Paradise Lost: The Controversial Hunt For The Garden Of Eden | Myth Hunters | Odyssey
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
- The Garden of Eden is said to be paradise on earth and yet we don't know where it is, or do we? Bible scholars put forward controversial new theories as to where the legendary garden was located. However, not everyone in the academic community is persuaded.
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I have heard a version of this. During the ice age, the fertile.crescent was very fertile. People could gather plenty of grain in a short amount of time and there was plenty of game to hunt. Artifacts from the period are well made and artistically decorated. As the glaciers receded, sea levels rose and the weather became dryer. People had to work harder to get enough food. They learned to cultivate and irrigate. Food came by the sweat of their brows. The change is lamented and human action is blamed.
And now, a state-sponsored sect of religious zealots are blaming human action yet again!!! They are known as, the "C(lie)mate Change Cult". 😡
It was buried by the Persian Gulf. All the rivers lead to the PG. I'm saying this before I watch the video. Lets see if we agree. OMG I was right!!! I found both the same rivers---ON MY OWN!! I found this about 10 years ago! So glad to have found this video! I mean, I'm just an everyday mom and to have a Professor & Archeologist come to the same findings I did is just so awesome!
Well done you !
Credentials are overrated when it comes to history, sociology, economics etc. when it comes to breakthroughs in rewriting history, it's not going to be historians doing it.
@@SubvertTheState You're right, ofc, at least on the last bit. Zarins was an archeologist, not a historian. But the bible is mythology not history, and it should be interpreted scientifically, not subjectively
Hi there, Satan is the king of lies remember. Rough enough is not good enough. The great flood is real😮
Juris Zarins 17 February 1945 -08 July 2023. Rest in eternal peace Champ. You gave us an unforgettable story
What is recorded in history isn't necessarily what really happened
Chuck Missler and Gene Kim have the best information on the subject.
Werner Keller wrote a book called "The Bible as History" which shows how many of the places and events in the Bible are actually rooted in fact, which doesn't mean they happened exactly as the Bible and preachers would have us believe.
True, but the garden of Eden isn’t; it’s just the origin myth of Abrahamic religions. Almost all religions have them, but AFAIK none of the other creation myths are taken literally
Like Chinese whispers
Siri theory, just like.
Evolution Darwin. Was known as desgripe that was before the flood
Dr Gene Kim has the most knowledgeable information that I've ever listened to
March 2015 2024 from Rochester New York
Well the Bible takes place on earth so ide assume they would be represented in some way in the Bible 😂
OK Im three minutes in and they are still going on about how people didnt like the idea of looking for Eden.... this does not bode well
Why would it not ? People start thinking more objectively and factual.
These stories are just " stories" without proof. So it is understandable and thankfully so !
Otherwise we'd be stuck in medieval knowledge.
I'm fine with looking for the origins of stories! That's how we learn!
Well...people once thought that people flying around in the sky was crazy...
even the Wright Brothers' father said a few years before the first flight that flying is reserved for the angels
Garden of Eden is a mythological and symbolical and archetypical place. It exists within us.
It cannot be found on the physical earth. The expulsion from Eden tells us about how we are separated from our inner garden of Eden and it means
the garden of pleasure / blessing / delight . The expulsion in fact tells us how we are sepatated from God.
I like how you just make all this up and then say it like it is obviously so. Meanwhile, there is a guy named Juris who spends his whole life looking for evidence with which to build and support his premise.
Sooo..why cant it be both
..and a means for humans to obtain heaven?
Interesting theory. Proof?
Hmmm...well tell that to the Angel guarding the entrance... He's been there quite some time...and he'll be interested in your ideas....😂😂
You have to consider everything in a broad context. For example comparing the lush paradise to the loss experienced when the gulf was flooded is like the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden. Imagine having all of that verdant fertile area being swept away by the Gulf becoming flooded (The great flood in Genesis)and having to try to grow crops in the arid hinterland to the north. Soft herbaceous plants are now replaced by thorny cactus plants which are adapted to survive the harsh arid climate. As in Genesis they earn their bread by the sweat of their brow and the land is difficult to cultivate and grows thorns and briars instead of all of those exotic fruit trees which once flourished.@@highendservicesbarrieont8347
51:11 John Day doesn't acknowledge that the Ancient Hebrews could have got their translation wrong regarding the flow of the rivers. They got other geagraphical aspects of the region wrong in Genesis.
