We are already in a big crash Inflation is a catastrophe. This CPI report is a colossal failure. To bring the housing market to a halt, the FED will have to pull all the stops. The unfortunate issue is that other markets are being decimated. If you want to stay green, you have to rely on a lot of diversification. Currently up 14% and being careful. Still a better deal than leaving it in a savings or checking account yielding 0-1 percent interest.
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To answer the title of this video: just buy cards that you like and because it's fun, and if they turn out to be worth anything that's icing on the cake.
With this type of card investments.....the real losers are kids like my son who is 8 years old trying to buy his favorite players. Instead middle aged men are price gouging my son when guys sit at Walmart's and Convenience stores waiting for the truck to unload so they can re-sell them to screw 8 year old kids out of cards.
I’ve never tried to buy a box like that but I hate to say it I’ve heard this before. I’m in my young 30s buying graded cards of my favorite players but I definitely can see how it’d be hard for kids…
That’s sad… I think when they were cheap though a lot of kids just couldn’t afford to collect them all even then sadly. Who knows though perhaps a few kids will get lucky and own an insanely rare card, the thrill will be even higher.
Kids in school can't gamble anymore....most packs are way too expensive for kids and this will ultimately hurt the hobby. It's just gambling and flipping for adults now.
There have always been collectable items. People in the comments really act like this is new, then they go and pay real money for a digital item in a video game.
Grading is a scam, there have been multiple documented instances of grading companies changing grades based on who submitted cards, or calling fake cards real.
@@arunnoe maybe, but thats irrelevant. I had a graded Terry Bradshaw that I sold for almost $300. Ungraded maybe I could have gotten $10 for it. Maybe it's a scam but it doesn't matter since those are the rules you have to play by.
The very first card PSA ever graded was found several years later to be altered by the guy who owned it. But yeah, some collectors believe in that crap. I suppose for vintage cards thst may matter, but some folks sending brand new rookie cards, and sometimes non rookie cards of star players in for grading. High grades for these cards aren't hard to get, and some already have thousands of graded copies, meaning they'll never carry the value of their pre-grading era counterparts, even if the player becomes HOF material.
grading discriminates against everyone in the hobby. it doesn't matter if its not a gem mint its about checking it off your list. psa is bunk anyway I've caught many 10s that were not, so what's the point?
What they didn’t mention is how the industry is pricing out regular collectors like myself. As a teacher, I can’t afford a $200 box of cards. Since the pandemic started, you can’t even find a $20 box of cards at Target or Walmart anymore. Too many people are cleaning them out and selling them on EBay or Facebook Marketplace. It’s sad.
I work for Amazon and can't afford a 200 dollar box of cards. But I've been getting lucky at Walgreens 2020 Update lately. And Big Lots too, if you like Heritage lol
Good investments over time dont go through fad periods of consumerism. This is why the sports card industry had a bust period between the 80s-early 90s boom and this one. Too many people acting as though a mass produced consumer product was like a stock share. With so many of these stupid "card investor" channels popping up on RUclips, many of which are just outlets for pumping certain players, I'm beginning to see folks repeating the same mistake.
I've been in this game a long time. The best way to make money is to invest in older cars of superstars that are in fantastic condition. I don't remember Mickey Mantle cards ever going down in value. Remember Zion Williamson is one career-ending injury away from his cards being worthless.
As a collector and reseller I want more people to buy buy buy because the value has gone so high on unopened boxes that most of these new buyers will realize they are losing money and stop. A $19.99 blaster box now sells for $39.99 and the value isn't there. A $5 card I used to buy is now $20 so it's hurting my collection. As soon as the pandemic is over, people will start to move away from cards.
@@kenshikenji Lol no you invest because the underlying asset produces income. Buying something solely because you think you can sell it to someone for more is speculation buddy.
Great Video. Sports cards have gone wild this year. One thing, if buying active players, don’t be slow to sell them when they have a good year or their card prices go up. Any single active players cards are just a torn ACL or public arrest away from their card prices instantly crashing. So if you’re invested in younger active players, sell when your up!
I have been a collector since I was a kid in the 60's, always for fun not investment, I concentrate on 60's and mid 70's baseball cards for enjoyment only. This is another crash in the making. Look at it this way, a card company prints a card, slaps a piece of a jersey and boom it's value is automatically over $100K? This is not making sense to me.
I started collecting cards in 1954 when I was 5 years old and stopped buying them in the 1980's because there were too many cards being produced. I have most of the old sets and never considered selling them. I am a true collector and not an investor. I think only about 5 % of people today are like that. I have no use for grading and limited edition cards. Most of my old cards are in vg condition and that is good enough for me.
@@alishad.4396 That's sad. says a lot about the economy. Real wages haven't changed since reagan, yet the cost of everything necessary to live has gone way up.
If you are new to the hobby I recommend buying rookies already graded in the highest grade you can afford. If you try and open the packs yourselves and submit them in for grading it can become extremely expensive, take a very long time, and also it's very disappointing when you don't receive the grades you were expecting.
You should have reported on the incompetence, favoritisms, and straight corruption in the grading companies. Cards being purchased graded, cracked open and trimmed and altered then resubmitted for higher grades to boost profits. That’s the whole purpose of these companies, to authenticate and grade. Or where the FBI investigation in these matters currently stands. A graded card compared to a non graded card can fluctuate price from hundreds to thousands. But does the average collector have the same high grades chance as those that are in the “club”. Or maybe a story bout how long it takes for them to grade the avg Joes cards (6 months plus ) compared to others who bulk submit all the time and are in the club. I would like to see a story on these topics.
Most “Investors” or newbie baseball card collectors don’t remember the 1990’s. Investments are only good if you can sell them in hard times. These are for fun.
Graded psa 10 you can get much more but chances are you shoved them all together disregarding condition. There’s a lot of cards out there but there’s not a lot of psa 10s
I have all those mid 80’s mid 90’s donruss and Ken Griffey Jr and Bo Jackson cards the wild cards and all and no one is buying them waste of time and money might as well throw them in the dumpster.
