadays without an integrated thermometer.
I was going to upgrade from my B0V845 to this model, BUT although it's substantially larger, it has a smaller rack! NO thanks...
I think we can move past the 1980’s Casio watch displays?
Something like the Anova Oven + something like the Combustion probe would be a killer app.
My normal workflow for sous vide in the Anova is:
1. Insert probe near the outside of the meat
2. Cook at higher temp than my target until the outside nears the target. So if I want a 130 steak, I cook at 155 and stop when probe hits 125.
3. Move probe to center of meat, cook at 130ish until done.
Automating this with the Combustion would be amazing, and it would be basically idiot-proof for all skill levels.
Am I crazy for thinking that Breville is crazy for not including a thermometer on this oven?
Who could afford to cook a whole chicken in a Electric oven. The electric used would me more than the price of a cooked chicken at the supermarket.
What? no Anova Precision Oven? Hmmmmm....
It’s such a different oven that it really didn’t fit into this review. But I’m testing it, and there will be a dedicated review.
Why would you want one of these and not just a good quality normal built in oven?
Less energy intensive, doesn't heat up kitchen, preheats incredibly fast. I have the old Breville air fryer oven and a regular oven. I use the Breville about 95% of the time.
Because most people don't have 2 grand to throw around on a whim and these are $500. Because most apartments come with cheap ranges that don't even have convection, let alone smart heat management. Also it's electric and not gas, so you are breathing fewer gas burn byproducts.
I don't trust apps in the slightest. First of all, data sells. Second of all, apps notoriously become abandonware; this also extends to the appliance itself, if it fully relies on a companion app to fully function, the appliance dies once the app dies, and software-based planned obsolescence is a thing and is entirely anti-consumer, as you literally have to hack your own dead device to get it to function once it's abandonware. Third, apps aren't guaranteed to have a consistent UX, updates will just as easily change the UI layout and modify features. App-connected appliances will always be a headache to deal with. Plus making an appliance a closed ecosystem, where everything relevant is part of the appliance itself, no additional devices, and nothing changes unless it's actually broken, is better overall design and much more consumer friendly; every feature that can be built into an app, short of a recipe repository, but every functional feature relevant to the machine should be built into the machine itself, or at least a relevant ecosystem such as having a more advanced thermometer feeding back into the main unit.
Sounds like this man is trying to sell Combustion Thermometers as an accessory to Breville Smart Ovens... and frankly he'd be crazy not to try.
I hate my joule immersion circulator. I guess I don't need to know about this thing. Just give me controls on the appliance. I don't want to have to use your stupid app.
This guy sounds like the talking dog Snuffles on Rick and Morty.
Ill get a "smart" oven the day they give me full programmatic access to controlling every heating element and fan. Let me be the brains, just give me a tool I can actually control with precision.
Would love this too!
But UL would absolutely lose their minds if a manufacturer ever did this. They don’t even want customers to be able to remotely turn an oven on with an app! And very difficult for a mainstream manufacturer to skip getting UL certification.
@Chris Young Fair enough. Even I am scared of app controlled ovens. But let me do it with the knobs haha.
@@ChrisYoungCooks lol. Meh, introduce "custom modes" provided by manufacturer. Then open up the API in a month. 🤣 Or at least IFTTT integration? "if turkey gets to 140F, drop temp to 200F and maintain indefinitely"?
@@Alex-zp9qm company’s lawyers heads go 🤯
Damn. He dogged the company that bought his tech and then offered a solution to fix the problem... Buy more of his tech. Savage.
Just get a Ninja foodi and forget all this sh*te.
I got bored!
I'm curious about your opinion about home combi ovens that claim to improve baking with steam.
Is it even remotely possible that you can design cooking equipment without invading our privacy?