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Pipe Frame also has similar stats to Varmint and City tripper. The difference is hitbox vs invincibility. The Yoshi Category also isn't dead at all, Teddy is still great and Rosalina Class is pretty solid still. I think the update expanded the meta, and killed the most used combo (Yoshi Inkstriker) by replacing it with Kamek Pipe Frame.
Kamek and the pipe frame being really good is almost poetic, since Kamek was cut from MK64 and the pipe frame was the kart from that game. Let him have this one. He's waited long enough.
I think it will still be good if you’re good with item management. My combo was yoshi biddy rollers which still feels really good. Except that combo now has the worst invincibility stat in the game which is only 1.0. To put into perspective, a combo like Kamek Teddy and GLA tires has an invincibility of 3.25
Yeah I agree, the yoshi/birdo meta was perfect imo because there were sooo many color options that it would feel like they were separate characters. There were also other viable options with the same vehicle, tires, and glider like peach, daisy, Luigi, iggy, mario, and ludwig
Thank you for the shoutout, Swiftjar! :) Update to the details of Heavy Mii's changes mentioned in the patch notes: They used to match Bowser and Morton's statistics on the in-game graph, this was updated to match Wario and Dry Bowser's statistics. This also means they shared Wario and Dry Bowser's Invincibility buff (a value of 1.00 (4 points)) instead of Bowser and Morton's buff. Thanks to 7step for discovering this, who has also updated Mario Kart Blog with the changes.
Thanks for the info! Really appreciate it. Always going to give shout outs to the people providing the information. Makes my life SO much easier. Keep up the great work and I hope you’re enjoying the wave.
I love how Kamek fits the Pipe Frame because it kind of shows how he was supposed to originally be in Mario Kart 64 beucase the only kart in that game was the pipe frame really cool Nintendo 👍
I've compared one combo to 2 of the main(?) meta combos usually used online, and heres what i found. so luigi, iggy or kamek on the pipeframe, button tires, and paper glider or cloud glider, has same or better stats than yoshi on the inkStricker with rollers and paper glider and luigi on teddy buggy with rollers and paper glider. WITH 2 EXCEPTIONS. one, the air speed. the air speed on the pipeframe combo i mentioned has less air speed and control, but i would say that doesnt matter, because your not going To spend most of your time in the air, nor does control really matter bc yk... you're in the air basically going straight. and the other thing, the mini turbo stat. for the pipeframe combo its 4.75, and the other 2 is 5. for me, i would say it wouldnt really matter, its only a one point difference, i think. if you want more mini turbo use the rollers, but then that would take away the "meta" stats, but if your decent at the game, then the rollers are a go for you. And the traction is less for the pipeframe combo, but its only a little difference and only matters on like 4 maps.
Great video, very informative and to the point! Anyway, I imagine the meta build's still gonna be Yoshi Inkstriker. Stuff like City Tripper, Streetle and Tanooki Mario became really good but like, at least on paper they seem more like alternatives rather than flat out better than Yoshi. Granted though, the only real way we can tell is to wait.
What they did right in wave 4 was that they didn't directly nerf characters but buffed everything else. Seeing the previous metas get buffed and nerfed and with invincibility being as important as it has become... Seeing my boy Luigi get a big Invincibility nerf hurts for sure.
@@RiqMoran I saw there that Lakitu's invincibility got nerfed and since he shares the same stats, I thought Luigi might've gotten nerfed even if it's just slightly. Maybe I jumped the gun there.
Nah, Luigi is safe. lakitu is in the lightweight class right above the baby characters. Luigi is a midweigh. Luigi was basically the cutoff, everyone lighter than luigi got nerfed. Including Yoshi.
Wiggler on Varmint (same stats as Pipe) is my new favorite. Outclasses old walu wiggler and has a smaller hitbox. But Luigi Teddy is still clearly the best.
