Have you put any thought into the re-inversion of Shrek II, where the margin becomes the center (Shrek becoming prince) and the center becoming the margin (Fairy Godmother becoming the outcast villain)? It seems like there might be something great there to do with the swinging pendulum.
Vince McCoige this video help put into words that feeling I got when I saw the last Shrek movie (4), where Shrek and his group of misfits have become the stagnant community center, and the disruption comes from the margin; Rumpelstiltskin...a conman who lived in a trailer park turned homeless...
5 years later and the margin has consumed so much of the center that the we are facing the apocalypse. We are increasingly approaching Robin Hood and the Return of the King. Lord have mercy on us.
Man. That’s deep, and to add to it. _Shrek_ itself was a margin project in DreamWorks, where animators kicked from working on _The Prince of Egypt_ were sent
Wow your channel is really good! It reminds me of my philosophy Prof talks. He really liked movies especially the sci-fi ones because of all the symbols, meanings, mythological and biblical correlation to the ”new” stories that are presented to us. It’s really all interesting and shows that every story is not really something that wasn’t told to us before. Great channel really.
I just watched the film since long before encountering this kind of analysis through Jordan Peterson... You're confirming a lot of what I personally perceived watching the film with my new, more experienced and unified perspective. For an actor and writer like myself these kinds of resources are priceless. Thanks, Mr. Pageau.
Except the bit about the genderbread person. Accepting trans ideology is the margin overwhelming the centre. I've watched this a few times and now I think you are subtly laughing at the transgender viewpoint. At first it seemed an expression of support. I guess this video was 5 years ago and I am now so used to seeing support. Brilliant video.
Loved the video Jonathan. I'd love to see you expand on the pendulum swinging between the center and the fringe and how this connects to what we're seeing in modern society. It seems to me that in our society the former fringe has become the center and we are experiencing the pendulum switch back to the "normal" state.
History repeats, it goes back and forth between two extremes. Right now the pendulum is swinging towards the right instead of the left ( in our society, but it has also happened in countless others).
Have watched a few of your videos now, you have some really interesting and insightful views. I'm very glad I found your channel (through JBP, probably not surprisingly) The gingerbread person segment was quite funny, not to mention relevant! Keep up the great work and God bless.
Thanks Jonathan. Very interesting. I will need to watch this a few times. I feel you have very important information to share, but am not yet sure how to comprehend it... The concepts seem strange, yet familiar (I guess it has something to with the collective unconscious, or me not being a student of art). Questions which spring to mind are, where did you learn this? and do the editors of movies understand what they are writing themselves?
The question not being directed at me and albeit too late but the answer is yes. Thematic and stylistic choices of professional writers are made early in plot development as a layer of meaning and help guide the events of the plot points: those that intellectually do not fit within the metanarrative are discarded.
This relation between the peripheral and the central is frequently shown in space shows. While the belters are being assaulted, excluded, and became the other, the ones in the center are busy being wealthy and healthy a solid example of this is 'the expanse.' thanks for such ingenious contributions, sir
I was happy to hear Jordan mention your channel in his last video of his Bible series. I've listened to most videos you posted so far and the content is amazing. Have you thought about doing a commentary on the latest 'Planet of the Apes' movie? It's full of symbolism as well as far left propaganda.
I like this a lot. It’d be cool to see you do a video on Tron: Legacy. There’s definitely themes to be appreciated there that can be compared to Shrek & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
Love your analysis, I always find it useful. Have you ever attempted to break down a video game? Obviously, most aren't known for their story-telling, but something like Undertale or Chrono Trigger would lend itself very well imo. You could also do a broad overview of, say, Nintendo titles? Just sayin', video game content is quite popular here on RUclips.
It reminds me of how there was always an area outside the camp for the children of Israel. There, they would send the lepers and those unclean, and also went to the bathroom there. But also, the tabernacle was pitched far outside the camp (Exodus 33:7). Almost far deep into chaos. Christ suffered on the Cross outside Jerusalem. The Orthodox Study Bible says that everyone who sought the Lord went outside the camp, and those who wish to find Him must leave the earthly Jerusalem to find Him in the heavenly Jerusalem. But is there an element of the Marginal here, and what does it mean?
