@@GearShifter925 Yes, that makes 99 % of modern bikes so much more beautiful 😉 That should be the original look, but manufactures don't seem to like it. Anyway, "tailtidy" sounds so indian english 😅
Most modern motorcycle designs are amazing, striking, cool, aggressive....but not beautiful. I do think the modern retro bikes are so popular at least in part because they do look beautiful.
@@hihellothere9569 Some would say that circular headlights are timeless with no need to stand out in a crowd. Different types of bikes for different types of riders.
The problem with the Hornet is that Japanese designs have enormously inspired themselves of insects in recent decades (there was a Japanese name for that type of design, but I can't remember it for the life of me), so when Honda decided to make a bike worthy of the Hornet name, they got kinda stuck. Regarding the KTM, you're right about bugs, and it just looks _busy_ to me, adding unnecessary stuff, which goes against my vision of the motorcycle ethos. Someone in the comments said it made it look like a Transformer, and I'd agree: Michael Bay's Transformers, where unnecessary stuff is added during transformations to hide bad robot design. I'm sure that's not the case here, but dang, it looks like it.
"Sugomi" design? I remember reading about that when the transformer looking 2014 Z1000 came out which I really wanted one but the dealerships in my area never brought it in.
Another aspect of what (I think) is going on here, is that projector headlights are substantially cheaper to produce than a custom designed enclosed headlight unit with a lens. It's much simpler to design and cheaper to manufacture some off the shelf projector headlamps that fit into injection-molded forms than it is to build an enclosed headlight that needs to be water tight and withstand heat from the lamps and impacts from road debris. What we end up with are these generic beady-eyed lights that are inevitably insectoid, and as you pointed out an absolute pain to clean. A more rounded conversation about naked bike headlamps would include the new Monster (a modern take on the classic single round), Street Triple range (modern take on the dual eyes-like setup), and the Brutale (another classic single round). Those bikes have kept the more classic round, or dual eye-like headlight arrangements, which are more anthropomorphic and IMHO more appealing (I must be old fashioned) but still managed to pack in all the tech of LED running lights and projector lamps.
I never got used to the look of new bikes. Personally, I am still stuck in the early years of the 21st century and that design... The first Yamaha R series motorcycles were simply wonderful and to this day I consider them as peak of motorcycle design
As guy in my early 20's, the 2000's in my personal golden age of motorcycling. Great design, fuel injection, raw inputs, and low emission standard is why I love those bikes. My 2006 Suzuki doesn't even have a cat. Modern bikes are too busy, from the design to the electronics it's a bit much.
@@FunniestFlicks Exactly. Just think about all the different and colorful designs in that era: ZX7R, GSXR SRAD, Widowmaker R1, Honda 900RR. All had a different and distinct style. I own a GSXR K4 for more than 6 years now and although I have the money to buy something new, I'm simply not interested in any of those new bikes. I would rather get another 20 year old bike instead of something new.
Speaking of headlights, I wish companies started incorporating round headlights again, Honda's MC22 looks straight up beautiful imho and it's headlights just look so damn cool.
WIth the new gen of projector headlights, round headlights are just not that necessary anymore. Most neo-retro bikes have them, but newer bikes would not be a good fit in the retro style, as many actually like sharp edges and complicated forms
@@bjornrenard8131 yeah.. 😭 I definitely get why it needs to go, just makes me a little sad as I love the style of it so so much. I'm probably a small majority tho compared to the fans of the modern style nowadays and I think the modern sharp edges style doesn't look too bad either so I'm not that miffed abt it.
Agreed. There's something iconic and purposeful about twin round reflectors, circa 1988-90. Especially the 750 Super Sports in that era. And I, for one think Triumph's Speed Triple looked a whole lot better with round lights pre-2011...
I think another point worth talking about in Headlight design is readability/safety. The problem with two headlights horizontal is that for an oncoming driver there's two possible reads: A very close motorcycle or a very far away car. And since cars are much more common, that can lead to incorrect interpretations and consequently accidents. Thats why Ive traditionally been more fond of the single headlight, but the recent more elaborate designs (like BMW's X) might be even safer, since they are so very different from a car and the uniqueness makes it more likely that oncoming traffic takes a moment more to get a read on the situation instead of making a (potentially fatal) assumption.
0:03 sorry but NO; bikes have gotten only heavier over time, NOT lighter! ABS +1kg, EGR +0.5kg, big exhaust dampers +3kg, +, +, +.... 8:04 KTM blinkers on the steering are an ugly "afterthought"! And; nice idea & video, thanks!
I never got used to the current gen KTM design for the headlight. The bike looks great from every angle except the front (superduke look a bit better than the 890 and 390). New designs look so good! Good job kTM
What really struck me with the new KTM headlights (moreso on the 1390) is how well it fits into the design of the bike as a whole. The bodywork has a lot of hard angles, but there are also a lot of parallel lines among all the different parts that glue it together. That's something that the 990 and gen 1 1290 also did well. Not that the gen 2-3 1290s don't have a cohesive, aggresive design, but in comparison, the lines flow more gently.
I really don't like these modern bikes that look like the designers spend their entire lives watching Transformers movies. If I had the money for a new bike, it would be going on a Guzzi Mandello, classic yet modern, sleek yet muscular...just a beautiful bike.
