What are some misconceptions about hell? w/Lee Strobel
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2022
- Some people have not thought deeply about the doctrine of hell. And many have misconceptions on this topic. People should go deeper theologically on this, which will help eliminate many doubts and unbiblical ideas.
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I love Lee Strobel. And you too, Alisa. You're so smart. I'm so grateful that you're a Christian.
I had to stop listening after 1:40s. I love yours AND Lee Strobel's ministries, Alisa. Don't get me wrong. But I've heard this whole "figurative language" explanation of Hell and the persistent regressing it down to "eternal separation from God." It is that, but it's much more. And Strobel's claim that hell fire and torment OF said fire is "figurative" - doesn't hold water, according to the Lord Jesus Himself...
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I could list more. But according to the Lord Jesus and the prophets of the OT, the fire is real. And agonizingly painful. And it never, ever ends.
Thank you for posting this reply!
Sodom and Gomorrah were literal, real cities that really were destroyed by God by fire. They were burned with _eternal fire,_ Jude 7.
Where is that fire now?
How do you reconcile the verses that roughly mention being “tormented in the presence of God and His angels and the smoke going up forever” with “eternal punishment away from the presence of the Lord and in the outer darkness”? I paraphrased and probably combined some verses, but I’m curious as to how you would make sense of all those verses taken together into consideration.
Also, could you cite where in the OT prophets you are getting that interpretation?
@@theodorebe I think the correct approach would be, *for starters,* to try to read those passages in the original cultural context, and with the meanings those words had at the time they were written.
For example, it is clear that Jude 7 does not use the term eternal fire in the same sense we would use it now, as it is clear that even when Jude was written neither Sodom nor Gomorrah were still on fire at the time.
It seems (seems) clear that eternal, everlasting, forever, etc may mean one thing when referring to, say, God, and another thing when referring to, say, the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
I'm not persuaded that saying _"well, when the term forever/eternal/everlasting is used in reference to God, it means to continue on for all time, so then the eternal fire that consumed Sodom must continue on for all time"_ works, because the eternal fire that destroyed Sodom has clearly gone out.
@@Jarrodjohn2007 Agreed 😀, I was just curious as to whether AlphaMegaRadio could offer a defense for their position.
It's rather difficult in a few minutes to discuss and understand the holiness of God and the sin that as was mentioned "separates" one from a holy, just God. That is in my humble opinion is where one needs to start in order to understand the "wrath of God" and what happens to a person who refuses the "grace of God" and stands before the Son of God on Judgment Day, the " Day of the Lord." Appreciate the discussion. Blessings.
This is just a clip from a podcast that went more in depth 🙂
Some Christians spew such horror out of their mouth as if a literal eternal conscious torment after a finite existence and finite crimes is perfectly fair and just. Yet do you know that even children understands it crystal clear that justice and fairness is based on equality, on same/equal amount. Just for an example, give 5 kids a pizza pie and slice it in such a way that one kid would get half the pie and 4 other kids would get another half and watch what will happen. Immediately, these kids would begin to teach you what is justice and fairness and that what you just did was unfair.
Monkeys, not even apes like chimps but some more primitive monkeys, understands what justice is, there were experiences done with them, where they made two monkeys to do the same work but gave one monkey a tasty fruit, what monkeys like and another monkey received only a piece of a cucumber what they dont like much, so immediately this monkey which got a cucumber began to show an attitude of this injustice, like why did it get something lesser than the other monkey even though it did the same work.
If you, Christians, who claims that eternal conscious torment after a finite existence and finite crimes is perfectly fair and just, would do some work with some person, a same work, and later an employee would come and give that person a paycheck to split it between you both and that person would give you 20% of the money, immediately you would begin to teach him what is justice and fairness, immediately you would become a professional in this issue. So you all know it, children knows it, monkeys knows it, that justice and fairness is based on equality, on the same amount, like the Old Testament law "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" states, where the harm done to you is that same harm you can do to him, not more or less, that is the foundation of true justice. Therefore giving infinitely more harm to you who did only a finite crime, is a literal infinity away from a real justice.
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
I've always wondered why so much time, energy and debate go into trying to figure out what Heaven and Hell are like. We can't possibly know on this side of eternity. Let's keep it simple, Heaven will be better than we can comprehend and Hell will be worse than we could ever imagine.
Now let's see how many people we can get to follow JESUS so they can see for themselves how great Heaven is and not have to worry about Hell.
We are given glimpses of both locations throughout Sciptures. Not the same as being there, however we are given some descriptions.
Keep in mind that Jesus talked more about hell than He did heaven. If He had talked more about heaven, then most of us would want to die so we can go there prematurely instead of trusting Him and waiting on His perfect timing. 😊🤗🙏🙏
Excellent points. God’s justice is consistent and in line with his character. He cannot be good if he condones evil. He is good because he hates evil, and does justice for evil, which exemplifies his goodness. Just as we are judged and given in Heaven according to our life on earth, we are judged and given in Hell according to our life in earth. Thank you for sharing.
Hell is real! and it is eternal separation from God almighty for the unsaved! No matter how you describe it
It makes sense, but it's hard to imagine. It's difficult to understand how some will have greater rewards in Heaven as well. All of God's children will see Him face to face, and there is no greater glory. So, how can there be greater degrees of glory? Similarly, all of God's enemies will be utterly forsaken by Him, so how can some be more forsaken and experience greater torment?
Eternal things surround us, and the reflections of eternity cast many shadows in the world around us; just like the impressions God left in our hearts when He created us, blessing us with a conscience, and the ability to perceive His eternal power and grace. We also see the void, and we fear the outer darkness. We know the agony of destruction, and the torment of being forsaken.
