I always liked Chakotay and felt they did him (and Harry Kim) a disservice. Kim should have been promoted at least to Lt. and Chakotay should have had a lot more compelling stories.
One thing I always liked about Chakotay was that, despite his genuine respect for Janeway and basically rejoining Starfleet by coming on board of Voyager, he still had genuine doubts about Starfleet protocols and rules, that originally pushed to join Maquis in the first place. At several points during the series, you can tell that he followed Janeway's orders almost without question, but he did show he had huge reservations about alot of them.
Maybe it’s because he isn’t Harry!Prime after that quantum duplicate episode with the Vidians.. might be some obscure Starfleet regulation about not promoting doubles beyond the original 😉
Chakotay didn't teach at the academy, the instructor who left was Tuvoc. Tuvoc taught at the academy, for fifteen years, and Janeway sent him on an undercover assignment to infiltrate Chakotay's crew.
Same. I think its because they never really did anything with it. He doesn't describe his personal ancestry, he has no decoration or personal effects. No different lifestyle. Cherokee have different traditions from Navajo, Crow, Shawnee, and so on. There are no traditions that we see, nothing on the Holodeck. He could have easily played something out on the holodeck, creating a life for himself within a tribe. It could have played a part in his decision to work on the maquis, it could have played any part. IT was just relegated to a tattoo. Or even better, don't give him a tribe, and allow him to to figure out his spirituality and identity on his own, adapting to life away from his native planet.
I’ve always referred to him as ‘Mayincaztecan’ because so much of the symbology associated with him is mixed and blended. And my references to Mayan, Incan, and Aztecan cultural notes don’t even account for the South-West USA inclusions visible with his dream quests and some of the blankets and art in his quarters. He’s a very 90s ‘this guy is native’ kind of character without much grounding in reality. (care of an over-analytical cultural anthropologist and lifelong Trekkie).
Referring to a Lieutenant Commander as Commander or a Lieutenant(Junior Grade) as Lieutenant in less formal situations is common in real world militaries as well.
The guidance I was given when I was in uniform was that you only applied the modifier for introductions, to disambiguate, or for especially formal situations. Otherwise simplifying the rank is both allowed, and encouraged for efficiency.
I got to meet Robert Beltren when I was ten years old on the set, at the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant where they filmed the episode In The Flesh. I kick myself now because i was offered a sign autograph by Robert Beltren and being ten I didn't understand what was happening other then they all were Starfleet and i thought they where real (not actors) so I was intimidated.
Chakotay has always been my favorite charakter and I still think it's a shame he was kind of ignored by the script writers as the series proceeded. I've once met Robert Beltran and he is a very funny guy, him being a stage actor is so visible.
I always click on "X things you never knew about Star Trek" videos... and only Trek Culture ever gives me information I actually never knew. Nice job again!
I enjoyed his airtime with the show. We have been watching the series starting from episode one, I'm on the second season now. Stuff is getting really good.
Excellent audio editing at 5:34 - I never would have noticed, I just happened to be looking at Sean at that moment - the vol, eq, echo matches the original perfectly
When introducing a lieutenant commander their full rank should always be used; however, in general conversation they are usually called "commander" even though they are not a "full" commander (which is one rank higher). Never use just "lieutenant" because it is one rank lower.
purely depends on rank and the short hand that military uses. being within a ship he could easily be called the XO (2nd in command) but he's never referred to that way because its not the starfleet way. B'elanna Torres is the best example she's called chief because she holds the job chief engineer but really she's a lieutenant junior grade, this is their rank "slang" that starfleet has adopted and B'elanna or even scotty (a lieutenant commander) would never be introduced by their rank they will be introduced by the position they hold, chief engineer.
It's even a standard on TNG. Data was a Lt. Commander and often addressed as just Commander Data. The notable thing with here, for me, was just the provisional rank bar.
As opposed to Uhura, it seems like he’d be the successor to Walking Bear. You could argue this was Russell Bates’ writing influence finally making it to live action.
#7: I have a feeling that if they had named him as Chakotay in the TNG episode, it would have fallen to the same fate as Robert Duncan McNeil's character in TNG and have to change the name for Voyager to avoid royalties.
Journey's End has another much more obvious connection with Chakotay. In that episode, Richard Poe appeared as Gul Evek. As we all know, Gul Evek appeared in the very first episode of Voyager, pursuing Maquis ship captained by Chakotay.
