A bad Set Of Alright (?) Toys…Pain |
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A bad Set Of Alright Toys…Pain | #transformers Masterpiece MPG Raiden/Trainbots 
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i sense a very bad fall of a shelf
That is the fate that befell my nbk devastator
that'd probably why he won't be displayed in combiner mode, or even bot mode, train mode is the safest
@Overlord_editz I feel you bro my planet x Vulcan met the same fate
@@Tf_hazbin dang thats my grail i feel bad for you
And you just know these guys aren't surviving it
So basically what went wrong with this was they focused more on selling these to train collectors than to transformers collectors.
It was made to be compatible with Tomy's train sets.
I’d personally like some Plarail scale Transformers if possible.
Considering how massive train collecting is compared to how small Transformer collecting is since 2013 in Japan, they seemed to make the right call.
@@mindwars101 I will never get how collecting static objects, and boring objects like trains, can be more popular than collecting cool transforming robots. People don't have their priorities straight I swear lol
It looks like a Megazord that came from Lightspeed Rescue
I stand by my comment that this is a literal trainwreck
That’s good I’m stealing that
So I guess you could say overall the combine mode is kinda of a train wreck
Bad dapp bow
Ba dum tis
😂
Same brain
Sans in the background "that's my boy/girl"
For $150+ per bot, I thought that the combined mode would be Haslab Unicron sized
It’s about as successful a toy as Unicron was…
Judging by the size of the legs, we all thought that.
Wrong one
It’s the one for 170 not the individual one cause that has not been completed needs two more
And getting all of them would cost 600 so it would not be that bad as the 170 one
Model trains are HUGE in Japan, like one of if not the largest collectors markets in the country. So it's less the issue that Takara focused on the "wrong aspect" and more that aspect they focused on is really the only reason Raiden was made in the first place.
And yet they still managed to fuck that up, half of these trains don't even fit in the place of model trains due to some weird placement of the wheels lol
Well, then takara decided to f*ck everyone else up, because no matter how huge the train fan crowd is, it is no match for all the other transformer fans combined in other part of Asia, America, Europe, and elsewhere. In that sense, we have every single right to say that they made a wrong design choice. If you can't make it, don't make the product in the first place.
@@jkliao6486 Due to Hasbro and Takara's agreement made back in the 80s, when Takara makes an original product without Hasbro like the MP line, they can't sell it directly to anyone outside of Japan without a 3rd party like Hasbro or a western retailer (it's why the MP line is always more expensive from non-Japanese retailers), and thus only considers the profit their products make in Japan as successes or failures. So seeing as how massive the sales for the Trainbots were, they seemed to have made the right design for their profits.
@@jkliao6486how did you even get that number?????
@@mightybluespider By logic. What is the population in Japan vs everywhere else?
If someone ever upscales a KO of these guys, I’m getting the little chubby hip dude.
that’s what i was thinking lmao
Dudes on TFW will call all third-party figures "low-quality bootlegs" and then say that this one is better than Moon Studios Radiatron.
I mean, the Moon Studios' combined mode isn't all that much to write home about either. Those shoulder joints are horrendous.
TFG Raiden don't hold together well
Moon Studios Raidatron fucking explodes
@@SideswipePrime606 You have to know how to manipulate them. You actually have to pull the shoulders out before turning them. People _mishandling them_ is making them explode in a lot of cases
Do you have the moon studio set?@@SideswipePrime606
@@galaxycameratahow?
I’ve seen Jenga towers more stable than that combined mode.
So the dude's got a beam saber, a rifle and falls apart all the time
*flashback to the MG Unicorn*
Why’d you remind me of that abomination.
Yeah the focus on this set was the realistic accuracy of the train modes. I personally would recommend the Moon Studios over this as it has a great overall design and quality and isn’t an overpriced set.
"I'm not showing the one who's the same color as me... BECAUSE-" perfectly timed ad
Jeez, and i thought Combiner Wars Menasor was bad, at least that one could stay together
Especially if you got the Wave 4 refresh that fixed the uneven hip ratchets
Bro be carrying beam rifle and beam saber
Bro thinks he's a Gundam
Combiner Wars once again reigns supreme. Yes, that toyline suffered from a lack of limb variety and some torsos being worse than others, but at least they were all around the same plastic quality, were durable, and worked about the same for each limb mode. Standout limb boys were Rook/Swindle/Hound, the Skydive/Air Raid mold (so nice, they reused it in POTP twice), Alpha Bravo/Blades/Vortex, and Off-Road/First Aid/Ironhide/Trailbreaker; standout torsos were Silverbolt/Cyclonus/Scattershot and Hot Spot/Onslaught/Pyra Magna.