I just find it helpful to contemplate some of these things, whenever I try to imagine the qualities of eternal existence. Whatever the variation or degree, the state of all things is under a blessing, or a curse. God's face shines upon us, or it does not.
TL; DR: If you are finding it hard to imagine differing degrees in glorification, or damnation, it might be helpful to look at varying measures of beauty and suffering in the natural world. Not perfect representations, but they are the only other testament to eternal things, apart from God's word.
It`s not really that hard. God is JUSTICE. So at the end, obvioulsy St Teresa of Calcutta reward is gonna be greater than my neighboor who is really a nice citizen who believes in the Lord, but is just a regular Christian person. In the other Hand Stalin punishment in Hell is gonna be way worst than my atheist office buddy, who is really an average decent dude, but rejects Jesus.
Cory --- read the book - the fire that consumes by Willain Edward Fudge and learn that hell is - annihilation - A loving God does not burn people "forever." Jesus said ..love your enemies--there is no hell, purgatory or limbo
What about the rich man in Luke who said I am in agony in these flames?
Have you been to Phoenix? People often say they are miserable in this oven. Is Phoenix a literal oven?
Do you believe Jesus other parables and metaphors are literal or symbolic to teach a point?
@@jakeroberts6274 parables and metaphors are by definition not literal.
@@jakeroberts6274 oh, sorry, you weren’t replying to me, huh?
Agreed (it's Luke 16:24). This guy doesn't sound like he is speaking biblical truth. God can make flames that burn dark. Or maybe the darkness will literally consume the light. I don't know how, but then again, I'm not God. To say "THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE MEANS... IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT IT SAYS" is presumptuous to say the least.
Exodus 10:23 "So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and total darkness covered all Egypt for three days. No one could see anyone else or move about for three days." This verse talking about the great darkness falling over Egypt indicates that the darkness could possibly consume any light, even from flame. I don't like this guy.
I am a fan of Alisa and Lee-usually-but this seems to be a watered down (pardon the pun) view of hell. What takes a person to hell? Their rejection of Christ as their saviour. Who will experience the worst of hell? Those who have repeatedly and hard-heartedly rejected Christ as their saviour. See Romans 2:5 and Hebrews 10:29. To make light of hell is to suggest that God doesn’t take the rejection of His Son, whom he gave as a ransom for our sins, very seriously.
I am now comforted that while my unitarian grandmother and Hitler are both experiencing the worst possible outcome for human beings, his outcome is worst than hers!
how do you know he didnt repent at the last moment?
I thank God for the ministries of Lee Strobel and Alisa Childers. God is using each of them to build up the body of Christ. However, on this topic, I believe they are wrong about what the Bible teaches. The Bible does not teach eternal torment for the lost. Rather, it teaches that God will destroy the bodies and souls of the unrighteous (Matthew 10:28), that those who do not believe in Jesus will perish (John 3:16), and that God will turn the ungodly to ashes (2 Peter 2:6). In other words, the Bible teaches the doctrine of Conditional Immortality, which is also known as annihilationism.
How about the lake of fire?
Agrees! This is indeed what the Bible seems to teach. We simply must allow scripture to lead us.
@@jc9716 Revelation is a dream.
The purpose of the lake of fire is to destroy Satan, sin, and sinners eternally. Not to perpetuate them eternally.
@@jc9716 , Good question!
The lake of fire is part of John's vision in Revelation. John's vision is full of shocking and bizarre symbols. There are 7-headed monsters and a woman is standing on the moon (not a female astronaut!). Sometimes these symbols are interpreted for us. We are told that incense is prayer and the fine linen clothes are the righteous acts of the saints. We are also told that the lake of fire is the second death. It means that the unrighteous die a second time. This is consistent with annihilationism!
Always wonder about it. Definitely terrified about it.
Do people that tell me if Christians like me who obey God are going to heaven they would rather be in hell. Do they have any idea what they are saying. Incredible!
No. Not a clue. Peace is boring to people until they've had enough of chaos.
This is the third video I've watched on this channel regarding Hell and "gnashing of teeth" always comes up, but not "weeping".
Do you have a video that addresses the "weeping"?
Also, it seems that the degree of punishment in Hell isn't based on bad deeds, but accountability. The knowledge regarding your actions/the rejection of information and truth..
We use Hitler alot, but we don't really know how much he knew and how much truth he rejected.
The "sweet grandma" could've been exposed to way more truth.
I'm just saying that I don't think we can know how judgement is going to play out. I have a feeling that there's going to be alot of surprises.
I have always thought the same way about Hitler`s case. We know that Hitler have christian background and we don`t know really what was happening throu his mind. Maybe, as a mad man, he thought he was endeed working for the good of mankind and at the end, the last thought he had was to put his soul in the hands of God. Stalin in the other hand was really aware that he was fighting against Jesus and Christianity, and ultimately, he Killed more people than Hitler.
It is unfortunate that you have been duped into believing in a place as hell - there is no limbo nor purgatory...hell-fire is a fire that annihilates the sinner---read the book - the fire that consumes by William Edward Fudge...God is love so he does not torture forever - as JEsus said ...love your enemies...Lee Strobel is ignorant of this truth as is Alisa
Hell is real! and it is eternal separation from God almighty for the unsaved! No matter how you describe it
Another missed opportunity to actually study Scripture...
Is it really that hard?
The wages of sin is DEATH.
You know what death is?
No, it's not eternal life in hell or separation, it is death, reduced to ashes even, like Sodom and Gomorrah and the chaff after the harvest.