The hobby has always had ups and downs. Topps and others have made fewer cards but many more products (versions) instead of mass producing and flooding the market
@@JusNoBS420 the market is as flooded as it gets. topps had 27 releases not including topps project or online exclusives, panini with 15, its junk wax all over again except the junk is gonna be all the PSA 10s coming back in the summer once everyone sees everyone had the same idea... bubble bust
It’s not a fun time to get back into collecting. Fighting for sealed wax, insane markups on every product on the 2nd market, and card prices changing with every game played. It’s a blood sport out there y’all!
This is true but even retail packs like prizm and hoops have great hits and last year 2020 and the 2019-2020 basketball had great rookie cards. Ive spent about $700 on ripping cards and pretty much have that back and maybe more for what ive ripped and have cards I plan to send into psa. Basically the higher the price for a box of say prizm football, a good players card is going to sell for a lot.
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I had a friend who made a million in the 80s on cards. He had a whole warehouse: fork lifts, an illegal family with a rice cooker sorting---crazy. He kind of went crazy working 24/7. He cashed out and went into gambling counting cards in Vegas. Probably blew it all. Lost touch. Sad though what weirdo adults did to a kids hobby. Remember a girlfriend's kid showing me his card collection: they were all in plastic folders. Pathetic. And these guys are pathetic. Just a symptom of America where everything is commodified. I gave mine to a kid. Made him really happy. Glad to be done with it. These are the kind of guys that would drive around buying up all the hand sanitizer and then turning a profit on Ebay. Little wonder the country's going to hell with reptiles like this. People are getting thrown out on the street and people are buying pieces of cardboard for millions. It's beyond perverse
Loved this. He's exactly right. As a boy I collected sports cards,mostly baseball. It was every boys hobby then! I recently accumulated a full,high grade '61 set,because I can now afford it. I hope kids can renew this enthusiasm for the hobby.
If I had a time machine, I would take $5000 with me and go back to 1971 and buy as many Topps baseball cards as I could. That set never decreases in value
Best for investing: 1-High end graded VINTAGE cards 2-Unopened material (generally older, with some exceptions). Anyone thinking how collecting NOW is going to remain that way, you must've just gotten into it.
I've been in and out of this hobby since 1986. Happened to travel to Atlantic city NJ the same weekend as the sports card national a couple of years ago. I had the chance to meet David Liner in this video. One of the greatest baseball card moments. Sitting talking Baseball cards with a industry icon.
The company's greed didn't destroy anything. The public's greed did. Cards during the junk wax era weren't overproduced, as dealers bought them from the companies. They were overhoarded by people who took a blind eye to the laws of supply and demand. Factory sealed sets and 50 count lots of rookie cards don't accrue much value when everybody does it and some folks get bored and start dumping stuff. The same is going to happen to these people holding graded slabs of Zion, Luka and Mahomes, even if they have HOF caliber careers.
Ive been collecting baseball/basketball/football and hockey packs/boxes/cases since 1976. I could not even venture a guess how many cards, unopened boxes and cases I have. One bedroom is filled floor to ceiling. They are not as valuable as they used to be. Now it will cost you a small fortune to even buy a box of "premier" packs whereas before Upper Deck and the mid 90 market flooding, it was still inexpensive. My collection was probably worth 25% more pre-1995/96ish. The unopened packs and boxes are where the money is. Fresh sealed wax packs still with factory seals get me the highest offers from dealers/collectors when they find out what I have.
I collected as a kid, came back as an adult. The same people that ruined sneaker collecting are going to ruin this hobby. These aren't investments, unless you are buying super high end stuff. Most people are merely gambling, chasing hits which are usually crap.
Baseball cards nowadays (or better yet, _basketball and football_ cards) are a good investment just so long as you study a particular scouting report and decide when exactly to flip that player's card. For instance, November and December have always been the worst months to sell for profit, while the beginning of Spring training (i.e. March/April) has usually been one of the better times to sell. EDIT: There are actually so many other variables to list as far as when to sell, including when a player is in the middle of a hot streak or when they've reached their athletic prime (usually around ages 26-28) and so forth. And also, deciding which brand type to invest in (such as Topps flagship, Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome, etc.) could also play a huge factor as well.
Seems like the hobby started peaking in 2016. Noticed in March/April during lockdown a lot of people found the hobby again. And RUclips "break" channels have become very popular.
pokemon early issues are the hottest cards in the card market gaming card market moving way faster than the sports card market u have cards not even 22 years old bringing over 300k that were regular issues not 1 of or inserts not sure the deal but its happening , lot of card shops and investors have stopped to take notice ,
If something was made to be collected they will never be worth anywhere near the cards that were made several decades ago. Back then most ppl didn’t really think they were worth anything so as a result most were thrown away or destroyed over time that’s why they cost so much money.
not sure I really buy it, pun intended. Only the very high priced cards seem to be going up. I keep a ledger of all the cards I purchased on ebay back in 2012 (such as Earl Campbell RC PSA 8), etc. They haven't gone up by that much, only the super rare insert cards are going up. When you compare the growth of the sp500 vs those buys, sp500 did substantially better. Besides under-performing the sp500, another problem with sports cards is, they only go up in value while the player is known, over time even very famous players are nobodies to most people and the value of their card goes down substantially. Then again, I mostly avoided any card older than 1989. I never saw the appeal of sticking a piece of jersey on a card, only putting 25 of them in circulation and expecting people to either want to hit the lottery or shell out 1k$ for a piece of cardboard that doesn't appreciate as fast as other asset classes. My suggestion is, if you really want a card to appreciate over time - pick a 100% mint card that is very rare and a very very well known player. A player a non-sports fan would know who they were 10 years after the person retires. Also its position specific. For example, in football Quarterbacks - ignore all other positions. But then comes the problem of keeping the 'investment' in mint condition. Card's can decline over time even in those PSA protected plastics.