Ha... My Silverbolt literally BROKE when I went to Pick him up/Take his Combined mode apart...
Only the torsos based on the Silverbolt mold were good, Everything else was average to terrible.
Nope, Sky Lynx/Dezarus and Hot Spot/Onslaught/Pyra were stellar too. Only the semi trucks really suffered.
Dang it, I forgot Sky Lynx! He’s honestly really fun as just a budget version of the character if you don’t want to splurge on his Earthrise version AND Sky Reign incorporates his lynx half pretty well as a compromise for him being stuck in bird-cat mode
Legacy Menasor is better than all of them.
I think MP06 Kaen causes most of problems of combiner: short legs, big ass, unstable, loose joints... in the internet, i saw some kits that replace Kaen completely and that made Raiden so much better.
This set looked promising, as Takara had a lot of training in both Tramsformers and model trains. The train modes were on the right track, for sure - but skewed priorities ended up derailing the whole package. It's hard to Express what a letdown this was - the combined mode can't pull the weight of its own carriage, and unless stationed on its stand, it falls over like it was shot with a Bullet. Though, it's hard to say if the Moon Studios version is better, since many copies are reported to brake down. But at the end of the day, this release was a trainwreck - a steaming pile of coal. Honestly, I think it could've turned out better if it was done in CHUG.
...And that's just about every train pun I could fit in there.
I feel they really should have made trainvots that were normal and then have trainbots that were focused on the train aspect and the combine part was just a side feature
Yeah, it's a huge letdown for both demographics.
Transformers fans won't want it because it's super flimsy when combined and even on their own the figures still have their own issues, meanwhile train fans won't want it either since they could easily buy more intricate models that run and function for the same price as these figures.
Takara could've easily compromised to appeal to both target demographics but due to the focus on one, now neither want it in the end, which is such a bummer too since train transformers outside of Astrotrain feel like a rarity.
Magic Square is doing one at Legends Scale.
Well at least there's hope
Ayoo
Like i predicted...Pain and lots of it
The fact that people defend this set as "it just has qc issues and not everyone has them" is so wild to me. Especially when a lot of the issues shown here I have seen in person and in other reviews. Plus mp should not have THIS bad of qc.
Yeah, it's inasscuseable for this price point and this company.
I mean one out of like 1000 is a qc, but these guys are not a qc problem, their just bad
It would be awesome if they made a affordable version for stores. They would sell so fast.
I'd buy 100%
Make them all Core Class
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHonchohonestly? Fuck it. More core combiners. It makes it affordable, and as long as they don’t screw us by making a SINGLE MEMBER IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND [im very mad that my Volcanicus only has his right leg], I’d buy the hell out of it!
@@ThePuff18 Hey, at least Snarl's a dandy figure on his own. Shame we're at the point where HasTak is throwing out Core entirely. Maybe we could get $60 boxsets with every team member included
1:51 Wait...what kinds of slur? Genuinely not sure why or what slur that hater would use on you but aye Bruv, you got more love than hate so don't let that get to ya!
It was cause I said I liked the way Shouki looked more than the moon studios one. So someone called me a slur for brown people in the comments.
@@ThatToyGuyWTF is wrong with people genuinely. Sometimes I hate this fandom
@ThatToyGuy That is real shitty and uncalled for. Plus the combined mode is the winner of the 3rd Party. The rest do fall apart a bit especially Train Modes compared to the MPG
People can be mean, and people can't. It is the internet, but still, that's uncalled for
@THEeternalllama I mean it is kinda sad to see that be the first resort to a small difference in opinion.
if these are the ones ive been seeing ads for on figure websites for the last, year i guess?, then im sad that they released with so many issues.
The problem is their main goal was to make the train modes the best to appeal to the Japanese model train collectors.
Yeah.
I think it could have been possible to do but they needed to start with the combined mode first.
Yeah, that was always the goal of this set. Trains are _huge_ in Japan; it's kind of the whole reason the Trainbots existed from the get-go. Like, they didn't do this set because Raiden is an iconic character.
they should just make and sell the train and don't make it transform because their engineer are suck a$$
@RedneckOgre9000 yep, thats all it was for. appealing to americans that takara legally cannot sell the toys to isnt a major concern.
At this point, I'd probably just pass on both modern versions and just shell out the cash for a G1 version. You can probably find one for the price of the MPG Raiden's MSRP anyway.