Chakotay was a very fine character to develop as the series kept on progressing (despite not being the strongest or smartest, he was very likeable from the start), but the writers continually let that potential go. What a shame. BTW I think they were freakin' lucky to have had Robert Beltran portray the character, otherwise Chakotay might have been a bummer.
He was even more useless than Riker. At least Riker fought the Borg. What did Chakotay do? Nothing. The guy had a Starfleet security officer and a Cardassian Obsidian Order agent in his Maquis cell and never even suspected either one. Even though he even slept with the Carassian. What a moron.
Being a native I was always happy to see Chakotay on Voyager. Loved his character. Especially when he socked his old crewman and said it's the Maquis way XD
But that is pretty obvious and I think even discussed on screen during the early episodes. That way you can tell them apart. And B'Elana keeps hers till the end, as well.
HOW?! This is really interesting to me because it was the first thing I noticed. Also how the hell do you watch VOY (that's what I call Voyager to save time 😉) without knowing who is Maquis and who is OG Starfleet.
Regarding rank in Star Trek: It is tradition in the US Navy to refer to address fellow officers as "Ensign," "Lieutenant," and "Commander." Also, communication brevity is valued in the Navy. If Commander Chakotay were ever to be addressed as "Lieutenant Commander," it would be by Captain Janeway and only if he were in SERIOUS TROUBLE .. or getting promoted .. or being buried .. which are similar to being in trouble.
"it was decided that a character, who would have a native American ancestry would play a large role." attractive blonde actress comes along Chakotay: "a-koo-che-moya"
it's pretty common in the US Military to abbreviate rank names in less-than-formal conversation. In most cases, you wouldn't make a distinction between a First Lieutenant and a Second Lieutenant, nor between a Sergeant and a Staff Sergeant. You might occasionally see a Private First Class referred to as "PFC [Whoever]" but equally likely to see them referred to as simply Private. In fact, the reason we have the phrase "Full Bird Colonel" is because referring to a Lieutenant Colonel as simply Colonel is so common, people felt a need to emphasize the higher rank. My experience is in the Army, not the Navy, but I imagine the same holds true. Sincerely (former) Specialist (Full Bird Private) RL Dodson.
Actually, in the U.S. Marine Corps, you never call any SNCO (Staff Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, etc) a Sergeant. You would be immediately and violently corrected.
Regarding his rank, there's enough evidence in the series to make it clear that his rank was intended to be a full Commander. The Lt. Commander rank insignia was apparently a costume error they never bothered to fix.
Star Trek's #1 problem is continuity. But that's all explained in the TNG episode "Parallels," when the ENTERPRISE receives over 250,000 hails from other ENTERPRISES. In my view, Chakotay was an invaluable rock for Janeway, even when they didn't agree.
Mixed feelings on that one. On the one hand, I TOTALLY ship the couple because Mulgrew and Beltran had such amazing chemistry. On the other, I fully agree with the assertion that Captain Janeway couldn't be fraternizing with her subordinates. The TNG episode "Lessons" explains why this was a wise decision on her part.
The relationship would have certainly complicated things especially when there was a disagreement, like in Equinox. But it could have been more moments for Robert to shine. I imagine him beseeching her as a lover, not a first officer, not to threaten Lessing's life.
I agree with you. I know previous comments are somehow true but complicated relations are entertaining and there was a permeating sexual tension between those two characters. Practicality, correctness or professional wasn't an issue stranded light years from home and the two characters chemistry.
@@LordWhatever They should have dumped the stupid C/7 pairing and instead had at least one episode set after Voyager gets home, allowing for some hot J/C action.
It's naval tradition to refer to an officer as the "higher" rank unless it's something formal (award ceremony or court martial, etc.). My DIVO (division officer) was a Lt.JG and my Dept. Head was a Lt.CMD, they were called LT and CMD.
The Chakotay Seven romance was totally out of left field. I mean They broadcast for years that Harry was smitten, and I could understand deflating him at the end and having him grow through it, but there is zero chemistry or character history to telegraph that Seven and Chakotay even think about each other actively.
8:50 This is common in the military. For example, a Lieutenant Colonel would be address as Colonel Surname, and a Private Second Class as a Private, etc.
