Wow. Joe REALLYYY exposed his inner Diaz fanboyism here. That was hard to watch. Any semblance of objectivity went right out the window as soon as Diaz was brought up...
*GongsunXin* -- What's my point? If it wasn't crystal clear already, my point was that Joe is extremely biased when it comes to Diaz. Joe is usually able to remain neutral when talking about fighters but he lets his emotions get the better of him whenever Diaz is talked about... and ESPECIALLY if talking about Diaz vs McGregor.
Ryan Dawson that's my point. The OP sounded like they were saying the fight wasn't really that close. Diaz v McGregor needs to happen one more time. And Joe is right. It'll sell the best anyways.
nate doesn't deserve title shot coming off a loss either...ferguson has interim title give him next shot. Or mcgregor can fight diaz after he gives up his belt 1st
true mma fan wants to see the best most entertaining fight possible....f*ck money...a good fight will make money it will spread by word of mouth afterwards. 3rd diaz fight doesn't interest me, wouldn't waste my money or time watching that
it makes a lot of sense actually...he's saying nate won the 2nd fight against mcgregor which some people think cause it went to decision and that depends on how you scored it. Then rogan is saying in terms of money fight diaz is the best choice, mcgregor can fight diaz after he gives up his belt to ferguson...no biggie
don't blame the pot geez, it's just a tropical annual herbaceous medicinal plant that has no negative side effects absolutely 0. There is no possible way it can cause you to act in a negative manner only positive...with that said yes he should smoke pot again and but that's just because why not smoke pot
Joe is wrong here. If McGregor went 0-2 against Nate that would have been it, nobody would want to watch a third fight since we the casual fan doesn’t view judging as deeply as Joe. Think Joe got a little aggressive with Schaub for disagreeing maybe due to sober no weed October.
Joe Rogan agrees with Brendon on Conor winning the second fight, but what he was trying to explain to Brendon is that the second fight was basically a draw and it was so close it could have gone either way. But make a third and final fight to see who's the better man. Boom. End of story.
Well your wrong cuz Conor lost his last 2 fights and yet his still the biggest draw in ufc his numbers are way bigger then anyone else literally almost every fight of Conor broke the top 10 in ufc ppv
Both fights are justified. Diaz-Conor are 1-1 and Tony is the Interim champ. Both of them need to happen, who cares which one is first....It will be a great fight either way.
Yeah Joe’s losing touch with the common audience. Or he becomes all disillusioned when he starts talking about Conor. He’s spitting some ridiculous shit here. Bottom line, Conor vs. Diaz does better PPVs, but not that much better, and it’ll always be there. There’s NO reason to do the 3rd Diaz fight right now, other than Conor protecting himself/ufc protecting him. Schuab is right: Conor needs to be next for his career/legacy. Plus, as Luke Thomas pointed out recently, stop giving a fuck about what does best PPVs. Idgaf. The next fight to watch is Conor/Tony. Conor can do his little Nate BS later.
GrowingDownUnder “I been a part of the haters for ages” lmao why hate? Trash talking sells fights and that’s why he does it. You can even see him and Nate have a respect for each other. Its business and that’s why he’s making the most money.
I think they are underestimating a McGregor vs Ferguson draw. Is Diaz REALLY a household name? I didn't know who he was until I was a UFC fan. UFC fans are the ones attending and buying the PPV. Diaz is losing relevance while Tony is gaining momentum. If you don't want to see McGregor vs Ferguson, you probably wouldn't attend either event. Fuck Diaz 3, it can wait
Trevor Mulqueen yeah and he can't train differently for Conor's only weapon right? I mean Tony is such a one dimensional fighter and his training is as plain Jane as it gets. Conor wins.
Tony keep his chin high against Kevin Lee, if he faces Conor he will (should) not keep that chin high. Kevin does not have the stand-up skill Conor has, Conor won't knock you out with one punch, he will tag you, drop you, tag you and TKO you. Conor can win that fight but I would take Tony
Dougal Fraser much better response, I agree, Tony trained with much more emphasis on Kevin Lee's wrestling which is his strongest weapon, you never train the same for 2 different fighters. Let's just hope the fight is made and we have a hell of a main event.
Schaubs right on this one. Nate and Connor could fight at anytime, so they can wait a few years and still make that. Nate doesn't plan on fighting in the next few years if it isn't against Conor, so obviously the fight to make is Conor/Ferguson. Plus even if Conor loses the trilogy fight, it still makes sense time to do the fight with Nate. If he wins and unifies the titles however, you have a gigantic trilogy super fight for the undisputed 155 belt.
Thing is, if Conor fought Tony and lost he still has a huge trilogy fight to fall back on and still generate loads of views. I'm a fan of all these fighters that are being talked about and I think Tony is more than in line for the unified belt.
I'd rather see khabib fight conor. Tony will not be able to take conor down no chance in hell. He'll be forced to strike and conor is so far above tony in striking it won't even be a close fight. Khabib on the other hand is great at take downs. He has the best chance at beating conor.
My god joe is unbearable when it comes to Conor. And none of them get to the point that, yes, Diaz is a bigger fight, but not that much bigger. There’s a small enough margin that Conor would look like a fuckin duck if he didn’t take he Ferguson fight. Also, anytime him fighting Ferguson is brought up, Joe quickly skirts around it. The guy is losing touch with what the common audience wants and thinks.
Joe's argument is basically that the fights are the same, but they did not happen. He's making up a world in which something specific happened but it never happened.