YEahhhh Im on my Svarty 401, still think it's one of the nicest bikes out!! 25,000 kms and Im curious about something different but the Svarty is so hard to beat!!
Yeah, the Husky 401s have that perfect balance of old and new. Ever since I laid eyes on the Svartpilen it immediately became my dream bike because of the bold design while still paying homage to the classics.
I agree. The Vitpilen 701 still is the best looking bike I've ever seen. From the head light, to the taillight. The only thing I dislike about it is the dash. I'm glad they're bringing back the design with the 901!
GSX-8R side-profile, I find to be a very attractive design. All the shapes just work, it's athletic and muscular looking, but also sleek and purposeful. Oh...... and the 776cc engine is already getting tunes on the aftermarket that gain BOTH 10 hp and 10 ft-lb at the wheel. Big fat meaty midrange.
I think except the Panigale (sans the ugly winglets) and a couple of MVs- there's hardly a machine there which makes your heart skip a beat. The 2008 models of the R1 and 600RR, the 2016 Fireblade or even the boring yet the gorgeous CB1000R- they all reeked of some emotion behind the design and not just the engineering obligation of pushing close to the 200 bhp mark. I can imagine if I owned any of those, I'd always turn back for a second look- not sure I'd have the same feeling for the current crop of motorcycles.
I personally really miss headlights that followed conventional design of two "eyes" with projectors of bulbs behind a lense. I hate the new light pod/ insect look that most seem to be following, Suzuki and Yamaha being the most.
Suzuki japan insist 1 headlight despite everybody here in Asia asked them to produce 2 headlight. For us yamaha is the most beautiful follow by kawasaki and suzuki is the ugliest. So when suzuki put stack headlight, its still looks weird to us. But suzuki for us is the only bike brand that dare to not copying other brand. When you said suzuki, nope, suzuki never follow the trend. They living in their own world. Thats why suzuki never popular in Asia, because they're "different"
2000 MV Augusta F4 750 is the benchmark (the Ducati 916 is a tie). Art uses technique to produce an emotional response. The designer should use his technique to express an emotion. The software world is full of designer this and that. Design Thinking, User Interface Design and User Experience Design.
I agree with that. I feel like the designers sat in the theater watching Transformers for too long. Form follows function used to be a thesis. But there have always been design flaws that ultimately led to sales flops. See BMW Scarver... or C1 Scooter. Royal Enfield, on the other hand, is celebrating success. Because they stuck to their old, simple design for a long time and are now only renovating moderately, Moto Guzzi also follows this... and is successful.
Great stuff, I would love to have you do the same kind of comparison, but instead of using headlights, use the Dash layout and design. I know Suzuki has really struggled in that department as well. Thanks for all your amazing content.
Many of the new designs are absurd. From Ducati's Angry Birds look to KTMs Praying Mantis look, to Yamaha's Transformers look, to Hondas and beyond. I'd bet any one of us here would be able to design a better looking headlight assembly in 10 minutes. So I've no idea what designers are smoking.
I don't think there is a brand new motorcycle on the market right now that i actually really like. I guess africa twin would be closest. I really really hate those small led lights. I miss big lights with reflectors. Also almost all use these digital dashes now. Hate them too. I want big analoge tachometer. I really really liked early 2000 sport bikes. Early r1 or r6 looked so amazing
Yamaha really has to be working on a Tracer 10 in secret or something. I guess it would be an instant buy for many older Yamaha lovers. The CP4 on a crossover? DEAL!
Maybe companies are assuming round is retro..so they just dont want to do that. For naked bikes, personally i think it still looks great. Maybe they could try that and design the rest of the bike that goes with that.
Yea I really regretted selling my 2nd gen MT09 and could not get in with the 3rd gen look but that’s why I got the XSR900! Even though it’s a 1st gen xsr900, it doesn’t suffer from looking outdated because it already carries a timeless, retro look. I do like the newer 4th gen mt09 look but already picked up another bike which has a more “timeless design” so gotta wait on that.
I learned one this from this video and it's that I greatly differ in my aesthetic preferences to CC. I think the new GS headlight looks infinitely better than the old design, the 2015 R1 refresh with the small lights looked amazing from the moment it was released and KTM design, even as a current Duke owner, are an aesthetic dumpster fire; especially the newest iterations. The current state of motorcycle design as a whole is so bad, in my opinion, that I'm truly struggling to narrow down my new bike options for my upgrade next year. I'm either interested in the general appearance of a bike but don't care for the feature set/mechanicals/etc or vice-versa. It's a tough time to be looking for a new bike despite the myriad options.
I actually like the look of the new hornet and I'm a sportsbike guy. The mt however, looks soulless to me. Kawasakis z series wins it for me in terms of asthetics.
Massimo Tamburini's magnum opus F4, F3 and Brutale designs for MV Agusta meld hard-edged mechanicals with organic curved elements--they embody the pinnacle of motorcycle design for me
I love bikes that look like animals, the Kawasaki ninja it's a dragon when you look closely! I like to imagine my bike is alive when it goes broom broom. It's either that or classic for me.