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@Event Horizon he got lucky happens sometimes--what if mahomes blew out his knee like rg3? and that guy would have spent 100 dollars on worthless cards -not a gigantic loss-- speculating is what he did -- and made out ==he isnt a genius just lucky
@@thunderousooner527 and if it so then it will act like any other business ---it will go up and down like stocks --its why the hobby of collecting will always be there -- people collect things such as cards DESPITE the amount of money that the business side of it creates
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If people think these companies won't start overprinting again, you've lost your minds. They make their money either way, they do not care if the cards go up in value or become absolutely worthless.
Coming From a collector Honestly they already are there are more sets of cards this year then I’ve ever seen before it’s going to end up just like the 80’s and 90’s cards worthless
@@fat732AOC I got back into the hobby and immediately went to baseball. That's what I collected as a kid. When I seen that every rookie had 30 different Topps rookie cards I immediately jumped ship.
I mean I’m still collecting for the fun of it or a quick flip here and there if I don’t want something for my pc but I refuse to pay the outrageous secondary market prices and really only pick up some retail product if I can find it anymore but I’m not expecting most of the cards to hold much value in the future other then numbered cards parallels and autos
@@jamesgreen9791 There are boxes of cards that sell for $1,000+, and in many cases, the value of the cards inside are only worth $100, $250, or $500. In fewer cases, the value will exceed $1,000. "The house always wins" applies to casinos and sports card production companies alike. Sports card ripping/opening can be as bad or worse than gambling, but pure investing is not.
@@ethanmoon12 That’s true but most people don’t buy 1000 dollar packages, and I was more talking about buying single cards like autos or rookies, but yeah the high price packs can be as bad as gambling.
it's only gambling if you open boxes packs ect.. if you leave them closed your not going to lose because your selling the lottery ticket somone else is buying but ill admit i open alot because its fun but i also leave some closed for the return
Its a good investment if you can get them cheap, with Panini jacking there prices up on hobby packs and boxes, only the rich can really afford to rip packs, and with retail being so hard to find becauseof the flippers, it's becoming harder and harder to collect
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The baseball cards at worth as much as people are going to pay for them. Sports card market needs to crash to go back to normal. How get your cards worth any money to get them graded.
I just bought an uncirculated Vanderbilt Football Kicker Sarah Fuller Card for $459.97 because it'll double in value in the New York Jets draft her in the first round...😳
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Very enlightening & informative video. My immediate reaction to think about all your other common collectables like stamps, coins, antiques cars & so on. Do all these miniature markets experience similar cycles?
@Slob’s Baseball Collecting value is purely subjective. If people believe that a piece of paper with a pic of an athlete is worth something then a digital currency with a limited supply backed by a block chain is worth something too.
The European market is waiting for the Formula 1 cards like crazy. The Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box is going for $350 USD right now on pre-order. Mark my words, the Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box will be going for $1000 USD by the end of next year and continue to go up. The first cards for Lewis Hamilton (one of the most famous athletes on the planet), Max Verstappen, Lando Norris. This will be like Panini Prizm 2012 Basketball.......this is the exact same product for F1 fans.......that box is going for over $6000 USD right now and that doesn't even have the European market driving up the prices. Whoever reads this, enjoy the low prices while you can! I was talking with some of the workers at Topps and Panini who I deal with on a daily basis and they are saying the same thing as me. The Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box will be a product where people say this in 5 years, "I wish I bought 10 of those boxes when they came out".
I collected baseball, football and basketball cards in the 90s. All gone. Those things ended up being worth nothing in the end. It's easy to say a card is word millions, but there has to be a buyer and nobody buys cards like they did before, that's why the generation after mine stopped collecting. They went onto non-sports card collecting like Pokemon (which I was into too). Today, unlike sports cards, rare Pokemon cards and booster pack boxes actually sell.
it is not supply demand --cards are only worth what someone is willing to pay for it -- to say this is different -- its a volatile market with many different ways to collect --if you chose to invest know its a volatile market period -- and grading is still an opinion not a universal standard-- things in this hobby need to change before it becomes a investment and even then it will never be a safe bet or investment when its based on percieved value
@@dominic9907 So what, do they make 5 of the /25, mint 10, the rest the make off center on purpose? That's a bunch of BS, imo. No offence, but if they do it on purpose, I just can't believe that.
Investment? Yes, I agree. I am a collector as well as a reseller. Not a wholesaler or breaker. Since I spend my own money on breaks, nothing more is upsetting than receiving a "redemption" from Panini. I would like for CNBC to do a follow up on how Panini with their lack of fulfillment of redemptions in addition to their current state of lacking communication with those seeking customer service. Panini needs to stop the sale of something they may not be able to fulfill. Period
i am in the process of liquidating a michael jordan collection that i purchased off ebay 15 years ago. the ROI has been outstanding so far. i cannot give away baseball cards from 1980s-1990s. will still hold some for nostalgia of course.
Have 100's of MLB cards from late 60's to mid 70's. you name the star I have the card. what is the best way to get an idea of value? They have all been in plastic for over thirty years.
The video is probably pretty accurate but how risky is this as an investment class really? All the people in the video are biased because they are directly involved so it sounds like the hottest market. It seems scary if you are investing say millions when the card producer could suddenly go mad and start producing a few more than normal.
I'm here just thinking about a box of baseball cards I found in a house we moved in about 25 years ago. Someone had them on a very tall shelf, the only thing left behind. Me being a 12 or 13 year old didn't really think about them possibly being of value and somewhere along different moves from house to house,they got lost.I often wonder who got them and were they worth anything.
The demand is based on speculation, not fundamentals hence the mania. It's a trend. Cards are in a big bubble just like the real estate market, bond market, stock market. All based on exuberance. "If something cannot continue on forever, it will stop"----Stein's Law
Word of advice for newbies wanting to make $$$. Do your research. Don't think you'll strike it rich by knowing nothing and get lucky. Remember, there are thousands of people who know the hobby. You aren't going to stumble upon a find. Do it for fun. See what players you like. Most of us got in the hobby for the love.