Nobody knew who Nate Diaz was in the mainstream media before he fought Conor, then he fought Conor, shit talked, and won and then they knew. The same thing can happen with tony.
Kevin Snow I disagree since Nate is quite chill and cool guy who a lot of people would be drawn to. However, tony is a strange guy who a lot of MMA fans don’t even like outside of the octagon so let alone the mainstream
Kevin Snow The casual crowd doesn't know anyone except Conor and whoever Conor fights . Casual fans don't know GSP or Jones . You can argue those are boring . They don't even know Miocic who koes people stiff in the heavyweight division .
Kevin Snow Thank you! Why can't people grasp this. Imagine Tony and Conor at a presser, sheeet, EVERYONE will know who he is. Tony has too much charisma and wildness. Tony would be the new Nate Diaz
The general consensus for Mcgregor vs Diaz 2 was a fairly clear 3-2 decision for Conor. I've seen controversial decisions before and that's not one of them. Emotional investment leads to hyperbole
It's so funny they say the outside people . Do these guys no how many people in the world is ? 1.7 million buys is the mma world . Just bc we love mma doesn't mean we Wana spend the money or have the money to spend to watch every fighter every weekend. Where the mma world comes together is for stars like Conor . There is a whole lot more than 1.7 million people in us alone , so when it gets over that number that's wen casuals come to play
Sure conor/diaz would sell more than tony/conor, but by 10/ 20 %, not exponentially. Also conor definitely won the second fight, if anything the only controversy was how nate got 2 rounds. Also the rounds were very uneven. Conor was winning rounds by a much larger margin. Joe rogan , get ur shit together! quit hugging diaz nuts.
Not only did we not get khabib and tony but we got robbed of what could’ve been prime Conor and prime tony with a little hate mixed in god that would’ve been the best fight ever.
Joe rogan definitely losing the plot,mcgregor dropped nate Diaz 3 times smashed face in,in new ufc rules or boxing that is 10-8 rounds,the fight to make tony ferguson Conor mcgregor at 155,Diaz hasn’t fought since doesn’t deserve another chance,
Joe needs to smoke again he's not thinking clearly lol. The only reason anyone wants to watch Conor vs Nate is because it's the tie breaker it's 1-1 if Nate would have beat him twice the third would not be as interesting.
Joe Rogan is my guy but he is so wrong here. man oh man. McGregor vs Diaz 2 could not have went either way. I don't even see an argument for a draw led along Nate Diaz actually winning. I don't understand why Joe is talking about the judges' decision because it was a clear win for Conor, we did not need to see the judges' scorecards in order to tell that Conor won that bout but we did see them and the judges got it right. The bout was not nearly as close as everyone claims it to be. Dillashaw vs Cruz was a razor thin contest that was a lot closer than McGregor vs Diaz 2 and the judges happen to get that one right also. I do not register Joe Rogan's argument at all and I usually agree with Joe on almost everything but Brendan Schaub ate him alive here man.
Its sad that these kinds of discussions focus on what is the biggest (money wise) as opposed to the fight that makes the most sense. Before Conor came in to the MMA world, NO ONE ever talked like this. I miss the old days.
Schaub is ABSOLUTELY right here. You can't run back a 0-2 record. In Joe's world if Conor lost the third fight by a close decision they could turn around and run it back for a fourth fight just because it was close. Once a guy solidifies himself as the better fighter you have to let it rest. Like how many times were we gonna watch Rousey-Tate? Eventually it's just over.
Proud of Shwab for sticking up for himself against Joe “Bully” Rogan. And idk why every time Conor/Tony is brought up, Joe skirts the conversation to Diaz, and puts asterisks on it: “For the purists”.
If Conor fights Nate next, the UFC will lose a lot of fans. If belts and rankings don't matter, then nothing does. Conor has to fight either Tony, Woodley, or Holloway if he could make the weight.
I could honestly give a shit about a 3rd fight between Nate and Conor and I only consider myself an average UFC fan. It's about time Conor defends his belt against a legitimate contender in Tony.
I actually agree with Schuab. No way you could sell the public on a third Diaz fight if Conor is 0-2. What Joe ignores is that if Conor had lost that second fight to Diaz, he probably never would have gotten the opportunity to fight Alvarez, and a trilogy with Diaz would have been off the table. It would have to be something like Edgar vs. Penn 3, where they had to wait years for that to be a feasible fight. If you fight a guy for the third time, and you're 0-2 going into that fight, the public just interprets that as "Oh it took you two tries to beat this guy."
Wow, I never agree with Brendan but in this case he's absolutely right. If Nate wins twice, Conor's team wouldn't go for a 3rd. They would have pushed a different guy. Conor is the draw, the opponent doesn't matter as much. Conor Nate would sell the most, but Conor and anybody else would be close enough...
I'm not sure what MMA guy who talks too much made up the 3rd fight with Nate happening. Conor has the title now and Nate is nowhere near a shot at it. They keep suggesting the UFC is going down a crazy route when they haven't done anything yet. Tony is interim and is going to get the title shot. I love Nate but you can't sit on ass and expect to get a title shot.
people are missing what joe was trying to say. he was saying that even if connor lost the 2nd fight, a 3rd fight would still sell more than a connor vs tony. at least i think thats what he was trying to say which i dont agree with
Nate needs to fight a top 5 fighter before thinking about fighting conor, conor won a belt and fight against one of the greatest boxer, Nate did... nothing.
