I was getting ready to buy a 1x12 cab by Peavy for at home practice and have two options from peavey, one is loaded with a celestion for $300 and the other peavey has the Blue marvel for $150. After listening to this on really good headphones there is NO WAY the celestion is worth twice as much money! Thanks for making this choice easy for me! I will get TWO 1x12 blue marvel loaded cabs for the price of one celestion loaded one!
@@drchamp1902 A Vintage 30 costs slightly less than 150$ though. For 290 he could get a Blue Marvel loaded cab AND a Vintage 30. Less money and a spare speaker.
My experience with these two speakers is that the Blue Marvel sounds nice at low volume but falls apart at high volume. Whereas the V30 sounds uninspiring at low volume and truly shines at high volume. I also think the amp was eq'd to suit the Blue Marvel in this video, which ended up selling the V30 short.
@@luizdiaz5196 This comment is untrue. The Blue Marvel really shines at high volume and is a much better match for the Peavey Bandit. (The V30 🔊 is a horrible choice for the Bandit) The Blue Marvel has a lot of headroom, is voiced nice and handles high volumes incredibly well. It sounds better at all volumes imo. The problem is like all speakers they need braking in. If you have a Bandit that’s never been gigged then the 🔈 needs loosening. You could play some Jazzy big band music into the “power amp in” (back of the amp) with a blanket over it, that will help for braking it in. The blanket could keep the volume levels down in the room. Do this for 30 mins a day, at half volume for 2-3 days and your speaker will thank you.
I had a Peavey Classic 50 tweed 410. The blue marvel speakers are actually made by Eminence. It tells you on the label. These speakers sound very nice.
Excellent demo of speakers. I wish everyone did amp and speaker comparisons like this. I've also read several people on threads say they want to hear the Peavey Classic half stack with Greenbacks. Nobody has done it as a demo yet.
Wow - I would not of Guessed this in a MILLION YEARS... I've always thought the Vintage 30 would be Far Superior to the Blue Marvel. I stand Corrected - I am a New Fan on the Peavey Blue Marvel - Thank you for making this Comparison!
All peavey guitar speakers sound better than people give them credit for. They are really cheap used because of it. Also it has to do mostly to the marketing, names, and visuals of them. If they gave them better names with better graphics they probably be more popular than they are.
Excellent comparison video. I've swapped the stock BM in my Windsor into a V30, but decided to switch back. Now I know why :-) Had I seen (and heard!) your video earlier, I could have saved time, as it concludes what I already found out myself :-)
Great comparison, thank you. Interesting to hear the different comments and realize how varied people's tastes are. I personally like the Blue Marvel between these two (especially on the lead channel - I think it would cut through much better in a band mix), but again it's just a matter of taste. I recently did a similar comparison with my old (mid-90s) Classic 50 410, swapping out 2 of the speaker with a pair of WGS G10Cs. The WGS speakers are very good IMO, but I couldn't tell enough difference to justify the cost of replacing the speakers, so I returned them.
My amp has a blue marvel and, although I'd consider an upgrade, I'm pretty sure the celestion Vintage 30 isn't the speaker for me. Thanks for the comparison.
Check out peavey has a V30 Clone speaker it is one of the Sheffields I think they have one close to a v30 but may work with your amp better. Also Check out any Celestion Heritage speakers they are the best sounding Celestions. My favorite is the G12H-75 Creamback
I absolutely love my new to me USA Classic 30. Saw a lotta stuff about changing the speaker. Based on this...I'm good. Only thing that needs an upgrade is the player. ;-( But to the OP.....thanks for taking the time to do this vid. (and I'm listening through hi end studio monitors w/ outboard amp)
Wow! This was a great comparison. Thanks. Before buying the amp, I would have opted for the Celestion. Although this is a personal preference, I like the Blue Marvel best in this comparison as well as in my Classic 30 amp which is nearly 20 years old now.
Listen at 0:15 then at 1:03. The Blue Marvel is more treble (open sound) than Vintage 30. The Vintage 30 is a little muffled in clean sounds. The same when compared 0:39 and 1:28.
I have a Peavy Cab with the Blue Marvel’s and its a Sleeper thrash Cab. Those same cutting lead notes also help with a mid sweep. Pretty much imo the best thrash metal/Hardcore speaker out there for that genre/crossover. If you like mid heavy metalcore/Metal tones and mid heavy rock etc. the Vintage 30 would be for you. That Blue Marvel with the 5150 sounds amazing.
To be honest, I had expected a much bigger difference. The V30 is not brighter or anything. But it definitely jumps at you more with overdriven tones. No wonder it's the most used rock and metal speaker.
Clean sound: The blue marvel would cut through much better in a live band situation. The mids are all but gone on the V30 (you can practice live without fear of being heard). Distorted lead: They both sound good, but once the band is playing, the BM will be heard more clearly.
@@HangsLopsided you are nuts. The v30 is all mids. And projects through the mix perfectly. Hence why it's the most recorded guitar speaker in history. It's clear as day in the video. Nothing wrong with the BM. Sounds great. But simply put, you are just wrong.