Immortality is conditional.
John 3:16.
Yeah, this is the view I’ve come to lean towards after having grown up believing in in Eternal Conscious Torment view (ECT). Several lines of Scriptural evidence and the whole scope Scripture itself seems to strongly point to conditional immortality and the eternal punishment as final annihilation of the wicked.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The wages of sin is death, spiritual death, Adam didn't physically die but he did die spiritually die. We are dead without Christ. Roman 3 the whole book of Romans, and the gospel of John, will make it clear.
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Reduced to ashes in the lake of fire, like Sodom and Gomorrah, which was set as an example for the fate of the wicked.
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Let me try and say this to see if Lee Strobel can try again to understand the real definition of Hell…”Hell IS NOT figurative!” in any sense of the word. It means what it says and says what it means! Wake up to the full and real biblical truth man…
Hell is as real as the world is, which is not at all. We are on the earth but not of the earth. We are made of truth, but bodies don't give us truth. "Judge not by the appearance but judge by righteous judgment."
You should work on finding evidence for a Talking Snake (Genesis 3), a Talking Donkey (Numbers 22:21-39), a Burning Bush (Exodus 3) and Zombies roaming Jerusalem (Matthew 27:52-53). LOL
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@@e7100j YUP, I expected a a dumb reply from a dumb minimum wage bible thumper and you delivered.
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Sanjeev gig: can your god not do any of these things? Doesn't sound like who you worship can do miracles. I feel sorry for you having a limited creator
I disagree with Lee here. God absolutely sends people to Hell, but that is only because that is what we have chosen. We shouldn’t try and white wash God’s justice just to try and make him look “better” in our own eyes.
God brings people to heaven and he sends people to Hell, but to say we don’t also choose them is to create a false dichotomy.
In all fairness, that is what Lee said about 1:20 minutes into the video. I’ve heard him say and explain this before; he’s saying we make the choice to go to hell, God doesn’t make that choice for us. 😊
@@JesusisLord2000 I'm pretty sure I heard him say "God doesn't send people to Hell", in those exact words. Did I mishear him?
@@brando3342 yes he did say that, I’m not arguing that. How I’m receiving what he means is we make the choice to go to hell, God doesn’t make that choice for us just like he gives us free will to follow him, or not. We have free will to choose one or the other.
@@JesusisLord2000 So, you are saying he just wasn’t very careful with his words here? Because it really sounded like he was defining one in opposition to the other. As in “No, God doesn’t send people to Hell, RATHER we choose Hell.”
@@brando3342 we don’t agree on what Lee said/meant and that’s ok. But if someone doesn’t choose Jesus Christ, they choose hell. That’s as clear as it gets. Goodnight
Nobody is able to reach Heaven by his own acts. We all are imperfect. That`s why we need His Grace. At the end we only have 2 choices: Grace or judgment.
Anyone not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire along with Satan, the beast, the false prophet, death and hades (Revelation 19 & 20) On the Day of the Lord, Jesus will dissolve heaven and earth with fervent heat and burn up its works (2 Peter 3:10-12.) “For our God is a consuming fire,” (Hebrews 12:29.) God is holy. Jesus will make a new heaven and earth! (Revelation 21)
Thank you so much for your videos. Still praying for you daily.
We are living in some wicked times and are talked about in the bible.
The most important thing to do during these times is to trust Jesus and Pray.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
No one goes to heaven who deserves to be there. No one goes to hell who doesn't.
There has to be a place for people you hate.
I have a question to ask for all the Christians who claims that we, human beings, all deserve to be burned in flames of fire for a literal endlessness, that this is a just punishment for everyone of us. Here is my problem; justice is not an evil thing, it is not a bad thing, no, justice is good thing, a very good thing, it is a positive thing and all truly good things, 100%, whether it is a good car, a good idea, a good work, a good tool, a good wife a good husband etc. etc. always bring joy to our heart, they never bring sadness or sorrow to our hearts, this is why they are called good things and not bad things.
So the question is, if what you claim is true, if all of us justly deserve endless torment in flames of fire, then why do you not rejoice of all the countless of people who will end up there? Why doesnt your heart is being filled with joy when you realise that almost all people will burn in flames of fire forever? Why it brings sadness and sorrow instead? How can justice, which is a good thing, which suppose to always bring joy to our heart, brings a complete sorrow and sadness instead? How do you explain this?
@@nikokapanen82 I'm convinced it's because they give lip service to the idea so as to appear remaining faithful to the bible, because to venture away from the doctrine of hell is to become apostate themselves and subject to it. It's the most blasphemous malicious doctrine to attribute to the trinity, and most Christians are bound in it's chains, enslaved by fear to think of God as a true, Loving Father.
@@nikokapanen82 that is a good question. And it has truth to it. Why not rejoice over the justice of God, I think one answer is we don't want justice we want grace, but what about the people who refuse God's grace? Well hell was not made for the human soul, it was made for the devil and his angels, so when I see and hear people who reject the grace of God it makes me sad, it also makes God the father and Jesus sad , it is not their will that any should parish. So if Christians are to have the mind of Christ we also should care for the lost souls. I don't know what he'll is exactly, but I think I know the theme song, "I did it my way".
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That does not answer the question why do we feel such sadness and sorrow when seeing justice being taken place. Justice is always a good thing, it suppose to always bring at least a relief and comfort to our hearts, never sorrow and sadness.
I thought nothing could separate us from God's love, including the powers of hell. So how do people experience God's love in hell?