I gotta agree with Brendan. To the “outside mma fans” of ufc, Conor vs Nate Diaz 3 would not hold as much value if Nate was up 2 and 0 on Conor. Diaz would be a bigger star and Conor’s fame wouldn’t be as high. To the general public it wouldn’t hold as much value. Money wise it’s in the Diaz 3 fight, BUT I want to see Tony vs Conor for Conor’s legacy and for him to defend his belt against the Interim belt holder. It wouldn’t make as much money as the Diaz vs McGregor fight 3 however... Conor should fight Tony next but if UFC wants the money fight it’s McGregor vs Diaz 3.
Tony vs Conor would sell big. Conor vs everyone he fought in the UFC has had record setting PPV numbers. Even Mendes, Nate and Alvarez... and the casuals had no clue who those guys were. Tony vs Conor would sell better than any UFC fight he's had so far. The concept of the fight itself sells. Any casual who hears about this will have this thought process: "Oh Conor's fighting the best UFC lightweight right now, he has the interim belt. He has good chokes and McGregor is weak there... he lost to that Nate guy from a choke. His name's Tony I think. Apparently he's won like 10 or 11 in a row. Let's look him up on RUclips. Oh damn he throws crazy elbows and rolling leg attacks. He dances and has a weird training style. This guy's entertaining. Let's buy this."
Okay, who are the people who buy PPVs? I'd guess that the people who buy them are the fans who listen to podcasts like this, or people who watch UFC regularly. Why would, like Joe and Brendan are assuming, "peripheral fans" buy a PPV? Most PPVs don't have transcendent stars like McGregor, so by their logic, surely no one would be buying those PPVs if PPV buyers are peripheral fans, but clearly there are people buying them. I reckon that there are committed fans that will always buy the PPV regardless of who's fighting, and then some more irregular fans, who maybe can't afford to buy PPV every time but take an above-average interest in the UFC and mma who will buy it when there are reasonably big fights on the card. I don't the UFC should be focusing on peripheral fans, because I don't think that those are the fans that make for big pay per views. I honestly believe that Tony vs Conor would be a bigger sell than Conor vs Nate, because it has more intrigue, Tony's earned the title, and I'd say he's a bigger threat to Conor than Nate is. I don't really care that much about Conor vs Nate, I've seen it twice. Yeah, if it happened again I'd watch it, but I'd be more likely to watch a more legitimate fight in Conor vs Tony. UFC, make the right decision.
[IMO]: Joe is wrong and Brendan (Schaub) is right here. Schaub is not trying to give a hot take, he's simply saying that wins and losses matter in the UFC's decision process of who is to fight who. Joe on the other hand seems to be giving some pseudo-philosophical insight about how numbers/wins and losses, which are very concrete and imperative things to the UFC's operation (I would imagine), are insignificant to selling a fight. That does not make sense to me. All in all, I think Joe needed to tone down his intelligence-driven arrogance for this segment. Schaub is right and his mentality explains why he's been so successful in climbing the UFC-business ladder. Also, how you gonna be talking shit about Tony when his Jiu Jitsu mentor (Edgy Brah) is right there lol
Conor better not fight Diaz next. He better get in there and fight Tony. The guy has a 10 fight win streak and he has beat plenty of good guys in that streak. Conor can't have 3 out of his last 4 MMA fights against Diaz. Not to mention Diaz hasn't fought since their last fight. This money bullshit and PPV numbers crap is getting out of control. I want to see champions fight contenders, not all these big money fights. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing super fights here and there, but this is getting ridiculous. They keep trying to put on all of these big cards with 3 title fights on them and great undercards. Other cards then fall flat. They need to sprinkle this shit all over the place, not just 1 big card every couple of months. It's a terrible strategy. Also, Joe was borderline retarded here with his arguments.
If Conor didn't win the rematch, his run would have been over. Kinda crazy, this whole ride, came back from the initial loss, stakes were high vs. Alvarez, and he delivered. Propelled his basis to talk shit to a level where he got a fucking fight with Floyd. Everything happened just so to make way for him becoming potentially the most famous martial artist ever, and worth 100 million dollars.
Rogan really trying to sell that Nate could've won the rematch and it was controversial. But look at the scorecard. All 3 judges went 1,2,4 to Conor and thats how the masses saw it. 1 Ref and all the nate fans or conor haters whatever you want to call them gave it a 10-8 to Nate. Thats as close as it was. At the very best Nate gets a draw. Everyone wants to remember nate throwing 100 punches in the last minute of round 3 but want to forget all the hard shots and leg kicks conor threw in the first few minutes of all rounds. Then its the "if the fight is 30 seconds longer then Nate submits him" excuse but you can say that about 1000 other fights. Facts are: the fight was 25 minutes and nate couldnt submit him in any of those and he was picked apart for 3 of the 5 rounds although 4 was pretty close and mcgregor was the aggressor in those 3 rounds
Joe isn't taking into account the credibility that will be lost if Conor doesn't fight the #1 contender. Even if Nate is more known by casuals, there would be an equally big pushback by hardcore fans if he doesn't fight Tony. The trilogy against Nate at this stage would be a mockery, core fans would be so upset that it would offset the hype from casuals.
Joe is talking utter shit, to suggest a rubber match is as significant as any other is just nonsense. Conor always looks for the money fights and I think the Diaz fight is deffo the one to make. I reckon, especially after all that boxing training, he sleeps Nate within 2 rounds and makes a TON of cash for it. Conor should let the UFC take his belt, fight Nate for big money and close the trilogy, let Tony seethe and defend as a champ that no one sees as legit (ask Cormier) and then fight him when Tony is desperate and feeling the pressure.