The celestion has a grinding grit to it that just seems to hang there most of the time. I like it for lead tones OK, but for rhythm I had to change one of the V30/s to a cleaner speaker(212 cab), and for me and my own tastes, it was a great fix. I likes the Marvel, sounds more "musical" to my ears.
Ugh tough choice totally not a clear cut winner for me. I loved the lead sound of the V30 but the Blue has that forward midrange for rhythm that I really like.
My classic 30 has the Celestion V Type G12 70watt, it's very crisp on cleans. Very warm and bright. Definitely my favorite speaker of all my amps. The Blue Marvel sounds great in my Envoy 110 though.
Really well done video. I wish more were made this way. Extremely helpful. I have to agree, they both had bit that I liked. Really depends what you're wanting from your speaker for a given project/performance.
I swapped a Vintage 30 in mine years ago (one of the first things I did after getting the amp). I immediately noticed that this already loud amp was even louder with the more efficient speaker. It's still in there. If I had known this beforehand I would've sought something that might be less efficient and would break up (contribute to the tone) at lower volume. Nice job in the comparison but they both sound pretty similar to me.
the 30 sounded like it had more upper mids, the BM sounded fuller, with better higher registers. im glad someone gave me this peavey cab, loaded with a 12'' BM 😀
The Peavey 12" Scorpion speakers made in the early 80's, brought on a law suit from Marshall directed at Peavey....Peavey won the law suit.....Marshall was threatened by their sound.....I have a bunch of them in all my cabinets. My two Jack Daniels amps have the Blue Marvels. My fellow musicians envy that amp....sounds fantastic.
I liked the celestion better because it had a more laid back midrange. Also, the boost on the peavey amp add to the midrange tones, so it can help fill the gap.
Thank-you so very much for taking the time to post this comparison. My Blue Marvel needed work or replacement. After hearing this, I went for the Celestion. Holy crap! My amp cam to life. I could never fully lean into strumming on my telecaster because the amp felt thin at loud levels. Not now. Full, rich tones no matter where I want to go.
Man, that's a wonderful comparison demo video! Thank you for posting #guitararcher. In terms of a "winner", the performance of the two speakers was similar enough that I'd say it boils down to personal taste. To my ears, I preferred the clean tones of the Vintage 30, and the crunch tones of the Blue Marvel (it had more high-mids, making it sound more unhinged). Of course, "your mileage may vary". Rock on!
i like them both, for different reasons. Thank you -- you aided me in making a decision. i needed 2 16 ohm ext. cabs for an old gallien-krueger 250ml and i think that the blue marvel will best suit my needs. Thanks again
@@SimonRasch - hold on. That's saying the same thing… but in reverse. If he didn't hear it on an iphone… then it sounds as good to you on your iphone. a) I listened using an android. The blue marvel sounded better. b) I listened using an iphone. The vintage sounded better. That doesn't mean that the vintage is better. It means that it sounded best on an iphone.
I have been actively searching the computer and internet for this one comparison. In hopes of hearing what a Blue marvel would sound like with the master of tone in the generations of music that has been the dominant speaker of the years of 50s 60s and on through the 70s and on. There are many specific speaker needs met by more modern and more expensive speakers that are given to different dimensions of effect and power. Yet, that they both sound very good in this setting. Simply makes me move forward in the opportunity to purchase another peavey amp with blue marvel speakers and the difference between the Sheffield and the other eminence speakers offered by amp companies can be comparative to these speakers now.
I own this amp with a Celestion and I honestly liked the Blue Marvel more. I should probably say that mine had the no-name black speaker when I got it.
You are allowed to adjust the amp tone controls to suit each speaker you know. You started with a good setting for the Peavey then failed to adjust properly for the Celestion which sounded bad as a consequence.
I thought the celestion had a nice midrange bump compared to the treble of the Peavey. The whole point not adjusting eq is to hear the tone change offered by the speaker, not the amp.
I've generally thought that most Peavey speakers including Scorpion and Sheffield did a fine job. Everyone likes to "tweak" their sound, but Peavey's speakers can hold up against the other guys. Eminence, Warehouse, Weber, Peavey, Celestion etc.... all make good speakers... each a bit different, but all good for their own thing.
The V30 sounds more musical and pleasant, and sounds better in the mix, the BM on the other hand could cut through anything, so for different applications it could be handy.
I like the Blue Marvel better for its clarity and fullness. I believe Peavey came up with the perfect match for this particular amp. Alot of it depends on what you were wanting and expecting to hear, before the first note was even struck. I was very surprised to hear the Blue Marvel was so much cleaner than the V30. I've heard the v30 in many different amps and I thought it sounded better than it did in this clip. Well, now I know, and I won't be changing out my Blue Marvel any time soon.
Cool vid! I like the sound of the V30 better, but surprisingly, not by much. The V30 is my all time favorite guitar speaker. I have 4 of them, but they're all in closed back cabs which is where I think the V30 really shines. But it sounds good in your C30. I put a Weber ceramic Blue Dog 16 ohm 50 watt in my C30. Really like it a lot. Very balanced speaker that sounds good no matter what I throw at it. The other day I used my C30 to compare the Weber spkr to one of my 1x12 closed back cabs loaded with a V30 in it. With the amp on the ground and the closed back cab on the ground sitting next to each other, I was amazed at how well the Weber hung in there. Not really a fair fight comparing an open back amp/cab vs a closed back cab. They both sounded really good and I was really impressed with the Weber in the C30. Think I made the right choice. Thanks for the vid!