The Second Coming Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Awesome. I definitely will. I appreciate what you've been producing -- its resonance with my own experience and education is a source of surprisingly deep emotion.
I was able to carve out time to listen to the Zombie lecture today. Totally awesome. Also the podcast on purity laws -- something I've struggled to understand for years now makes total sense.
Thank you Jonathan. So much gold goodness to be mined from Shrek. We need flying talking donkeys willing to be our friend when we are stuck like an Ogre in our swamp. Reminds me of the story of Balaam's Ass. Many times in my life I end up beating my own donkey only to realize I was being the dumb ass. The paradoxical pendulum swings to our marginal self stuck in our swamp. Thank goodness.
You could make the same comparison using Tyrion Lannister from A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. Such a mismatched character who identifies strongly as a dwarf but he so desperately wants to be tall, it is even hinted at that he’s fallen in love with a girl of normal size. He has the split between green and black eyes, and a mix of pale blond and black hair kind of like The Master and Margarita.
Amazing stuff, Jonathan. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the structure of LOTR. Quick request: would you provide the reference for that St. Maximus quote? I'd like to pursue it further.
I just see these as interpretations of a grater truth which in my opinion every one to some degree search for,there are to many things that segregate peoples interpretation of these such as culture and upbringing which weather you like it or not colors peoples view of things which make it difficult for people to see a larger picture.
Lets just say there is a search for truth and that is all there is not a christian truth not a Islamic truth not an atheist truth there is just a truth to be found.IMO
My thought is that as we are only able to grasp a minuscule amount of a greater knowledge due to our inability to see things from all perspectives and living within an biased ego religion its self becomes a mine field. If the ego is deconstructed the bias can be removed from the equation, the more people understand the fallacy of the ego construct the larger the perspective of the greater knowledge.
I actually think the Shrekish inversion may actually be a good thing as it purges away excessive, decadent forms of order and alows a new, healthier order to spring up in it's place.
That was great, man! I would love to be able to see these things in a similar fashion. Like JBP, you should do a book list (or movie list or speaker list) that has shaped your unique perspective. I'm curious about your analysis on Barton Fink. It's one of my all time favorites. Or any Cohen brothers movie.
Genre matters too. More realistic fiction doesn't exhibit mythological patterns to the same degree as science fiction or fantasy, though such patterns are never entirely absent, just as they are never absent from real life.
In a sense the result of the excesses of the left and right hand leads to our attachment to the pendulum and so we face the consquences, therefore given that our western society looks to be firmly attached to the pendulum the goal should be not to stop the pendulum directly (if thats even possible) but instead to detach society from it.
You talk about how every system has something left out. Is this due to our materiality, i.e. the fact that we are made up of not just the actual, but the potential, and thus everything in the world is impermanent and subject to change? Also, doesn't Christianity posit a whole where nothing is left out? In what sense is that true and not true?
I think this actually highlights your point on the fool in an upside down world flipping the world back upright, and alternately the problem of the parasitic storyteller, where he even when telling a story intended to be perverse he ends up reestablishing the pattern. Shrek appears to destroy order, but in fact he reestablished moral order, at the expense of visual, deceitful order.
it's subversive, post-modern, such that it creates a blank canvas, into which a new power, the power of the divine darkness will rule over the earth, when the margin over-rides the centre.
So I'm a bit confused when applying the structure layed down to our post modernist world, do we suffer of an excess of order which have reused the margin (LGBT migration etc...) for constructing a New World Order ?
A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows. To begin your study of the life of Muad'Dib, then, take care that you first place him in his time: born in the 57th year of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. And take the most special care that you locate Muad'Dib in his place: the planet Arrakis. Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first fifteen years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place.
Was watching this video before bed. When I woke up the next morning, in that fuzzy place between sleeping and waking I heard a voice in my mind say to me "the fast one is order". I asked it why and it replied "it is an ally". Does this mean anything?
Interesting notion that laughter is a response to the "edges" of things. I suppose people who stay safely away from limitations, borders, controversies, are indeed considered to be the most boring and humorless.