Anybody Conor Fights will be THE Money fight .im sure Diaz vs Anybody Other than McGregor won't sell 500000 Buys . I like Nate too but just not as Popular as Rogan and these Diaz brothers Fans think they are
Wtf is Schaub talking about? Of course Conor vs. Diaz would sell even if Nate won both fights. Especially with a controversial decision against Conor. Nobody could ask for a second rematch better than Conor McGregor especially when he won the LW belt...
Tony vs Conor will draw half million buys less than Conor vs Nate 3, and Conor has way better odds against Nate, smartest way to match them up would be to have Conor fight Nate and Tony fight Khabib on a fight Night in Russia, get massive views and whoever comes out the winner would be a way bigger draw going into the Conor fight, Tony deserves it though man, 9 wins in 4 years, more than Nate and Khabib combined in the same time frame
Winning and Losing a fight does not matter in this day and age... If you need proof look at Nick Diaz and how many fights he lost since being in the UFC, but is still a major draw.. McGregor could lose 3 in a row and still be the huge mega draw we know him to be. Any fighter who is a big draw will always stay a big draw.
Brendan picks the most random times to try and put his foot down with a bold opinion. You really think you couldn't sell a trilogy fight if Conor was 0-2 against Nate, BUT HAD THE BELT AT 155 that Nate was coming for?
Schaub is biased as fuck against Nate. I wish Joe had brought up the Tony Hinchcliff Podcast where Nate said Schaub had no business fighting MMA because he never had the heart for it or the argument between Schaub & Nate following the Floyd vs Conor fight that was caught on video.
Man Jeo still thinks Nate is a close star as Conor's second but ducking even if Conor lost to Nate in second, still could sell! Which means Conor is everything to this stupid Conor-Nate triology hype..... Yes, Conor is super star period! And Tony vs Conor .... finish!
The only controversy in McGregor-Diaz 2 was the judge who gave Diaz a 10-8 round resulting in a 47-47 score, but even then all 3 judges gave Conor 3 rounds... people who say Diaz won that fight need to wake the fuck up
Joe is off his rocker right now. Brenden is right. Conor had to win to make the trilogy. And I think everyone would be surprised how many people don't give a fuck about the trilogy, including myself. We saw it twice and it was fun but I actually think conor/tony would sell more.
“Win or loss doesn’t matter.”
False, I agree with Schaub
4 years later mcgregor lost to khabib, mayweather, and poirier twice and is still the biggest draw in the sport
Wow. Joe REALLYYY exposed his inner Diaz fanboyism here. That was hard to watch. Any semblance of objectivity went right out the window as soon as Diaz was brought up...
DEViANT so fucking biased to Diaz he’s talking fucking non sense making fake arguments and doubling down on some bullshit
*GongsunXin* -- What's my point? If it wasn't crystal clear already, my point was that Joe is extremely biased when it comes to Diaz. Joe is usually able to remain neutral when talking about fighters but he lets his emotions get the better of him whenever Diaz is talked about... and ESPECIALLY if talking about Diaz vs McGregor.
It's not dickriding to say that diaz vd mcgregor is a big money fight, it's a fact
* Conor vs my mum sells - Brendan Schaub 2017
He's not wrong XD
Holy Shit.
Schaub's not only right, but his argument was clear and on point.
What sort of world is this?
legit think rogan was just disagreeing on purpose lol.
he is dumb but at least he learns fast
Conor v Nate was a close fight but the rounds were easy to score, 3-2 Conor
dude you could literally make a not out of the question statement saying conor beat nate 4-1
Same I gave Conor round 1,2,and 4
At least 1 2 and 4, the take down at the end of round 5 made that a close round but I wouldn't disagree with conor winning 1 2 4 and 5
What about the first fight though bub?
Ryan Dawson that's my point. The OP sounded like they were saying the fight wasn't really that close. Diaz v McGregor needs to happen one more time. And Joe is right. It'll sell the best anyways.
You know it's bad when Brendan is sounding more intelligent than rogan
Leisure Force I was just about to say the same thing
you know you're dumb as fuck if you really think that. omg
nate doesn't deserve title shot coming off a loss either...ferguson has interim title give him next shot. Or mcgregor can fight diaz after he gives up his belt 1st
L Jones this is an everyday occurrence unless you are not smart enough to see JR for the know it all douchebag he is
Joe " what if, what if, what if". 3 minutes later "but were not dealing with an If world" WHAT!?!?!
This was annoying to watch, Joe is just plain wrong here
I agree with Schaub.
true mma fan wants to see the best most entertaining fight possible....f*ck money...a good fight will make money it will spread by word of mouth afterwards. 3rd diaz fight doesn't interest me, wouldn't waste my money or time watching that
GrowingDownUnder I agree. I want to see conor vs tony.
Joe is making no sense
it makes a lot of sense actually...he's saying nate won the 2nd fight against mcgregor which some people think cause it went to decision and that depends on how you scored it. Then rogan is saying in terms of money fight diaz is the best choice, mcgregor can fight diaz after he gives up his belt to ferguson...no biggie
Damn Joe, you need to start smoking pot again !
omg ur right
don't blame the pot geez, it's just a tropical annual herbaceous medicinal plant that has no negative side effects absolutely 0. There is no possible way it can cause you to act in a negative manner only positive...with that said yes he should smoke pot again and but that's just because why not smoke pot
Joe is wrong here. If McGregor went 0-2 against Nate that would have been it, nobody would want to watch a third fight since we the casual fan doesn’t view judging as deeply as Joe.