I was looking at new bikes and ended up going with a cb300r because of it's looks... and also I had a choice between an MT03, Svartpilen 401 and SCL500... and I was not feeling the MT03 and the other two were quite a bit more pricey than MT03 or CB... the Svartpilen was $7600CAD base-price... the cb came out to $7900 after taxes and fees.
For me, I really love the design of CB1000R with round headlight and single sided swingarm. It doesn't look fast or exciting but it looks premium and high class. It's a shame that I didn't have enough salary to effort it in time.
They should bring back/add names for motorbikes. I ride a GSF600 W….known as a Bandit. Hondas counterpart is the Hornet. It sounds cool af. They should give names to bikes, follow in the footsteps of Dodge and name them something mean (like charger, challenger, demon, hellcat etc)
I like the Duke headlight as it was and when I saw the new headlight I did not know what to think about it , but I start to like it , haven't see it for real .
Totally agree with your thoughts regarding MT-09 :) 2nd gen is the best, but for me it also took some time to like it. It looks aggressive, but not enough. Even Kawasaki looked more modern at this time. But we are not buying bikes looking only on their design. I don't see any alternative for that CP3 engine. That is why I've changed my 2nd gen to 4th. But have to say that I am tall and not all bikes are comfortable for me. For example BMW F900 gives much more for less money (better multimedia, launch without key, electric suspension).
Design in motorcycle is important with the engine because bikes like this are always a more emotional purchase than others and when you look back at your bike, its form tells a story of freedom and rebellion-a moving masterpiece that leaves you captivated by its beauty
im not really liking the new suzuki headlights. i feel headlights should be like eyes - either 2 side by side, or cyclops one eye, but not really 2 on top of each other.
For sports bikes the best design should be the perfect efficiency or cost or spec focused. I think most of the time design comes down to manufacturing profit efficiency based around collective data. We really need a future concept bike to hit manufacturing and give us a different type of riding.
4:17 Funnily enough, the new MT-10 design grew on me over time. I still wish it looked different though. It should reflect the MT-10 being a derivative of the R1 more imo. Also I think the new KTM headlights look insane. I hated them at first but they look brutal.
It looks like you change your mind to often about headlight design and how they look. Foe me all the modern headlights you mention look like Crap, they lack character. Many people mention aggressive look. I don't like aggressive look, but i do like Character and originality in design.
I don't like how the newer sport bikes look through and through. I have an 05 r6 and i think its aesthetically the most beautiful motorcycle ever made. The new bikes look alien and sharp, I don't like it.
As an older rider who has owned many sportbikes, I detest most of the modern headlight designs. The worst problem is that they are too small in AREA. BRIGHTNESS cannot make up for this, you need VOLUME of light to be seen. In the frantic, high-danger traffic of the eastern US, drivers have become EXTREMELY careless, and don't even see my giant FJR headlights. Also the huge number of DEER we have also will not see those tiny little twinkie lights. I'm afraid this will cost lives, screw how it "looks".
LEDs are bright but very focused light - since they've changed most street lighting in UK to LEDs the streets actually look much darker and it's harder to see because there's less ambient light, and theres much more contrast between lighted sections and dark (compensated a bit by making 20mph the default speed limit in a lot of places!)
As an experienced Stage-Lighting designer, I've recognized that LED's produce a far different wavelength of light than Incandescents, and it's not always good. As you mentioned, LED's throw-off a tighter beam, and so oncoming drivers (and DEER) can easily miss it, especially the single-bulb headlights, ala MT-10 and GSX.@@ByronWWW
I really don't know what Honda is doing. I had high hopes when they released the first generation of their Neo Café Sports line, and I still think the CB650R is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. It was the perfect mix of old school headlights, beautiful manifold and stock exhaust. The only downer was the shitty dashboard. And then they fuck it up by giving it a drop style headlight, round up the air intakes and giving it the same pointy tail as the hornets. But at least the replaced that dashboard....
Led strips on motorcycle do nothing for me but distract and make the motorcycle cost more. Give it a timeless design with a nice headlight and it wont ever be forgotten.
I think let’s talk about headlight design might’ve been a better title. I know you’re using headlights as an example but still would’ve made more sense 😅
I'm not a big fan of insectoid shaped headlights at all, yet all the manufacturers seem to be copying each other with them. I blame Triumph & the OG Speed Triple's dual round headlights for showing manufacturers that they can successfully move away from a single round headlight on a naked bike. But no one defined the limitations of how far they can go with it, hence here we are. I recently picked up an Aprilia Shiver where the previous owner replaced the headlight with a round LED light that barely protrudes past the forks. It's a much cleaner & more aggressive look IMO, that de-emphasizes the headlight in favour of highlighting the beefy front forks & trellis frame. If you're designing a motorcycle with a fairing of any description then go nuts with the headlight integration, because the emphasis will always be on the fairing. But, if you're designing a headlight for a naked bike, it should never detract from the celebration of the engine & frame if executed correctly. Sadly, most modern bikes are far from correctly executed.
I wonder just who thought a motorcycle needed woolly mammoth tusks sticking out of the fuel tank? Of course I’m referring to the Suzuki GSX8S. I probably should keep my opinions to myself because I own a 2022 Yamaha mt07.😂
I disagree with the last point about a possible FJ10 variant (like the FJ09). The MT10 has incredible sport touring capabilities, luggage is easily connected, heated grips, cruise control, the works. To just add a higher windscreen isn’t another whole new model in my opinion. Especially as the MT10 is a CP4 engine like the R1, but still super sensitive throttle like the MT09, which is still changeable on mode A, regular and B.