I’m looking more towards the characters that got the mini-turbo buffs in the patch, but especially the Villagers and Inkling Girl, but more so Villagers as they were viable last wave and aren’t getting hit as bad invincibility wise as the rest of the viable combos last wave Out of what we saw in Wave 4, it’s looking like Rosalina and Link will likely remain the most viable and potentially also could become the new meta as Yoshi and Birdo are receiving invincibility nerfs while Rosalina and Link are getting the opposite As for the karts and wheels, I’m not sure what to expect, but I certainly think the pipe frame will be a big one. As for wheels, I think roller could still be viable, but being absent from the patch twice in a row while other wheels are receiving buffs may mean it’s downfall, but it’s acceleration is still unmatched Much like at the start of Wave 4, I see potential for just about every character under the sun and am excited to see how this patch develops…
What’s interesting here are Petey and Wiggler being heavyweights but Petey is paired with the metal clones and Wiggler having medium sized vehicles, to people who say Diddy should be a lightweight, they could give him medium sized vehicles but share stats with Toad, Shy Guy & Larry
i play as cat peach with standard kart with roller wheels, did the physics change because in all the new tracks i just feel like im slipping everywhere like ik driving on ice
Fun fact if Wiggler released in base game Before wave 4 balance patch Wiggler on wild Wiggler could have been the meta since it would share the same stats as Waluigi Wiggler
We may need another patch, tried doing a versus race with teams, and three of the cpus on my team kept scoring last place. Like literally, every single race. Like 20 races in a row or so, it was on 200cc with normal cpu so maybe that's why, but any other of the cou's did fine, just those 3 that were bugged. It's likely a problem with the ai though, since it was Bwoser Jr, Bowser and Wario. Sure, I was using custom items, but that should still have that effect on everyone, and at least vary from race to race.
Wiggler is a heavy, he has the same stats as Waluigi. BUT, whatever vehicule you pick will be as small as that of a medium character. It looks silly and also makes you less likely to get hit because you take up less space.
Y'now, when you mentioned this upcoming video in the stream after I mentioned Tanooki Mario, I started feeling optimistic. Guess it wasn't entirely unjustified either as he did get a bit of a buff.
Even if the meta change, i will still use my boys Shy Guy and Wiggler they are the ultimate goats of mk8dx (i am so fricking sad i couldn't joined the live and race with you, i was sleeping way too hard)
She's still a top tier. Good mini turbo, decent speed, and her invincibility was increased. Instead of Teddy buggy though, try pipe frame. It's been working for me online.
People really believe that a certain combination helps that much?! 😂 i constantly change uo my vehicle and character and i still finish 1st 90% of the time.
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Just imagine that Wiggler on the Wild Wiggler will be the new meta
I wished
PERFECT
Could’ve been a reality if Waluigi Wiggler didn’t get pushed out of the meta.
Yes
Even though they did nothing to sponge wheels, it matches really well
Since wiggler has the same stats as waluigi, wiggler on wild wiggler WOULD have been the meta had he been in the base game
At least then people would find it funny unlike the Waluigi Wiggler.
LITERALLY
And also wiggler uses medium cart size instead of large, so it would be meta over wa Luigi because smaller hitbox
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi true. Not only that, but it's actually funny seeing the combo
@@Zekken_The_Lodestarnot a fan of waluigi wednesday I see
I like the other one though...
For those worried about the meta being locked behind a paywall, Kamek has the same stats as Luigi and Iggy, so there's nothing to worry about.
Pipe Frame also has similar stats to Varmint and City tripper. The difference is hitbox vs invincibility.
The Yoshi Category also isn't dead at all, Teddy is still great and Rosalina Class is pretty solid still. I think the update expanded the meta, and killed the most used combo (Yoshi Inkstriker) by replacing it with Kamek Pipe Frame.
Kamek and the pipe frame being really good is almost poetic, since Kamek was cut from MK64 and the pipe frame was the kart from that game.
Let him have this one. He's waited long enough.
for a wave anyways
that means luigi is good as well though? also isn't mario in standard kart still really good?