Think Joe got a little aggressive with Schaub for disagreeing maybe due to sober no weed October.
Virtus1O8 I completely agree
Well someone needs to get aggressive w/ him. Schuab never thinks he's wrong
HapaHarley More like Rogan never thinks he's wrong tbh
Joe Rogan agrees with Brendon on Conor winning the second fight, but what he was trying to explain to Brendon is that the second fight was basically a draw and it was so close it could have gone either way. But make a third and final fight to see who's the better man. Boom. End of story.
Well your wrong cuz Conor lost his last 2 fights and yet his still the biggest draw in ufc his numbers are way bigger then anyone else literally almost every fight of Conor broke the top 10 in ufc ppv
Wow i Agree with Schaub for once?
Reptilian Monk rogan isn’t himself without his weed
Yeah Rogan is so wrong on that one
First time I agreed with Schaub over Joe. Don't know what the hell Joe is talking about. Hard to sell trilogy off 0-2
Both fights are justified. Diaz-Conor are 1-1 and Tony is the Interim champ. Both of them need to happen, who cares which one is first....It will be a great fight either way.
Yeah Joe’s losing touch with the common audience. Or he becomes all disillusioned when he starts talking about Conor. He’s spitting some ridiculous shit here. Bottom line, Conor vs. Diaz does better PPVs, but not that much better, and it’ll always be there. There’s NO reason to do the 3rd Diaz fight right now, other than Conor protecting himself/ufc protecting him. Schuab is right: Conor needs to be next for his career/legacy.
Plus, as Luke Thomas pointed out recently, stop giving a fuck about what does best PPVs. Idgaf. The next fight to watch is Conor/Tony. Conor can do his little Nate BS later.
God damn Joe, please start tokin' again. Schaub is completely logical, so drop that whole "Hey, hold on.."-schtick...
“Takes two to tango...” /Brendan eyes the room lmao
I agree with Shaub. If Nate had one the second Conor fight, there's no way you could make a trilogy.
Joe Rogan lowkey hates McGregor
who doesn't? I been a part of the haters for ages all I see is a left hand that can trash talk...just relies on one punch
GrowingDownUnder “I been a part of the haters for ages” lmao why hate? Trash talking sells fights and that’s why he does it. You can even see him and Nate have a respect for each other. Its business and that’s why he’s making the most money.
nate v conor 2 seem close watching live but go back and rewatch it.. its a clear win for conor
Joey should have been here
I think they are underestimating a McGregor vs Ferguson draw. Is Diaz REALLY a household name? I didn't know who he was until I was a UFC fan. UFC fans are the ones attending and buying the PPV. Diaz is losing relevance while Tony is gaining momentum. If you don't want to see McGregor vs Ferguson, you probably wouldn't attend either event. Fuck Diaz 3, it can wait
rsmithers7878 mmn
Tony keeps that chin way too high. Conor will catch him
Trevor Mulqueen yeah and he can't train differently for Conor's only weapon right? I mean Tony is such a one dimensional fighter and his training is as plain Jane as it gets. Conor wins.
Juan Perez Tony will be slept
Tony keep his chin high against Kevin Lee, if he faces Conor he will (should) not keep that chin high. Kevin does not have the stand-up skill Conor has, Conor won't knock you out with one punch, he will tag you, drop you, tag you and TKO you. Conor can win that fight but I would take Tony
Dougal Fraser much better response, I agree, Tony trained with much more emphasis on Kevin Lee's wrestling which is his strongest weapon, you never train the same for 2 different fighters. Let's just hope the fight is made and we have a hell of a main event.
Trevor Mulqueen Sleep is good
There is no fucking debate, he fights ferguson or drops the belt. Simple.
It fucking wasn't a close fight btw, 3 straight undeniable rounds to connor
won more rounds, landed less strikes...nate landed more = nate won
Schaubs right on this one. Nate and Connor could fight at anytime, so they can wait a few years and still make that. Nate doesn't plan on fighting in the next few years if it isn't against Conor, so obviously the fight to make is Conor/Ferguson. Plus even if Conor loses the trilogy fight, it still makes sense time to do the fight with Nate. If he wins and unifies the titles however, you have a gigantic trilogy super fight for the undisputed 155 belt.
Vote: Tony vs McGregor
Tinman Bigfoot Tracker *Mcgregor vs Tony
Thing is, if Conor fought Tony and lost he still has a huge trilogy fight to fall back on and still generate loads of views. I'm a fan of all these fighters that are being talked about and I think Tony is more than in line for the unified belt.
Tinman Bigfoot Tracker I wanna see the fight but it won't be close. Conor round 1 tko.
Winning does matter, if nate won them both, there would not as much hype for trilogy.
I'd rather see khabib fight conor. Tony will not be able to take conor down no chance in hell. He'll be forced to strike and conor is so far above tony in striking it won't even be a close fight. Khabib on the other hand is great at take downs. He has the best chance at beating conor.
My god joe is unbearable when it comes to Conor. And none of them get to the point that, yes, Diaz is a bigger fight, but not that much bigger. There’s a small enough margin that Conor would look like a fuckin duck if he didn’t take he Ferguson fight. Also, anytime him fighting Ferguson is brought up, Joe quickly skirts around it. The guy is losing touch with what the common audience wants and thinks.
Joe's argument is basically that the fights are the same, but they did not happen. He's making up a world in which something specific happened but it never happened.
Nobody knew who Nate Diaz was in the mainstream media before he fought Conor, then he fought Conor, shit talked, and won and then they knew. The same thing can happen with tony.
