Peter Robinson is the greatest interviewer I have ever seen. An intense listener, and a mind so agile that he can receive almost ANY new contention and turn it into a point of clarity.
I love the dynamic of having Dr Meyer and Dr Tour on the same panel. They're both quite brilliant but really have a unique approach to debating the questions of origin of life. Dr Meyer is more measured while Dr Tour is more polemic. I had to pause at Dr Tour "a stinking pond" and laugh a little while I get ready for the rest of this.
Another fantastic show--thanks for having them on! Meyer (PhD Cambridge) and Tour (Rice chemistry prof, >650 research papers, >200 patents, H-index > 170) are highly intellectually credible. They deserve to be heard! So let's ignore the pro-cancellation comments from folks who want to suppress academically credible people like Meyer and Tour simply because they disagree with the majority. Let's stop the viewpoint suppression of dissenting scientific voices!
They are being refuted. Because their research papers and ideas have no substance and are constantly found to be lacking. They are led by faith and not evidence. If they had credibility, then they would be listened to by the general scientific community. They are as credible as Terrance Howard.
James Tour is so Great by the highest standards and yet he is still trying to tell everybody about Jesus Christ.. that’s incredible and it totally Strengthens my faith
Best part is at 44:30 where Tour explains that we still don't know what makes a call function. The top scientists can't explain what is "lost" from a cell seconds after the cell "dies" because it still has all the chemical components, yet something is lost. That something is not found in DNA or anywhere else. Its like "the force" in star wars because we don't know what it is, we just know it makes things tick.
@@bionanoscienceThis is a pure strawman. Tour says we need a better theory of the origin of life. We’ll never get it if we just keep saying this and stay at the same place.
How does this discussion challenge scientific convention. No one is claiming to be able to explain how the cell evolved. What scientific convention are they challenging? This is just arguing against nothing and proposing nothing. Can he ask them both what their alternative is ? No because it would immediately shut down this discussion.
I want to thank the three of you for an extremely lucid discussion about the most amazing subject in the universe: Life. Long will it remain a mystery, and the subject of study.
This chemical engineer hit the nail on the head, the scientist in the field of origin of life keep it going for the funding. To believe in intelligent design takes out the science. But it doesn’t, it still gives man a goal to unravel how it works. We may not figure out who designed life until we die, but faith helps get past that.
In the mid 40s, I remember the proverbial "primordial soup" model of life origin when I was still in grade school. No one questioned it. Same in high school science and biology classes of the late 40s and early 50s. In college, however, I just went on and studied mathematics, chemistry, physics, and electrical engineering. I like Dr. Meyers' statement about "undirected processes" which abound in the natural world versus the processes which occur in laboratories and manufacturing facilities. I think that point is central to all the origin of life questions. As an 89 year old retired engineer and mechanical guy who spent a lot of his lifetime fixin', repairin', buildin' old autos, auto engines, electric motors, washing machines, desktop computers, and my house. I have one pretty consistent observation from my years of getting stuff from auto junkyards. The stuff that's been in the junkyard the longest has rusted or deteriorated the most. Always reminded me of a fundamental "law" - No matter what you start with, if it is left without something continuously or repeatedly added in some organized ("directed") manner, it will decay, run down, stop working and absolutely end up becoming less than what you started with. Have never observed any exception to this.
One of the best, if not the best, UK episode I have yet watched. Peter Robinson is an excellent interviewer. Meyer and Tour are 2 fantastic minds and make for an excellent episode.
When Steven Meyer and James Tour arrive in heaven, God is going to say to each, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." These two men have taken such abuse for stating the obvious. Such courage is inspiring, amazing and worthy of honor and respect.
Thank you so much for this amazing discussion. Thank you for your courage and honesty. All three of you are using the talents given to you by your Designer to the utmost.
I have tons of respect for both of these men. And no one can match Peter as a host. Dr. Tour said what he hoped is that a younger generation will lay aside the prejudices of rank materialism and move in a more scientific direction. But I ask how can this happen so long as they are all immersed exclusively in the classroom with a single materialist cause for the origin of life.