Dang, it really fell short of my expectations, it makes me feel sad that they couldn't get the "Flagship" set to wow the fans. I mean he is large and fancy with a heck of a shelf presence, i just hope he stays up on it safely.
Pain incarnate
A shelf doomed
Shin raiden
Pain is the only thing he knows for real
the moon studio one might have problems but at least they look good. these have problems while simultaneously look bad. that's a record. giving me FOC bruticus vibes
moon studios ones dont look like trains in train mode and have a weird, stretched out shouki so theyre worse by default
@@boarpsimson8675 id you display this hundreds of dollar transformable figure as trains? Yeah exactly
This reminds me of the TFC Leokaiser, utter spaghetti, but looks amazing and impressive on a shelf...as long as you never move it again.
They look like if a 3rd party company tried to make Legacy figures, and failed...
Apparently there’s a Legends Scale Raiden being made, maybe that one will be the figure this character deserves. (But I do hope for a chug Raiden one day)
_excuse me what the fuck?_
I recently started a new job and had these figures on my radar. I'm glad I saw this before making an expensive mistake.
Epick fig thankyou for sharing dont think i gona transform him more than 1 time before display
I’m only interested in 2 or 3 of these figures, mainly the arm guys and maybe one other, but I never really cared about the combination (even less after watching this video) but I just think a couple of them look pretty cool.
So I've been messing with my copy, and either I got better qc or did something different? Mine doesn't fall apart.
On Kaen try turning the hip connector parts 180° so the detailed part is on the back? It changes how far Kaen's lower legs goes in. Shouki to Kaen's slider also stops at first but can go a bit further in.
In combined mode his shoulders can go all the way up but you gotta make sure nothing is clashing between the wing, chest & shoulders.
Yukikaze's combined ankle is actually on a screw that you can tighten.
It's less of a mess but I agree, still a PAIN
I've sort of switched to collecting just core class now, and the occasional bigger bot, and I feel like a Raiden could work at that scale? making accurate modes isn't necessary, because it's legends and it's small, and compromises could be made like with Volcanicus but they're trains so it probably wouldn't be as many. generally I feel like after Volcanicus, if they do a better system for arms, that size could work really well for mostly-all-inclusive combiners, 6 bots especially since then the torso doesn't have to be bigger, not really any weight concerns and they're affordable and don't have to really deal with scaling with things as much since it's all about the same height.
Nice review, Watching it come apart is stressful all over again, i was surprised you said its their first time making a combiner since we have seen many combiners over the years from takara, most recently Menasor. Hopepfully MPG gets better over time. Have fun✌️
Thanks man! I more meant their first time making an mp combiner, but Takara has made several other combiners in the past so this one I feel still shouldn't have been like this
@@ThatToyGuy ahhh ok👍
I've already broken my yukikaze at the leg because of little clearance for transformation, to the point that he has been put back in his box. Haven't messed with it for a couple of weeks.
masterpiece doesn't look like masterpiece anymore
I kinda want it now just because it's so bad, would be an interesting piece... when it gets wayyyyyyy cheaper
This combiner is triggering my LG God Ginrai memories.
These look better with chug than MP. I think that really exemplifies their problems. I never saw these and said oh cool a new masterpiece. I might not be a fan of mp44 but when I see it I know it’s a masterpiece. These look like really expensive main line hasbro figures.
“Pain” enough said of these combiners set
Enough said about that toy guy as he fights with the qc goblin till he is a father
Combiners aren't that bad in smaller scales, but masterpieces don't make for good combiners due to how many moving parts there are in each individual figure.
@@BlitzkriegOmega so true
So your Getsuei may be a quality control issue. Mine is fine and connects securely, Yukikaze, I have the same issue with his legs though it started recently when I began messing with them, Shouki's backpack, I've seen a video where you can compress it more and make it not a mess, as for the arm guys, I usually have something clear behind them to help them stand up, also I only recently began having issues with the combine mode staying together but for some reason it seems to have something to do with the stand.
Also, my whole set was $898.12 after shipping and tax, AND I got the MPG-06S version of Kaen, I still love this set, problems and all.
Could you do a video on your opinion of what a combiner should be, I know we have had many vids on combining transformers, but what you consider as your most enjoyable combining method is what im interested by.
There are the armor ups like Omega Prime and seige Ultra magnus, the easy links like the combiner wars or fall of cybertron Bruticus, the just a limb like the bumblebee combiner from rid, im intrigued into what you like in a combining transformer, mine is RiD 2001 rail racer as it locks together well, has fun proportions and is what I want from a train combiner.