Meanwhile the luxury-full, technology-brimming FJR1300 gets overlooked constantly. People don't want the extra weight. I've ridden bikes between 400 and 500 pounds most of my life, but even when I took the FJR on a demo ride recently, nothing about how it handled and accelerated felt porky. At all.
to be honest, old bikes weren't much different. my 89 fzr 600 almost looks identical to the fireblade from the same timeframe. actually many bikes just looked like fireblades.
I'm not the one to say, as I liked the Versys 650 and the gen.1 Versys 1000, I like the Nuda 900 and other weird shapes, but these new bikes are just plain ridiculous.....
The first Gen Ducati monsters are the best looking nakeds ever produced. A nice deep dish round headlight is all that's needed. Over styled bikes don't fit into their surroundings and age like milk.
I guess we have to ask ourselves what the purpose of the lights are for……design or function? My old 1985 interceptor. With a new LED is way better than new bikes for function.
LED headlights are horrible. I was considering a Triumph and asked about a replacement headlight. $15,000 bike ... $3,000 for a replacement headlight. Nope. Very happy my FZ09 uses an H4 bulb.
I was a Yamaha and Honda fanboy, but they dropped the ball in the recent years and never found it... And I refuse to buy their fugly bikes, so I went to a different manufacturer. In addition, all Honda's new bikes are boring as fuck, maybe except for the Monkey and the RRR. The new Yamaha XSR-900 naked, MT-09 and MT-10 are terribad, "wtf they were smoking" grade designs. The MT-07 still has more outdated suspension than an MT-03. No wonder the non-japanese brands are gaining more and more marketshare every year.
part of the reason I bought a ducati is for the looks, if was concerned about performance and comfort first and foremost, I would have bought a kawasaki for less money.
The worst design fail on newer motorcycles is the rear end, with the license plate on a small stick one meter behind the rest of the bike.
Solution to that is a good and neat aftermarket " TAILTIDY ".
Showing badass Fat Rear tyre of motorcycles. 😊
I always thought those were cool. Back in the day we just had fat mudguards
@@GearShifter925 Yes, that makes 99 % of modern bikes so much more beautiful 😉
That should be the original look, but manufactures don't seem to like it. Anyway, "tailtidy" sounds so indian english 😅
@@carlosandleon I don't like them too much either 😅 Amazing how much better those bikes look after some modifications, especially old BMWs.
I always thought that this must be due to legislation somewhere on licence plate positioning. There is no way this is a voluntary design choice.
Most modern motorcycle designs are amazing, striking, cool, aggressive....but not beautiful. I do think the modern retro bikes are so popular at least in part because they do look beautiful.
I think they look boring
The circular headlights are just everywhere
@@hihellothere9569 Some would say that circular headlights are timeless with no need to stand out in a crowd. Different types of bikes for different types of riders.
@@MalfosRanger they do look good at being the default headlight, But they also have that effect of being boring because they are the default.
Meanwhile Triumph and ducati just being themselves not worrying about the insect design competition...
Also, love the new suzuki designs
Exactly, I just bought a Trident 660 and Ducati Monster and CB650r were my other options just because the headlights looks... Normal
The triumph street triple has looked like an insect (specifically a praying mantis) for years.
The problem with the Hornet is that Japanese designs have enormously inspired themselves of insects in recent decades (there was a Japanese name for that type of design, but I can't remember it for the life of me), so when Honda decided to make a bike worthy of the Hornet name, they got kinda stuck.
Regarding the KTM, you're right about bugs, and it just looks _busy_ to me, adding unnecessary stuff, which goes against my vision of the motorcycle ethos.
Someone in the comments said it made it look like a Transformer, and I'd agree: Michael Bay's Transformers, where unnecessary stuff is added during transformations to hide bad robot design.
I'm sure that's not the case here, but dang, it looks like it.
"Sugomi" design? I remember reading about that when the transformer looking 2014 Z1000 came out which I really wanted one but the dealerships in my area never brought it in.
in person the ktm headlight just looks unfinished, and cheap on top of it all
@@5e11even Exactly ^^
Hornet is the same as 2015 cb500f
@@kolour7611 Isn't the Hornet an I4 and the CB an I2 ?
Another aspect of what (I think) is going on here, is that projector headlights are substantially cheaper to produce than a custom designed enclosed headlight unit with a lens. It's much simpler to design and cheaper to manufacture some off the shelf projector headlamps that fit into injection-molded forms than it is to build an enclosed headlight that needs to be water tight and withstand heat from the lamps and impacts from road debris.
What we end up with are these generic beady-eyed lights that are inevitably insectoid, and as you pointed out an absolute pain to clean. A more rounded conversation about naked bike headlamps would include the new Monster (a modern take on the classic single round), Street Triple range (modern take on the dual eyes-like setup), and the Brutale (another classic single round). Those bikes have kept the more classic round, or dual eye-like headlight arrangements, which are more anthropomorphic and IMHO more appealing (I must be old fashioned) but still managed to pack in all the tech of LED running lights and projector lamps.