I am glad Robert Beltran is back with ST. I hope he actually gets quality storyline in Prodigy. Hints of a Janeway/Chakoyay romance would be appreciated.
In the USAF we addressed both Second or First Lieutenant as Lieutenant except in the most formal locations. Same goes for Lt. Colonel and a full bird Colonel..
Creo que Robert estaba a gusto con su rol. En entrevistas mencionaba siempre que él consideraba que la Flota Estelar estaba gestionada por oficiales "políticos", cobardes y mediocres, por lo que estaba en contra de esos ideales. Por ejemplo: la Directiva Primaria de no interceder en civilizaciones pre-warp cuando la participación y colaboración de la tripulación de la Voyager podía favorecer un beneficioso destino para dichas culturas alienígenas. Saludos.
ST:TNG Season Seven actually rakes place in the year 2370, with Season One having taken place in 2364. So, Chakotay’s resignation adds up in Preemptive Strike. Voyager never upheld continuity… like the DS9/VOY uniforms being shown on a ship that was inserted into The Battle at Wolf 359
Is chakotay his first name or last name? Sometimes they refer to him as Mr chakotay which would mean he has to have a first name right? Not to mention Mr Tuvok and Mr Nelix are these their first names?
Chakotay may only have/use a single name, similar to Klingons. Spock mentions in TOS that he does in fact have a last name but it's unpronounceable by humans so the same might apply to Tuvok with Tuvok being his given name. Neelix may also only have one name, a family name was never mentioned but Neelix is certainly his first name. The mistake here is assuming all cultures must use two names.
He's referred to as Commander, which is appropriate for a Lt Cmdr and a full Commander. Also, he's Operations Officer/Ship XO; the position adds a certain degree to the rank.
the rank naming thing is from the navy. lt cmdr is cmdr, ltjg is lt, petty officer third through first class are just petty officers. the only exceptions youll see are chief petty officer and above with senior chief petty officer being cut to senior and master chief petty officer to master chief.
If you want a wonderful look into his past beta canon, I would strongly recommend the Spirit Walk Books. won't give spoilers, but there is a species from deep space nine in them as well so a little bit crossover
Sean Ferrick PLEASE do a segment on how many Maquis member have been seen on the Voyager ship. I would love to know. The Marquis ship that crashed into the Kazon ship looked like it held 10 LOL. There's been loads ! PS how do i message Sean about this
2nd and 1st lieutenants are both referred to as lieutenant. Lieutenant Colonels are referred to as Colonel. It’s just the way the military is. Generals are all called general. Unless there’s a reason to clarify the rank.
For someone who really hated being on the Voyager series, I’m surprised. He hated that they brought Jeri Ryan in and flaunted her around for her “assets” to boost the poor ratings and thankfully for him, kept him in a job for that much longer.
I agree, I feel he should have been promoted along the way. Hey Tom Paris lost his Lt rank by disobeying Janeway and being thrown into the brig but regained it back after only a year if I am not mistaken which doesn't make sense. I guess Janeway preferred Tom Paris more then Harry Kim.
Dirty little secret about hollywood: Actors only have to look the part, they're not actually the people they play on TV. That said, Beltran is ethnically mexican, which is mostly native with some spanish mixed in.
At around 11:45 you say Garrett Wang and Jennifer Lien were both facing the axe. Garrett strongly denies this. He says he has no idea why the rumor persists.
Would be interesting if he showed up in the season of Picard, I mean this final season is pretty much popping up everywhere. I mean Voyager did in the last episode 🤣🤣
Another thing you didn't know about Chakotay: Robert Beltran starred opposite Chuck Norris as a Texas DPS trooper in "Lone Wolf McQuade" 20 years earlier - and he doesn't look like he's aged a day in between!
Okay chekotays rank strip is two gold dash with one black dash. Pipped two gold one black is lieutenant commander not commander. So when tuvok was promoted later didn't that make tuvok a higher ranked officer
Well, technically, Chakotay served as father figure to Harry and, highely reluctantly, to Tom Paris. And that is shown in many episodes. You could count that as being kind of a mentor to both of them.
Robert Beltran was actually unhappy with the show and wanted to leave it at several points, even going as far as to ask to be killed off permanently. Similar thing happened to Harry Kim. However, they changed their minds eventually and producers had Kes removed from the show instead.