LMAO not Sherk 😂 thx Jon Edit: definitely my one of my fav talks you've done. We NEED to let the margins exist lest they consume us 😂 plz leave gay ppl alone the party has been hijacked
This video actually helped me think about the Sunday of the Myrrhbearing women. I was so enthused I even wrote a post about it: www.dustinlyon.org/?p=1653
I have to admit that Shrek left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. While there are huge dangers to celebrating physical beauty, as we can see in our society today, it seemed like the Shrek was on the verge of celebrating physical ugliness as a positive good in itself. We can see something similar in the fat acceptance movement. While there are real evils to be fought in our society's obsession with youth and physical appearance, the fat acceptance people seems intent on voiding the very distinction between the beautiful and the ugly, and to pathologize all attempts to possess or achieve the former. That seems to me a profoundly evil thing to do.
Cythera Pierce I think evil is about right. When you tell kids it’s alright to be massively overweight, without telling them it can shorten their life and lower the quality of life they do have, it’s pretty evil. Yes, kids should be happy with who they are, but not at the detriment to their health.
This makes an interesting comparison to Emperor's New Groove, where the center and the periphery are reconciled. It does seem though that the physical outer regions of that kingdom was the "normal" whereas the centre was rather strange.
Is this movie responding to a disenchanted Protestantism? There are no mysteries, all spiritual elements have been arrested, tries to explain all, etc. to make up for its own lacking.
14:06 The sin of pride, is the first sin, before the margin devours the centre. Order of the centre must allow some room on the margin for gargoyles and monsters, or it will be devoured by the margin.
And then I saw the symbolism, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
That's how it begins.
Now what is that song telling you? 😉
1:36 "Rips a page out to use as toilet paper"
And then immediately an ad showed up, ripping your beautiful video. What a coincidence.
Have you put any thought into the re-inversion of Shrek II, where the margin becomes the center (Shrek becoming prince) and the center becoming the margin (Fairy Godmother becoming the outcast villain)? It seems like there might be something great there to do with the swinging pendulum.
Vince McCoige this video help put into words that feeling I got when I saw the last Shrek movie (4), where Shrek and his group of misfits have become the stagnant community center, and the disruption comes from the margin; Rumpelstiltskin...a conman who lived in a trailer park turned homeless...
Brings both the shrek canon, and shrek mythos to a new light
More than three years on and your account name is still causing lols.
5 years later and the margin has consumed so much of the center that the we are facing the apocalypse. We are increasingly approaching Robin Hood and the Return of the King. Lord have mercy on us.
I came back to this video because I was thinking this exact thing. I believe we are going to win, but it’s going to be an arduous 10 Years.
What did you study in order to use the study of symbolisms? This is quality, and beautiful content right here!
Start with his brothers book Language of Creation.
Found anything? I'd be interested too
@@burt2800 everything about mythology, religion, and storytelling. The rest is you being able to find all that knowledge within the story you analyze.
Are you a professor or something? You're just super knowledgeable about this stuff and your video reminds me of a college lecture but far less boring
Man. That’s deep, and to add to it. _Shrek_ itself was a margin project in DreamWorks, where animators kicked from working on _The Prince of Egypt_ were sent
Though The Prince of Egypt was also a great movie
@@matityaloran9157 Oh absolutely… but which one became the Dreamworks flagship franchise?
Shrek.
One of your best Jonathen. Beautifully articulated. Such a complex subject matter and you artistically present it.
Love your content
Wow your channel is really good! It reminds me of my philosophy Prof talks. He really liked movies especially the sci-fi ones because of all the symbols, meanings, mythological and biblical correlation to the ”new” stories that are presented to us. It’s really all interesting and shows that every story is not really something that wasn’t told to us before. Great channel really.
So relevant right now. Amazing as always, thanks so much Jonathan.
This was genuinely very interesting. I'm going to have to watch a lot more of your videos.
I just watched the film since long before encountering this kind of analysis through Jordan Peterson... You're confirming a lot of what I personally perceived watching the film with my new, more experienced and unified perspective. For an actor and writer like myself these kinds of resources are priceless. Thanks, Mr. Pageau.
This is Pageau's comment on this Olympic opening ceremony.