This is dangerously close to Tim Mackie's interpretation of hell which is absolutely heretical. Saying it must be metaphorical because darkness and fire cannot coexist is something Tim said and is also speculation. You don't think people could be deprived of sight in hell or that there could be fire that doesn't give off light? Trying to use earthly reasoning will fail you in understanding things like this.
Saying hell will be different from person to person is also largely speculative and is being misused here. It is trying to soften the blow saying if people aren't as bad then they won't be treated as badly. Everything else in the Bible opposes this view. There is a binary that if you aren't alive in Christ you are dead in your trespasses. Not sort of dead or slightly more alive but dead. Do not pass go, do not collect eternal life. The point is hell is bad and eternal torment.
Lee is on really dangerous footing after releasing his new movie including Rob Bell which was either a massive oversight or intentional heresy.
Really surprised at you Alisa for allowing this video to go up. You should know better. It doesn't matter if hell is a "better" time for your sweet grandma, IT IS HELL and we need to spread the gospel to help people not go there. This video only serves to lessen the importance of the gospel and that is not good at all.
God said he would judge people according to what they know and what they have done. So that is not pure speculation.
Also, why can’t the fire analogy be metaphorical? Burning alive is the most painful thing a human being can go through, and Hell will be so much worse than even that.
Agreed
The most literal reading isn't always the most faithful. Remember Jesus criticised the disciples at times for taking him literally when he was speaking metaphorically - two examples that spring to mind are when he warned them about the yeast of the Pharisees and they thought he was criticising them for forgetting the bread and when people though he was saying he would destroy and rebuild the temple in 3 days when he meant his body rather than the Jerusalem temple. I don't agree by the way that the video lessons the importance of the gospel, defending God's justice rather than allowing people to believe God is unjust helps to spread the gospel.
@@gareth2736 Metaphors in scripture are revealed as such. We shouldn’t be reading metaphors into scripture. And it would for sure be wrong to indicate God unjustly sends people to hell. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance: 2 Peter 3:9. God’s holiness demands justice, which is why the bible says “today is the day of salvation”.
@@pollywog92 and yet Jesus didn't give the disciples advance warning he was using a metaphor he only told them after the event. How do you know God always spells out that he is using a metaphor? Do you think the new Jerusalem will literally be a cube and also a woman? Revelation doesn't spell out that this is metaphorical language but it seems difficult to believe that the New Jerusalem could be both a cube and a woman at the same time. When the New Testament mentions Babylon do you think it is talking about Babylon or Rome? (It doesn't spell it out but I think most commentators think it is referring to Rome)..
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Hell, like "original sin" is as easy to prove as a child going through school is terrified of being an outcast or rejected. Like God, there is a genetic piece in all of us that speaks to this.
How can God ensure hell is fair, just and there are gradations of punishment/outcome if he is not there? Wouldn't people who were closer to accepting God and had some love of good find Hell and being separated from God and all goodness a worse experience than total psychopaths who hate both other people and God?
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Interesting.
In Revelation 20:12-14 we read, "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God. Books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one by his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." Hell, in the Greek, Hades, is seen as a holding place until the day of judgment. It is NOT a place where anyone spends eternity. That place of eternal judgment which those who have chosen is the Lake of Fire. Perhaps this is where we get the idea of Hell being a dark place and Hell being a place of burning flames. In Hades it may well be dark, but that is not the destination of the wicked, theirs is the Lake of Fire and the will be filled with fire. Maybe a good question would be, Why do most Christians call the Lake of Fire Hell, when the Bible lists them as different places?
Suggest y’all watch some hell testimonies of people who have actually been there
And do these people have ANY proof of what they say? NO
@@damianwhite504 I think the proof would be that they all line up, thousands of people who have never met describe the same sights, sounds, smells, etc…
@@GrahamVarnell Exactly they all say the same thing, like a STORY
@@damianwhite504 they are all quite different actually but you can tell they were at the same place, only reason I’m even responding is because hell is a terrible place and I don’t want you or anyone else to go there. Just try and watch a few hell testimonies of people who were clinically dead and saw it, don’t want to go back and forth. Jesus saves
@@GrahamVarnell And the only PROOF we have for any of them is what the person SAID happened, which is no proof at all
He is just making things up.
He makes up a lot of things
Listen to John Gersner on heaven and Hell as he quotes from the sermon Sinners in the hands of an angry GOD. By Johnathon Edward.
DOES God send people to hell? If so, that would contradict much Scripture that clearly reveals God WANTS people to love and embrace Him: "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, NOT wishing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should reach repentance." (2 Peter 3:9); And notice, in 1 Timothy 2, God's apostle instructed we are to pray for ALL people: "1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way." And WHY does he say God wants us to pray for EVERYONE? "3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." And in Acts 17, the Apostle Paul says God "commands EVERYONE EVERYWHERE to repent of their sins and turn to Him." So, does God expect and COMMAND that "EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE" come to Him but not truly desire it??? Does He expect us to spread His message in John 3:16 if it were not offered in truth and all could not embrace it? Does God WANT people to reject Him and be in misery forever? Preposterous!
Here's the thing: God did NOT choose eternal outcomes for INDIVIDUALS! NO, He gave us free will and an ability to respond to His love as we so desire! What God chose were outcomes for CATEGORIES of people, based upon THEIR final (before death) responses to Him - and there are only TWO categories He chose for all of humanity: 1) Those who would accept embrace Him / Jesus and 2) Those who would forever reject Him. And He also chose two very different eternal fates for the people in those two categories: 1) For those who would accept His love and mercy / commit themselves to Him would be with Him in joy forever; 2) For those who reject Him will be forever separated from Him in eternal punishment. So, people all choose their own eternal fates, though those hell-bound obviously don't get to choose their consequences - only God has done that. And as God is ALL-knowing, He has FOREVER known which destination people would choose - which is why the names in His "Book of Life" are already written!