I never got used to the look of new bikes. Personally, I am still stuck in the early years of the 21st century and that design... The first Yamaha R series motorcycles were simply wonderful and to this day I consider them as peak of motorcycle design
As guy in my early 20's, the 2000's in my personal golden age of motorcycling. Great design, fuel injection, raw inputs, and low emission standard is why I love those bikes. My 2006 Suzuki doesn't even have a cat. Modern bikes are too busy, from the design to the electronics it's a bit much.
@@FunniestFlicks I'm currently in my mid 20s, but I think exactly in the same way
@@FunniestFlicks Exactly. Just think about all the different and colorful designs in that era: ZX7R, GSXR SRAD, Widowmaker R1, Honda 900RR.
All had a different and distinct style.
I own a GSXR K4 for more than 6 years now and although I have the money to buy something new, I'm simply not interested in any of those new bikes. I would rather get another 20 year old bike instead of something new.
I'm weirdly just not about them tbh. Those headlights are weird
Speaking of headlights, I wish companies started incorporating round headlights again, Honda's MC22 looks straight up beautiful imho and it's headlights just look so damn cool.
WIth the new gen of projector headlights, round headlights are just not that necessary anymore. Most neo-retro bikes have them, but newer bikes would not be a good fit in the retro style, as many actually like sharp edges and complicated forms
The 2020 Honda Rebels use 4 LEDs in a round bucket, so get the best of both worlds. I can see an argument of Honda playing it safe.
@@bjornrenard8131 yeah.. 😭 I definitely get why it needs to go, just makes me a little sad as I love the style of it so so much. I'm probably a small majority tho compared to the fans of the modern style nowadays and I think the modern sharp edges style doesn't look too bad either so I'm not that miffed abt it.
well, not a Japanese one, but CFMoto is bringing a small 125 model with 80's looks. it's called de XO-Papio
Agreed. There's something iconic and purposeful about twin round reflectors, circa 1988-90. Especially the 750 Super Sports in that era. And I, for one think Triumph's Speed Triple looked a whole lot better with round lights pre-2011...
I think another point worth talking about in Headlight design is readability/safety. The problem with two headlights horizontal is that for an oncoming driver there's two possible reads: A very close motorcycle or a very far away car. And since cars are much more common, that can lead to incorrect interpretations and consequently accidents. Thats why Ive traditionally been more fond of the single headlight, but the recent more elaborate designs (like BMW's X) might be even safer, since they are so very different from a car and the uniqueness makes it more likely that oncoming traffic takes a moment more to get a read on the situation instead of making a (potentially fatal) assumption.
0:03 sorry but NO; bikes have gotten only heavier over time, NOT lighter! ABS +1kg, EGR +0.5kg, big exhaust dampers +3kg, +, +, +....
8:04 KTM blinkers on the steering are an ugly "afterthought"!
And; nice idea & video, thanks!
Also better manufacturing has reduced chassis weight. What is the total weight? I don't know
I never got used to the current gen KTM design for the headlight. The bike looks great from every angle except the front (superduke look a bit better than the 890 and 390). New designs look so good! Good job kTM
What really struck me with the new KTM headlights (moreso on the 1390) is how well it fits into the design of the bike as a whole. The bodywork has a lot of hard angles, but there are also a lot of parallel lines among all the different parts that glue it together. That's something that the 990 and gen 1 1290 also did well. Not that the gen 2-3 1290s don't have a cohesive, aggresive design, but in comparison, the lines flow more gently.
Man I really love the 2017 ktm headlight and I own a duke 2017 myself.... this new headlight looks like a massive misstep
Looks really dated already
I really don't like these modern bikes that look like the designers spend their entire lives watching Transformers movies. If I had the money for a new bike, it would be going on a Guzzi Mandello, classic yet modern, sleek yet muscular...just a beautiful bike.
I reaaally dislike most motorcycle designs but the new Suzuki design language appeals to me. Still very very happy with how my Vitpilen 401 looks
YEahhhh Im on my Svarty 401, still think it's one of the nicest bikes out!! 25,000 kms and Im curious about something different but the Svarty is so hard to beat!!
Yeah, the Husky 401s have that perfect balance of old and new. Ever since I laid eyes on the Svartpilen it immediately became my dream bike because of the bold design while still paying homage to the classics.
I agree. The Vitpilen 701 still is the best looking bike I've ever seen. From the head light, to the taillight. The only thing I dislike about it is the dash. I'm glad they're bringing back the design with the 901!
Fellow 401 rider here aswell 🤟🏻
GSX-8R side-profile, I find to be a very attractive design. All the shapes just work, it's athletic and muscular looking, but also sleek and purposeful. Oh...... and the 776cc engine is already getting tunes on the aftermarket that gain BOTH 10 hp and 10 ft-lb at the wheel. Big fat meaty midrange.
MT10 "who is responsible of this?" 😂😂
100% agree. That new DUKE headlight is not a great update.
I think except the Panigale (sans the ugly winglets) and a couple of MVs- there's hardly a machine there which makes your heart skip a beat. The 2008 models of the R1 and 600RR, the 2016 Fireblade or even the boring yet the gorgeous CB1000R- they all reeked of some emotion behind the design and not just the engineering obligation of pushing close to the 200 bhp mark. I can imagine if I owned any of those, I'd always turn back for a second look- not sure I'd have the same feeling for the current crop of motorcycles.