Towards the end, when Stephen mentioned the students saying "no waaayyy" while learning what's happening inside the cell I wanted to laugh out loud, because that was ME in the early 90's, so over 30 years ago, in high school, learning biology. I remember clearly when I learned mitosis and the duplicated DNA chromosomes being pulled apart and then the cell dividing itself in two. That totally blew my mind. And it is just one of the millions of possible examples. As Dr James pointed, it's not just the DNA information storage. The whole thing SCREAMS design, wherever you look. If so many scientists weren't pushing their atheist religious dogmas so blindly, we could be making more progress. But then, would they be willing to confess they just don't know and they are even more clueless about it, the better microscopes get?
True scientists ❤. Dr. Tour is the best! Thank you for having these two future Nobel Peace Laureates on your show. The world needs more men like these. Thank you, gentlemen
Peter, well done !! What a program you have made with Estelar guests and how much you know about the subject at hand. No layman there !! Mazal Tov !!!!!
Easily the most profound and important issues facing today’s study of origins. Yet the willingly ignorant majority of the science community will proceed straining at gnats while swallowing camels because that’s where the research funding is focused. Bravo to all three of you for shining the light into the darkness and demonstrating the emperor of this world truly is naked. You all rock!
We do not seem to hear much mention of the work of Sir Fred Hoyle these days who published his book the "Intelligent Universe" in 1983. .To quote Hoyle: Did life start as a random process? No. "Imagine a blindfolded person trying to solve the Rubik cube. The chance against achieving perfect colour matching is about 50,000,000,000,000,000,000, to 1. These odds are about the same as those against just one of our body's 200,000 proteins having evolved randomly by chance" . Great interview.
A living cell occurring on Earth would be like a three story house occurring in the desert. But not just a three story house, but also finding the blue prints for how the house was built and maintained. And the house would have had to have builders that could read the blueprints and have arms and legs and a bunch of tools. And of course, these builders would need very specific materials at certain times and in a particular order. And also there is a danger of rain, fire, drought and other conditions while the building was going on. There is just no way possible something like a cell or a house just came about on it's own and for no reason to come about.
As a former materialistic evolutionist and atheist, it was evidence for catastrophic fluvial geomorphology that opened the door for me to explore Genesis from the view that its primarily an historical text. Genetics and microbiology, ancient accounts, the fossil record and so much more points to Genesis as being plain history.
In the origin of life there must be specific purposeful information which gives rise to that life. Where did the information, the epigenetic coding in the cell, originate?
"James Tour is performing chemical accounting on the OOL researchers." Well said, and it explains their disdain for him revealing that they are cooking the books.
Every theory must be reexamined as new science and studies develop. If something is true it should stand scrutiny. This is the true essence of debate and therefore the cornerstone of a civilized enlightened society.
but nothing has been proven true about the origin of life, that's why research and experiments continue, these 2 are just saying "it's too hard for US to understand, so God or aliens must have created life on earth". Intelligent design is not science, it offers no testable hypothesis.
But if that scrutiny is squeed with mega $$$ being thrown into the questioning process in order to direct the outcome to a predetermined result how can true answers come to light. Scientist know in their heads & hearts the fakery of evolution BUT they must play "the game" so they can get paid on Friday. There's no courage in science. And who suffers ... the next generation being feed the lies and worked into the system.
This is the first time I’ve heard someone other than myself make the time objection - the idea that the first structure would be able to survive this supposed primordial soup and form the ability to replicate enough that they all survive and kick off the arc of life seemed ridiculous to me - and stumped every professor of biology and chemistry I had.
The best presentation I have seen that argue Coherently, Cogently that we need to Reclaim and Refocus and shift from Reductionist approach that says we must leave out --God or Life requires an Intelligent Being to start this process.
I really treasure what Tour and Meyers are providing apologetics. Peter reminds me of Socrates as presented by Plato. Socrates claims to know nothing but knows his limitations of knowledge. These are three men who are not only intelligent but also wise. I could only wish that everyone would realize that all the pillars of neo Darwinian evolution have crumbled: abiogenesis, mutations plus natural selection, and the fossil record. Nevertheless, it is all the atheist has to cling to. The late Stephen J Gould knew that much of textbook orthodoxy was not supported by the data.
I have yet to hear of anyone attributing the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone (discovered by Bouchard) to random processes. To attribute those inscriptions to intelligent agency is not only a scientific observation, but any attribution of these inscriptions to random processes instead would be regarded as laughable. The DNA code in the cell (discovered by Watson & Crick) is far more complex, and FAR more unlikely than the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone. To prefer random processes to explain the DNA code, over the other explanation, that the ONLY known source of code is intelligent agency, is not only laughable, but clearly motivated by deeper imperatives; probably dominance contestation.