That probably all they could find cheap for their story. I could have given them a big pile of junk wax if they were going to just toss them on a table.
The insert cards are too gimmicky in my opinion. I feel they make the packs too pricey to buy. I was buying Topps cards in 1987 for .40 and now a pack is nearly $5 in 2023 and you get less cards in the pack.
So sick of people blaming card companies for making too many. Theyre not in business to make collectors rich with low print cards. The more people buy them, the more they're going to print. If people got into cards as a get-rich-quick scheme then they're the problem, not the card makers.
no doubt these things will be great but the real money has and always will be in vintage , t206 wagner ect not these 1 of cards cards , all the packs opened to find them will in the end fall with the 80 junk wax era sadly the big mike trout sell that hold the record many high end dealer and auctions house have said if a mid grade 206 wagner comes up for sale it will blow that trout out of the water , and many one of will go into private collections never to be heard from again and forgotten about over time , plus 2020 prices on all collectables are expected to have a retrace in the comming year
We are already in a big crash Inflation is a catastrophe. This CPI report is a colossal failure. To bring the housing market to a halt, the FED will have to pull all the stops. The unfortunate issue is that other markets are being decimated. If you want to stay green, you have to rely on a lot of diversification. Currently up 14% and being careful. Still a better deal than leaving it in a savings or checking account yielding 0-1 percent interest.
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To answer the title of this video: just buy cards that you like and because it's fun, and if they turn out to be worth anything that's icing on the cake.
Hell Nah
Yeah that’s kinda the hobby
I have thousands of baseball and football cards so I’m looking up how much they are worth
Thanks so I don’t have to watch it
So true... Ripping hobby boxes and buying into breaks is just gambling.
With this type of card investments.....the real losers are kids like my son who is 8 years old trying to buy his favorite players. Instead middle aged men are price gouging my son when guys sit at Walmart's and Convenience stores waiting for the truck to unload so they can re-sell them to screw 8 year old kids out of cards.
I’ve never tried to buy a box like that but I hate to say it I’ve heard this before. I’m in my young 30s buying graded cards of my favorite players but I definitely can see how it’d be hard for kids…
That’s sad… I think when they were cheap though a lot of kids just couldn’t afford to collect them all even then sadly.
Who knows though perhaps a few kids will get lucky and own an insanely rare card, the thrill will be even higher.
Sport Cards is the earliest gambling a kid in school will face with buying a pack of cards.
No not at all ot was fun 1 dollar for a pack
@@valueking2283 gambling can be fun and cheap.
Not only gambling but the earliest form of addiction
Kids in school can't gamble anymore....most packs are way too expensive for kids and this will ultimately hurt the hobby. It's just gambling and flipping for adults now.
There have always been collectable items. People in the comments really act like this is new, then they go and pay real money for a digital item in a video game.
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Grading is critical. Grade can make the difference between a $10 card and a $500 card.
Grading is a scam, there have been multiple documented instances of grading companies changing grades based on who submitted cards, or calling fake cards real.
@@arunnoe maybe, but thats irrelevant. I had a graded Terry Bradshaw that I sold for almost $300. Ungraded maybe I could have gotten $10 for it. Maybe it's a scam but it doesn't matter since those are the rules you have to play by.
The very first card PSA ever graded was found several years later to be altered by the guy who owned it.
But yeah, some collectors believe in that crap. I suppose for vintage cards thst may matter, but some folks sending brand new rookie cards, and sometimes non rookie cards of star players in for grading.
High grades for these cards aren't hard to get, and some already have thousands of graded copies, meaning they'll never carry the value of their pre-grading era counterparts, even if the player becomes HOF material.
@@arunnoe that’s a very broad statement not taking into account a lot of specifics
grading discriminates against everyone in the hobby. it doesn't matter if its not a gem mint its about checking it off your list. psa is bunk anyway I've caught many 10s that were not, so what's the point?
What they didn’t mention is how the industry is pricing out regular collectors like myself. As a teacher, I can’t afford a $200 box of cards. Since the pandemic started, you can’t even find a $20 box of cards at Target or Walmart anymore. Too many people are cleaning them out and selling them on EBay or Facebook Marketplace. It’s sad.
Lol 200? You’d be lucky to get any box for 200.
I work for Amazon and can't afford a 200 dollar box of cards. But I've been getting lucky at Walgreens 2020 Update lately. And Big Lots too, if you like Heritage lol
@@HailTheApocalypse update is ooookay. Can’t stand heritage (like most people)
Flippers are trash people
$200?? Prizm Football hobby boxes are 1k a box
Good investments over time dont go through fad periods of consumerism. This is why the sports card industry had a bust period between the 80s-early 90s boom and this one. Too many people acting as though a mass produced consumer product was like a stock share. With so many of these stupid "card investor" channels popping up on RUclips, many of which are just outlets for pumping certain players, I'm beginning to see folks repeating the same mistake.
100%
I've been in this game a long time. The best way to make money is to invest in older cars of superstars that are in fantastic condition. I don't remember Mickey Mantle cards ever going down in value. Remember Zion Williamson is one career-ending injury away from his cards being worthless.
Yeah get dudes that are timeless and proved longevity
As a collector and reseller I want more people to buy buy buy because the value has gone so high on unopened boxes that most of these new buyers will realize they are losing money and stop. A $19.99 blaster box now sells for $39.99 and the value isn't there. A $5 card I used to buy is now $20 so it's hurting my collection. As soon as the pandemic is over, people will start to move away from cards.
Been doing this a long time... you don't 'Invest' in baseball cards - you 'speculate'... if you think you're investing your in trouble👍
lol, what the hell is the difference boi?
@@kenshikenji speculating is when u buy something because you think it will go up in value
@@soaponarope2000 so i invest because an asset will go down in value? lol gtfo
Same thing, you speculate on a stock going up too. You just used a synonym.