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Hell is only as gruesome as blessed we believe heaven is.
I have a question to ask for all the Christians who claims that we, human beings, all deserve to be burned in flames of fire for a literal endlessness, that this is a just punishment for everyone of us. Here is my problem; justice is not an evil thing, it is not a bad thing, no, justice is good thing, a very good thing, it is a positive thing and all truly good things, 100%, whether it is a good car, a good idea, a good work, a good tool, a good wife a good husband etc. etc. always bring joy to our heart, they never bring sadness or sorrow to our hearts, this is why they are called good things and not bad things.
So the question is, if what you claim is true, if all of us justly deserve endless torment in flames of fire, then why do you not rejoice of all the countless of people who will end up there? Why doesnt your heart is being filled with joy when you realise that almost all people will burn in flames of fire forever? Why it brings sadness and sorrow instead? How can justice, which is a good thing, which suppose to always bring joy to our heart, brings a complete sorrow and sadness instead? How do you explain this?
Our emotions don’t change the reality of the situation. God also says he desires that the wicked should repent and come to him. Naturally it makes him sad when someone is lost.
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” - 2 Peter 3:9
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That does not answer the question why dont we rejoice with all the people going to the lake of fire burning there forever and ever. Because if that is justice, then we should rejoice.
If people truly deserve eternal conscious torment in flames of fire, it should bring at least relief and comfort to our hearts, never sadness or sorrow, yet why are we not feeling relief and comfort then? Why do we feel sorrow and pain instead?
@@nikokapanen82 Simple. We feel sorrow and sadness over what could have been a different outcome. A friend of mine who is an atheist recently attempted suicide and nearly succeeded. Had he succeeded and went to hell, I would be full of sorrow. Not because of hell itself, not because of Gods justice, but because he could have possibly been saved and spend eternity with God, not apart from him.
We’re sorrowful over the choices of people. If your child committed murder and you expressed sorrow for their actions and punishment, it doesn’t mean you don’t believe they got the punishment they deserved. You have grief and sorrow because of their poor choices.
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But this is a totally fallacious way of thinking. Once again, justice cannot bring sorrow and pain to us because justice is a good thing, this is why God is called Just, justice is a virtue, it is a positive thing, it suppose to bring a relief and comfort and joy to our hearts, never sadness or sorrow, because it is injustice which suppose to bring sadness and sorrow to our hearts, not justice.
So if your atheist friend would die and end up into the flames of fire and if that truly what he deserves, if him burning there is truly justice, then without any doubts, you suppose to feel relief and comfort in your heart, because your friend is only getting what he deserves.
Do you delight in punishing your child even though it is both just and necessary? No, it still pains you to see them punished.
If hell is where the absence of God is, then I doubt it will be “fair” in hell.
Hell fire is NOT figurative. the bible clearly says that satan and devil and damned will be thrown into the lake of fire. what he said is not biblical at all..
Jesus told the parable of the lost son. "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing. When he comes home, he calls together his friends, his family and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!' I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance."
If we would choose to save the one, we would be better than a god that lets his son go to hell. But that is not the true God. Hell is for the people that you hate. When you want to forgive everyone, you know hell doesn't exist because you think like God.
The fact that so many of you are up in arms about someone's understanding of Hell is silly. This is a secondary topic I. Relationship to the Gospel and the commission we've been giving.
Secondary topic? What in the world! This is what salvation is all about, avoiding hell and being in heaven instead, it’s is of paramount importance that people understand what hell is.
Hell is like this.
all people die and are resurrected one day, this resurrection will take place on earth.
people are resurrected immortal.
then the sun is a red giant and it scorches people. When the sun is a white dwarf, the world is cold and dark.
Before the sun becomes a red giant, God bends space and brings heaven closer to earth.
God descends to earth and takes whomever he wishes to heaven.
then it restores space.
Heaven is an earth-like planet in space.
YES JESUS DOES SEND PEOPLE TO THE FIRE.
Matthew 25:41 “Then HE WILL ALSO SAY to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, INTO THE ETERNAL FIRE which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; "
Revelation 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was THROWN into the lake of fire.
THERE WILL BE NO ONE WHO HATES JESUS OR HEAVEN AT THEIR RESURRECTION BECAUSE EVERYONE IS RESURRECTED IN SPIRITUAL BODIES THAT DO NOT INCLINE TO SIN BUT RATHER INCLINE TO THE SPIRIT.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY.
YES EVERYONE WILL BE PUNISHED ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
BUT NO ONE HAS EVER UNENDINGLY CUT SOMEONE OFF FROM LOVE AND GOODNESS FOREVER.
I've thought deeply about hell. The Bible clearly teaches an end of existence for those who are not in Christ. John 3:16 the word perish is contrasted with eternal life. Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death, not eternal torture. Natural man, if not born again, remains natural and after judgment dies a natural death. Only believers inherit eternal life. Where the Bible speaks of eternal punishment, the punishment is final. It's permanent. Eternal punishment is not the same as eternal punishing.
Hell is called the Second Death in the Revelation. And satan with all sinners will end up in the Lake of Fire. I hope it could mean one-time punishment, aka destruction, but I would not bet on it.
We have heard this “God doesn’t send anyone to hell” shtick all our lives. Just own the fact that you can’t wash Gods hands of this. Just be honest for once.
