Audio: liveATC.net Near miss! US Airways A321 vs. Expressjet E145 ATC issues take of clearance while another aircraft is landing on the crossing runway.
The exchange of phone numbers are not to bitch someone out, but to talk about what happened. The controller did issue a takeoff clearance to an aircraft that was departing on a runway that crossed another that had someone landing on it. That would be his error, but it's our responsibility as pilots to see and avoid. No one is perfect but maybe Cactus should've have questioned that?
I'd imagine Cactus 1509 didn't even see the Acey landing. In 2013 Terminal B stuck way out into the line of site between Runway 6 approach end and 33 approach end.
Easy to pin point blame but errors often have more than one cause. Whether systemic, stress induced, lack of training, oversight, staffing, ect... We must never stop learning from errors like this.
+MultiAxian You can find those numbers on charts, they aren't private. Go to the AirNav website and it will list all the phone numbers for the tower, ATIS, operations, etc.
losttownstreet Whatever you say dude, but I'm telling you it isn't like they are having a huge problem with prank callers. Using that logic I guess we should edit out the non-emergency numbers to police and fire departments too.
A little situational awareness by the pilot of the aircraft departing rwy 6 may have helped here also. If you hear a clearance to land on an intersecting runway, you look for that aircraft until you're sure there isn't an issue.
I would welcome someone with professional knowledge of this to give a better explanation, but I think it's a number for the management of the control facility, so errors can be discussed, reports can have various names filled in on both sides, etc. It's often given to pilots who screw up badly.
Carl Moore they ask for the phone numbers so they dont clog the frequencies talking about what happened. Just a way to keep the chatter down so atc can focus on incoming/outgoing traffic
Just like ATCs give pilots the number to call to chew them on their mistakes, the same way now pilots or their company representatives will call to chew the ATCs.
+Michał Garapich Probably not (I'm an FAA controller although not at BDL). Usually for an operational error (as we call these things) the controller is decertified from the position and has to go through retraining. If they've had multiple errors in a short time they can be fired, but usually they'll be sent to a less-busy facility. Most controllers go their entire 25 year career without any errors, or maybe 1 at most.
The exchange of phone numbers are not to bitch someone out, but to talk about what happened. The controller did issue a takeoff clearance to an aircraft that was departing on a runway that crossed another that had someone landing on it. That would be his error, but it's our responsibility as pilots to see and avoid. No one is perfect but maybe Cactus should've have questioned that?
I'd imagine Cactus 1509 didn't even see the Acey landing. In 2013 Terminal B stuck way out into the line of site between Runway 6 approach end and 33 approach end.
Easy to pin point blame but errors often have more than one cause. Whether systemic, stress induced, lack of training, oversight, staffing, ect... We must never stop learning from errors like this.
Human makes mistake,don’t blame people but we need to learn from it
the controller made a grave mistake, and it was too late when he realized. That's how accident happens.
you should probably edit out the phone number in future videos.
+MultiAxian You can find those numbers on charts, they aren't private. Go to the AirNav website and it will list all the phone numbers for the tower, ATIS, operations, etc.
losttownstreet Whatever you say dude, but I'm telling you it isn't like they are having a huge problem with prank callers. Using that logic I guess we should edit out the non-emergency numbers to police and fire departments too.
Public phone numbers no harm done.
I am air coms challenged. What happened in this case is a runway incursion buy one take it off and one landing
A little situational awareness by the pilot of the aircraft departing rwy 6 may have helped here also. If you hear a clearance to land on an intersecting runway, you look for that aircraft until you're sure there isn't an issue.
I am a pilot, so yeah...I guess by definition I *am* an expert.
He wouldn't have been able to see it until very near the intersection of the runways.
Can anyone please explain what is up with the phone numbers at the end? Why did the pilots ask for them?
Doggfair They wanted to bitch out the controllers and say "WTF? You almost killed us" and of course they wanted to file a report against them.
I would welcome someone with professional knowledge of this to give a better explanation, but I think it's a number for the management of the control facility, so errors can be discussed, reports can have various names filled in on both sides, etc. It's often given to pilots who screw up badly.
Carl Moore they ask for the phone numbers so they dont clog the frequencies talking about what happened. Just a way to keep the chatter down so atc can focus on incoming/outgoing traffic
Just like ATCs give pilots the number to call to chew them on their mistakes, the same way now pilots or their company representatives will call to chew the ATCs.
Oops!
Did that ATC got fired?
Michał Garapich Suspended 18 months.
MCOSpotting HD What's your source?
+Michał Garapich Probably not (I'm an FAA controller although not at BDL). Usually for an operational error (as we call these things) the controller is decertified from the position and has to go through retraining. If they've had multiple errors in a short time they can be fired, but usually they'll be sent to a less-busy facility. Most controllers go their entire 25 year career without any errors, or maybe 1 at most.
*get. Not got.