@@kenshikenji Lol no you invest because the underlying asset produces income. Buying something solely because you think you can sell it to someone for more is speculation buddy.
They don’t mention scalping and vendors telling their friends to come with them to take all the product to resell.
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Great Video. Sports cards have gone wild this year. One thing, if buying active players, don’t be slow to sell them when they have a good year or their card prices go up. Any single active players cards are just a torn ACL or public arrest away from their card prices instantly crashing. So if you’re invested in younger active players, sell when your up!
BINGO!
Even super star hall of famers cards are down. A rookie brett farve paa 10 is like 300 bucks a joe burrow rookie is 1000+
I have been a collector since I was a kid in the 60's, always for fun not investment, I concentrate on 60's and mid 70's baseball cards for enjoyment only. This is another crash in the making. Look at it this way, a card company prints a card, slaps a piece of a jersey and boom it's value is automatically over $100K? This is not making sense to me.
Yeah I’ve been a collector since I was a kid in the early 2000’s if I sell any there ones I already have duplicates of.
I started collecting cards in 1954 when I was 5 years old and stopped buying them in the 1980's because there were too many cards being produced. I have most of the old sets and never considered selling them. I am a true collector and not an investor. I think only about 5 % of people today are like that. I have no use for grading and limited edition cards. Most of my old cards are in vg condition and that is good enough for me.
Damn dude you already buy stuffs when you were 5? Woah
@@alishad.4396 So did I in 1977. I love the various hobbies, hate the speculators
@@alishad.4396 I was buying baseball cards as a 6 year old in 1974, so yes - the older generations bought and collected things at a very early age.
@@OriginalGrasshopper wow that's really cool 😂 i was free to buy anything when i was 15
@@alishad.4396 That's sad. says a lot about the economy. Real wages haven't changed since reagan, yet the cost of everything necessary to live has gone way up.
If you are new to the hobby I recommend buying rookies already graded in the highest grade you can afford. If you try and open the packs yourselves and submit them in for grading it can become extremely expensive, take a very long time, and also it's very disappointing when you don't receive the grades you were expecting.
You should have reported on the incompetence, favoritisms, and straight corruption in the grading companies. Cards being purchased graded, cracked open and trimmed and altered then resubmitted for higher grades to boost profits. That’s the whole purpose of these companies, to authenticate and grade. Or where the FBI investigation in these matters currently stands. A graded card compared to a non graded card can fluctuate price from hundreds to thousands. But does the average collector have the same high grades chance as those that are in the “club”. Or maybe a story bout how long it takes for them to grade the avg Joes cards (6 months plus ) compared to others who bulk submit all the time and are in the club. I would like to see a story on these topics.
Interesting since you put it like that I would like to see a show about that that has my ears perked up
Definitely not Topps 2019 Series 1
Lol I get the same 10 cards in every pack
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Most “Investors” or newbie baseball card collectors don’t remember the 1990’s. Investments are only good if you can sell them in hard times. These are for fun.
my 1988 Donruss baseball card set is on fire, it went up from $5.00 to $5.50 just in the last year.
Graded psa 10 you can get much more but chances are you shoved them all together disregarding condition. There’s a lot of cards out there but there’s not a lot of psa 10s
I have all those mid 80’s mid 90’s donruss and Ken Griffey Jr and Bo Jackson cards the wild cards and all and no one is buying them waste of time and money might as well throw them in the dumpster.
RIP Black Mamba. His RCs have been an incredible investment.
Yep. I've invested in him and Lebron heavy!
The mistakes of the past are soon repeated
The hobby has always had ups and downs. Topps and others have made fewer cards but many more products (versions) instead of mass producing and flooding the market
@@JusNoBS420 the market is as flooded as it gets. topps had 27 releases not including topps project or online exclusives, panini with 15, its junk wax all over again except the junk is gonna be all the PSA 10s coming back in the summer once everyone sees everyone had the same idea... bubble bust
@@bobbywest8460 That was my point. I just worded it poorly. Your exactly right
Thank you Sam Rega and CNBC for including us in your story.
It’s not a fun time to get back into collecting. Fighting for sealed wax, insane markups on every product on the 2nd market, and card prices changing with every game played. It’s a blood sport out there y’all!
This is true but even retail packs like prizm and hoops have great hits and last year 2020 and the 2019-2020 basketball had great rookie cards. Ive spent about $700 on ripping cards and pretty much have that back and maybe more for what ive ripped and have cards I plan to send into psa. Basically the higher the price for a box of say prizm football, a good players card is going to sell for a lot.
The intrinsic value is money laundering ability XD
So true.
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I had a friend who made a million in the 80s on cards. He had a whole warehouse: fork lifts, an illegal family with a rice cooker sorting---crazy. He kind of went crazy working 24/7. He cashed out and went into gambling counting cards in Vegas. Probably blew it all. Lost touch. Sad though what weirdo adults did to a kids hobby. Remember a girlfriend's kid showing me his card collection: they were all in plastic folders. Pathetic. And these guys are pathetic. Just a symptom of America where everything is commodified. I gave mine to a kid. Made him really happy. Glad to be done with it. These are the kind of guys that would drive around buying up all the hand sanitizer and then turning a profit on Ebay. Little wonder the country's going to hell with reptiles like this. People are getting thrown out on the street and people are buying pieces of cardboard for millions. It's beyond perverse
You can't buy cards at Walmart or Target anymore because folks have moved on from sanitizer to cards in order to flip those too on EBAY.
@@domingopacheco7274 Oh, the humanity! 😱 🌲☃️🎅
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Loved this. He's exactly right. As a boy I collected sports cards,mostly baseball. It was every boys hobby then! I recently accumulated a full,high grade '61 set,because I can now afford it. I hope kids can renew this enthusiasm for the hobby.
Vegas Dave might be the most annoying Tool alive.
