you guys call yourselves computer guys? Can't even get the terms right. It comes with 3 x Thunderbolt 4 ports, and WTF are you talking about, "No USB ports?" It comes with 2 USB C ports in the front. Thunderbolt ports are ALSO USB C ports btw. So technically it has 5 USB C ports. 256 gigs of memory and 16 gigs of RAM??? really?
If you want to build a PC of equivalent to Mac Mini base model then you should have looked at mini PC with AMD APU such as AMD AI 9 370HX, look at Minisforum brand, similar footprint, about the same wattage, comparable CPU performance, and better GPU performance than the Mac Mini, for about the same price.
That machine costs £1,079, admittedly with 32gb RAM and 1TB drive, but only the base mac mini is an amazing price, with upgrades, no chance. Personally if you buy the base mac mini and you need more storage, buy an NVMe drive and stick it in an external case.
@DeadLife-l5j How many SSD failures have you had, I've had 0. The point is that anyone buying the base mac likely isn't a heavy user writing terabytes of data to a 256gb drive minus the space the OS is taking. Not disagreeing with your concern, just this its not as high as people say it is. Specifically because the key concern is SSD wear and not failure due to manufacture issues. Those happen in all devices, so it's not relevant.
@DeadLife-l5j I don't disagree, but as a life long Windows users and only recently switched to mac, I'm get sick of Microsoft and their nonsense, for example ads, recall, etc.
my wife and I are wedding photographers and we both use built PCs. I decided to ditch her pc and get her the base model mini m4. Her pc was approximately 5 years old. Mini m4 is faster than her old pc. Very snappy and fun to use. I tried to compare it for video editing to my mid hefty pc and my pc is much faster overall than the mini m4. Of course, my pc is much more expensive but the mini m4 is a monster for being such a tiny computer. I would switch over to mac if the mini pro would costs less
1:06 "the M4 Pro chip is only in one of their versions of the new Mac Mini". Well, no. There's two M4 Pro chip options, the 12c option that was shown and a 14c option as well.
AMD strix halo(not strix point) seems to be a step in right direction for this specific task. They are promising 4070 performance(really 4060ti) on integrated 40CU chip.
Ok well I have a better idea I want you to build a PC with the same power as the Mac Mini but with the same storage and RAM specs and the budget is open it's a challenge 😂
The price of the M4 Mac mini is a fairy tale because it devalues the hardware. I've noticed so many people say they bought the M$ Mac mini but added upgrades. This basically shows that the base model, in many minds, has little or no value, except when it is upgraded. It's a marketing tool which uses the financial trickery of a closed, single source market against an open, multi-vendor market. If the M4 Mac mini was so great then one wouldn't need to upgrade it beyond external drives. As the price increases and the need to get real work done the value of the PC will eclipse any and all M4 devices. The utility of the M4 line is limited and of poor value in the higher end.
@DeadLife-l5j you're delusional... just mobo-cpu-gpu is 600$...with all the other parts it's 800-900$ and it's still worse and it's still huge and it's still noisy and it still uses 10 times more power. Case closed.
@@Alexpsy1 i can get a second hand pc with ryzen 5600x and 3070, 32gb ram 512gb hdd for £650 in my area, or for £450 a 3060. That would blow the m4 out of the water for any 3d rendering/gaming but not in terms of cpu. Depends on what people need. I am depserate to move over to a mac mini/studio for 3d work but it's just not gonna happen yet.. I am running a 4090 and even the m3 ultra with 40 cores is a snail in comparison. 10 seconds vs over 1 minute per frame rendering difference in 3d scenes. I am using a mac m1 for non work and it's epic. Espeically the minimal power draw compared to my main pc which costs a lot to run. That's the main reason I want to switch my work machine over but sadly not yet
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@@theflopgamer4405 Doesn’t stand a chance at what? What makes your benchmark better than mine? (Passmark) And you’re ignoring all the other things that are better on the PC.
You need a coupon. Price varies between vendors. The only real advantage is that it will get cheaper before the Mac Mini does. So at least for Apple, Mac Mini has some serious resale value. If I’m going to have a mini PC, it’s gonna be an ITX build, not a prebuilt nuk equivalent
The base model of the Mac Mini is a really great deal, as long as you don't need to upgrade the specs. Upgrading the storage to 1 TB and the memory to 32 GB increases the price by $800. You can get a Windows mini PC with this spec that costs around what the base model Mac costs, though it will be slower. It's hard to match the M4, especially in single core and efficiency, but I think more people would rather have more storage and memory. Another thing to think about is upgradability. The Mac Mini storage isn't soldered on, but Apple doesn't make it easy to upgrade.
the new mac mini is insane but there are alot of factors that one may consider when buying it. Firstly Gaming which is not possible on mac mini, second the upgrade prices are insane. you cant do anything with 256gb of storage in todays time. one may consider the external SSD but they much slower than NVME with the same prices. and yeah pretty much ZERO upgradability also PC guy wants to switch to MAC? its whole new system that they may not be familer with. If you are already mac user then yeah its a no brainer and cheapest fastest workstation you can have. i would not buy it because the added cost is that much high.