Was thinking the same thing
That was an incredible lecture, thank you
Except the bit about the genderbread person. Accepting trans ideology is the margin overwhelming the centre. I've watched this a few times and now I think you are subtly laughing at the transgender viewpoint. At first it seemed an expression of support. I guess this video was 5 years ago and I am now so used to seeing support. Brilliant video.
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME
THE WORLD
WAS GONNA ROLL ME
I AINT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHEEED
@Athenian Privateer WITH HER FINGER AND HER THUMB IN SHAPE OF L ON HER FOREHEAD..
@@SamuelComptonLeslie WELL, THE YEARS START COMING AND THEY DONT STOP COMING
Loved the video Jonathan. I'd love to see you expand on the pendulum swinging between the center and the fringe and how this connects to what we're seeing in modern society. It seems to me that in our society the former fringe has become the center and we are experiencing the pendulum switch back to the "normal" state.
History repeats, it goes back and forth between two extremes. Right now the pendulum is swinging towards the right instead of the left ( in our society, but it has also happened in countless others).
Good observation
Have watched a few of your videos now, you have some really interesting and insightful views. I'm very glad I found your channel (through JBP, probably not surprisingly) The gingerbread person segment was quite funny, not to mention relevant! Keep up the great work and God bless.
This slaps harder as time goes on.
Thanks Jonathan. Very interesting. I will need to watch this a few times. I feel you have very important information to share, but am not yet sure how to comprehend it... The concepts seem strange, yet familiar (I guess it has something to with the collective unconscious, or me not being a student of art). Questions which spring to mind are, where did you learn this? and do the editors of movies understand what they are writing themselves?
The question not being directed at me and albeit too late but the answer is yes. Thematic and stylistic choices of professional writers are made early in plot development as a layer of meaning and help guide the events of the plot points: those that intellectually do not fit within the metanarrative are discarded.
Love your stuff man, keep up the good work. Never actually thought anything of Shrek, beyond the memes of course.
This relation between the peripheral and the central is frequently shown in space shows. While the belters are being assaulted, excluded, and became the other, the ones in the center are busy being wealthy and healthy
a solid example of this is 'the expanse.'
thanks for such ingenious contributions, sir
I'm so happy this channel exist. I'd watch all these movies just so I can watch his analysis
What you mention of the margin needing to need to remain the margin reminds me of a genie in a lamp.
dude you should have like 1 milion subs, symbolism is fucking awesome!
Very interesting observation, Thank you so much. I'm doing a paper on this subject. Wish me luck :)
Pls do a thematic deconstruction of Naruto thank you.
"The metaphysics of the nine tails."
With the ridiculous amount of episodes he’d have to watch? I don’t think this is ever gonna happen.
I was happy to hear Jordan mention your channel in his last video of his Bible series. I've listened to most videos you posted so far and the content is amazing. Have you thought about doing a commentary on the latest 'Planet of the Apes' movie? It's full of symbolism as well as far left propaganda.
The tyranny of the margin always proceeds the tyranny of the center. Wow, I have never thought about it.
Didn't he say tyranny of the center precides tyranny of the margin?
The pendulum won't stop until all things come to an end and there is no observer left to witness.
Great stuff man
I like this a lot. It’d be cool to see you do a video on Tron: Legacy. There’s definitely themes to be appreciated there that can be compared to Shrek & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
Eloquent, beautiful and clarifying analysis. Thank you mr. Pageau.
Love your analysis, I always find it useful. Have you ever attempted to break down a video game? Obviously, most aren't known for their story-telling, but something like Undertale or Chrono Trigger would lend itself very well imo. You could also do a broad overview of, say, Nintendo titles? Just sayin', video game content is quite popular here on RUclips.
The first time I saw Shrek, I missed about half the story because I laughed so hard!
It reminds me of how there was always an area outside the camp for the children of Israel. There, they would send the lepers and those unclean, and also went to the bathroom there.
But also, the tabernacle was pitched far outside the camp (Exodus 33:7). Almost far deep into chaos. Christ suffered on the Cross outside Jerusalem. The Orthodox Study Bible says that everyone who sought the Lord went outside the camp, and those who wish to find Him must leave the earthly Jerusalem to find Him in the heavenly Jerusalem. But is there an element of the Marginal here, and what does it mean?
demn, you have very powerful insights
The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
You should watch my talk "Pentecost for the Zombie Apocalypse" where I use the poem to interpret the contemporary world.