Agreed
Him and gary vee are the problem
Vegas Dave banked on D.Carr, that was a quick bust and a waste. Would like to see an update on his take on Carrs status
If I had a time machine, I would take $5000 with me and go back to 1971 and buy as many Topps baseball cards as I could. That set never decreases in value
i will be back to 2004 and buy tones of messi rookies
Best for investing:
1-High end graded VINTAGE cards
2-Unopened material (generally older, with some exceptions).
Anyone thinking how collecting NOW is going to remain that way, you must've just gotten into it.
I've been in and out of this hobby since 1986. Happened to travel to Atlantic city NJ the same weekend as the sports card national a couple of years ago. I had the chance to meet David Liner in this video. One of the greatest baseball card moments.
Sitting talking Baseball cards with a industry icon.
If this isn't proof of the asset bubble, nothing is.
@@samplechannel2fiyd5idjfufjfud So would you say the same argument holds for BTC?
Bitcoin anyone? 😭
@@KK-pm7ud Bitcoin has a limited supply
@@rexw7930 That doesn't mean that it's not an asset bubble. If you don't understand why, I don't know what else to tell you.
@@KK-pm7ud Bitcoin and sports cards aren't even remotely similar. Which are you referring to?
Greed by the company destroyed the card and comic book industry so interesting.
The company's greed didn't destroy anything. The public's greed did. Cards during the junk wax era weren't overproduced, as dealers bought them from the companies.
They were overhoarded by people who took a blind eye to the laws of supply and demand. Factory sealed sets and 50 count lots of rookie cards don't accrue much value when everybody does it and some folks get bored and start dumping stuff. The same is going to happen to these people holding graded slabs of Zion, Luka and Mahomes, even if they have HOF caliber careers.
Ive been collecting baseball/basketball/football and hockey packs/boxes/cases since 1976. I could not even venture a guess how many cards, unopened boxes and cases I have. One bedroom is filled floor to ceiling. They are not as valuable as they used to be. Now it will cost you a small fortune to even buy a box of "premier" packs whereas before Upper Deck and the mid 90 market flooding, it was still inexpensive. My collection was probably worth 25% more pre-1995/96ish. The unopened packs and boxes are where the money is. Fresh sealed wax packs still with factory seals get me the highest offers from dealers/collectors when they find out what I have.
id like to see what you got for unopened product i collect them and make sets --interested in what you have
@@vendora1 I am going to start doing a rough inventory probably next month. Ill post an instagram link for the page when i get started.
Don't forget Skybox, Playoff, Bowman, and Pinnacle back in the mid 90s. I use to get unopened cases of these brands for Xmas.
In what scenario would Alt ever sell a card? I’d imagine the cards would come toppling down if they ever need to do such a thing
if you're not selling, you're not making money - on opposite you're actually wasting a lot of money then
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Can't go wrong with a Mike Trout baseball card.
I collected as a kid, came back as an adult. The same people that ruined sneaker collecting are going to ruin this hobby. These aren't investments, unless you are buying super high end stuff. Most people are merely gambling, chasing hits which are usually crap.
Baseball cards nowadays (or better yet, _basketball and football_ cards) are a good investment just so long as you study a particular scouting report and decide when exactly to flip that player's card. For instance, November and December have always been the worst months to sell for profit, while the beginning of Spring training (i.e. March/April) has usually been one of the better times to sell.
EDIT: There are actually so many other variables to list as far as when to sell, including when a player is in the middle of a hot streak or when they've reached their athletic prime (usually around ages 26-28) and so forth. And also, deciding which brand type to invest in (such as Topps flagship, Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome, etc.) could also play a huge factor as well.
Seems like the hobby started peaking in 2016. Noticed in March/April during lockdown a lot of people found the hobby again. And RUclips "break" channels have become very popular.
Are baseball cards a good investment? Yes
Are pokemon cards a potential life changing investment? Yes
Baseball cards and sports cards are no where near pokemon prices
Problem for collecting now is availability. I have not be able to find ANYTHING at the normal retail locations. It’s actually pretty frustrating.
Same thing for Pokemon, Magic the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh
All these markets keep rising and these 3 card games have collectability and playability
...so you're saying my mint holo Blue Eyes cards are worth money? /jk
@@CallistaRhian 1st Edition Mint SDK and LOB are. Also mint DDS are too.
What about doing a story on Pokémon cards and their values?? lol
There is no value in Pokémon cards
pokemon early issues are the hottest cards in the card market gaming card market moving way faster than the sports card market u have cards not even 22 years old bringing over 300k that were regular issues not 1 of or inserts not sure the deal but its happening , lot of card shops and investors have stopped to take notice ,
@@DalbecFan Better tell Gary Vee. The same Gary Vee whose comments set off the sports card boom. He's gotten into Pokemon too.
@@DalbecFan you must be joking
@@DalbecFan Ok, Ill take all your pre 2003 Pokemon cards off your hands. Especially those wortheless base 1st edition foils....
adults are just grown up kids
source?
@@joshuachinn7570 all of us
If something was made to be collected they will never be worth anywhere near the cards that were made several decades ago. Back then most ppl didn’t really think they were worth anything so as a result most were thrown away or destroyed over time that’s why they cost so much money.
That is completely incorrect
Luka Doncic is the guy who really spiked this hobby the past few years 🔥
Mike trout actually... look up mike trout bowman draft auto
A great mini documentary about the current state of the sports card market! Very well done!
not sure I really buy it, pun intended. Only the very high priced cards seem to be going up. I keep a ledger of all the cards I purchased on ebay back in 2012 (such as Earl Campbell RC PSA 8), etc. They haven't gone up by that much, only the super rare insert cards are going up. When you compare the growth of the sp500 vs those buys, sp500 did substantially better. Besides under-performing the sp500, another problem with sports cards is, they only go up in value while the player is known, over time even very famous players are nobodies to most people and the value of their card goes down substantially. Then again, I mostly avoided any card older than 1989. I never saw the appeal of sticking a piece of jersey on a card, only putting 25 of them in circulation and expecting people to either want to hit the lottery or shell out 1k$ for a piece of cardboard that doesn't appreciate as fast as other asset classes.