I love the scene where Chakotay punches the Maquis guy after guy said he wants to do things "The Maquis Way" from now on.
Exactly, because that IS the Maquis way.
Agreed, great scene!
He had to show them an example. And that was a season 2 episode 1 scene.
He should have needed to hit him again and again for a few days before he got the hint
I always liked Chakotay and felt they did him (and Harry Kim) a disservice. Kim should have been promoted at least to Lt. and Chakotay should have had a lot more compelling stories.
Voyager was just more about female leads (janeway,7of9 later on) as oposed to other trek shows at the time who had mostly male lead stars.
It doesn't hurt that he was played by a terrible actor. Can't do much with the character when the actor isn't good enough to play the base character.
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 i am going through a rewatch and I feel he was a 3D character played by a 1D actor.
@@dand6119 I never cared for the character himself a tremendous amount, but I definitely do feel like it was made worse by Beltan's acting.
Yeah 7 years and not getting a default butter bar rank is fucked up lol.
One thing I always liked about Chakotay was that, despite his genuine respect for Janeway and basically rejoining Starfleet by coming on board of Voyager, he still had genuine doubts about Starfleet protocols and rules, that originally pushed to join Maquis in the first place. At several points during the series, you can tell that he followed Janeway's orders almost without question, but he did show he had huge reservations about alot of them.
I always felt Chakotay was an underrated character. He had so much potential!
You are so right, friend!
The writers didn't know what to do with him IMO...
The actor was great, but the writing was horrid
@@triaxe-mmb Yes! I couldn't agree more!
@@tonyah.960 🖖🏻👨🏻🦲👍🏻 Thank you!
This is an extremely repeated comment. Almost no focus was given to him except as a token character.
I never knew why Harry remained an ensign. He showed over and over again his value to that crew
If he would have done something in an early episode to get a write-up, that would explain it. Weird they never did that.
@@525Lines What could be worse than what Tom had done to loose rank? Tom overcame the setbacks.
Maybe it’s because he isn’t Harry!Prime after that quantum duplicate episode with the Vidians.. might be some obscure Starfleet regulation about not promoting doubles beyond the original 😉
Harry was doing Janeway impressions behind her back, but she found out. It's no wonder why he never got promoted.
Well, there were only a hundred some odd people on the ship...somebody had to remain an Ensign😂😂
Chakotay knew Meditation, Spirituality, Vision Quests, Animal Guides, and Lucid Dreaming. I always admired him. He was a great character.
your spirit animal is helmans mayo
The 1 thing we all know about Chakotay: Voyager underutilized him as the show went on.
Him, Kes, and Harry. Those characters developed more in the "Before and After" timeline than they did in the actual series!
He was outspoken about this fact and they twisted the screws on his character and minimalized in his role.
Yes I’d agree but I never felt like chakotay was particularly bad either. He was always at least a nice likeable presence
Dam bumbulclot right
Great, but I still feel I learned nothing much here!!
Chakotay didn't teach at the academy, the instructor who left was Tuvoc. Tuvoc taught at the academy, for fifteen years, and Janeway sent him on an undercover assignment to infiltrate Chakotay's crew.
Yeah, I always thought this was Tuvok
Chakotay taught tactics at the Academy and resigned to join the Maquis, Tuvok also taught at the Academy
The writers say it was meant to he chakotay
When I watched Voyager as a kid Chakotay's heritage always felt a bit sketchy, now I know why.
I'm glad more people are finding about Jake the fraud.
Same. I think its because they never really did anything with it. He doesn't describe his personal ancestry, he has no decoration or personal effects. No different lifestyle. Cherokee have different traditions from Navajo, Crow, Shawnee, and so on. There are no traditions that we see, nothing on the Holodeck.
He could have easily played something out on the holodeck, creating a life for himself within a tribe. It could have played a part in his decision to work on the maquis, it could have played any part. IT was just relegated to a tattoo.
Or even better, don't give him a tribe, and allow him to to figure out his spirituality and identity on his own, adapting to life away from his native planet.
I’ve always referred to him as ‘Mayincaztecan’ because so much of the symbology associated with him is mixed and blended. And my references to Mayan, Incan, and Aztecan cultural notes don’t even account for the South-West USA inclusions visible with his dream quests and some of the blankets and art in his quarters. He’s a very 90s ‘this guy is native’ kind of character without much grounding in reality.