Awesome. I definitely will. I appreciate what you've been producing -- its resonance with my own experience and education is a source of surprisingly deep emotion.
I was able to carve out time to listen to the Zombie lecture today. Totally awesome. Also the podcast on purity laws -- something I've struggled to understand for years now makes total sense.
Thank you Jonathan. So much gold goodness to be mined from Shrek. We need flying talking donkeys willing to be our friend when we are stuck like an Ogre in our swamp. Reminds me of the story of Balaam's Ass. Many times in my life I end up beating my own donkey only to realize I was being the dumb ass. The paradoxical pendulum swings to our marginal self stuck in our swamp. Thank goodness.
Can you explain what you mean? I feel like this is really important but I'm not sure I'm getting it. Thanks
Who is your donkey?
Farquaad = Klaus Schwab …continue to interpret from there…whoa!!
You could make the same comparison using Tyrion Lannister from A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. Such a mismatched character who identifies strongly as a dwarf but he so desperately wants to be tall, it is even hinted at that he’s fallen in love with a girl of normal size. He has the split between green and black eyes, and a mix of pale blond and black hair kind of like The Master and Margarita.
I would like to see more of this kind of content. Great stuff!
Amazing stuff, Jonathan. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the structure of LOTR. Quick request: would you provide the reference for that St. Maximus quote? I'd like to pursue it further.
Three movies i think would be great wold be Dr Strange,The Watchmen and Beowulf.
I just see these as interpretations of a grater truth which in my opinion every one to some degree search for,there are to many things that segregate peoples interpretation of these such as culture and upbringing which weather you like it or not colors peoples view of things which make it difficult for people to see a larger picture.
Lets just say there is a search for truth and that is all there is not a christian truth not a Islamic truth not an atheist truth there is just a truth to be found.IMO
My thought is that as we are only able to grasp a minuscule amount of a greater knowledge due to our inability to see things from all perspectives and living within an biased ego religion its self becomes a mine field.
If the ego is deconstructed the bias can be removed from the equation, the more people understand the fallacy of the ego construct the larger the perspective of the greater knowledge.
How the heck did you use Shrek to blow my mind?
DO THE MATRIX TRILOGY!!!!!!!!
I cracked so hard with the Genderbread Person reference lol
I actually think the Shrekish inversion may actually be a good thing as it purges away excessive, decadent forms of order and alows a new, healthier order to spring up in it's place.
so is shrek actually drek then or what
I remember watching it a the cinema, being so insulted and degraded, but never knew why....
The power of the margin... is why some of us ferociously defend our liminal nature. 💪
Could you do symbolism of the dark triad. aka mackavelli's the prince. I appreciate you're work Mr. Pageau.
That was great, man! I would love to be able to see these things in a similar fashion. Like JBP, you should do a book list (or movie list or speaker list) that has shaped your unique perspective.
I'm curious about your analysis on Barton Fink. It's one of my all time favorites. Or any Cohen brothers movie.
Genre matters too. More realistic fiction doesn't exhibit mythological patterns to the same degree as science fiction or fantasy, though such patterns are never entirely absent, just as they are never absent from real life.
I'd love to see Jonathan do mythology analysis on current politics.
Did anyone catch the Saturn symbol on the gnomes chin in the fairy tale creatures wanted sign?
What about the initiatory path found in all these movies?
Great video.
The "genderedbread person" , is it "they say" or "they sayz"? .... HILLARIOUS!!!!!
Wish I could translate like this.
In a sense the result of the excesses of the left and right hand leads to our attachment to the pendulum and so we face the consquences, therefore given that our western society looks to be firmly attached to the pendulum the goal should be not to stop the pendulum directly (if thats even possible) but instead to detach society from it.
You talk about how every system has something left out. Is this due to our materiality, i.e. the fact that we are made up of not just the actual, but the potential, and thus everything in the world is impermanent and subject to change?
Also, doesn't Christianity posit a whole where nothing is left out? In what sense is that true and not true?