I have a set of these Blue Marvels in my Peavey Duel two Twelve and feel that they would compliment a set of Texas Heats or Swamp Thangs perfectly Great comparison
Blue Marvel won (even though it sounded a little boxy), but I think it's because the Vintage 30 is really meant for high gain tones. If this was a high gain comparison, I think the V30 would win, but I don't know for sure.
Honestly I have a valve king cab with BM's I can say that My preference for any particular brand of speaker is genre specific. That being said I had to rematch the video because I thought the grey speaker was playing. In the end I have to say what i thought was the vintage 30 was actually the BM. So I have to say, I feel the BM was a much richer tone. At least for this style.
When the V30 started playing, I was like "what happened to the clarity...?" Between the two of them, I'd take the Blue Marvel, though I usually don't care for that speaker... must be because that funky tune added some spice to it... nice tasty playing, my friend... ;-)
this is how speaker comparisons should be done. that being said, my BM was much more harsh sounding. the mids were painful some times. when i put in a vintage 30 it was glassy, articulated and much less harsh in the mids which this video for what ever reason didn't represent. but i do appreciate the work you did.
Assuming nothing was EQ'd ... to my ear, I liked the PBM overall ... with this amp, I would have stayed with the original speaker, for my playing. With a different amp - who knows. From what I've heard the V30 works very well with some amps, especially solid state or hybrids to cream them up some and take the bite off.. TSFT can be a daunting process. Steady wins the race. You'll know ... when its right ... for you.
Hard to say for me, each has slight pro and con the other bests them in geez...I have a small V30 now in Orange 1x8 for my 6505+ MH but want to add a bigger 1x12 Peavey cab cheap for the price...looks like the blue marvel at higher spl and larger driver size is NOT a decrease in sound quality...good to know. Thanks for the nicely done A/B test man.
Excellently done video sir! it could not be simpler to comprehend and I like that you don't TELL me which sounds better, you let me listen and decide. In this demo the V30 wins hands down to me. For the sake of argument though I have a Peavey VK100 head that I have tried on several cabs. I ended up with a Peavey XXL 412 with the stock blue marvel 144s in it. I think the enclosed cab tightens the sound up nicely and the extra mids in the speakers prevent the tone from getting too muddy. Just an observation. Finally, thanks for not playing heavy gauge strings in drop C or an 8 string djent-o-matic through 15 death metal OD and distortion stomp boxes and expecting me to be able to hear a difference in speaker tones. LOL!
I put a vintage 30 in my classic 30 combo and it woke it up... the mids and highs were brighter... not sure if he's using the same settings for each speaker for a true comparison
Vintage 30. The blue marvel did not sound bad at all, but in comparison, it sounded like there was a blanket over it. It did not have the articulation in the eye and that the v30 has.
Nice comparison, i was thinking that the Peavey one would have sounded different in a bad way compared to the other one. I was wrong the Peavey sounded just as good if not better in some cases. Now I'm getting the cabinet for the smaller mini Peavey invective
My 75 W viper finally kick the bucket after 8yrs., so I turned it into a cab, and plugged into my 6505+112, it sounds way brighter than my stock sheffield. I play them side by side,
Both sound good but could you redo this comparison playing hard rock and metal riffs as I am liking the Blue Marvel speaker here but want to hear how it reacts against the Vintage 30 in hard rock riffs
Wow, I actually had them backwards. I think I actually like the Blue Marvels better. The driven signal part sounded like dog crap to me in with the Celestion.
I have an older Classic 30 with the Blue Marvel and a newer Classic 30 with the 70th Anniversary G12H. The older one has Sovtek power tubes and Electroharmonics preamp tubes. The newer one has JJ power tubes and a mix of JJ, Ruby and an unknown brand (USA) preamp tubes. The older amp sounded cleaner, so I have been switching the tubes and speaker around, but the Blue Marvel always seems to sound cleaner, whichever amp its in, whereas with the G12H, the individual strings seem less distinctive, and the sound all runs together more (as Greg Koch would say - That's a technical term). I realize I have a lot of variables going on, but I wonder if the G12H has to be played at very high volume to be appreciated.
Exactly the comparison I was looking for. I have a 2014 Peavey Bandit 112 with a Blue Marvel... Wish I could hear the G12-T 75 as well but the Vintage 30 sounds better than the BM... a scooped mid sound compared to the BM.
Blue Marvel wins clearer top end without being harsh. Now what does it sound like with an amp it is not designed for that is the question. I never thought about them as replacement speakers. I will now.
Great Demo! Vintage 30 for me hands down! I swapped mine out in this amp with a Vintage 30 a long time ago and much prefer it. There is no comparison. The Vintage 30 is a much more articulate speaker with more sparkle and chime and defined low end where as the Marvel has a mid boost which makes it sound a bit muffled/muted.. from a sound engineer's standpoint the human ear hears the mid frequencies the easiest. It doesn't make sense to boost that range or frequencies. John Mayer has it figured out.. his Big Dipper Strat pickups are made with the mids scooped out hence the name to enhance the frequencies the human hear doesn't hear as easily .. the sparkle and chime and the deep low end.