My suggestion is, if you really want a card to appreciate over time - pick a 100% mint card that is very rare and a very very well known player. A player a non-sports fan would know who they were 10 years after the person retires. Also its position specific. For example, in football Quarterbacks - ignore all other positions. But then comes the problem of keeping the 'investment' in mint condition. Card's can decline over time even in those PSA protected plastics.
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Nope it's a hobby not an investment.
@Event Horizon he got lucky happens sometimes--what if mahomes blew out his knee like rg3? and that guy would have spent 100 dollars on worthless cards -not a gigantic loss-- speculating is what he did -- and made out ==he isnt a genius just lucky
It’s not a hobby anymore it’s a Business look on eBay at graded cards.
@@thunderousooner527 and if it so then it will act like any other business ---it will go up and down like stocks --its why the hobby of collecting will always be there -- people collect things such as cards DESPITE the amount of money that the business side of it creates
I remember seeing a bunch of cards packs at dollar tree about 3 years ago. I bought some so I could use the cards as bookmarks
@MarkiPlayz-TrenchKillz great minds think alike! I almost thought I was the only one lol
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This is inflation at it's purest form
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Speculation
nah, it's more like constrained supply
@@humanbeing5918 This is probably the most informed comment on here.
If people think these companies won't start overprinting again, you've lost your minds. They make their money either way, they do not care if the cards go up in value or become absolutely worthless.
Coming From a collector Honestly they already are there are more sets of cards this year then I’ve ever seen before it’s going to end up just like the 80’s and 90’s cards worthless
@@fat732AOC I got back into the hobby and immediately went to baseball. That's what I collected as a kid. When I seen that every rookie had 30 different Topps rookie cards I immediately jumped ship.
I mean I’m still collecting for the fun of it or a quick flip here and there if I don’t want something for my pc but I refuse to pay the outrageous secondary market prices and really only pick up some retail product if I can find it anymore but I’m not expecting most of the cards to hold much value in the future other then numbered cards parallels and autos
Hopefully. My dad has thousands of them from back in the day sitting in his basement lol
Thier old and no cares about them, unless thier really old then everyone cares about them.
Be sure to them them graded.
Baseball cards used to a decoration "noise maker" on bicycles in the past.
this is almost as bad as gambling. and most of the time you lose...
It’s not anywhere close to as bad as gambling, unless you’re a complete idiot but even if you were you still probably wouldn’t lose to much money.
@@jamesgreen9791 There are boxes of cards that sell for $1,000+, and in many cases, the value of the cards inside are only worth $100, $250, or $500. In fewer cases, the value will exceed $1,000. "The house always wins" applies to casinos and sports card production companies alike. Sports card ripping/opening can be as bad or worse than gambling, but pure investing is not.
@@ethanmoon12 That’s true but most people don’t buy 1000 dollar packages, and I was more talking about buying single cards like autos or rookies, but yeah the high price packs can be as bad as gambling.
It’s just like gambling.
it's only gambling if you open boxes packs ect.. if you leave them closed your not going to lose because your selling the lottery ticket somone else is buying but ill admit i open alot because its fun but i also leave some closed for the return
Kids now dont collect cards at all, they dont even like baseball... consider that
Lol
Baseball sucks
Kids these days don’t even like going outside
Hmmm.. my 5 grandsons collect baseball and football cards and they've told me their friends do as well... so...??
Its a good investment if you can get them cheap, with Panini jacking there prices up on hobby packs and boxes, only the rich can really afford to rip packs, and with retail being so hard to find becauseof the flippers, it's becoming harder and harder to collect
Wow. A few months ago I purchased a Mark McQwire Donruss Rookie card. No clue it’s been a craze.
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@@rosemagcco4065 been there done that.
@@senmcquire have you invested before?
Techicnilly it not the craze, but a subset of the hobby, the craze is ultramodern sports cards AKA the cards that came out last week.
meh 1987 Donruss. I prefer his 1985 USA Topps 401 card
If it wasn’t hard enough to find cards in retail stores as it is this is gonna make it worse
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The baseball cards at worth as much as people are going to pay for them. Sports card market needs to crash to go back to normal. How get your cards worth any money to get them graded.
I just bought an uncirculated Vanderbilt Football Kicker Sarah Fuller Card for $459.97 because it'll double in value in the New York Jets draft her in the first round...😳
Grown men with pictures of other grown men in their pockets? Sus
Well your description sounds like most currencies as well :-)
Ha ha u have me a good laugh yeah your right. It should be ladies lol
Dollars bills have pictures of dead grown men, and we ALL have those in our pockets and even worse we trade time in order to gain more of them. So shut your mouth 🤐
John L. LOLs will Benjamin Franklin isn’t half naked in my pocket like half those players I saw that grown man drooling over 🤣
exactly, childish hobby for 40yo virgins
2021 is going to be disastrous there’s an asset bubble in everything..... stocks, real estate, Bitcoin, sports card 🤦♂️
Those 86 Fleer basketball cards will never be worth anything said the collector in 1987.
Has that “fund manager” been able to sell those cards yet to another sucker?
”Greater Fool” is in full effect with this BS.
Very enlightening & informative video.
My immediate reaction to think about all your other common collectables like stamps, coins, antiques cars & so on. Do all these miniature markets experience similar cycles?
If this has value then Bitcoin definitely is worth something.