That was my thought too! It'd be super valuable for editing and such but even then depending on the calibre of footage you're working with you could run out of space before you finish one project. Blackmagic footage can take up an insane amount of space and if that's what you're working with your Mac is gonna total out and then you're already shelling out for hard drive expansions.
i thought that too, but this thing does run resident evil 7 with decent frames 60+. So although not the best gamer system, it can run games. Storage space sucks, but 16gb isnt bad honestly for low level editing.
@@rodocs9008 its a beast PC but again if you do game on weekends there very very very limited choices because most dev is not interested in MAC port of their games because its probably not worth it. in ideal scenario if i would want good enough space and RAM then yeah the upgrade prices are almost equivalent to PC. i have ryzen 9 7900 and its pretty much on par with this new m4 barring single core performance.
you guys call yourselves computer guys? Can't even get the terms right. It comes with 3 x Thunderbolt 4 ports, and WTF are you talking about, "No USB ports?" It comes with 2 USB C ports in the front. Thunderbolt ports are ALSO USB C ports btw. So technically it has 5 USB C ports. 256 gigs of memory and 16 gigs of RAM??? really?
If you want to build a PC of equivalent to Mac Mini base model then you should have looked at mini PC with AMD APU such as AMD AI 9 370HX, look at Minisforum brand, similar footprint, about the same wattage, comparable CPU performance, and better GPU performance than the Mac Mini, for about the same price.
That machine costs £1,079, admittedly with 32gb RAM and 1TB drive, but only the base mac mini is an amazing price, with upgrades, no chance. Personally if you buy the base mac mini and you need more storage, buy an NVMe drive and stick it in an external case.
@DeadLife-l5j How many SSD failures have you had, I've had 0. The point is that anyone buying the base mac likely isn't a heavy user writing terabytes of data to a 256gb drive minus the space the OS is taking.
Not disagreeing with your concern, just this its not as high as people say it is. Specifically because the key concern is SSD wear and not failure due to manufacture issues. Those happen in all devices, so it's not relevant.
@DeadLife-l5j I don't disagree, but as a life long Windows users and only recently switched to mac, I'm get sick of Microsoft and their nonsense, for example ads, recall, etc.
ruclips.net/video/eT0OVuw0HoM/видео.html please watch 651.85 $$ pc with 4060 @GrigsOfficial
@DeadLife-l5j so what? still want the mac.
my wife and I are wedding photographers and we both use built PCs. I decided to ditch her pc and get her the base model mini m4. Her pc was approximately 5 years old. Mini m4 is faster than her old pc. Very snappy and fun to use. I tried to compare it for video editing to my mid hefty pc and my pc is much faster overall than the mini m4. Of course, my pc is much more expensive but the mini m4 is a monster for being such a tiny computer. I would switch over to mac if the mini pro would costs less
1:06 "the M4 Pro chip is only in one of their versions of the new Mac Mini". Well, no. There's two M4 Pro chip options, the 12c option that was shown and a 14c option as well.
bro nvme ssd should have been chosed don't you think so?
AMD strix halo(not strix point) seems to be a step in right direction for this specific task. They are promising 4070 performance(really 4060ti) on integrated 40CU chip.
You need to add your expertise. 2 experts X 1hour ordering + 1 hour building = ~150$
This is always forgotten….
Ok well I have a better idea I want you to build a PC with the same power as the Mac Mini but with the same storage and RAM specs and the budget is open it's a challenge 😂
The price of the M4 Mac mini is a fairy tale because it devalues the hardware. I've noticed so many people say they bought the M$ Mac mini but added upgrades. This basically shows that the base model, in many minds, has little or no value, except when it is upgraded. It's a marketing tool which uses the financial trickery of a closed, single source market against an open, multi-vendor market. If the M4 Mac mini was so great then one wouldn't need to upgrade it beyond external drives. As the price increases and the need to get real work done the value of the PC will eclipse any and all M4 devices. The utility of the M4 line is limited and of poor value in the higher end.
good question
Can you run Unreal Engine full spec on this?
That would be fun to see!
You guys aren't really trying this by picking an Intel CPU because you liked its price.
3:21 256GB of *Storage* not Memory.
Think he just flubbed there 😂
Storage is also memory.
You can't. End of story. Next...
@DeadLife-l5j Νo shit Sherlock... yes you can with a 2000$ full tower. Did i mention anywhere that it's the best PC in the world??
@DeadLife-l5j you're delusional... just mobo-cpu-gpu is 600$...with all the other parts it's 800-900$ and it's still worse and it's still huge and it's still noisy and it still uses 10 times more power. Case closed.
@DeadLife-l5j only your brain is useless... the only thing PC's can do better is gaming. Dream on kiddo...