FYI Both the V30 and the Blue Marvel have mid humps. The mid hump of the Vintage30 is articulated a little lower frequency wise than the Blue Marvel. This makes the V30 very suitable for downtuned metal chugga chugga riffin´which is why so many metal guitarists use them,- they still cut through even with down tuning. For any kind of rootsy or classic rock tone in more standard tuning the Blue Marvel is probably the better choice. Neither is the "better" speaker,- different beasts for different tasks.
All I can tell you is that I have a U.S. made Studio Pro 112 from the mid-late '90s with the Blue Marvel in it. Even though it's an open back cabinet, the Blue Marvel sounds way too dark. I thought this could be something inherent to the actual amp circuitry so I tried a few different speakers over time. All of them brightened up the sound quite a bit. It seems either to be the Blue Marvel itself or maybe I just got a lemon?
Great video. I thought both speakers sounded great, but the V30 was more open and up-front, where the Blue Marvel sounded a bit more compressed to my ears. I listed with good quality headphones. I Have one of the newer two older classic 30's which I have Weber Blue Dogs in both of, but I recently got another Classic 30, one of the new limited edition ones which comes with a Celestion G12 V-Type stock, Im going to break it in a bit and see what I want to do. I know this speaker in my Fender 68 Custom sounds amazing!
Thanks! There are sound like microphone position is changed every time you change the speaker. The Blue Marvel sound like microphone is in far position, and V30 are very close:) I think it's because they have different resistion and sencivity
Kinda hard to choose. I suppose the stock speaker sounded better for the cleans, but too middy for the drive (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I like guys such as Paul Kossoff and Billy Gibbons who use midrangey tones) whereas the v30 opened up the drive. But having said that, the difference is subtle in my Koss headphones.
This is so surreal because I own both of these, and ONLY these two. The blue marvel came in a Vypyr 30 that is long dead but I'm using the cabinet still. The V30 came in an Engl Screamer which also died by now. Again, I'm using the cabinet now. A few wires and you can use them with other tops. I can tell you that driven by the same amp the blue marvel sounds much smoother and has more range while the V30 sounds much more gritty and cuts through multiple instruments. I like the blue marvel to play alone much more while I prefer the V30 in a band setting.
Perhaps THE best speaker comparison I've seen on youtube. Kudos, my friend. *applause*
I was getting ready to buy a 1x12 cab by Peavy for at home practice and have two options from peavey,
one is loaded with a celestion for $300 and the other peavey has the Blue marvel for $150.
After listening to this on really good headphones there is NO WAY the celestion is worth twice as much money!
Thanks for making this choice easy for me! I will get TWO 1x12 blue marvel loaded cabs for the price of one celestion loaded one!
Awesome, glad the video helped out!
I disagree, celestian sounds way better in this amp after I’ve installed it
Maybe mix the two speakers for a sonic salad…
@@drchamp1902 A Vintage 30 costs slightly less than 150$ though.
For 290 he could get a Blue Marvel loaded cab AND a Vintage 30.
Less money and a spare speaker.
Surprisingly, I liked the Blue Marvel better. It seemed clearer and more defined to me. At times the V30 sounded like it had a sock over it.
I’ll keep the Blue Marvel in the amp. I have an extension cab with a Vintage 30 so I’ll get the best of both worlds.
My experience with these two speakers is that the Blue Marvel sounds nice at low volume but falls apart at high volume. Whereas the V30 sounds uninspiring at low volume and truly shines at high volume.
I also think the amp was eq'd to suit the Blue Marvel in this video, which ended up selling the V30 short.
That's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks 👍
@@luizdiaz5196 This comment is untrue. The Blue Marvel really shines at high volume and is a much better match for the Peavey Bandit. (The V30 🔊 is a horrible choice for the Bandit)
The Blue Marvel has a lot of headroom, is voiced nice and handles high volumes incredibly well. It sounds better at all volumes imo. The problem is like all speakers they need braking in.
If you have a Bandit that’s never been gigged then the 🔈 needs loosening. You could play some Jazzy big band music into the “power amp in” (back of the amp) with a blanket over it, that will help for braking it in. The blanket could keep the volume levels down in the room. Do this for 30 mins a day, at half volume for 2-3 days and your speaker will thank you.
I had a Peavey Classic 50 tweed 410. The blue marvel speakers are actually made by Eminence. It tells you on the label. These speakers sound very nice.
Excellent demo of speakers. I wish everyone did amp and speaker comparisons like this. I've also read several people on threads say they want to hear the Peavey Classic half stack with Greenbacks. Nobody has done it as a demo yet.
Wow - I would not of Guessed this in a MILLION YEARS... I've always thought the Vintage 30 would be Far Superior to the Blue Marvel. I stand Corrected - I am a New Fan on the Peavey Blue Marvel - Thank you for making this Comparison!
All peavey guitar speakers sound better than people give them credit for. They are really cheap used because of it. Also it has to do mostly to the marketing, names, and visuals of them. If they gave them better names with better graphics they probably be more popular than they are.
I put my blue marvel back in my cab.much clearer sound. Very underrated speaker.