What no archeologist has yet to explain is that if you're the supposed first culture, and civilization... Who in the hell are you trading with ? They suppose the sudden rise of Sumer, but fail to mention that the Sumerians themselves acknowledge other cities, possibly predating their own, and they waged war pretty quick as far as history goes; against other cultures and city states, how can this be if yours is the first culture and presumably you should rule the world with your advanced technological civilization, who could mount a resistance ?
We just have their writings because of random chance that they wrote on clay which was unavailable elsewhere. We could never find paper or even parchment that is 4000+ years old and discount all civilizations we don't have direct writing from as 'myth'.
@@LTPottenger I understand that completely but their writings refer to older generations and civilizations as well as being able to build buildings, craft metal, domesticate both livestock and cereals, that just didn't appear and to suppose it happened simultaneously across the globe is ludacris at best... Recent discoveries like Gobekli tepe put high quality stone masons at he very least to be 12k yrs + into the past, and supposedly purposefully buried, which I find it extremely unlikely and more likely filled during some extreme flooding event akin to the US badlands geologic formation... So on the point of writing these clay tablets, that took extreme time as well, to develop and teach this language to the point of it becoming mundane and universal... Anyways the point being is just because it's the first writing the the rest of the supposed guardians of traditional archeology follow suit and declare it the begining of all civilization ? When clearly they point to others such as themselves that they conquered but their writings if they had them or not don't exist, so who's to say how long hat culture was around before they got waylaid by humans, nature or God... I'm just saying that if we suppose they're the first culture with writing why in God's name would they lie about their history, and their religions as well, why can't we assume these are telephone games played out over centuries and they do in fact have legit historical reference They have the same brains we do, we can only assume some were just as skeptical then as we are now ?
Yes, there are chacolithic period towns throughout the fertile crescent.
There's been archeology going on at those sites for decades.
Not sure why you think this hasn't been researched at all.
@@ems4884 I get the fact that there's constant excavations and digs all over the fertile crescent, while most have been put on hold or destroyed because of the chaotic nature the middle east has been since the dawn of tine apparently... I mean the flow of info and technology implies a far longer time period than the sudden rise all over the globe of similar civilizations, structurally speaking... Does human nature imply a social hierarchy where one class rules over another, in constant perpetuity? More to the point tho is the fact that regardless where on the planet you look, gold plays a significant factor, where did that come from, why is also ingrained into the human psyche ? I'm off the point again, I just don't see Sumer as the foundations when they themselves have stories of advanced culture and wars before they themselves existed... Why are these stories myths and allegories, we thought the same of Troy and many others... ?
@@ems4884 moreover, it's the sudden rise, and then the sudden collapse/destruction and/or abandonment of the megalithic structures and their builders, granted there's not a lot left to study besides the giant carved and placed stones... But to just ignore them for being outliers, does a huge dis-service to humanity's collective memory / history and future...
How long had civilization been in existence before the first texts where ever written??? And how many of those first texts survived throughout the ages??? I don't think anyone can answer these questions...
You can't have civilization without some form of writing.
@@badpossum440 You can have civilization without writing!!! most meso-american cultures doesn't had writing until the incas and mayans right before them the Olmecs were the msot advanced you still see their buildings, giant head statues and lived with the still mostly unknown cultures in the Chiapas and Oaxaca region. So your point is quite dumb....
It's no wonder these stories have Sumerian roots because Abraham was from the city of Ur in Sumer.
-except Abraham didn't write Genesis. It was written before Abraham...
@@flimsyjimnzno it wasn’t. Moses wrote the Pentateuch
Abraham and Sarah were not real people - they are Semitized word forms of Brahma and Saraswati (deities, not real persons).