@@Alexpsy1 i can get a second hand pc with ryzen 5600x and 3070, 32gb ram 512gb hdd for £650 in my area, or for £450 a 3060. That would blow the m4 out of the water for any 3d rendering/gaming but not in terms of cpu. Depends on what people need. I am depserate to move over to a mac mini/studio for 3d work but it's just not gonna happen yet.. I am running a 4090 and even the m3 ultra with 40 cores is a snail in comparison. 10 seconds vs over 1 minute per frame rendering difference in 3d scenes. I am using a mac m1 for non work and it's epic. Espeically the minimal power draw compared to my main pc which costs a lot to run. That's the main reason I want to switch my work machine over but sadly not yet
@@velocityfpv5231 ruclips.net/video/8DT6xOtZlJM/видео.html
Can you build that $600 PC with Hackintosh ?
I wanna run Apple, Windows, Linux Mint.
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$540 after coupon
Mac Mini is 15% faster on single core, Mini PC is 15% faster on multi core.
PC Mini has twice the memory and 4 times the storage (both upgrade-able), 2 LAN ports both twice as fast, and supports one more display.
brooo it has no gpu
@@theflopgamer4405
False, the Ryzen 7 7840HS has an integrated AMD Radeon 780M GPU.
@@philiprobar bro the igpu doesn't even stand a chance against the apple's igpu + m4 is better in both single and multicore than the amd.
@@theflopgamer4405
Doesn’t stand a chance at what? What makes your benchmark better than mine? (Passmark) And you’re ignoring all the other things that are better on the PC.
You need a coupon. Price varies between vendors.
The only real advantage is that it will get cheaper before the Mac Mini does. So at least for Apple, Mac Mini has some serious resale value.
If I’m going to have a mini PC, it’s gonna be an ITX build, not a prebuilt nuk equivalent
The base model of the Mac Mini is a really great deal, as long as you don't need to upgrade the specs. Upgrading the storage to 1 TB and the memory to 32 GB increases the price by $800. You can get a Windows mini PC with this spec that costs around what the base model Mac costs, though it will be slower. It's hard to match the M4, especially in single core and efficiency, but I think more people would rather have more storage and memory. Another thing to think about is upgradability. The Mac Mini storage isn't soldered on, but Apple doesn't make it easy to upgrade.
the new mac mini is insane but there are alot of factors that one may consider when buying it. Firstly Gaming which is not possible on mac mini, second the upgrade prices are insane. you cant do anything with 256gb of storage in todays time. one may consider the external SSD but they much slower than NVME with the same prices. and yeah pretty much ZERO upgradability also PC guy wants to switch to MAC? its whole new system that they may not be familer with. If you are already mac user then yeah its a no brainer and cheapest fastest workstation you can have. i would not buy it because the added cost is that much high.
ruclips.net/video/eT0OVuw0HoM/видео.html please watch 651.85 $$ pc with 4060 @GrigsOfficial
That was my thought too! It'd be super valuable for editing and such but even then depending on the calibre of footage you're working with you could run out of space before you finish one project. Blackmagic footage can take up an insane amount of space and if that's what you're working with your Mac is gonna total out and then you're already shelling out for hard drive expansions.
i thought that too, but this thing does run resident evil 7 with decent frames 60+. So although not the best gamer system, it can run games. Storage space sucks, but 16gb isnt bad honestly for low level editing.
@@rodocs9008 its a beast PC but again if you do game on weekends there very very very limited choices because most dev is not interested in MAC port of their games because its probably not worth it. in ideal scenario if i would want good enough space and RAM then yeah the upgrade prices are almost equivalent to PC. i have ryzen 9 7900 and its pretty much on par with this new m4 barring single core performance.
Smack a parallels on it and it’s gonna work flawlessly with windows 🤦🏻♂️
M4 Pro iMac starts at $1400 not whatever you showed
They're talking about the Mac Mini not the iMac.
What do you mean pc has only one brand of gpu? there are several.
They mean the components are separate brands all built into one PC whereas the Mac has it all built into one singular chip
Still no nDisplay on Apple. Any sense that could change?
Really comparing that SSD to the ssd on the Mac mini ?
At least out a Samsung 990 🤣🤦♂️
The SSD read/write speeds are trash on the regular Mac Minis. At least the Pro versions get respectable levels (5000+ ish).
@@akin242002 the Minis are still faster than a bargain bin SATA III drive. Anything over 500 MB/sec is NVMe.
You said 256GB of memory. Please be more accurate with your words :)
Memory and Storage are both correct. Research
@@ViriHalo First I have heard of this. I am old school.
@@DavidBell-qq1sd Its more oldschool to say memory than to say storage.
Targeting PC users. Why would they? They don't have to.
Why wouldn’t they want to make more money? 👀
you'd better pick any 4 or 8 core CPU but with somewhat similar cpu benchmark (and GPU)
And where do you expect to find an x86 CPU with 4 cores that gets anywhere near the M4? lol
More irrelevant nonsense. You add 16Gb ram and a gpu with 16Gb vram which would equal 32Gb of unified ram
No pc will match mac mini m4 base model.. maybe would be similar on m4 pro mac mini.. so long as u r not primarily on gaming..
Why are you lying about this?
"No". There you go, saved you 11 minutes of time.
The way ya'll were building the PC, you know nothing about PC building.
Never buy a crapple.
Apple is crap
Doesn't look that way buddy.