Best speaker demo I've ever seen - well done on the execution
For playing alone I choose the Vintage 30. For playing in a band the Peavey Blue Marvel cuts better.
sticksnstones23 Excellent comment.
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blue marvel hands down kina was hoping the celestion but nice to know now i dont need too spend more money !!!!
Excellent comparison video.
I've swapped the stock BM in my Windsor into a V30, but decided to switch back. Now I know why :-)
Had I seen (and heard!) your video earlier, I could have saved time, as it concludes what I already found out myself :-)
I like the Blue Marvel better as well. It was cleaner, tighter and just more pleasant to the ear than the Celestion.
Great comparison, thank you. Interesting to hear the different comments and realize how varied people's tastes are. I personally like the Blue Marvel between these two (especially on the lead channel - I think it would cut through much better in a band mix), but again it's just a matter of taste. I recently did a similar comparison with my old (mid-90s) Classic 50 410, swapping out 2 of the speaker with a pair of WGS G10Cs. The WGS speakers are very good IMO, but I couldn't tell enough difference to justify the cost of replacing the speakers, so I returned them.
My amp has a blue marvel and, although I'd consider an upgrade, I'm pretty sure the celestion Vintage 30 isn't the speaker for me. Thanks for the comparison.
Check out peavey has a V30 Clone speaker it is one of the Sheffields I think they have one close to a v30 but may work with your amp better. Also Check out any Celestion Heritage speakers they are the best sounding Celestions. My favorite is the G12H-75 Creamback
Cruz Daniels said "Perhaps THE best speaker comparison I've seen on youtube. Kudos, my friend." I
Awesome! Thanks!
I absolutely love my new to me USA Classic 30. Saw a lotta stuff about changing the speaker. Based on this...I'm good. Only thing that needs an upgrade is the player. ;-( But to the OP.....thanks for taking the time to do this vid. (and I'm listening through hi end studio monitors w/ outboard amp)
Wow! This was a great comparison. Thanks. Before buying the amp, I would have opted for the Celestion. Although this is a personal preference, I like the Blue Marvel best in this comparison as well as in my Classic 30 amp which is nearly 20 years old now.
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the blue marvel is more midrange ... style fender
hilariously sounds as good if not better! Sure it's midrange but we are not expecting studio monitor accuracy but good fat guitar tone!
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They both sound just like my computer speakers.
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Try some good headphones
lmao
@@armandomorenotherevival7827 i have $300 bose and these sound just like them =O
LOL !!!!
Listen at 0:15 then at 1:03. The Blue Marvel is more treble (open sound) than Vintage 30. The Vintage 30 is a little muffled in clean sounds. The same when compared 0:39 and 1:28.
Blue Marvel kicks ass!
I have a Peavy Cab with the Blue Marvel’s and its a Sleeper thrash Cab. Those same cutting lead notes also help with a mid sweep. Pretty much imo the best thrash metal/Hardcore speaker out there for that genre/crossover. If you like mid heavy metalcore/Metal tones and mid heavy rock etc. the Vintage 30 would be for you. That Blue Marvel with the 5150 sounds amazing.
What a great comparison video. Well done. Slight edge to the Blue Marvel to my ears.
To be honest, I had expected a much bigger difference. The V30 is not brighter or anything. But it definitely jumps at you more with overdriven tones. No wonder it's the most used rock and metal speaker.
The Blue Marvel for me. Sounded warmer on cleans. On overdrive the Celestion sounded like it had a cold. Poor thing.
blue marvel sounded way better to my ears... v30 was muffled sounding.
I know what you mean... but a part of me thought 'that's the classic high end handling...'. Like, the Greenbacks don't get fizzy?
I felt the opposite about the cleans I liked the v30 but for overdrive I like the peavey
Clean sound:
The blue marvel would cut through much better in a live band situation. The mids are all but gone on the V30 (you can practice live without fear of being heard).
Distorted lead:
They both sound good, but once the band is playing, the BM will be heard more clearly.
@@HangsLopsided you are nuts. The v30 is all mids. And projects through the mix perfectly. Hence why it's the most recorded guitar speaker in history.
It's clear as day in the video.
Nothing wrong with the BM. Sounds great. But simply put, you are just wrong.
Are you deaf?
The celestion has a grinding grit to it that just seems to hang there most of the time. I like it for lead tones OK, but for rhythm I had to change one of the V30/s to a cleaner speaker(212 cab), and for me and my own tastes, it was a great fix. I likes the Marvel, sounds more "musical" to my ears.
Ugh tough choice totally not a clear cut winner for me. I loved the lead sound of the V30 but the Blue has that forward midrange for rhythm that I really like.
My classic 30 has the Celestion V Type G12 70watt, it's very crisp on cleans. Very warm and bright. Definitely my favorite speaker of all my amps. The Blue Marvel sounds great in my Envoy 110 though.
have you done any comparison of blue marvel with the greenback? looking at their 2 x 12 cabs and they have one with each....
Really well done video. I wish more were made this way. Extremely helpful. I have to agree, they both had bit that I liked. Really depends what you're wanting from your speaker for a given project/performance.