I personally really miss headlights that followed conventional design of two "eyes" with projectors of bulbs behind a lense. I hate the new light pod/ insect look that most seem to be following, Suzuki and Yamaha being the most.
Suzuki japan insist 1 headlight despite everybody here in Asia asked them to produce 2 headlight. For us yamaha is the most beautiful follow by kawasaki and suzuki is the ugliest. So when suzuki put stack headlight, its still looks weird to us. But suzuki for us is the only bike brand that dare to not copying other brand. When you said suzuki, nope, suzuki never follow the trend. They living in their own world.
Thats why suzuki never popular in Asia, because they're "different"
2000 MV Augusta F4 750 is the benchmark (the Ducati 916 is a tie). Art uses technique to produce an emotional response. The designer should use his technique to express an emotion. The software world is full of designer this and that. Design Thinking, User Interface Design and User Experience Design.
I agree with that. I feel like the designers sat in the theater watching Transformers for too long. Form follows function used to be a thesis. But there have always been design flaws that ultimately led to sales flops. See BMW Scarver... or C1 Scooter. Royal Enfield, on the other hand, is celebrating success. Because they stuck to their old, simple design for a long time and are now only renovating moderately, Moto Guzzi also follows this... and is successful.
Great stuff, I would love to have you do the same kind of comparison, but instead of using headlights, use the Dash layout and design. I know Suzuki has really struggled in that department as well. Thanks for all your amazing content.
Many of the new designs are absurd. From Ducati's Angry Birds look to KTMs Praying Mantis look, to Yamaha's Transformers look, to Hondas and beyond. I'd bet any one of us here would be able to design a better looking headlight assembly in 10 minutes. So I've no idea what designers are smoking.
How did you miss to mention the Street Triple and its two glorious bulbs?😢
I’m with you. Love the KTM design the more I look at it 😎
i miss the old r1 headlight
I don't think there is a brand new motorcycle on the market right now that i actually really like.
I guess africa twin would be closest.
I really really hate those small led lights. I miss big lights with reflectors.
Also almost all use these digital dashes now. Hate them too. I want big analoge tachometer.
I really really liked early 2000 sport bikes.
Early r1 or r6 looked so amazing
Yamaha really has to be working on a Tracer 10 in secret or something. I guess it would be an instant buy for many older Yamaha lovers. The CP4 on a crossover? DEAL!
That ktm light looks like a predator mouth, searching for food that has escaped the gaping maw of it's corpulent host.
Maybe companies are assuming round is retro..so they just dont want to do that. For naked bikes, personally i think it still looks great.
Maybe they could try that and design the rest of the bike that goes with that.
Yea I really regretted selling my 2nd gen MT09 and could not get in with the 3rd gen look but that’s why I got the XSR900! Even though it’s a 1st gen xsr900, it doesn’t suffer from looking outdated because it already carries a timeless, retro look. I do like the newer 4th gen mt09 look but already picked up another bike which has a more “timeless design” so gotta wait on that.
So...what is this mystery 'other bike'?
@@chrissy.v It's nothing exciting and I'll probably post it on my channel or IG one day if I ever get back into posting stuff again.
That XSR900GP bike is a beautiful thing.
I learned one this from this video and it's that I greatly differ in my aesthetic preferences to CC. I think the new GS headlight looks infinitely better than the old design, the 2015 R1 refresh with the small lights looked amazing from the moment it was released and KTM design, even as a current Duke owner, are an aesthetic dumpster fire; especially the newest iterations. The current state of motorcycle design as a whole is so bad, in my opinion, that I'm truly struggling to narrow down my new bike options for my upgrade next year. I'm either interested in the general appearance of a bike but don't care for the feature set/mechanicals/etc or vice-versa. It's a tough time to be looking for a new bike despite the myriad options.
That’s precisely why i personally adore Suzuki‘s new design language, that crazy Cyclops style is very appealing
I actually like the look of the new hornet and I'm a sportsbike guy. The mt however, looks soulless to me. Kawasakis z series wins it for me in terms of asthetics.
I'm sure in a couple of gens KTM Duke will have the headlight mounted on the ever protruding tank shrouds.
I think they need to put centre stands on all bikes. It would make life so much easier when it came to maintenance.
9:00 you should check out the GX in person, it really looks good in the blue or green
Massimo Tamburini's magnum opus F4, F3 and Brutale designs for MV Agusta meld hard-edged mechanicals with organic curved elements--they embody the pinnacle of motorcycle design for me
I love bikes that look like animals, the Kawasaki ninja it's a dragon when you look closely! I like to imagine my bike is alive when it goes broom broom. It's either that or classic for me.
I was looking at new bikes and ended up going with a cb300r because of it's looks... and also I had a choice between an MT03, Svartpilen 401 and SCL500... and I was not feeling the MT03 and the other two were quite a bit more pricey than MT03 or CB... the Svartpilen was $7600CAD base-price... the cb came out to $7900 after taxes and fees.
For me, I really love the design of CB1000R with round headlight and single sided swingarm. It doesn't look fast or exciting but it looks premium and high class.