Kevin Snow I disagree since Nate is quite chill and cool guy who a lot of people would be drawn to. However, tony is a strange guy who a lot of MMA fans don’t even like outside of the octagon so let alone the mainstream
Joseph Cooper only Conor fans don't like Tony because they know he's a threat that can't be eliminated.
Kevin Snow The casual crowd doesn't know anyone except Conor and whoever Conor fights . Casual fans don't know GSP or Jones . You can argue those are boring . They don't even know Miocic who koes people stiff in the heavyweight division .
Kevin Snow Thank you! Why can't people grasp this. Imagine Tony and Conor at a presser, sheeet, EVERYONE will know who he is. Tony has too much charisma and wildness. Tony would be the new Nate Diaz
Josh Thomsons shin knows Nate Diaz.
The general consensus for Mcgregor vs Diaz 2 was a fairly clear 3-2 decision for Conor. I've seen controversial decisions before and that's not one of them. Emotional investment leads to hyperbole
Come on Duran vs Leonard, really? really?
Conor won first 3 rounds against Diaz 2 easily, look at the damage he has done. Conor wasn't even cut by the end of the fight.
I’m with Brendan on this one. A 1-1 rivalry is a lot easier to sell a third fight on than a 2-0.
It's so funny they say the outside people . Do these guys no how many people in the world is ? 1.7 million buys is the mma world . Just bc we love mma doesn't mean we Wana spend the money or have the money to spend to watch every fighter every weekend. Where the mma world comes together is for stars like Conor . There is a whole lot more than 1.7 million people in us alone , so when it gets over that number that's wen casuals come to play
No way does a Conor Nate 3 sells if Nate is up 2-0. It just wouldn’t be as big of an appeal to fans.
Sure conor/diaz would sell more than tony/conor, but by 10/ 20 %, not exponentially.
Also conor definitely won the second fight, if anything the only controversy was how nate got 2 rounds. Also the rounds were very uneven. Conor was winning rounds by a much larger margin.
Joe rogan , get ur shit together!
quit hugging diaz nuts.
Not only did we not get khabib and tony but we got robbed of what could’ve been prime Conor and prime tony with a little hate mixed in god that would’ve been the best fight ever.
Joe rogan definitely losing the plot,mcgregor dropped nate Diaz 3 times smashed face in,in new ufc rules or boxing that is 10-8 rounds,the fight to make tony ferguson Conor mcgregor at 155,Diaz hasn’t fought since doesn’t deserve another chance,
Conor chills for a few more months and fights pacquiao for another 100ms when possible
Brendan is the only one not being biased 💀
Brendan was 100% in the discussion.
I agree with Brendan.
Joe needs to smoke again he's not thinking clearly lol. The only reason anyone wants to watch Conor vs Nate is because it's the tie breaker it's 1-1 if Nate would have beat him twice the third would not be as interesting.
Sober October is not doing Rogan any justice. He is not making sense...he needs to get back on it!
McGregor won the second fight no question. He dropped Nate... are we not counting knockdowns anymore? Give me a fucking break.
Conor KO's Tony so easy man
Joe Rogan is my guy but he is so wrong here. man oh man. McGregor vs Diaz 2 could not have went either way. I don't even see an argument for a draw led along Nate Diaz actually winning. I don't understand why Joe is talking about the judges' decision because it was a clear win for Conor, we did not need to see the judges' scorecards in order to tell that Conor won that bout but we did see them and the judges got it right. The bout was not nearly as close as everyone claims it to be. Dillashaw vs Cruz was a razor thin contest that was a lot closer than McGregor vs Diaz 2 and the judges happen to get that one right also. I do not register Joe Rogan's argument at all and I usually agree with Joe on almost everything but Brendan Schaub ate him alive here man.
schaub is right. if nate beat him twice in a row, people would not want to see a third one. I don't know why joe is disagreeing with it.
Its sad that these kinds of discussions focus on what is the biggest (money wise) as opposed to the fight that makes the most sense. Before Conor came in to the MMA world, NO ONE ever talked like this. I miss the old days.
The trilogy will be there. Conor needs to fight or vacate the belt. Then cash out on the trilogy with Diaz.
Fuck numbers. You fight the #1 guy. And if you don't you're not the real champ.
Schaub is ABSOLUTELY right here. You can't run back a 0-2 record. In Joe's world if Conor lost the third fight by a close decision they could turn around and run it back for a fourth fight just because it was close. Once a guy solidifies himself as the better fighter you have to let it rest. Like how many times were we gonna watch Rousey-Tate? Eventually it's just over.
Proud of Shwab for sticking up for himself against Joe “Bully” Rogan. And idk why every time Conor/Tony is brought up, Joe skirts the conversation to Diaz, and puts asterisks on it: “For the purists”.
If Conor fights Nate next, the UFC will lose a lot of fans. If belts and rankings don't matter, then nothing does. Conor has to fight either Tony, Woodley, or Holloway if he could make the weight.
Joe sounds stupid arguing Connor can sell a fight when loses twice to the same guy
He shouldn't fight anybody . He is rich and has his health why bother?
the trilogy, when Nate beats the leprechaun for the 3rd time, will sell the most...thats what everyone wants to see and the Diaz legacy deserves!
A 3rd fight could Sell easily. Any fight with Conor will Sell. You know what I'm saying?
UnknownAssassin310 What are you saying? I don't know what you're saying
Do you know what I am saying? -Butters stoch
He is saying "A 3rd fight could Sell easily. Any fight with Conor will Sell." You know?