Please and thanks 😊 🙏
Kinda happy this was the first mp combiner instead of devastator. That would have been a lot more disappointing
At least devastators are coming out in the 3rd party market
Except isn’t MP dead now because of these things?
@@frenchfriedbagel7035 weirdly not, it's just moving over to mpg
Surprised they did not do The constructions or Arielbots first!
Thank you for the video. I already bought shouki a few months back but I was Leary about spending a grand on this. Giving the poor quality I definitely won’t now
I have the Moon Studios set and IDK if I just lucked out or what but mine has no issues and looks awesome in both robot and combined modes. Trains are just okay but at least they're kind of big. Having looked at and handled the MPG version I definitely would recommend the Moon Studios version.
Just got back for the live😂
I lucked out with a really good copy of Raiden, and my Getsui is still broken (the screw in his waist/combined mode ankle just... stopped working. Thankfully the assembly still works as a peg). Still, the Moon Studios name aside it *is* Zeta toys and they *do* have a reputation.
I have the Moon Studios Raiden, and while I thankfully haven't experienced any of the breakage issues, it does seem like a lot of the combination spots are uncooperative, and posing is incredibly difficult.
which optimus were you comparing the combined mode to? also train pain
This thing is definitely a disaster, but at least the upper body looks somewhat nice. Plus I feel like it would be very popular despite the flaws with model train collectors.
"I'm not going to show the whole transformation, just the parts I don't like."
_shows most of the transformations_
He's smaller than I expected lol
Its so weird how Kaen is more ass than torso. They could have designed Kaen better by parts forming to it stacks higher in combiner mode.
@@DewlayLomo I would complain about parts forming, but it does it anyways so who cares anymore
I’ve never had a combiner, and looking at this is terrifying
It’s so bad he didn’t even say bye
is it just me or does the combine mode look squshed
Man, it looks like you got borked on QC with these guys because my set doesn’t have most of the problems shown here (aside from Yukikaze’s panels not sticking together).
The key to getting him stood up solidly is by leaning him forward in a gundam stance. When the tops of Getsuei and Yukikaze are level with the table then you know it’s in the proper configuration
Maybe that would be viable if the left leg stayed in place.
Is it true that this is the future of all Masterpiece figures now that the line has ended? I don't want a future of MPG like this. I'm really put off of this line of figures, and I love trains, robots, and train robots.
The G in the new line won't necessarily mean "Gattai." Its just there to sound cool.
I had wanted this set cause I ached to see a modern Raiden, but decided it wait til I saw how it all came together. I'm now quite happy I did wait cause it clearly didn't come together at all.
It's an utter train wreck.
"This is bad comedy!"
The upper legs are too short Is there and upgrade kit or something???
Yes
@@ThatToyGuy how much does the upgrade kit cost??? i hope Is not more than the robot and i also Hope tat you make a video about It because i found no information about the kit.
It's funny how, even tho we can only see your hands, it's very obvious how afraid of it falling over you are when you handle it
I have both the MS and the MPG sets, I like the way they look, but both are very unwieldy in their own ways. I’ve been wanting a new Raiden for a long time to display opposite to devastator, but unfortunately it feels like we’ll have to wait for either Hasbro to make a proper CHUG one, or another 3p company to tackle these boys. Either way, I need more train combiners in my life
as i had the box set for the 6th one once i get them all they will either be in train mode or on a stand in combined mode
I own 2 of the 6, and currently I haven't had any issues
All aboard the Pain Train.
I feel your Kaen may be unlucky. Mine don’t have any looseness
For the amount it costs that is inexcusable. I can't believe they are hanging up MP to focus on MPG
8:21 I feel like you wanted to finish that sentence in a different way than you started it
For a grand? HELL NAW
First product of this line always experiment. G mean Gattai, Giant, Gimmick. Old MP already giant. Expect reissue of MP- 01 or MP - 10.
*Laughs in Moon Studios*
Like I said with LazyEyebrow with his Shouki video, the way this thing frustrated you, it sounds like you got tied to the front of a bullet train that went thru ALL of of Japan at the fastest speed possible
This Trainwreck was a funny thing because choo Choo train good review
The trainbots are so bad 💀
I mean the trains look great very accurate the other modes are alright or not good the combiner needs a life support stand to have a chance to stand up. The combiner looks alright and that’s just it has a hard time holding a pose and trying to get him into a pose ends up in stuff falling apart.