It's a shame that I didn't have enough salary to effort it in time.
Cant think of a single modern naked bike that doesnt look like sh"t.
Hi Chaos Causes, can you please tell me which Brand are your Bikerboots from. They look very good and i can‘t find them anywhere. Thanks!
Why haven't we mentioned British and Italian bikes? Oh yeah, beacuse they still know how to make beautiful bikes.
Apart from the Daytona that's not made anymore, not sure which British bikes look good
@@ByronWWW Triumph tiger 660, triumph rocket 3, speed triple 1200 rr, the new 400's, royal enfield scramblers, meteor 650, interceptor, to name a few.
@@grtbgf not really a fan of the retro looking stuff, speed triple looks good though, especially the moto2 edition
This is why like my CF Moto 450SS
The Z 1000 is the gold standard for naked aesthetics imo.
Really love the stacked headlight on the Suzuki range
They should bring back/add names for motorbikes. I ride a GSF600 W….known as a Bandit.
Hondas counterpart is the Hornet.
It sounds cool af.
They should give names to bikes, follow in the footsteps of Dodge and name them something mean (like charger, challenger, demon, hellcat etc)
I like the Duke headlight as it was and when I saw the new headlight I did not know what to think about it , but I start to like it , haven't see it for real .
one of the main things that made me go with a cb300r was its "face" otherwise i would probably have gotten a duke instead
Totally agree with your thoughts regarding MT-09 :) 2nd gen is the best, but for me it also took some time to like it. It looks aggressive, but not enough. Even Kawasaki looked more modern at this time. But we are not buying bikes looking only on their design. I don't see any alternative for that CP3 engine. That is why I've changed my 2nd gen to 4th. But have to say that I am tall and not all bikes are comfortable for me. For example BMW F900 gives much more for less money (better multimedia, launch without key, electric suspension).
Good luck with your back. Best wishes.
Im pretty excited to see Hondas new cb1000. I love the way the kawi z1000 looks and wish they still made that instead of the z900 honestly
I honestly can't relate. I still hate every single one of those designs just as much as I did on the first day.
Design in motorcycle is important with the engine because bikes like this are always a more emotional purchase than others and when you look back at your bike, its form tells a story of freedom and rebellion-a moving masterpiece that leaves you captivated by its beauty
im not really liking the new suzuki headlights. i feel headlights should be like eyes - either 2 side by side, or cyclops one eye, but not really 2 on top of each other.
In in love with suzuki's GSX s750 headlight
Also, to mention that headlight industry is usually outsource from established brands.
Modern MC designs don’t upset me, they just convince me not to buy one. Every bike discussed in this video looks like pure sh*t.
For sports bikes the best design should be the perfect efficiency or cost or spec focused. I think most of the time design comes down to manufacturing profit efficiency based around collective data.
We really need a future concept bike to hit manufacturing and give us a different type of riding.
Yamaha its time to bring out the Tracer 10 gt or Tracer 1000. Kawasaki maybe the Versys H2 ☺️
Tracer 10 sounds so cool man!
4:17 Funnily enough, the new MT-10 design grew on me over time. I still wish it looked different though. It should reflect the MT-10 being a derivative of the R1 more imo. Also I think the new KTM headlights look insane. I hated them at first but they look brutal.
It looks like you change your mind to often about headlight design and how they look.
Foe me all the modern headlights you mention look like Crap, they lack character.
Many people mention aggressive look. I don't like aggressive look, but i do like Character and originality in design.
KTM superbike headlight evolution has been spot on
I don't like how the newer sport bikes look through and through. I have an 05 r6 and i think its aesthetically the most beautiful motorcycle ever made. The new bikes look alien and sharp, I don't like it.
5:56 I might hurt you, but search for TVS Apache RTR 310, isn't it looking too similar to gen2 mt09 face?
As an older rider who has owned many sportbikes, I detest most of the modern headlight designs. The worst problem is that they are too small in AREA. BRIGHTNESS cannot make up for this, you need VOLUME of light to be seen. In the frantic, high-danger traffic of the eastern US, drivers have become EXTREMELY careless, and don't even see my giant FJR headlights. Also the huge number of DEER we have also will not see those tiny little twinkie lights. I'm afraid this will cost lives, screw how it "looks".
LEDs are bright but very focused light - since they've changed most street lighting in UK to LEDs the streets actually look much darker and it's harder to see because there's less ambient light, and theres much more contrast between lighted sections and dark (compensated a bit by making 20mph the default speed limit in a lot of places!)
As an experienced Stage-Lighting designer, I've recognized that LED's produce a far different wavelength of light than Incandescents, and it's not always good. As you mentioned, LED's throw-off a tighter beam, and so oncoming drivers (and DEER) can easily miss it, especially the single-bulb headlights, ala MT-10 and GSX.@@ByronWWW
I love big headlights
They look like eyes and give the machines character
FJR1300 has a nice set of eyes.
I really don't know what Honda is doing. I had high hopes when they released the first generation of their Neo Café Sports line, and I still think the CB650R is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. It was the perfect mix of old school headlights, beautiful manifold and stock exhaust. The only downer was the shitty dashboard.