Could you simplify that for me? It went over my head.
a 3rd fight would sell easily + a fight with conor = conor vs nate 3 = bigggest ppv payday
If you get your ass beat twice who tf wants to see him lose three times ?
It should be Conor vs Tony. But the money fight is C v Nate.
Everybody is completely missing what joe is saying😂
Do the Diaz brothers have some sort of dirt on Rogan or what?
Conor clearly won 3 fucking rounds there is no debate here
Ben Rothwell really did a number on Schaub's brain. It shows in this episode...
Jason Robinson it's funny you say that because Rogan is wrong here.
I think Brendan pays people to hang out with him
Schaub completely on the money with that debate.
I can't believe I am agreeing with Shaub.
I could honestly give a shit about a 3rd fight between Nate and Conor and I only consider myself an average UFC fan. It's about time Conor defends his belt against a legitimate contender in Tony.
Sad that rankings don't mean shit for fights.
I actually agree with Schuab. No way you could sell the public on a third Diaz fight if Conor is 0-2. What Joe ignores is that if Conor had lost that second fight to Diaz, he probably never would have gotten the opportunity to fight Alvarez, and a trilogy with Diaz would have been off the table. It would have to be something like Edgar vs. Penn 3, where they had to wait years for that to be a feasible fight. If you fight a guy for the third time, and you're 0-2 going into that fight, the public just interprets that as "Oh it took you two tries to beat this guy."
Wow, I never agree with Brendan but in this case he's absolutely right. If Nate wins twice, Conor's team wouldn't go for a 3rd. They would have pushed a different guy. Conor is the draw, the opponent doesn't matter as much. Conor Nate would sell the most, but Conor and anybody else would be close enough...
I'm not sure what MMA guy who talks too much made up the 3rd fight with Nate happening. Conor has the title now and Nate is nowhere near a shot at it. They keep suggesting the UFC is going down a crazy route when they haven't done anything yet. Tony is interim and is going to get the title shot. I love Nate but you can't sit on ass and expect to get a title shot.
people are missing what joe was trying to say. he was saying that even if connor lost the 2nd fight, a 3rd fight would still sell more than a connor vs tony. at least i think thats what he was trying to say
which i dont agree with
Nate needs to fight a top 5 fighter before thinking about fighting conor, conor won a belt and fight against one of the greatest boxer, Nate did... nothing.
at 1:24 when brendan turned his head to the side I thought " Bro Theo was right, shaubs head does look like his face is on a thumb lol"
Eddie is a good dude for standing up for his guy Tony
no one gives a crap about Diaz
Shaub has been reading all the comments about him agreeing with everything that comes out of Rogan's mouth.
I never would've thought not smoking weed makes you less intelligent. I guess I was wrong.
Schaub like a teenager on her period in this podcast.. That SoberOctober not just affecting Joe
I gotta agree with Brendan. To the “outside mma fans” of ufc, Conor vs Nate Diaz 3 would not hold as much value if Nate was up 2 and 0 on Conor. Diaz would be a bigger star and Conor’s fame wouldn’t be as high. To the general public it wouldn’t hold as much value. Money wise it’s in the Diaz 3 fight, BUT I want to see Tony vs Conor for Conor’s legacy and for him to defend his belt against the Interim belt holder. It wouldn’t make as much money as the Diaz vs McGregor fight 3 however... Conor should fight Tony next but if UFC wants the money fight it’s McGregor vs Diaz 3.
Tony vs Conor would sell big. Conor vs everyone he fought in the UFC has had record setting PPV numbers. Even Mendes, Nate and Alvarez... and the casuals had no clue who those guys were.
Tony vs Conor would sell better than any UFC fight he's had so far. The concept of the fight itself sells.
Any casual who hears about this will have this thought process:
"Oh Conor's fighting the best UFC lightweight right now, he has the interim belt. He has good chokes and McGregor is weak there... he lost to that Nate guy from a choke. His name's Tony I think. Apparently he's won like 10 or 11 in a row. Let's look him up on RUclips. Oh damn he throws crazy elbows and rolling leg attacks. He dances and has a weird training style. This guy's entertaining. Let's buy this."
Okay, who are the people who buy PPVs? I'd guess that the people who buy them are the fans who listen to podcasts like this, or people who watch UFC regularly. Why would, like Joe and Brendan are assuming, "peripheral fans" buy a PPV? Most PPVs don't have transcendent stars like McGregor, so by their logic, surely no one would be buying those PPVs if PPV buyers are peripheral fans, but clearly there are people buying them. I reckon that there are committed fans that will always buy the PPV regardless of who's fighting, and then some more irregular fans, who maybe can't afford to buy PPV every time but take an above-average interest in the UFC and mma who will buy it when there are reasonably big fights on the card. I don't the UFC should be focusing on peripheral fans, because I don't think that those are the fans that make for big pay per views. I honestly believe that Tony vs Conor would be a bigger sell than Conor vs Nate, because it has more intrigue, Tony's earned the title, and I'd say he's a bigger threat to Conor than Nate is. I don't really care that much about Conor vs Nate, I've seen it twice. Yeah, if it happened again I'd watch it, but I'd be more likely to watch a more legitimate fight in Conor vs Tony. UFC, make the right decision.