...Pendulums always stop in the center
I think this actually highlights your point on the fool in an upside down world flipping the world back upright, and alternately the problem of the parasitic storyteller, where he even when telling a story intended to be perverse he ends up reestablishing the pattern.
Shrek appears to destroy order, but in fact he reestablished moral order, at the expense of visual, deceitful order.
My question is if Shrek is seen to love being completely filthy why does he bother to wipe his behind in the first place?
Today the marginal has won ......... the centre has not held and mere anarchy has been loosed.
So Shrek is a precursor to Milo Btw this video is better than the guardians of the galaxy imo, caught my attention almost immediately!
Is there a dialectic going on in Shrek?
it's subversive, post-modern, such that it creates a blank canvas, into which a new power, the power of the divine darkness will rule over the earth, when the margin over-rides the centre.
So I'm a bit confused when applying the structure layed down to our post modernist world, do we suffer of an excess of order which have reused the margin (LGBT migration etc...) for constructing a New World Order ?
ah, so this is why 6 is afraid of 7
A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows. To begin your study of the life of Muad'Dib, then, take care that you first place him in his time: born in the 57th year of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. And take the most special care that you locate Muad'Dib in his place: the planet Arrakis. Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first fifteen years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place.
I dont get it
Shrek is 4chan when the SJWs tried to put "feminism" in all things which are on the outer rim of society
Godel would agree.
Was watching this video before bed. When I woke up the next morning, in that fuzzy place between sleeping and waking I heard a voice in my mind say to me "the fast one is order". I asked it why and it replied "it is an ally". Does this mean anything?
yeah
ur going mad
Hello Jonathan.. Alias ‘Prince Charming’ .. 😍
Interesting notion that laughter is a response to the "edges" of things. I suppose people who stay safely away from limitations, borders, controversies, are indeed considered to be the most boring and humorless.
LMAO not Sherk 😂 thx Jon
Edit: definitely my one of my fav talks you've done. We NEED to let the margins exist lest they consume us 😂 plz leave gay ppl alone the party has been hijacked
after watching these vids...I feel so dumb for not seeing this symbolism.
Then we are paying for our own faults?
It seems the world is upside-down today.
This video actually helped me think about the Sunday of the Myrrhbearing women. I was so enthused I even wrote a post about it: www.dustinlyon.org/?p=1653
I have to admit that Shrek left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. While there are huge dangers to celebrating physical beauty, as we can see in our society today, it seemed like the Shrek was on the verge of celebrating physical ugliness as a positive good in itself. We can see something similar in the fat acceptance movement. While there are real evils to be fought in our society's obsession with youth and physical appearance, the fat acceptance people seems intent on voiding the very distinction between the beautiful and the ugly, and to pathologize all attempts to possess or achieve the former. That seems to me a profoundly evil thing to do.
Misguided, perhaps, but profoundly evil? Yikes, man.
Cythera Pierce I think evil is about right. When you tell kids it’s alright to be massively overweight, without telling them it can shorten their life and lower the quality of life they do have, it’s pretty evil. Yes, kids should be happy with who they are, but not at the detriment to their health.
He was a fucking ogre.
What about the flags of farquad fff = 666
Are you familiar with the series Fringe? Some really beautiful universal themes there!
This makes an interesting comparison to Emperor's New Groove, where the center and the periphery are reconciled. It does seem though that the physical outer regions of that kingdom was the "normal" whereas the centre was rather strange.
XAÍRE NYMPHE! XAÍRE BAKXE!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Folly
The movie plot is as bizarre as the explanation of its symbolism. Perhaps they are working from the same ‘script’?
Kind of seems like it towards the end of the video, but in an obscure way
Is this movie responding to a disenchanted Protestantism? There are no mysteries, all spiritual elements have been arrested, tries to explain all, etc. to make up for its own lacking.
You guys get high and watch these ever
Nice Genderbread cameo.
13:40
Shrek is love Shrek is life
14:06
The sin of pride,
is the first sin, before the margin devours the centre.
Order of the centre must allow some room on the margin for gargoyles and monsters, or it will be devoured by the margin.
So I’m right in thinking at least a part of our problem stems from the Victorians?