And then they fuck it up by giving it a drop style headlight, round up the air intakes and giving it the same pointy tail as the hornets. But at least the replaced that dashboard....
Led strips on motorcycle do nothing for me but distract and make the motorcycle cost more. Give it a timeless design with a nice headlight and it wont ever be forgotten.
44 Teeth commented that KTM duke headlight looks like lady parts. Can’t unsee it now
I think let’s talk about headlight design might’ve been a better title. I know you’re using headlights as an example but still would’ve made more sense 😅
Same for the 2023 HD Roadglide CVO, i think the headlights are gawdy and just the ugliest thing i've seen from the MoCo
Which naked bike is good to wheelie ?
I'm not a big fan of insectoid shaped headlights at all, yet all the manufacturers seem to be copying each other with them. I blame Triumph & the OG Speed Triple's dual round headlights for showing manufacturers that they can successfully move away from a single round headlight on a naked bike. But no one defined the limitations of how far they can go with it, hence here we are.
I recently picked up an Aprilia Shiver where the previous owner replaced the headlight with a round LED light that barely protrudes past the forks. It's a much cleaner & more aggressive look IMO, that de-emphasizes the headlight in favour of highlighting the beefy front forks & trellis frame.
If you're designing a motorcycle with a fairing of any description then go nuts with the headlight integration, because the emphasis will always be on the fairing. But, if you're designing a headlight for a naked bike, it should never detract from the celebration of the engine & frame if executed correctly. Sadly, most modern bikes are far from correctly executed.
That new Suzuki GX looks hella nice bro wym 😭
I wonder just who thought a motorcycle needed woolly mammoth tusks sticking out of the fuel tank? Of course I’m referring to the Suzuki GSX8S. I probably should keep my opinions to myself because I own a 2022 Yamaha mt07.😂
Already put downpayment on the new 1000 Hornet. I personally find it beatiful
2:32 Me neither but at least it isn’t ugly
I fucking hate how the headlights on those look, I swear I like the single or big double lights way more
yea seen the KTM new front light was like dam they really went far out with that one hopefully there will be a nice balance soon
Something like mt10 with big windscreen... I think you forgot about Tracer9 just like Yamaha did
The hornet looks more like a street fighter more than anything else
I feel like Triumphs have the best design
I disagree with the last point about a possible FJ10 variant (like the FJ09). The MT10 has incredible sport touring capabilities, luggage is easily connected, heated grips, cruise control, the works. To just add a higher windscreen isn’t another whole new model in my opinion. Especially as the MT10 is a CP4 engine like the R1, but still super sensitive throttle like the MT09, which is still changeable on mode A, regular and B.
Meanwhile the luxury-full, technology-brimming FJR1300 gets overlooked constantly. People don't want the extra weight. I've ridden bikes between 400 and 500 pounds most of my life, but even when I took the FJR on a demo ride recently, nothing about how it handled and accelerated felt porky. At all.
to be honest, old bikes weren't much different. my 89 fzr 600 almost looks identical to the fireblade from the same timeframe. actually many bikes just looked like fireblades.
I hope you get well soon ❤ take care 🙏
I think the new Suzuki looks nicer than the multistrada
I'm not the one to say, as I liked the Versys 650 and the gen.1 Versys 1000, I like the Nuda 900 and other weird shapes, but these new bikes are just plain ridiculous.....
nuda is good, never heard anyone say it was ugly. Except for the atrocious headlight
The first Gen Ducati monsters are the best looking nakeds ever produced. A nice deep dish round headlight is all that's needed. Over styled bikes don't fit into their surroundings and age like milk.
Man read my mind
The sexiest supersport and superbikes were built in the mid 2000s. No doubt about that.
I don't think there is a single KTM bike that I actually enjoy the design of at all, they all seem pretty hideous all around to me
I have a hot take
I dont like circular only headlights
The retro look is cool but if it just a single bulb and nothing else i think it just sucks
The hornet has angry eyebrows over the lights.
Also I like the guzzi logo in their newer model lights
I guess we have to ask ourselves what the purpose of the lights are for……design or function? My old 1985 interceptor. With a new LED is way better than new bikes for function.
LED headlights are horrible. I was considering a Triumph and asked about a replacement headlight. $15,000 bike ... $3,000 for a replacement headlight. Nope.
Very happy my FZ09 uses an H4 bulb.
Just throw a round LED headlight on there and call it a day, they look best. Eg, Honda CBxxxR, Triumph Speed 400, etc.
What about square headlights? Like the 80s Honda XR or Yamaha XT600 or Yamaha TW200?
Didn't mention the Change in the ZX6R. Tragic!!!
jk lol, nice video!
I was a Yamaha and Honda fanboy, but they dropped the ball in the recent years and never found it... And I refuse to buy their fugly bikes, so I went to a different manufacturer. In addition, all Honda's new bikes are boring as fuck, maybe except for the Monkey and the RRR. The new Yamaha XSR-900 naked, MT-09 and MT-10 are terribad, "wtf they were smoking" grade designs. The MT-07 still has more outdated suspension than an MT-03. No wonder the non-japanese brands are gaining more and more marketshare every year.
part of the reason I bought a ducati is for the looks, if was concerned about performance and comfort first and foremost, I would have bought a kawasaki for less money.