@@parjanyashukla176this is the difference the world doesn't seem to understand: Abraham has always been a montheist. This clearly suggests that there were people in the area that believed in ONE, TRUE, ETERNAL, and TMELESS God, that doesn't change. Hinduism, is the opposite, and comprises of various gods, which then beings confusion as to who the Messiah will come from. There are also no prophecies about Jesus in accorsance with Brahma, so that doesnt make any sense. On the contrary, there are prophecies of Jesus in the old testament, starting from Abraham.
Just because Brahma,and Abraham sound similar, they are not. We need to stop assuming that similar names refer to the same person. Otherwise, history would be a complete mess if we relied on that.
Lastly, the Bible is a mix of 3 things.... REAL previous history, current affairs of the time, and future prophecies that are to last till the END of time. The latter, has been fulfilled in the last 2000 years, and still continues to be fulfilled as the world hasn't ended yet. This is not a mere book. JESUS was prophesied including his mission on earth (to set captives free from the lies and the captivity of the enemy, which clearly has taken over to blind people to this extent FOR MILLENIUMS.) It is a continuous story that has matched up, and everything they said Jesus would do before he was even born, he DID! Including where he would be born, AND HIS LINEAGE! So no, Abraham is not the hindu god, Brahma as that completely distorts Jesus lineage and purpose to fulfill the will of YAWEH, the one true and only God.
Read the Bible in that sense; as a book that shows you the purpose of this world. Other than thay, you cannot unserstand it. You will then know, the importance of the Old Testament. OT was written by authors who didn't meet, lived hundred of years apart, but foretold the coming of the Jesus. That's why there are several books mostly written about genealogy in the OT. The Messiah had to come from a particular lineage, a monotheistic lineage, that believed in the God of the Bible. This is the only way Jesus mission would be fulfilled. This was to ensure that no false Messiahs, or no confusion is made. But it seems even with all that effort, the world is confused! The old testament, with its genealogy and belief in YAHWEH ALONE, is how we know we are talking of Christianity and not Hinduism in the Bible.
I bring this up so you can understand that Jesus was chosen to come from a particular lineage. The lineage of Abraham, which was chosen by God, and foretold he would be the father of all nations (Chrisitianity would encompass all nations, through his descendant, Jesus and we are watching thay happen across this globe.) Again, Bible prophecy must be fulfilled. It will happen no other way. Sorry but that means even Brahma has nothing to do with the Bible.
I ate up this research as it was published and think it makes such perfect sense. I always believed the Bible to be more literature than theological and enjoyed Werner Kellers work as well. I’m now curious re the recent discovery of humans having been reduced to a very few at about the same time in about the same place and whether or not these things are related. Hope someone out there with better resources is as curious as I am.
It's absolutely literature ... But various literary styles created over the course of six centuries. It's really a shame how little appreciated it is. I don't find that Christians actually read it to see it for what it is. Jews come a bit closer to that but the religious bias still distorts the perception.
I wish writing was invited earlier ... During the neolithic. Think of all the trouble that would have prevented when it comes to the Bible
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9:29 he summons Scotty Kilmer 😂
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The Scotty arm flapping technique is very effective at catching people's attention. 😅
The four rivers' headwaters came together just north of Kuwait. The Gihon river flows south from Iran, and the Pishon river runs east across Arabia. They merge together and flow down through the garden and into a reedy estuary. Thus, Eden began in Kuwait and went south into what is now the Persian Gulf.
Interesting theory 🤔
All those pictures of Adam and Eve with belly buttons 🤣
And her pink toenails at the end there...
@@squidink206 - I mean paining toenails is one thing but adding a belly button (which is a scar left over from being born of a woman) is a little tougher to pull off.
Its kinda fun conversation like how tenasious D he was lookin at that postr when he chose to leave home
I like how it all came together there
Mind blowing documentary!
First I’ve ever heard of this. Love it!
Fascinating, great video.
It is fascinating. This is real academic research. I find it very tiresome when doubters just roll their eyes and look at people who find a basis in the origins of these stories as gullible simpletons who believe in fairy tales.