The bible says "God tempts no man, man is tempted by his own lust" so in a sense God does not send anyone to hell, it is a place created for the devil and his angels not human. When people say "God doesn't send anyone to hell" they are saying you have a choice. Moses had told the people before entering the promise land I set before you life and death, choose life! Deuteronomy 30: the same invitation applies to all people today.
HELL....does not exist --- but there is a fire that annihilates the sinner and during that period he suffers for his sins and rejection of Christ - but God is love and love does not torture for eternity for Jesus said - love your enemies - So Lee Strobel and Alicia are wrong...about scripture and the character of God
I agree, although a lot of people seem to demand more.not justice, but vengance
God will do what is right. Ergo, Universalism :)
HELL IS ETERNAL!!!! ******* You need to do an addendum to this video for the young people to tell them that hell is eternal! 14 verses at least say that hell is eternal for human beings; three in the Old Testament, 11 in the new!
Fortunately it's just mythology.
@@paulallen7962 If the Bible’s written by 40 writers with no contradictions and it points to Hell in the second chapter, get ready to repent Now…today!!! It’s not a myth!
40 writers, no contradictions, 66 books, over 1400 years equals God wrote the Bible!
Especially when you, an atheist don’t have any inkling how things got here ;the building blocks of life! so you have a bankrupt worldview yourself, in other words you have no foundation of why you’re even here, if you stick to that view because I can prove it that the Bible is more scientifically accurate than evolution!
@@paulallen7962 interested in how you came to that conclusion?
@@dentonhahn2907 I read the book from the beginning. It's obvious these were just stories made up by primitive humans.
@@paulallen7962 That is good that you have read it, but what about the verifiable evidence? And manuscript evidence? Also archaeological evidence? Of many of the people including Jesus Christ?
Sounds like unlimited torment for a finite lifetime of sin.
Yeah that's what they say. This verse is one of many which contradicts it:
> “6. “Pay her back even as she has paid, and give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her. 7. “To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.’” (Revelation of John 18:6-7, NASB)
It's about relationship, not about what we may or may not have done. It is not reward or punishment. God has done everything He can to make Heaven available to anyone who wants a relationship with Him. But if a person dies not wanting to be in a positive relationship with God, they get their wish ... forever.
@@fireandworms Well, strictly speaking, that is about Babylon, not individual sinners. I'm not sure how much of that passage can be applied to sinners.
Sounds like repenting of those sins and receiving Gods grace is worth it.
He is a God of Justice after all. ;) 🦁🐑
@@Jarrodjohn2007 The whore of Babylon represents the foreign nations which enticed Israel into sinful behavior. So you're right that it doesn't represent all sinners, but it is emblematic of God's principle of punishing people according to their sins. Revelation 20:13 is another good example.
Hell won't last forever...it will be thrown into the lake of fire which is the 2nd death. There is no such thing as an immortal soul.
by the way he read my book and is now a pastor...🙄
Sounds like Lee is spouting his opinions
I taught Attic and Koine Greek to classics students in Europe for 25 years. Lee Strobel is wrong, 100% wrong. One example of how the Bible has been adopting the Platonic view of Hades. Christ said to the thief, "I tell you, this day you shall be with me in paradise." The comma is misplaced and this translation supports Augustine's Neo-Platonic view of the afterlife. Christ was a Jew, and he really said, "I tell you this day, you shall be with me in paradise," with "I tell you this day" being a Jewish solemn promise (also quoted in Deuteronomy). We don't talk like that, because we're not first-century Jews. We're looking at the Bible through Greco-Roman eyes, and translators are not looking at the text through Jewish eyes either. In other words, the thief would be resurrected when Christ comes to establish the Davidic, Messianc Kingdom.
#2: Christ in the parable of the rich man in Hades was NOT attesting to its existence. The OT is clear that there is no eternal soul. The Pharisees adopted the Greek myth of Hades and replaced Charon with Adam or Abraham. According to their warped theology, the rich and healthy went to the good place, while the poor and sick went to the bad place. Christ turned it against them.
When Christ spoke of "hell," he literally said the Valley of Hinnom. Souls were not "burned" there. Paul never spoke of the Valley of Hinnom (can we please stop using the word hell?) because Gentiles would not relate.
Paul merely says that the gift of God is eternal life, and the wages of sin is death. He got to the point. In Revelation John, writing to JEWS, used the fiery lake (Lake of fire is a genitive of content) as a metaphor for the utmost end, the second death. Even "death" is dumped into the lake. That is not literal.
I urge you to repent of these foolish teachings. Hell is literal and eternal. Their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest. Jesus didn't shy away from the truth.
Xtians: Our god is omnipresent = EVERYWHERE.
Same Xtians: You'll be separated from god in HELL.
LOL
You are correct, God is omnipresent. NOTHING can even exist outside of Christ, because IN HIM all things were created and IN HIM they consist.
@@bradharford6052 ALLAH is the one true god. ALLAH has written it on your heart. ALLAH has made it known to you. ALLAH is going to pass judgement on you. YOU better get yourself right with ALLAH.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
We meet again. The bible doesn't say God is not present in hell, as a matter of fact David writes, "if I descend in to hell there you are also" basically he says you can not escape God. That will be the torment of hell knowing that one has rejected Jesus and remembering all the time one had to except him. If you truly believe in Allah, he also teaches of a hell.
Hell is real! and it is eternal separation from God almighty for the unsaved! No matter how you describe it
Not according to Calvanists. Ever hear of double predestination or divine determination. God does select some for eternal life & some for eternal punishment. U better be a Calvanist to secure your preferred place in heaven because for some reason God chose them & not me. Sounds like the Gospel of Christ to me doesn't it 2 u? So head down to your nearest Calvanist Church to make your reservations 4 heaven before it's too late because God only has a certain number of slots available He only has so many irresistible grace packages available 4 your travel arrangements 4 heaven.