@@Matanumi it's funny that the mario standard is great now. Because it was pretty bad beforehand.
My current combo is Daisy, Pipe Frame, Button tires, and Flower Glider. It has almost near identical stats as Kamek Pipe Frame Rollers
I do like what they have done is that any red shells or blue ones only have the warning if they are coming for you specifically
oh!? CTGP 7 did the same with the LED warning
I just hope the Yoshi meta hasn't actually changed. It was really good for online since he (and birdo) has a bunch of different colour variants.
Yesss, and as a Birdo fan it was nice to see lots of people pick her since she was actually a good option!
I think it will still be good if you’re good with item management. My combo was yoshi biddy rollers which still feels really good. Except that combo now has the worst invincibility stat in the game which is only 1.0. To put into perspective, a combo like Kamek Teddy and GLA tires has an invincibility of 3.25
Yeah I agree, the yoshi/birdo meta was perfect imo because there were sooo many color options that it would feel like they were separate characters. There were also other viable options with the same vehicle, tires, and glider like peach, daisy, Luigi, iggy, mario, and ludwig
Yoshi might still remain the meta
I'm glad the Pipeframe got buffed it's a classic and the Varmint and City Tripper has same stats as it.
Agreed! Justice for Kamek!
Not first! But thank-you for this. I find trying to understand this stuff and datamines very hard. Your content helps a lot.
Happy to help my friend. I appreciate this!!
Kamek + Pipe Frame being meta is the most beautiful thing I could witness. It's come full circle after being cut TWICE. Especially coming from MK64..
Thank you for the shoutout, Swiftjar! :) Update to the details of Heavy Mii's changes mentioned in the patch notes: They used to match Bowser and Morton's statistics on the in-game graph, this was updated to match Wario and Dry Bowser's statistics. This also means they shared Wario and Dry Bowser's Invincibility buff (a value of 1.00 (4 points)) instead of Bowser and Morton's buff. Thanks to 7step for discovering this, who has also updated Mario Kart Blog with the changes.
Thanks for the info! Really appreciate it. Always going to give shout outs to the people providing the information. Makes my life SO much easier. Keep up the great work and I hope you’re enjoying the wave.
Wow wasn't expecting meester tweester to be here
Yes :)
@@MeesterTweesteraye!!! Thanks for the information my friend.
I love how Kamek fits the Pipe Frame because it kind of shows how he was supposed to originally be in Mario Kart 64 beucase the only kart in that game was the pipe frame really cool Nintendo 👍
Yea still don’t understand why they nerfed lightweights, it’s already hard enough paying as rhem
I've compared one combo to 2 of the main(?) meta combos usually used online, and heres what i found. so luigi, iggy or kamek on the pipeframe, button tires, and paper glider or cloud glider, has same or better stats than yoshi on the inkStricker with rollers and paper glider and luigi on teddy buggy with rollers and paper glider. WITH 2 EXCEPTIONS. one, the air speed. the air speed on the pipeframe combo i mentioned has less air speed and control, but i would say that doesnt matter, because your not going To spend most of your time in the air, nor does control really matter bc yk... you're in the air basically going straight. and the other thing, the mini turbo stat. for the pipeframe combo its 4.75, and the other 2 is 5. for me, i would say it wouldnt really matter, its only a one point difference, i think. if you want more mini turbo use the rollers, but then that would take away the "meta" stats, but if your decent at the game, then the rollers are a go for you. And the traction is less for the pipeframe combo, but its only a little difference and only matters on like 4 maps.
Great video, very informative and to the point! Anyway, I imagine the meta build's still gonna be Yoshi Inkstriker. Stuff like City Tripper, Streetle and Tanooki Mario became really good but like, at least on paper they seem more like alternatives rather than flat out better than Yoshi. Granted though, the only real way we can tell is to wait.
What they did right in wave 4 was that they didn't directly nerf characters but buffed everything else. Seeing the previous metas get buffed and nerfed and with invincibility being as important as it has become... Seeing my boy Luigi get a big Invincibility nerf hurts for sure.