Curious of how the formation of the vast oilfields in the area were formed because of the vegetation climate...evidence to further support his theory.😊
Hundreds of millions of years ago before even dinosaurs existed.
Interesting video, I would be interested to know more about the geologic history of the area, wish I could had a sit down with him to discuss this. Geoffrey Bibby was actually first to propose that Dilmun, which he identified with Bahrain, as the prototype of the biblical Eden in the 50s. He wrote a book on his theory, Searching for Dilmun, in 1961.
Great documentary ❤
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I have no religion but enjoy these biblical mysteries. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Very good. Thank you, for this great production!
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I started watching this very cautiously afraid it would be weird or make quantum leaps ot something like that. But no, this fits extremely well with things I already knew to make a ton of sense.
I had focused on the Great Rift Valley since I was making a connection to Africa. I would like to expand a bit more on exactly where they got the information that Cush was in that particular mountain range just for curiosities sake. I may have to dig for a book or something on this.
I was very aware that of course Babylon & Sumer had to be a root source since Abraham is supposed to have come from Ur.
I had run into those connections eons ago. Oddly enough I has thought that if Eden was a place at all it would likely be under water. Just because these stories seem to go back to a time of Ice Age not the actual creation of the Universe.
Oral mythology or history always seems to carry a memory thread to actual events somehow. I think these stories began as oral history then later were applied to newer revelations about the spiritual world most cultures seem to sense.
This just ties things I had read or sensed & puts something quite real to it.
Well told sir
Thank you 🙏
Love the story (metaphor) of Adam and his birth-child, Eve, together with the warning of the dangers of following the advice of the very first family lawyer-consultant . . . The Serpent.
A fascinating documentary. The number of ads was annoying though.
now seriously. The level of stupidity that goes along with people of faith is truly shocking. If God had actually cast the original people, the original man and woman out of Eden. What makes you think that any human being would be able to re-enter this sacred space?eventually some human would wander back in there if it was actually real. But like the majority of stories in the Bible. It was mythology! Man humans scare me.
Your comment shows a high level of stupidity also
Can't you read? Eden isn't a normal place. Plus there are cherubim and a flashing sword guarding the way
i totally agree ,like we can prove dinosaures were here before man,long before. or nohas ark,like comon really,every specie of animal.,insect bird!
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@@br.mwell that makes perfect sense. 😂
So Zarins don't harden your heart like they did during the rebellion but humble yourself under the mighty hand of God & He will lift you up! Revival or we die!❤
I love applying science to the Bible. It just proves that the book is pretty accurate, not perfect as they are stories that were repeated by mouth but still accurate!
We are all of the human race and therefore we all have the same history hense nothing was plagerised in the Bible...
The Garden of Eden was/is around the confluence of the Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois and Meramec Rivers. Ancient evidence everywhere
Adam and Eve defy evolution and they’re looking for the garden of Eden?! This is ludicrous.
48:45 Ancient Egyptians also swapped north and south with regards to discussing the direction in which the river Nile flowed.
Well worth the watch.
Science was born by religious men, Isaac Newton etcetera. Science isn't the conflict with God, it's the men who determined God isn't true is. Men who try to replace God with science.
Lol they had no choice in the matter back then. They had to show up in church. Besides the term "god" is a job description.
Science isn't replacing something that doesn't exist
Science is real and God is not.
@@barbaraarndt5293 "Science is -real- _physical_ and God is -not- _spiritual_ ." Fixed your sentence for you. This is why many religious men have also been scientist, as one does not conflict with the other. One has nothing to do with each other. They can both co-exist together with no issues.
Hard to replace anything which is actually a fantasy? And the so called religious men? How deep was their faith or did they avoid to be burnt at the stake. Even the present Pope is not so sure.
The earth was catastrophicly changed by the worldwide flood of Noah and the garden of Eden is no more....
If billions people from differents place tell the same story from the past. Thats probably not just story or myth but thats a truth.
Billions of people with no first hand account and only a book to tell them?
We do know the Nile has changed its course many times. So what was the course of the Nile back in the time when the Garden of Eden existed???