If this was a mainline thing made up of voyagers and leaders with these issues it would suck but not spent over 1000$ sucking like if this set is gonna be 1000$ then it should feel like that but this set doesn’t hold up
How do I find this where to find this please I neeeed this 🌞
i think takara didnt try to fit HO in this ,the main IDEA was to make it HO then everything else tricked down from it
24:14
Just wanted to say that Raiden's shoulder joints CAN go further than that; You just need to move Shouki's shoulder wings out of the backpack's way.
I think I’ll just get one or two and really enjoy the train/robot
The combined mode just feels like a super link level afterthought
Nice
man that leg doesn't look like it's all the way in
The combined mode of that abomination is absolutely awful in every way. Their train modes are top tier and by far the best look of em all
One might say this set is a…😎👌*trainwreck*
🌅YE-AAAAAAAAAH!!!!
I still can’t believe how terrible this entire set looks, especially in combined mode. I could care less about cartoon accuracy, but that’s an abysmal looking combined mode. And then to add on top of it how bad the tolerances are and how little it’s articulated, I just can’t understand what takara was thinking. I’ve seen a lot of people giving this thing a pass and for how expensive it is I just don’t see any redeeming qualities, even if you are really into the model trains. Truly sad to see this being considered a masterpiece, and even more sad to see how far takara has fallen.
I knew the combined had a lot of issues but I was considering buying this for the bot modes, cos I enjoy a good combiner team working as like a unified squadron... so hearing the bot modes also have quite a lot of issues is very disappointing for the price.
I wish I could buy these guys, I love trains and I love transformers. Sure the combine mode sucks but this was takara first try of a combiner at masterpiece levels so I knew it wasn't gonna be perfect so did that make me mad and wanna meme takara and Raiden,no because I was happy to finally see Raiden get some modern combiner unlike a lot of other official and non official transformers combiners
crazy how like tfc's hercules and the early fansproject combiners are somehow way better looking and way more stable than this thing
like how do you fuck up so badly you end up losing to figures from nearly a decade ago
I have the moon studio set. I don't have any of the issues you brought up. You might want to get or borrow a set to actually review. I do recommend transforming them correctly when you do. I know a lot of my buddies mistransforming them.
I got this set since it’s the only official train bots so maybe some 3D printing can help at-least keep the combiner stable. It’s really inexcusable on Takara how floppy everything is.
And Getsu-aye (a as in "ate"). THe rest you got the pronunciation right!
Man there isn't alot of train transformers,
Ok nvm I found the price 💀💀💀
Man. I think you got really bad luck with your QC control.
I have almost none of the joint problems you do.
Legs stay attached, backpacks won't fall off, everything is just nice and tight
I respect your comments on each individual toy, whether i agree or not and generally, overall, think your criticisms are valid and well considered.
HOWEVER, i think framing this toy as a failure for prioitising the train modes and train scale is unfair and disingenuous. To say you don't like the combined mode is one thing, but to say this figure was tryign to have a good combined mode and fails is flatout wrong lol.
You're right, combiners and multichangers in general do have one mode that's shafted, for this it was the combined mode. That can be ok, actually, especially considering, imo, the other modes are generally successful.
I only own Getsuei, Seizan and Kaen and planning to get Ginou/h over Shouki, but i like all of them individually.
I don't want to be a dick but i wasnt a fan of this video.
For the price there should be absolutely nothing wrong with them hell you can get a devil saviour devastator for the same price lets be honest these are pretty atrocious in almost every aspect except the train mode
Hope they remake the trainbots in legacy at a affordable price
Whilst i have considered the mpg trainbots as more fit for chug than mp......maybe a remake at that scale would Be for the best.
Not happening soon since Hasbro has an allergy with Train Transformers not named Astrotrain since Rail Racer from RID2001 flopped.
@@kendiaz89 aw man, well...... we'll have to do with what we have
I would love for it to happen and maybe have Hasbro pulled a takara and change toys but still invoke the original team, like maybe make all six take an American locomotive design instead of Japanese and use fallen railroad names on them instead would be so cool and I believe would sell like hot cakes here in USA and canada
@@Heroduothecomedian come to think of it , that would rock.
But i also have another proposition:what if they Made the trainbots into steam engines?, british ones to be presise.
It would work as an au of sorts, like, what if they landed on britain instead of Japan?
I got so much shit about my Shouki shoulders on my video. One just won't stay together in combined form. I wanted to like this. I really did
Even at $600 USD this is BAD. That is not including shipping,BTW