[IMO]: Joe is wrong and Brendan (Schaub) is right here. Schaub is not trying to give a hot take, he's simply saying that wins and losses matter in the UFC's decision process of who is to fight who. Joe on the other hand seems to be giving some pseudo-philosophical insight about how numbers/wins and losses, which are very concrete and imperative things to the UFC's operation (I would imagine), are insignificant to selling a fight. That does not make sense to me. All in all, I think Joe needed to tone down his intelligence-driven arrogance for this segment. Schaub is right and his mentality explains why he's been so successful in climbing the UFC-business ladder.
Also, how you gonna be talking shit about Tony when his Jiu Jitsu mentor (Edgy Brah) is right there lol
Easily give the fight to Nate? I'll give Nate 2 rounds but there's no way he wins that fight
Conor better not fight Diaz next. He better get in there and fight Tony. The guy has a 10 fight win streak and he has beat plenty of good guys in that streak. Conor can't have 3 out of his last 4 MMA fights against Diaz. Not to mention Diaz hasn't fought since their last fight. This money bullshit and PPV numbers crap is getting out of control. I want to see champions fight contenders, not all these big money fights. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing super fights here and there, but this is getting ridiculous. They keep trying to put on all of these big cards with 3 title fights on them and great undercards. Other cards then fall flat. They need to sprinkle this shit all over the place, not just 1 big card every couple of months. It's a terrible strategy. Also, Joe was borderline retarded here with his arguments.
If Conor didn't win the rematch, his run would have been over. Kinda crazy, this whole ride, came back from the initial loss, stakes were high vs. Alvarez, and he delivered. Propelled his basis to talk shit to a level where he got a fucking fight with Floyd. Everything happened just so to make way for him becoming potentially the most famous martial artist ever, and worth 100 million dollars.
Rogan really trying to sell that Nate could've won the rematch and it was controversial. But look at the scorecard. All 3 judges went 1,2,4 to Conor and thats how the masses saw it. 1 Ref and all the nate fans or conor haters whatever you want to call them gave it a 10-8 to Nate. Thats as close as it was. At the very best Nate gets a draw. Everyone wants to remember nate throwing 100 punches in the last minute of round 3 but want to forget all the hard shots and leg kicks conor threw in the first few minutes of all rounds. Then its the "if the fight is 30 seconds longer then Nate submits him" excuse but you can say that about 1000 other fights. Facts are: the fight was 25 minutes and nate couldnt submit him in any of those and he was picked apart for 3 of the 5 rounds although 4 was pretty close and mcgregor was the aggressor in those 3 rounds
Joe isn't taking into account the credibility that will be lost if Conor doesn't fight the #1 contender. Even if Nate is more known by casuals, there would be an equally big pushback by hardcore fans if he doesn't fight Tony.
The trilogy against Nate at this stage would be a mockery, core fans would be so upset that it would offset the hype from casuals.
If you want conor to fight nate so much just give up the belt to tony 1st...no biggie
Joe is talking utter shit, to suggest a rubber match is as significant as any other is just nonsense. Conor always looks for the money fights and I think the Diaz fight is deffo the one to make. I reckon, especially after all that boxing training, he sleeps Nate within 2 rounds and makes a TON of cash for it.
Conor should let the UFC take his belt, fight Nate for big money and close the trilogy, let Tony seethe and defend as a champ that no one sees as legit (ask Cormier) and then fight him when Tony is desperate and feeling the pressure.
Anybody Conor Fights will be THE Money fight .im sure Diaz vs Anybody Other than McGregor won't sell 500000 Buys . I like Nate too but just not as Popular as Rogan and these Diaz brothers Fans think they are
Wtf is Schaub talking about? Of course Conor vs. Diaz would sell even if Nate won both fights. Especially with a controversial decision against Conor. Nobody could ask for a second rematch better than Conor McGregor especially when he won the LW belt...
Tony vs Conor will draw half million buys less than Conor vs Nate 3, and Conor has way better odds against Nate, smartest way to match them up would be to have Conor fight Nate and Tony fight Khabib on a fight Night in Russia, get massive views and whoever comes out the winner would be a way bigger draw going into the Conor fight, Tony deserves it though man, 9 wins in 4 years, more than Nate and Khabib combined in the same time frame
Winning and Losing a fight does not matter in this day and age... If you need proof look at Nick Diaz and how many fights he lost since being in the UFC, but is still a major draw.. McGregor could lose 3 in a row and still be the huge mega draw we know him to be. Any fighter who is a big draw will always stay a big draw.
Brendan picks the most random times to try and put his foot down with a bold opinion. You really think you couldn't sell a trilogy fight if Conor was 0-2 against Nate, BUT HAD THE BELT AT 155 that Nate was coming for?
Joe clearly doesnt remember the rematch very well.He was very biased while commentating too.
Schaub is biased as fuck against Nate. I wish Joe had brought up the Tony Hinchcliff Podcast where Nate said Schaub had no business fighting MMA because he never had the heart for it or the argument between Schaub & Nate following the Floyd vs Conor fight that was caught on video.
Man Jeo still thinks Nate is a close star as Conor's second but ducking even if Conor lost to Nate in second, still could sell! Which means Conor is everything to this stupid Conor-Nate triology hype..... Yes, Conor is super star period! And Tony vs Conor .... finish!
The only controversy in McGregor-Diaz 2 was the judge who gave Diaz a 10-8 round resulting in a 47-47 score, but even then all 3 judges gave Conor 3 rounds... people who say Diaz won that fight need to wake the fuck up
Joe is off his rocker right now. Brenden is right. Conor had to win to make the trilogy. And I think everyone would be surprised how many people don't give a fuck about the trilogy, including myself. We saw it twice and it was fun but I actually think conor/tony would sell more.