This is known. You can research it in geological maps of the upper-paleolithic period.
@@ems4884 -- I don't trust much coming out of secular science...especially concerning biblical history. They'll do anything to disprove biblical events...even lie...
It never shifted past the red sea.. so that's kind of impossible
I have seen some people associate Dilmun (or Tilmun, depending on translation) associated with Bahrain. I think it may been Bauval and Hancock, although it may have been David Rohl.
It's a great theory
You only have the "recorded" use of the word "Eden". How long was it in use before it was written down in a surviving text???
We don't know that and that's allright a tleast we know the oldest use so far...
Very interesting, he was soo close.
DL Hamblin wrote a book about Zarins a while back, Has the Garden of Eden Been Found At Last? There's an article by the same name by her on the interwebs for anyone interested
From the earth/clay you came & to the earth you/body you shall return.
It makes sense that there are truths found in the Bible. Locations, Natural disasters. People etc. It just doesn't necessarily mean that there were talking snakes and mythical sky deities. 🤷🏼♀️ There are lots of fact based aspects of Greek mythology. There just simply wasn't a Mount Olympus loaded with magic gods.
His theory at least has some logic to it. And it does make sense that maybe some bits of meaning have become lost.
The weight of the ice age glaciers depressed the mantle under the crust and relocated the mantle to the edges of the glaciers causing crust up lifting and changes in water flow.
Lot more opinion than fact in this
Words were first created and spoken before ever being written down...
Rivers can only be seen from space with special photography beneath the surface.
Abraham was from Ur, which was a city in Sumeria! So he was aware of the Sumerian mythology!
Paradise lost a great metal band too
David Rohl placed it where Tabriz is.
I'm not sure if he is correct but he makes a compelling argument. Especially with the concept of the water's flowing out of that part of the world as opposed to this theory that they're moving towards what is the Persian Gulf.
This was very good
The stunning thing about this is, that believers don't want it to be reality. This is Platonism gone haywire in Western religion. It's crazy!
I think there is an Aldi store built over it today
The Garden of Eden is all around us. We dig it up, pave over it, build on it. It's the world wild animals live in. The ability to live in nature without any technology. Bare naked, no tools, fire, just your bare hands. We can never go back.
How can the biblical scholar John day use the Bible to disprove the location of Eden?
Firstly like many Bible stories they are borrowed, rewritten and changed to fit their own narrative
Second there are many versions of the Bible giving varying accounts of these stories. One could say up river, one down river, one with no mention of direction
But the third and most important point is that there has been a large amount of grammatical errors when translating these stories into Hebrew and other languages resulting in names, places, phrases, sentences and large parts of stories being incorrect.
If the direction of a river is john days strongest argument to dispute Zarins and his teams work then he's failed miserably and indirectly shown how solid their evidence is.
Lots of stories and lots of truths about only one fact and one truth!
There are those that believe its in turkey and its interesting that noahs arc was discovered thats where it ended up on mount ararat
Was it in turkey ?
"where a river would once have flowed" flown* ftfy
Its not in this dimension its on Earth but we cant see it as we've been cast out. Its gaurded by 2 angels with flaming swords. Does this mean god know one day we may be able to open a portal? 😮
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The rivers listed in Genesis are found in the mid-oceanic trenches and those four rivers end in The Phillipines also known as Ophir or Havillah. The Garden is under The Sulu Sea.
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Sometimes any story normally has some truth and just because you try to prove something with science doesn’t make it real or not. My guess is that most things ancient have some truth but that doesn’t mean it’s what you think. It’s hard sometimes to explain things to people that have never seen it.
can we get to the science, not just feeling
the bible was being taught before it was even written. people forget that there was a global flood. Abraham was from UR of the Chaldeans in modern day Iraq.
There are Great Flood stories from every culture on earth. It's one thing from the bible that's likely true, but Noah obviously couldn't have saved a breeding pair from every single species of animal on earth. I believe there's a grain of truth in every legend from every culture.