(care of an over-analytical cultural anthropologist and lifelong Trekkie).
Referring to a Lieutenant Commander as Commander or a Lieutenant(Junior Grade) as Lieutenant in less formal situations is common in real world militaries as well.
About to say the same thing.
The guidance I was given when I was in uniform was that you only applied the modifier for introductions, to disambiguate, or for especially formal situations. Otherwise simplifying the rank is both allowed, and encouraged for efficiency.
@@NMiller_ I was given the same guidance.
I was going to bring this up as well.
Precisely.
I got to meet Robert Beltren when I was ten years old on the set, at the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant where they filmed the episode In The Flesh. I kick myself now because i was offered a sign autograph by Robert Beltren and being ten I didn't understand what was happening other then they all were Starfleet and i thought they where real (not actors) so I was intimidated.
He naturally looks very intimidating
@@samgray49 I look at Beltran and see "The Nicest Guy in the room" he just looks like the friendliest person on the planet
Man, I know that feeling.
Chakotay has always been my favorite charakter and I still think it's a shame he was kind of ignored by the script writers as the series proceeded.
I've once met Robert Beltran and he is a very funny guy, him being a stage actor is so visible.
I always click on "X things you never knew about Star Trek" videos... and only Trek Culture ever gives me information I actually never knew. Nice job again!
I enjoyed his airtime with the show. We have been watching the series starting from episode one, I'm on the second season now. Stuff is getting really good.
Excellent audio editing at 5:34 - I never would have noticed, I just happened to be looking at Sean at that moment - the vol, eq, echo matches the original perfectly
When introducing a lieutenant commander their full rank should always be used; however, in general conversation they are usually called "commander" even though they are not a "full" commander (which is one rank higher). Never use just "lieutenant" because it is one rank lower.
@@OldManYellsAtClouds He didn't merely repeat it. He gave details that help support and explain it.
purely depends on rank and the short hand that military uses. being within a ship he could easily be called the XO (2nd in command) but he's never referred to that way because its not the starfleet way. B'elanna Torres is the best example she's called chief because she holds the job chief engineer but really she's a lieutenant junior grade, this is their rank "slang" that starfleet has adopted and B'elanna or even scotty (a lieutenant commander) would never be introduced by their rank they will be introduced by the position they hold, chief engineer.
It's even a standard on TNG. Data was a Lt. Commander and often addressed as just Commander Data. The notable thing with here, for me, was just the provisional rank bar.
@@Eric-ch6gq and Worf was a j.g. Lieutenant throughout TNG, but was always just called "Lieutenant".
@@vic5015 as was Geordi. In S1, he was Lieutenant JG, referred to as "Lieutenant"; and in S3 became Lieutenant Commander, referred to as Commander.
Thank you for covering the relationship between 7 & Chakotay! Now it makes sense 😀
Lieutenant commander is referred to as commander in the NAVY as well
As opposed to Uhura, it seems like he’d be the successor to Walking Bear. You could argue this was Russell Bates’ writing influence finally making it to live action.
I’m glad to see him back in Star Trek.
That bit about the Merrimack is a deep cut, ain't it? I love finding out little stuff like that.
#7: I have a feeling that if they had named him as Chakotay in the TNG episode, it would have fallen to the same fate as Robert Duncan McNeil's character in TNG and have to change the name for Voyager to avoid royalties.
That still severely disappoints me. A missed opportunity.
This really reframes Chakotay and makes me want to watch those episodes again. 🥰
Journey's End has another much more obvious connection with Chakotay. In that episode, Richard Poe appeared as Gul Evek. As we all know, Gul Evek appeared in the very first episode of Voyager, pursuing Maquis ship captained by Chakotay.
Chakotay was a very fine character to develop as the series kept on progressing (despite not being the strongest or smartest, he was very likeable from the start), but the writers continually let that potential go. What a shame.
BTW I think they were freakin' lucky to have had Robert Beltran portray the character, otherwise Chakotay might have been a bummer.
True on all accounts
They should’ve used him more as a mentor character to leverage those strengths and deal with crew issues.
I certainly agree with this sentiment. As first officer he was not used as much as others in this role in all the Star Trek series. Shame.