I swapped a Vintage 30 in mine years ago (one of the first things I did after getting the amp). I immediately noticed that this already loud amp was even louder with the more efficient speaker. It's still in there. If I had known this beforehand I would've sought something that might be less efficient and would break up (contribute to the tone) at lower volume. Nice job in the comparison but they both sound pretty similar to me.
the 30 sounded like it had more upper mids, the BM sounded fuller, with better higher registers. im glad someone gave me this peavey cab, loaded with a 12'' BM 😀
The Peavey 12" Scorpion speakers made in the early 80's, brought on a law suit from Marshall directed at Peavey....Peavey won the law suit.....Marshall was threatened by their sound.....I have a bunch of them in all my cabinets. My two Jack Daniels amps have the Blue Marvels. My fellow musicians envy that amp....sounds fantastic.
Thanks for the demo EXCELLENT! I just bought the Peavey with Blue Marvel, this helps me to see that its not too bad of a speaker!! God Bless...Ed
also, very nicely done, thank you for your efforts. This should be the model for speaker comparisons.
I liked the celestion better because it had a more laid back midrange. Also, the boost on the peavey amp add to the midrange tones, so it can help fill the gap.
I love my blue marvel. Such a clean, crisp tone.
I have three different B Marvels and all of them are more than adequate.
blue marvel - both are really nice though and in my mind it was a close one.
Thank-you so very much for taking the time to post this comparison. My Blue Marvel needed work or replacement. After hearing this, I went for the Celestion. Holy crap! My amp cam to life. I could never fully lean into strumming on my telecaster because the amp felt thin at loud levels. Not now. Full, rich tones no matter where I want to go.
Fantastic! Excellent comparo! I might be in the minority, but I like elements of both, and ponder a 2X12 loaded with them both.
Man, that's a wonderful comparison demo video! Thank you for posting #guitararcher. In terms of a "winner", the performance of the two speakers was similar enough that I'd say it boils down to personal taste. To my ears, I preferred the clean tones of the Vintage 30, and the crunch tones of the Blue Marvel (it had more high-mids, making it sound more unhinged). Of course, "your mileage may vary". Rock on!
thanks!
i like them both, for different reasons. Thank you -- you aided me in making a decision. i needed 2 16 ohm ext. cabs for an old gallien-krueger 250ml and i think that the blue marvel will best suit my needs. Thanks again
This was a great video! The Blue Marvel had more high end clarity, but the V30 was smoother. Im going to keep my Blue Marvel, after this.
Listening on iPhone…. I hear the Exact opposit. 🙂
V30 is brighter and more clarity.
The name Blue fits perfectly. Less treble and presence.
Wait…. Oops ☺️
The one thats marked white/greyed out is the one NOT playing… 🙃
Then I totally agree with you.
LOL 😂😂
@@SimonRasch - hold on. That's saying the same thing… but in reverse.
If he didn't hear it on an iphone… then it sounds as good to you on your iphone.
a) I listened using an android. The blue marvel sounded better.
b) I listened using an iphone. The vintage sounded better.
That doesn't mean that the vintage is better.
It means that it sounded best on an iphone.
@@SimonRasch - I think you fell for the ol "okey-doke"?
@@p4our587 I just think that: The Blue Marvel had more high end clarity, but the V30 was smoother
I actually own two cabs, one with v 30's the other with blue marvels. I think they go great together because they do what the other one doesn't
I see you are man of culture :P
Blended sounds are the best sounds!
Think it’d sound good if they were setup as X? One of each in each cab
Right, the celestion has more present mids for rhythm for sure.The marvel is a better match for the grit on the leads.
The v30 definetly has the midrange bump. The blue marvel has a lot of top end
I have been actively searching the computer and internet for this one comparison. In hopes of hearing what a Blue marvel would sound like with the master of tone in the generations of music that has been the dominant speaker of the years of 50s 60s and on through the 70s and on. There are many specific speaker needs met by more modern and more expensive speakers that are given to different dimensions of effect and power. Yet, that they both sound very good in this setting. Simply makes me move forward in the opportunity to purchase another peavey amp with blue marvel speakers and the difference between the Sheffield and the other eminence speakers offered by amp companies can be comparative to these speakers now.
I own this amp with a Celestion and I honestly liked the Blue Marvel more. I should probably say that mine had the no-name black speaker when I got it.
I actually liked the blue marvel quite a bit more overall. Thanks!
You are allowed to adjust the amp tone controls to suit each speaker you know. You started with a good setting for the Peavey then failed to adjust properly for the Celestion which sounded bad as a consequence.
I thought the celestion had a nice midrange bump compared to the treble of the Peavey. The whole point not adjusting eq is to hear the tone change offered by the speaker, not the amp.
I've generally thought that most Peavey speakers including Scorpion and Sheffield did a fine job. Everyone likes to "tweak" their sound, but Peavey's speakers can hold up against the other guys. Eminence, Warehouse, Weber, Peavey, Celestion etc.... all make good speakers... each a bit different, but all good for their own thing.
The V30 sounds more musical and pleasant, and sounds better in the mix, the BM on the other hand could cut through anything, so for different applications it could be handy.