Calvinists are viscious
One of the Devil's most fantastic tricks as of late is deceiving Christians into believing Hell is metaphorical, nonexistent, or the suffering is distributed unequally. An unrepentant sinner on Earth now is already separate from God -- this isn't the key experience of Hell that modern Christianity's latched onto.
Any lone sin condemns you. It doesn't matter how "minor" said sin was because it's still sin in the eyes of God. Everyone who has sinned is guilty, it's not a matter of fairness or unfairness. Who are WE to decide what's just and what isn't? Are we more correct than God? Is sin not a big deal?
I've always admired Lee Strobel's testimony but he's, unfortunately, abandoned the clear intent of the Bible to go after man's sensibilities and doctrine. In fact, this is so heretical and against the Bible that I have to unsubscribe. I subbed to you, Alisa, because you weren't wishy-washy and you advocated biblical truths, now you've joined in this new-wave deception that is nothing short of cultish. I'm disappointed. This is the kind of teaching that leads people straight to ignorance, arrogance, and ultimately Hell.
Another of the devil's tricks is getting you to believe that the people you hate are going to hell and that serves them right.
@@robertdouglas8895 That's not correct. Or at least you aren't using it properly. Oyster Soup gave very clear reasoning as to why this video is making people stray from the path. It's nothing personal.
Some Christians spew such horror out of their mouth as if a literal eternal conscious torment after a finite existence and finite crimes is perfectly fair and just. Yet do you know that even children understands it crystal clear that justice and fairness is based on equality, on same/equal amount. Just for an example, give 5 kids a pizza pie and slice it in such a way that one kid would get half the pie and 4 other kids would get another half and watch what will happen. Immediately, these kids would begin to teach you what is justice and fairness and that what you just did was unfair.
Monkeys, not even apes like chimps but some more primitive monkeys, understands what justice is, there were experiences done with them, where they made two monkeys to do the same work but gave one monkey a tasty fruit, what monkeys like and another monkey received only a piece of a cucumber what they dont like much, so immediately this monkey which got a cucumber began to show an attitude of this injustice, like why did it get something lesser than the other monkey even though it did the same work.
If you, Christians, who claims that eternal conscious torment after a finite existence and finite crimes is perfectly fair and just, would do some work with some person, a same work, and later an employee would come and give that person a paycheck to split it between you both and that person would give you 20% of the money, immediately you would begin to teach him what is justice and fairness, immediately you would become a professional in this issue. So you all know it, children knows it, monkeys knows it, that justice and fairness is based on equality, on the same amount, like the Old Testament law "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" states, where the harm done to you is that same harm you can do to him, not more or less, that is the foundation of true justice. Therefore giving infinitely more harm to you who did only a finite crime, is a literal infinity away from a real justice.
You people want the fire and brimstone, without the heat. You are very misguided.
I'm beginning to sense Alisa is just another cult of personality on youtube now.
Two points on hell. First, I used to think that if you went to hell God unlocked the doors to hell and locked you in. But that's not the way it is at all. The evil in hell is so great, there is such a hatred of God, that the gates of hell are locked from the inside to keep God out. Secondly, because we are created in the image of God the demons in hell will take extra pleasure in making us suffer because we remind them of God who they hate. Total malevolence forever!
So a little girl that's being sold into sex trafficking and later murdered. Are you telling me that girl is evil and needs to burn in hell fire for 100 trillion years and that's not even the start. You are a sick man if the it that's ok. The Bible saying nothing about hell being locked from the inside. Thats C.S.lewis who was a good man trying to make sense of this sick concept.
The demons are not in charge of hell, nor do they work there. They are punished in it too. It was created for Satan and his angels.
God is omnipresent.
@@Jarrodjohn2007 I never said they were in charge. Jesus is. I just said what they do
Alisa, That was FUNNY, (Punny) we need to think deeper about Hell ! Lol 😁😊🤪😬😂. It is very clear (HELL) in the Bible, you can take every word about this place literally. To understand this, you have to realize that there are three Hells, just as there are three Heavens. Example: Tartarus is as low under Earth, as Earth is under Heaven.That was built for The Fallen Angles That Enoch talked about, and the story is recorded in the book of Enoch, & The book of Jude. ( Judas ) Remember, Jesus has the Keys, to death, Hell & the Grave !
So if "They hate God, that's why they say they don't believe in Him".....do you love Satan or hate him? If you hate him, you'd say you don't believe in him. Right?
No, that is some mental gymnastics there but no, atheist say there is no god, that clearly is not what evidence shows, it is intellectual suicide to say there is no god. It is not that they don't believe he exists, but rather they don't want him to exist, because their deeds were dark and they love darkness more than light. The same reason a crook doesn't find a cop.
@@dentonhahn2907 Actually, atheists say they see no undeniable evidence for God. One of the failures of Christians is they keep lying (to themselves and others) about "what atheists say/believe."
So you want God to exist so he can be a cop?
@@mashah1085 they reject the evidence, it is not that there is none. atheist believe in many things with much less evidence than evidence of God.
@@dentonhahn2907 So, for 2000 years, every person who doubted the existence of God or even the divinity of Jesus....has been less intelligent than you?
@@mashah1085 not less intelligent but dishonest about the evidence.