@@lizzyeverett9603 Indeed, indeed 🙂
@@lizzyeverett9603he was bland
Always loved chakotay. I went as him for Halloween when I was a little kid
Chakotay is the best 1. Offizer in my opinion. Love to see him given some love back from Star Trek
Riker all the way !
He was even more useless than Riker. At least Riker fought the Borg. What did Chakotay do? Nothing. The guy had a Starfleet security officer and a Cardassian Obsidian Order agent in his Maquis cell and never even suspected either one. Even though he even slept with the Carassian. What a moron.
Being a native I was always happy to see Chakotay on Voyager. Loved his character.
Especially when he socked his old crewman and said it's the Maquis way XD
I’m looking forward to Chakotay’s potential being realized! Or at least giving him something to do haha
This is pretty well researched. Good job.
I never even noticed the Starfleet crew and Maquis crew had different rank insignia.
But that is pretty obvious and I think even discussed on screen during the early episodes. That way you can tell them apart. And B'Elana keeps hers till the end, as well.
HOW?! This is really interesting to me because it was the first thing I noticed.
Also how the hell do you watch VOY (that's what I call Voyager to save time 😉) without knowing who is Maquis and who is OG Starfleet.
Chakotay was always true and faithful to Janeway but she never really returned that loyalty, instead relying on Tuvok instead
She was also an unhinged psychopath that should have been thrown out of an airlock.
I always felt Chakotay was an over underrated character. He had so much potential!
You literally just copied and pasted the top comment, except adding "over"
Regarding rank in Star Trek: It is tradition in the US Navy to refer to address fellow officers as "Ensign," "Lieutenant," and "Commander." Also, communication brevity is valued in the Navy. If Commander Chakotay were ever to be addressed as "Lieutenant Commander," it would be by Captain Janeway and only if he were in SERIOUS TROUBLE .. or getting promoted .. or being buried .. which are similar to being in trouble.
They also never went back to Janeway and her spirit guide, I thought it was a great idea.
Thank you ! I appreciate!
Live long and prosper ⭐️
5:35 I almost missed your edit. Good job
"it was decided that a character, who would have a native American ancestry would play a large role."
attractive blonde actress comes along
Chakotay: "a-koo-che-moya"
it's pretty common in the US Military to abbreviate rank names in less-than-formal conversation. In most cases, you wouldn't make a distinction between a First Lieutenant and a Second Lieutenant, nor between a Sergeant and a Staff Sergeant. You might occasionally see a Private First Class referred to as "PFC [Whoever]" but equally likely to see them referred to as simply Private. In fact, the reason we have the phrase "Full Bird Colonel" is because referring to a Lieutenant Colonel as simply Colonel is so common, people felt a need to emphasize the higher rank. My experience is in the Army, not the Navy, but I imagine the same holds true. Sincerely (former) Specialist (Full Bird Private) RL Dodson.
Actually, in the U.S. Marine Corps, you never call any SNCO (Staff Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, etc) a Sergeant. You would be immediately and violently corrected.
He was perhaps my favourite character in Voyager.
ROBERT himself felt like the character wasn't written as good as he could have been.
What is as good as it can be?
It's true though.
He is correct
Archeology - solid vid as always
It’s like in de Dutch military, when you talk to a sergeant-major, you call him major. Or a lieutenant-colonel, you call colonel
You are so good trekculture people!
Regarding his rank, there's enough evidence in the series to make it clear that his rank was intended to be a full Commander. The Lt. Commander rank insignia was apparently a costume error they never bothered to fix.
I agree. Coz even in the credits it’s a Full Commander unlike tuvok, who is listed as a Lt. Cmr
Not to mention that star fleet uses naval ranking convention, and typically the XO of a large vessel is at least a commander.
@@jdaddyrizzoVoyager isn't a large vessel though. Also: Cavit, the original XO, was Lt. cmmdr.
Will Chakotay be a starfleet captain like in the books. That would be awesome.
They FINALLY made him a Captain in the New PRODIGY series...but he has yet to make an appearance.
Star Trek's #1 problem is continuity. But that's all explained in the TNG episode "Parallels," when the ENTERPRISE receives over 250,000 hails from other ENTERPRISES. In my view, Chakotay was an invaluable rock for Janeway, even when they didn't agree.
It was because they didn't agree that she needed him, and she said so on a few occasions. That's why she relied on him so much.