Global flood huh. Where is the evidence
It was not being "taught." It was oral history, legend and myth. And after the Torah the majority of the old testament is very much a legendary chronicle
What couldn't be understood had to be explained away in simple terms. The more things became understood, the less religion could be used to explain
It is amusing to see academics and atheists alike come unglued and soil themselves to be heard when anything from a religious context is applied. Or more specifically, a judeo/christian context.
The tree was the previous ancient alien civilisation in Sumer. I'm clever hey?
the world has forgotten the Great Flood, Eden was well and truly destroyed
All of earth was and is Paradise. It's only that we humans are living in darkness now. Hang around for another 10,000 years. You'll see. 😊
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The Garden of Eden is a myth, but one we have all experienced. The Garden of Eden was the womb and birth was the expulsion from the Garden of Eden.
This is the Wonka Experience all over again isn’t it! Not an Oompa-Loompa to be found! I want a refund!!
Take a look in the mirror l, Mr. Wonka
At 46:25 :"No easy living here - if people wanted food, they had to grow it - they had to become farmers." Did the first farmers have pink nail polish on their toe nails?
The book "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeloy's New Vision of Ancient Isreal and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts" by Isreal Finlestein and Neil Asher Siberman. It's a must read.
You would think that an omnipotent god would protect their garden that houses the tree of knowledge.
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Eden was found long ago (then again recently) and the reason why it's not a destination for the people of the world and currently is the destruction that will happen because Man can't rule themselves.
The forbidden fruit is not an apple ,it is grain . Just a bad translation from earlier times . It was women that ,in hunter gather tribes, who collected grain and started planting it .This grain in time led to mass cultivation and structured villages and cities .So the tail is about harping back to a simpler and freer time of no dress code of the hunter gatherers ,and women were blamed for this change .
You're way off. The fruit is sex. That's why they knew they were naked immediately afterwards and why child labor pain was eve's punishment. The tree of knowledge is symbolism for Satan just like the tree of life is Jesus. Satan seduced Eve and also Adam. Eve got pregnant by both Adam and Satan at the same time and yes it's medically possible. This is why God said to Satan that he will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Cain and Abel were twins but different fathers. That's why Cain is not listed in Adams genealogy because Adam wasn't his father. Also explains why Cain was a murderer because his father was Satan. This all happened in a fig grove in the garden hence why they covered themselves with fig leaves. Understanding this is the beginning to understanding the parable of the fig tree.
There are many silly comments from silly people here but yours is definitely one of the silliest of them all.
The fruit of knowledge is the same as soma, haoma, ambrosia, amarita, ect, ect..
It's not a grain, not a fruit, it's not even from a tree, and has to be properly prepared.
In fact there is more proof proving a Young Earth than an Earth that is millions of years old...
so we want to know but not live forever with that knowledge, question is, what is it that we know cause that we do not want live forever? If God created them at His own image then how come they didn't have knowledge and didn't have immortality?
In the Bible it says that Cain created the 1st city. So was cain a sumerian? And was the land of Nod Sumer?
No
Its amazing story no wonder Eden can’t be found cuz its submerged…
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Sin was not in the world untill God said to Adam.
Though shalt not---. That made Adam a righteous man.
He walked with God.
The regions all over the fertile crescent and through out that latitude on our planet was lush, I believe it's true, man blamed himself for his predicament in that now, he had to manipulate the land get it's whole worth out of it...( God made us conjure up GMO's heh-heh !)
Nice story but only 10000 years ago plenty of civilisations older than Sumer
The scriptures say that before end times, everything will be revealed, except for the garden of eden. Scripture also says that men/ women /humanity will go into crazy frenzy to try and find the garden and will walk by and next to it, but will never ever find it. The creator put the sword of fire to go around and around to guard it from humans. For the creator/God or God of the matrix, whatever you may call it, will never ever allow it. Because after humanity was thrown out, he put in there the Quuribins to stay.
Where is any of that in scripture?
Seriously- real scripture, not pseudo scripture.
And who did the Samarians hear their story from and so on.
So the garden of Eden is in the Persian Gulf? Well that sucks