Luigi class went untouched. Unless you mean baby luigi. Luigi Teddy Rollers is still the best in the game.
@@RiqMoran I saw there that Lakitu's invincibility got nerfed and since he shares the same stats, I thought Luigi might've gotten nerfed even if it's just slightly.
Maybe I jumped the gun there.
Nah, Luigi is safe. lakitu is in the lightweight class right above the baby characters. Luigi is a midweigh. Luigi was basically the cutoff, everyone lighter than luigi got nerfed. Including Yoshi.
Shy has taken a minor blow too, what shame! Oh well, have to be adaptable 🧐
Wave 2: Fixed Coconut Mall
Wave 3: Added custom items
Wave 4: Added Birdo and 5 empty character slots for future waves
Wave 5: Rebalanced statistics
Wave 6: Fixes Sunset Wilds?
Strange to see meester tweester here of all places
Yes it is
Very well explained as always! 🎉
Glad you think so! I appreciate it a lot.
Badwagon group can get to 8 speed+mt with certain characters and rollers now. Could be a viable speedy alternative now. Looking forward to that.
Bad = Rosalina's Voluptuous Body, Goated = Kamek's shriveled pingas. Gay Goal Principles, Ew.
Love the Daisy Cruiser music in the background!!
Wiggler on Varmint (same stats as Pipe) is my new favorite. Outclasses old walu wiggler and has a smaller hitbox. But Luigi Teddy is still clearly the best.
Nah it’s Yoshi ink striker
Inkstriker was never good. Teddy outclasses it in acceleration, weight, and handling. Plus, Yoshi got nerfed.
@@RiqMoranVarmint has 0.25 less invincibility than the Pipe Frame, so it is now the best vehicle in the game.
Did the slicks just beat out the rollers?
Inkling girl buffs and nerfs and the same time
If I had to make a guess Morton + Standard ATV + Metal + Cloud Glider
Appreciate this video a lot!
I’m looking more towards the characters that got the mini-turbo buffs in the patch, but especially the Villagers and Inkling Girl, but more so Villagers as they were viable last wave and aren’t getting hit as bad invincibility wise as the rest of the viable combos last wave
Out of what we saw in Wave 4, it’s looking like Rosalina and Link will likely remain the most viable and potentially also could become the new meta as Yoshi and Birdo are receiving invincibility nerfs while Rosalina and Link are getting the opposite
As for the karts and wheels, I’m not sure what to expect, but I certainly think the pipe frame will be a big one. As for wheels, I think roller could still be viable, but being absent from the patch twice in a row while other wheels are receiving buffs may mean it’s downfall, but it’s acceleration is still unmatched
Much like at the start of Wave 4, I see potential for just about every character under the sun and am excited to see how this patch develops…
Uhhh, Kamek’s taking it bad… 3:55 - 4:27
I’ve been using petey, pipe frame, roller wheels & cloud glider and it has been working well.
I feel like the only person without DLC, and i really want it 😭. Also I'm using waluigi cause when i get the DLC I'm gonna use Wiggler (:
the balance patch is free
@@gamecubeplayer i know 💀
I just want to use Wiggler
yo swiftjar do ya think mushroom brisge is still possible
Hmmm. No :(
What’s interesting here are Petey and Wiggler being heavyweights but Petey is paired with the metal clones and Wiggler having medium sized vehicles, to people who say Diddy should be a lightweight, they could give him medium sized vehicles but share stats with Toad, Shy Guy & Larry
i play as cat peach with standard kart with roller wheels, did the physics change because in all the new tracks i just feel like im slipping everywhere like ik driving on ice
Fun fact if Wiggler released in base game Before wave 4 balance patch Wiggler on wild Wiggler could have been the meta since it would share the same stats as Waluigi Wiggler
We may need another patch, tried doing a versus race with teams, and three of the cpus on my team kept scoring last place. Like literally, every single race. Like 20 races in a row or so, it was on 200cc with normal cpu so maybe that's why, but any other of the cou's did fine, just those 3 that were bugged. It's likely a problem with the ai though, since it was Bwoser Jr, Bowser and Wario. Sure, I was using custom items, but that should still have that effect on everyone, and at least vary from race to race.