I like the Blue Marvel better for its clarity and fullness. I believe Peavey came up with the perfect match for this particular amp. Alot of it depends on what you were wanting and expecting to hear, before the first note was even struck. I was very surprised to hear the Blue Marvel was so much cleaner than the V30. I've heard the v30 in many different amps and I thought it sounded better than it did in this clip. Well, now I know, and I won't be changing out my Blue Marvel any time soon.
Cool vid! I like the sound of the V30 better, but surprisingly, not by much. The V30 is my all time favorite guitar speaker. I have 4 of them, but they're all in closed back cabs which is where I think the V30 really shines. But it sounds good in your C30.
I put a Weber ceramic Blue Dog 16 ohm 50 watt in my C30. Really like it a lot. Very balanced speaker that sounds good no matter what I throw at it. The other day I used my C30 to compare the Weber spkr to one of my 1x12 closed back cabs loaded with a V30 in it. With the amp on the ground and the closed back cab on the ground sitting next to each other, I was amazed at how well the Weber hung in there. Not really a fair fight comparing an open back amp/cab vs a closed back cab. They both sounded really good and I was really impressed with the Weber in the C30. Think I made the right choice. Thanks for the vid!
I have a set of these Blue Marvels in my Peavey Duel two Twelve and feel that they would compliment a set of Texas Heats or Swamp Thangs perfectly
Great comparison
Celestion sounded too compressed and lacked the attack the Blue Marvel had.
Blue Marvel won (even though it sounded a little boxy), but I think it's because the Vintage 30 is really meant for high gain tones. If this was a high gain comparison, I think the V30 would win, but I don't know for sure.
Honestly I have a valve king cab with BM's I can say that My preference for any particular brand of speaker is genre specific. That being said I had to rematch the video because I thought the grey speaker was playing. In the end I have to say what i thought was the vintage 30 was actually the BM. So I have to say, I feel the BM was a much richer tone. At least for this style.
When the V30 started playing, I was like "what happened to the clarity...?"
Between the two of them, I'd take the Blue Marvel, though I usually don't care for that speaker... must be because that funky tune added some spice to it... nice tasty playing, my friend... ;-)
this is how speaker comparisons should be done. that being said, my BM was much more harsh sounding. the mids were painful some times. when i put in a vintage 30 it was glassy, articulated and much less harsh in the mids which this video for what ever reason didn't represent. but i do appreciate the work you did.
First of all like alot have said , great video. ,Great playing , great riff (song). Man videos all need to be like this
I got tired of listening to people talk. I just want to hear the gear, man!
the peavey sounds clearer. the celestion sounds muffled
Blue Marvel nailed the southern rock tone. Great note separation.
Assuming nothing was EQ'd ... to my ear, I liked the PBM overall ... with this amp, I would have stayed with the original speaker, for my playing. With a different amp - who knows. From what I've heard the V30 works very well with some amps, especially solid state or hybrids to cream them up some and take the bite off.. TSFT can be a daunting process. Steady wins the race. You'll know ... when its right ... for you.
No EQ or other any other signal processing was applied in the recording. The Amps EQ dials were all set to the middle position.
The Blue Marvell is a good speaker. Like it better in this comparison.
Very surprised by how much I liked the V30. Great comparison. Do more!
Hard to say for me, each has slight pro and con the other bests them in geez...I have a small V30 now in Orange 1x8 for my 6505+ MH but want to add a bigger 1x12 Peavey cab cheap for the price...looks like the blue marvel at higher spl and larger driver size is NOT a decrease in sound quality...good to know. Thanks for the nicely done A/B test man.
Excellently done video sir! it could not be simpler to comprehend and I like that you don't TELL me which sounds better, you let me listen and decide. In this demo the V30 wins hands down to me.
For the sake of argument though I have a Peavey VK100 head that I have tried on several cabs. I ended up with a Peavey XXL 412 with the stock blue marvel 144s in it. I think the enclosed cab tightens the sound up nicely and the extra mids in the speakers prevent the tone from getting too muddy. Just an observation.
Finally, thanks for not playing heavy gauge strings in drop C or an 8 string djent-o-matic through 15 death metal OD and distortion stomp boxes and expecting me to be able to hear a difference in speaker tones. LOL!
Thanks!
I put a vintage 30 in my classic 30 combo and it woke it up... the mids and highs were brighter... not sure if he's using the same settings for each speaker for a true comparison
To me each speaker sounded better on certain parts.
Vintage 30. The blue marvel did not sound bad at all, but in comparison, it sounded like there was a blanket over it. It did not have the articulation in the eye and that the v30 has.
Nice comparison, i was thinking that the Peavey one would have sounded different in a bad way compared to the other one. I was wrong the Peavey sounded just as good if not better in some cases. Now I'm getting the cabinet for the smaller mini Peavey invective
I won...I bought a Peavey Red Stripe Bandit with the speaker already upgraded to a Seventy 80 and it is sweet. Does wicked Peter Green tones...(".)
My 75 W viper finally kick the bucket after 8yrs., so I turned it into a cab, and plugged into my 6505+112, it sounds way brighter than my stock sheffield. I play them side by side,
The v30 needed more excursion. Ditto on break-ins. I wish there could be a happy middle of these two. (Or did I describe a CL80?)