I don't care Prodigy is for kids, I will watch it just for Beltran's and Mulgrew's performance alone.
The dropped love story between Janeway and Chakotay is a bummer. Hopefully they renew that on the new show.
Mixed feelings on that one. On the one hand, I TOTALLY ship the couple because Mulgrew and Beltran had such amazing chemistry. On the other, I fully agree with the assertion that Captain Janeway couldn't be fraternizing with her subordinates. The TNG episode "Lessons" explains why this was a wise decision on her part.
The relationship would have certainly complicated things especially when there was a disagreement, like in Equinox. But it could have been more moments for Robert to shine. I imagine him beseeching her as a lover, not a first officer, not to threaten Lessing's life.
I agree with you. I know previous comments are somehow true but complicated relations are entertaining and there was a permeating sexual tension between those two characters. Practicality, correctness or professional wasn't an issue stranded light years from home and the two characters chemistry.
@@LordWhatever They should have dumped the stupid C/7 pairing and instead had at least one episode set after Voyager gets home, allowing for some hot J/C action.
Having heard why, it was the best decision. Would have been way too much gossip.
It's naval tradition to refer to an officer as the "higher" rank unless it's something formal (award ceremony or court martial, etc.). My DIVO (division officer) was a Lt.JG and my Dept. Head was a Lt.CMD, they were called LT and CMD.
The Chakotay Seven romance was totally out of left field. I mean They broadcast for years that Harry was smitten, and I could understand deflating him at the end and having him grow through it, but there is zero chemistry or character history to telegraph that Seven and Chakotay even think about each other actively.
8:50 This is common in the military. For example, a Lieutenant Colonel would be address as Colonel Surname, and a Private Second Class as a Private, etc.
I am glad Robert Beltran is back with ST. I hope he actually gets quality storyline in Prodigy. Hints of a Janeway/Chakoyay romance would be appreciated.
no! They were nothing alike. Terrible combination.
In the USAF we addressed both Second or First Lieutenant as Lieutenant except in the most formal locations. Same goes for Lt. Colonel and a full bird Colonel..
Robert even said to have hated his character. He was gone, but like many others, their flavour was dulled.
Creo que Robert estaba a gusto con su rol. En entrevistas mencionaba siempre que él consideraba que la Flota Estelar estaba gestionada por oficiales "políticos", cobardes y mediocres, por lo que estaba en contra de esos ideales. Por ejemplo: la Directiva Primaria de no interceder en civilizaciones pre-warp cuando la participación y colaboración de la tripulación de la Voyager podía favorecer un beneficioso destino para dichas culturas alienígenas. Saludos.
ST:TNG Season Seven actually rakes place in the year 2370, with Season One having taken place in 2364. So, Chakotay’s resignation adds up in Preemptive Strike. Voyager never upheld continuity… like the DS9/VOY uniforms being shown on a ship that was inserted into The Battle at Wolf 359
Before this, all I knew about him was he hid food and drinks throughout Voyager and liked to cook.
personally i think that Tom Paris made a better mentor for our poor 'Forever Ensign' Harry Kim
I always felt like Tom and Harry were always a team and had synergy. Tom was the lead, Harry was the sidekick.
Is chakotay his first name or last name? Sometimes they refer to him as Mr chakotay which would mean he has to have a first name right?
Not to mention Mr Tuvok and Mr Nelix are these their first names?
Chakotay may only have/use a single name, similar to Klingons. Spock mentions in TOS that he does in fact have a last name but it's unpronounceable by humans so the same might apply to Tuvok with Tuvok being his given name. Neelix may also only have one name, a family name was never mentioned but Neelix is certainly his first name.
The mistake here is assuming all cultures must use two names.
@@Vipre- well Nelix I understand but humans and vulcans have first and last names.
@@Soul-cry1 Not all humans. The practice is relatively recent even for those that do.
Singular names seems common with Vulcans. Spock, Sarrac, T'Pol.
He's referred to as Commander, which is appropriate for a Lt Cmdr and a full Commander. Also, he's Operations Officer/Ship XO; the position adds a certain degree to the rank.
I have always wondered about his command pips
the rank naming thing is from the navy. lt cmdr is cmdr, ltjg is lt, petty officer third through first class are just petty officers. the only exceptions youll see are chief petty officer and above with senior chief petty officer being cut to senior and master chief petty officer to master chief.