I know I’m late, but does it seem like the trick physics are floatier than normal?
I can understand the meta being moved to the DLC characters to promote their usage compared to base game characters
Kamek shares stats with Luigi and Iggy so the meta won't require a dlc character
do you have to pay to use them?
True, that
I found a car combo that could work for Petey Piranha, Landship+Roller+Cloud Glider
I'm a little lost. Wiggler is heavy but uses medium karts I dont understand
Wiggler is a heavy, he has the same stats as Waluigi. BUT, whatever vehicule you pick will be as small as that of a medium character. It looks silly and also makes you less likely to get hit because you take up less space.
I think meta will different but tanooki Mario getting buff is surprise
nerf on indicability though
If kamek in the pipe frame is popping off that means Luigi and iggy are too they have the same stats as kamek
i am going to play petey piranha
with koopa clown and the roller or the spoonge and the cloud glider
Isnt kamek just the same stats as luigi and iggy
Y'now, when you mentioned this upcoming video in the stream after I mentioned Tanooki Mario, I started feeling optimistic.
Guess it wasn't entirely unjustified either as he did get a bit of a buff.
!!! Lessgoo
does anyone else switch to wiggler wiggler when maple treeway shows up online or is it just me?
Wave 4 killed heavies and Wave 5 revived them now that midweights dont get invincibility for free.
Wave 3 killed lightweights, wave 4 revived them, then wave 5 tried to kill them again
@@SportsGaming-ll3ruthey deserve it since they have a smaller frame, making them harder to hit
P-Wing feels AMAZING now
I love the p wing its one of the best looking karts in the game, Ive been using tanooki mario with it and Im experimenting with different wheels
@@dirtymoneyyyy shame it doesn't have different colors per character. You can fimd on yt someone made a mod for it on the wii U
Kamek is in the same class as Luigi and Iggy, both of which are not behind a paywall.
wow using the pipe frame all these years.... its finally paying off
Wiggler on the wild Wiggler on maple treeway
Everyones looking to Kamek for the new meta...looks like i can still use Luigi and win maybe🤔
I like the new meta but it only going to last for 5 months and half maybe?
idk what the meta will be, but im still winning games with Peach/Standard Bike/Slik/Super Glider :)
I use koopa troopa and Dry bones a lot so I'm already at a disadvantage or I can still use it for competitive
I think the new meta is Kamek on the Tanooki Kart
Who else quits their online match when they see pink gold peach
Even if the meta change, i will still use my boys Shy Guy and Wiggler they are the ultimate goats of mk8dx (i am so fricking sad i couldn't joined the live and race with you, i was sleeping way too hard)
Amateur! I know the actual true real meta:
Wiggler with the Wild Wiggler
The GOAT
Based meta combo
I hated rosalina on the teddybuggy
Was a good time with Rosalina in top tier, time to a new meta to take her place.
She's still a top tier. Good mini turbo, decent speed, and her invincibility was increased. Instead of Teddy buggy though, try pipe frame. It's been working for me online.
I’m the best character to play as
I don't care how the meta is i'm playing wiggler
Wiggler on Wiggler!!!
Why are they nerfing my boy shy guy
WHAAAAT why did they nerf my boy!!! (Bowser Jr) does that not make his tier the worst characters of the game now? 😱😭💀
😢
I feel like they should just release a buff for the gold combo, it is still trash
Hi
People really believe that a certain combination helps that much?! 😂 i constantly change uo my vehicle and character and i still finish 1st 90% of the time.
great...
video...
but...
please...
speak...
faster...
Bro can’t even pronounce “Mario”