Both sound good but could you redo this comparison playing hard rock and metal riffs as I am liking the Blue Marvel speaker here but want to hear how it reacts against the Vintage 30 in hard rock riffs
Wow, I actually had them backwards. I think I actually like the Blue Marvels better. The driven signal part sounded like dog crap to me in with the Celestion.
I'll take the clarity of the classic 30 and adjust where it's lacking with EQ.
Great demo! Thanks!
Nice job on the video; my decision is made. New Blue marvel for my 1976 vibrochamp.
man like both. a little play with my amp EQ and this will work well, and if you put the two together wow what a good sound.
Great Comparison! Love it! Great Job
Wow I was thinking of buying a couple of those vintage 30 ‘s not after this video thanks for the info!!
I have an older Classic 30 with the Blue Marvel and a newer Classic 30 with the 70th Anniversary G12H. The older one has Sovtek power tubes and Electroharmonics preamp tubes. The newer one has JJ power tubes and a mix of JJ, Ruby and an unknown brand (USA) preamp tubes. The older amp sounded cleaner, so I have been switching the tubes and speaker around, but the Blue Marvel always seems to sound cleaner, whichever amp its in, whereas with the G12H, the individual strings seem less distinctive, and the sound all runs together more (as Greg Koch would say - That's a technical term). I realize I have a lot of variables going on, but I wonder if the G12H has to be played at very high volume to be appreciated.
+Dobes49 Or be played loud for a while to break it in. I bought both amps used so have no idea how much they have been played.
A couple of years ago I watched this and misunderstood which speaker I was hearing.
Exactly the comparison I was looking for. I have a 2014 Peavey Bandit 112 with a Blue Marvel... Wish I could hear the G12-T 75 as well but the Vintage 30 sounds better than the BM... a scooped mid sound compared to the BM.
Great video! I have a blue marvel, but, in this case, I prefer Celestion V30.. But, both of them are good, it depends on situation
Blue Marvel wins clearer top end without being harsh. Now what does it sound like with an amp it is not designed for that is the question. I never thought about them as replacement speakers. I will now.
Great Demo! Vintage 30 for me hands down! I swapped mine out in this amp with a Vintage 30 a long time ago and much prefer it. There is no comparison. The Vintage 30 is a much more articulate speaker with more sparkle and chime and defined low end where as the Marvel has a mid boost which makes it sound a bit muffled/muted.. from a sound engineer's standpoint the human ear hears the mid frequencies the easiest. It doesn't make sense to boost that range or frequencies. John Mayer has it figured out.. his Big Dipper Strat pickups are made with the mids scooped out hence the name to enhance the frequencies the human hear doesn't hear as easily .. the sparkle and chime and the deep low end.
i agree, the marvel is a middy speaker.
FYI Both the V30 and the Blue Marvel have mid humps. The mid hump of the Vintage30 is articulated a little lower frequency wise than the Blue Marvel.
This makes the V30 very suitable for downtuned metal chugga chugga riffin´which is why so many metal guitarists use them,- they still cut through even with down tuning.
For any kind of rootsy or classic rock tone in more standard tuning the Blue Marvel is probably the better choice.
Neither is the "better" speaker,- different beasts for different tasks.
Sounds like Metallica must have had it figured out in the 80's!
Blue Marvel com toda Certeza!!! Excelente.
All I can tell you is that I have a U.S. made Studio Pro 112 from the mid-late '90s with the Blue Marvel in it. Even though it's an open back cabinet, the Blue Marvel sounds way too dark. I thought this could be something inherent to the actual amp circuitry so I tried a few different speakers over time. All of them brightened up the sound quite a bit. It seems either to be the Blue Marvel itself or maybe I just got a lemon?
Great video. I thought both speakers sounded great, but the V30 was more open and up-front, where the Blue Marvel sounded a bit more compressed to my ears. I listed with good quality headphones. I Have one of the newer two older classic 30's which I have Weber Blue Dogs in both of, but I recently got another Classic 30, one of the new limited edition ones which comes with a Celestion G12 V-Type stock, Im going to break it in a bit and see what I want to do. I know this speaker in my Fender 68 Custom sounds amazing!
Thanks! There are sound like microphone position is changed every time you change the speaker. The Blue Marvel sound like microphone is in far position, and V30 are very close:) I think it's because they have different resistion and sencivity
Yep, surprised I'm prefering the peavey.
Blue marvel hands down, gig with mine every night
i have a 2-10 Peavey ( with 2 weber alnico's ), now that sounds heaven !
Kinda hard to choose. I suppose the stock speaker sounded better for the cleans, but too middy for the drive (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I like guys such as Paul Kossoff and Billy Gibbons who use midrangey tones) whereas the v30 opened up the drive. But having said that, the difference is subtle in my Koss headphones.
This is so surreal because I own both of these, and ONLY these two.
The blue marvel came in a Vypyr 30 that is long dead but I'm using the cabinet still. The V30 came in an Engl Screamer which also died by now. Again, I'm using the cabinet now. A few wires and you can use them with other tops.
I can tell you that driven by the same amp the blue marvel sounds much smoother and has more range while the V30 sounds much more gritty and cuts through multiple instruments.
I like the blue marvel to play alone much more while I prefer the V30 in a band setting.
surprisingly I liked the Blue Marvel better!