Chakotay and Janeway were great together.
If you want a wonderful look into his past beta canon, I would strongly recommend the Spirit Walk Books. won't give spoilers, but there is a species from deep space nine in them as well so a little bit crossover
I’m disappointed that they didn’t utilize the Chakotay better. Robert Beltran is a good actor and offered so much more than they use.
every time I watch a Whatculture video I realize why it is a long time between viewings
Sean Ferrick PLEASE do a segment on how many Maquis member have been seen on the Voyager ship. I would love to know. The Marquis ship that crashed into the Kazon ship looked like it held 10 LOL. There's been loads ! PS how do i message Sean about this
2nd and 1st lieutenants are both referred to as lieutenant. Lieutenant Colonels are referred to as Colonel. It’s just the way the military is. Generals are all called general. Unless there’s a reason to clarify the rank.
Good dub on the 2370 :)
Chakotay’s also ridiculously handsome, but we all knew that :)
When he smiles at Katherine...oh my.
I like how that sad jab is the go-to shot
Really like this video what a great looking chakotay second favorite character after neelix don't care what the haters say
Thanks Sean, was interesting,
It’s no secret to anyone in the military, you always refer to someone by the “higher “rank.
For someone who really hated being on the Voyager series, I’m surprised. He hated that they brought Jeri Ryan in and flaunted her around for her “assets” to boost the poor ratings and thankfully for him, kept him in a job for that much longer.
And what also was a shame was Harry Kim remained an ensign the whole time!
I agree, I feel he should have been promoted along the way. Hey Tom Paris lost his Lt rank by disobeying Janeway and being thrown into the brig but regained it back after only a year if I am not mistaken which doesn't make sense. I guess Janeway preferred Tom Paris more then Harry Kim.
Great content
No idea that Lieutenant Ro's instructor was supposed to be Chakotay.
Nooo, really...
Tom and Harry will always be the dream team.
The way Voyager was set up,Chakotay was the only one of the main characters who couldn’t be replaced. He held the balance of power.
Great video. Nice over dub
So, it was mentioned about the one guy not really being Native American but isn't Robert Beltran hispanic and not Native American either?
Dirty little secret about hollywood: Actors only have to look the part, they're not actually the people they play on TV.
That said, Beltran is ethnically mexican, which is mostly native with some spanish mixed in.
And what about his ceramic bell collection?
I love Chakotay and I hope we will see more in Prodigy Season 2 and maybe Picard Season 3 .. soo also Janeway :c
At around 11:45 you say Garrett Wang and Jennifer Lien were both facing the axe. Garrett strongly denies this. He says he has no idea why the rumor persists.
I think Chakotay was my favorite Star Trek character.
my favourite Star Trek character
He is my favorite character, and the show didn't do him justice in the end.
Would be interesting if he showed up in the season of Picard, I mean this final season is pretty much popping up everywhere. I mean Voyager did in the last episode 🤣🤣
What is/are this "character Bible" you're refearing?
What was chakotay first name? Or was it just chakotay
Chakotay is my favorite character.
Another thing you didn't know about Chakotay: Robert Beltran starred opposite Chuck Norris as a Texas DPS trooper in "Lone Wolf McQuade" 20 years earlier - and he doesn't look like he's aged a day in between!
Chakotay had a horse when he was younger, but I can't recall the name
He had A Horse With No Name
America told us about that horse.
I had forgot that Picard had checkboxed Seven
Okay chekotays rank strip is two gold dash with one black dash. Pipped two gold one black is lieutenant commander not commander. So when tuvok was promoted later didn't that make tuvok a higher ranked officer
I know Seán is all about Trek culture, but it's hard not to focus on those guns he calls arms. Mr. Ferrick lifts.
Found something you like, eh?
@@waynemarvin5661 Much to my own astonishment, yeah 😃
When is Star Trek Prodigy coming?
Well, technically, Chakotay served as father figure to Harry and, highely reluctantly, to Tom Paris. And that is shown in many episodes. You could count that as being kind of a mentor to both of them.
I have watched every episode 3 times and I never noticed the pips
Robert Beltran was actually unhappy with the show and wanted to leave it at several points, even going as far as to ask to be killed off permanently. Similar thing happened to Harry Kim. However, they changed their minds eventually and producers had Kes removed from the show instead.