It sounds like you are at least thinking about eternal destiny and fairness. It absolutely amazes me that even the suggestion that somehow God may have a way to in the end, redeem all of His creation, brings vehement opposition and accusations of heresy. What could possibly be fair and just about even a sweet little grandma who for whatever reason did not receive Jesus as her savior, ending up in a place of punishment that is eternal? Particularly when her so-called sins were done somewhat in ignorance and in a few short years of temporal existence.
The truly logical thinking about this would be that scripture actually means what it says when it declares that someday, somewhere, somehow, ultimately every single knee will bow and every single tongue will willingly and gladly confess Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of the Father. Every single person that died in Adam, is made alive in Jesus Christ.
Anything less than God redeeming every bit of His creation, including every human being, is a failure and makes God less than omnipotent and omniscient. God's mercy endures forever and if we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most miserable.
You are leaning on your own understanding and not taking God for His Word, when you make assumptions about how He would behave because that is what would prove Him to you to be all-powerful and all-knowing.
I would like to _strongly_ advise anyone against that!
And to suggest that being capable of anything doesn't mean He wants to do what you think He should want to do. We only truly know exactly what He has revealed to us. So we all should know that the wages for sin *is death,* and that Jesus is the only way out, and that we can refuse Him. These things are clearly told us many times over in the Bible; they are absolutely certain.
It is worth considering that, once those who are condemned to die the second death have died, they will not be around to refuse to confess Jesus as their Lord. Grim as that is.
God bless you. Please seriously consider what I have to say, as what you have said here would suggest to me that you have taken up an attitude of intellectual self-sufficiency which could prove perilous.
And don't forget: God loves you very much!
@@tt-cy1hb I am not leaning on my own understanding. I am leaning on scripture and on my personal relationship with Father, Son and Spirit, and what they have taught me. Your reasoning that the lost will not be around to refuse to confess Jesus, directly contradicts the scripture I referenced. It also contradicts the many scriptures that use the word "all" in reference to dying and being made alive, and Jesus being the savior. We know it is God's will that all be saved, and we also see multiple examples in scripture that tell us that His will and His word WILL be accomplished. We have ignored clear, doctrinal scriptures and twisted parabolic and metaphorical ones, to support the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment.
My Father will not fail to find every lost coin, sheep and son, and He will relentlessly continue that effort UNTIL it is done. God is so much better, good, and loving than we have begun to imagine.
Actually the god that most evangelicals believe in, resembles baal, molech or satan. That is a shocking realization when one sees it. But when one sees Father, Son and Spirit face to face, it is life transforming and it is irreversible. May you come to see it also. Blessings.
@@bradharford6052 If that be the truth, I certainly hope to be persuaded to it! I am learning more from the Scriptures and from communion with God every single day. My viewpoint is still being refined.
Please have yourself a wonderful day, Sir.
@@tt-cy1hb Having been a Christian for many years I have experienced various environments and church settings. I have also been through at least a couple of seasons in life where I have had a shift of what I believe and growth that resulted from it. About 3 years ago I was exposed to some teaching that was not new by any means, but new to me. My perception of God shifted from a Judge and courtroom to a loving Father, a great physician and the kingdom being a big hospital. I began to consider the possibility that maybe God had created a way to have every bit of His will fulfilled and accomplished. Because of years of teaching and believing a certain theology, it has been an adventure, sometimes painful, in working out how the scriptures all fit together in revealing the kingdom of God and what He is truly like.
I am totally convinced about God being love as His very essence and what that means to us His children, but I am still learning every day and discovering how this perception is supported by scripture. May God speed you along in your journey toward your destiny. Sometimes it is smooth sailing, other times the boat rocks pretty hard. A wonderful day to you also.
It's easy for anyone of us to try to inject our own personal belief. What you espouse sounds more like the belief of Universalism where every one is saved regardless of how they have chosen to live their lives and in whom they have trusted.
The Father's Word says:
18 A good tree is unable to yield wicked fruit, and a rotten tree to yield good fruit.
19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 🔥
20 “So then, by their fruits you shall know them -
*21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens*
22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!' Psa. 6:8.
I think the biggest misconception is that hell exists
I would be interested to know why you think it doesn't?
@@dentonhahn2907 The same reason you think it does.
@@damianwhite504 that is not a truthful answer. You have no idea what I think. I am interested in how you can be sure there is no hell?
@@dentonhahn2907 And I am interested in how you can be sure there is a hell
@@damianwhite504 you are assuming I do. I started neither way. The claim you made is hell doesn't exist. So I ask you on what evidence do you base your claim?
Remember Xtians, god loves you so much, he created hell, just in case you don't love him back.
LOL
You'll get closer to heaven when you no longer condemn people who believe in hell.
Hell l No, No Hell. Alisa is so invested in believing there is a hell.
Christopher, all Christians must affirm hell. But hell does not have to be everlasting torment - that’s only one strand of the Christian tradition. Many Christians see hell as temporary punishment to restore sinners to God. Many Christians understand hell as annihilation, where people who reject God cease to exist.
@@bramrawlings3051 Over the years, one of the hardest truths for some people to accept is that there is no hell. Why do people fight so hard to believe in a God that would burn us?
@@chardo24 because Jesus taught it, as did the apostles he sent. But the problem you cited can be avoided on different models of hell.
@@bramrawlings3051 Why would God burn you? To what benefit would it be to any soul to be burned by God? That is the same as saying you deserve your Father to beat you up. Jesus taught us not to judge. The fact that we were told that there was a Hell for us to paid for our sins put us in the very Hell that we have been talking about. It put us in that place where there is no love but only fear. And now we are contrive. We are only speaking to God because we want our ticket to go to Heaven. The good work we do is not because we love God but we do it for fear of Hell.
@@bramrawlings3051 why would God burn you?