@Slob’s Baseball Collecting value is purely subjective. If people believe that a piece of paper with a pic of an athlete is worth something then a digital currency with a limited supply backed by a block chain is worth something too.
at least you can have it physically thats what makes me buy cards
The European market is waiting for the Formula 1 cards like crazy. The Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box is going for $350 USD right now on pre-order. Mark my words, the Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box will be going for $1000 USD by the end of next year and continue to go up. The first cards for Lewis Hamilton (one of the most famous athletes on the planet), Max Verstappen, Lando Norris. This will be like Panini Prizm 2012 Basketball.......this is the exact same product for F1 fans.......that box is going for over $6000 USD right now and that doesn't even have the European market driving up the prices. Whoever reads this, enjoy the low prices while you can! I was talking with some of the workers at Topps and Panini who I deal with on a daily basis and they are saying the same thing as me. The Formula 1 Topps Chrome Hobby Box will be a product where people say this in 5 years, "I wish I bought 10 of those boxes when they came out".
I collected baseball, football and basketball cards in the 90s. All gone. Those things ended up being worth nothing in the end. It's easy to say a card is word millions, but there has to be a buyer and nobody buys cards like they did before, that's why the generation after mine stopped collecting. They went onto non-sports card collecting like Pokemon (which I was into too). Today, unlike sports cards, rare Pokemon cards and booster pack boxes actually sell.
it is not supply demand --cards are only worth what someone is willing to pay for it -- to say this is different -- its a volatile market with many different ways to collect --if you chose to invest know its a volatile market period -- and grading is still an opinion not a universal standard-- things in this hobby need to change before it becomes a investment and even then it will never be a safe bet or investment when its based on percieved value
I've read PSA isn't as great as Beckett's grading.
Invest in the “Kobe Hall of Fame basketball” by Spalding. Price will go higher next year when he gets inducted in the 2020 hall of fame.
So when are these company's gonna start cutting their cards straight? Horrible to pull a numbered card and it's off center 80/20.
never. they understand what grading is doing for the hobby & wont destroy the rarity of a “gem mint” card
@@dominic9907 So what, do they make 5 of the /25, mint 10, the rest the make off center on purpose? That's a bunch of BS, imo. No offence, but if they do it on purpose, I just can't believe that.
@@_Slicedbread i don’t know the
numbers for certain but the rarity of a PSA 10 will be greatly diminished if quality control is greatly improved
People who starred buying cards for money 🧢🤡🧢🤡
Investment? Yes, I agree. I am a collector as well as a reseller. Not a wholesaler or breaker. Since I spend my own money on breaks, nothing more is upsetting than receiving a "redemption" from Panini. I would like for CNBC to do a follow up on how Panini with their lack of fulfillment of redemptions in addition to their current state of lacking communication with those seeking customer service. Panini needs to stop the sale of something they may not be able to fulfill. Period
In 2016 I bought a 1985 PSA 10 Jordan Nike Promo for $850 dollars. Fast forward to 2020 and the same card has sold for $15k+
certain players will always command prices like that mj is one of the best examples
Ammo is a good investment. Baseball cards show the decline in value of the US dollar
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Baseball cards are back!
i am in the process of liquidating a michael jordan collection that i purchased off ebay 15 years ago. the ROI has been outstanding so far. i cannot give away baseball cards from 1980s-1990s. will still hold some for nostalgia of course.
Who authenticated it?
Have 100's of MLB cards from late 60's to mid 70's. you name the star I have the card. what is the best way to get an idea of value? They have all been in plastic for over thirty years.
I use 130point.com to look at all the current sales of cards
The old ones all lost value
@@sparty1846 I see that. Odd, you would think the old ones would be worth more.Thank you for your reply.
This is no different than the reselling of sneakers. People have turned to reselling shoes and cards as a way to make money.
The video is probably pretty accurate but how risky is this as an investment class really?
All the people in the video are biased because they are directly involved so it sounds like the hottest market.
It seems scary if you are investing say millions when the card producer could suddenly go mad and start producing a few more than normal.
I'm here just thinking about a box of baseball cards I found in a house we moved in about 25 years ago. Someone had them on a very tall shelf, the only thing left behind. Me being a 12 or 13 year old didn't really think about them possibly being of value and somewhere along different moves from house to house,they got lost.I often wonder who got them and were they worth anything.
Wow that's awesome used to collect them myself as a kid.
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The demand is based on speculation, not fundamentals hence the mania. It's a trend. Cards are in a big bubble just like the real estate market, bond market, stock market. All based on exuberance.
"If something cannot continue on forever, it will stop"----Stein's Law
Word of advice for newbies wanting to make $$$. Do your research. Don't think you'll strike it rich by knowing nothing and get lucky. Remember, there are thousands of people who know the hobby. You aren't going to stumble upon a find. Do it for fun. See what players you like. Most of us got in the hobby for the love.
Follow up episode on Pokemon cards would be awesome!
Pokemon isn't worth it unless you have first edition.
Love how they open 2019 series 1 and not like 2019 series 2
That probably all they could find cheap for their story. I could have given them a big pile of junk wax if they were going to just toss them on a table.
@@scarpfish i was gonna say the same thing. They couldn't afford Series 2 😂
Imagine holding the value of a mansion in your hand sheesh
What will happen when things hopefully go back to normal and half these people stop buying?? Careful people
The insert cards are too gimmicky in my opinion. I feel they make the packs too pricey to buy. I was buying Topps cards in 1987 for .40 and now a pack is nearly $5 in 2023 and you get less cards in the pack.
So sick of people blaming card companies for making too many. Theyre not in business to make collectors rich with low print cards. The more people buy them, the more they're going to print. If people got into cards as a get-rich-quick scheme then they're the problem, not the card makers.
Biggest takeaway: new term.. Culture Asset - let’s go card collectors!
no doubt these things will be great but the real money has and always will be in vintage , t206 wagner ect not these 1 of cards cards , all the packs opened to find them will in the end fall with the 80 junk wax era sadly the big mike trout sell that hold the record many high end dealer and auctions house have said if a mid grade 206 wagner comes up for sale it will blow that trout out of the water , and many one of will go into private collections never to be heard from again and forgotten about over time , plus 2020 prices on all collectables are expected to have a retrace in the comming year
how can I buy cards if you are a minimalists?