The fact is that the universe screams out that there's a designer, this is something that was 100% obvious in the far past until recently some scientists began to convince us that a garden had no gardner, a code had no coder and a car had no machanical engineer.
Actually, Professor Dave has already made a huge effort debunking James Tour: ruclips.net/p/PLybg94GvOJ9HzCxBR9f4oi7MvfVcKAS6O The one who tends to shout is in actually James Tour, as in his debate with Dave Farina: ruclips.net/video/KvGdllx9pJU/видео.html
This is a great discussion, even though it takes a lot of background knowledge to understand the topics being discussed. Time will reveal the importance of this series of discussions.
"The notion that not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order." -- Fred Hoyle -- he likened the theory to "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein"
@@Lancet75 ruclips.net/video/xIHMnD2FDeY/видео.html Dawkins sits mute/deaf/sub-moronic as actual achieved biologists, 2 Nobel laureates and Craig Venter ALL say: "it is IMPOSSIBLE that humans will EVER know life's origin". NOTHING about "abiogenesis" has advanced in the most utterly de minimis since Hoyle's metaphor. Chpt. 4 of The God Delusion, Dawkins invokes it only to elide out of ignorance or duplicity to existing life...CONVENIENTLY skipping addressing Hoyle's immutable truth. Other perhaps than Lee Cronin's famous; "origin of life science is a SCAM"
Actually just the opposite. A thousand tornados would break down a junk-yard into almost atomic elements. Life and evolution began from basic materials that existed at the time. Why is this so hard to contemplate?
Scientist here, I've been saying for years that the evolutionists have put the cart before the horse with their theory. They have built extremely elaborate fantasy castles in the air.
Not really. Biological evolution - Darwinism - is a phenomenon in and of itself, and can be studied and understood without consideration for the origin of life; in the same way that physicists are allowed to study, model and attempt to understand the universe in the absence of an explanation for its origin.
Much has been said by historians of Darwin's observations of the finches on the Galapagos islands while sailing on the Beagle, but little is mentioned of another incident Darwin had with some less fortunate birds on a different island during his voyage. We have three accounts of an excursion made by Darwin and the Captain from the Beagle to St. Paul's Rocks between the Cape Verde Islands and the coast of Brazil. First we shall read Darwin's version of the episode: " We found on St. Paul's only two kinds of birds-the booby and the noddy. The former is a species of Gannet, and the latter a tern. Both are of a tame and stupid disposition, and are so unaccustomed to visitors, that I could have killed any number of them with my geologic hammer." The Voyage of Charles Darwin, Charles Darwin, pp.10, The American Museum of Natural History, The Natural History Library, Anchor Books, Doubleday & Co., Inc., Garden City New York, 1962. Browne mentioned the appalling incident in her biography of Darwin: " Uninhabited except for dense flocks of seafowl, and previously unvisited by any scientific recorder, they were an alluring target for a restless naval man and an eager friend . . . Darwin and Fitzroy had a marvelous time of it, whooping and killing birds with abandon". Browne, pp.204. See also the original, Narrative of the Surveying Voyage of H.M.S. Adventure and Beagle, Vol. 2:56. Fitzroy recorded the bloody scene in his personal narrative as well. According to him, one of the seamen asked if he could borrow Darwin's hammer to kill some of the birds with, to which Darwin replied, "No, no, you'll break the handle." Then, apparently struck by the novelty of this idea, Darwin himself picked up his hammer and began killing the peaceful birds in this manner, as Fitzroy related "away went the hammer, with all the force of his own right arm." Narrative of the Voyages of the Adventure and Beagle, by Admiral Fitzroy, 1839. See also Amabel Williams Ellis, "The Voyage of the Beagle, Adapted from the Narratives and letters of Charles Darwin and Captain Fitzroy, pp. 26, J.B. Lippencott Co., Philadelphia and London, 1931.
Tour and Meyer are brilliant gentlemen, and i like millions of others became a believer (Christian) from a scientific perspective, not indoctrinated as a child (grew up in an agnostic family). The complexity and the evidence of design cannot be denied anymore, something created our species and all life on earth.
Once again a great conversation from the Hoover Institution basically showing how science disproves a self organizational process and how clueless we are when it comes to origin of life questions.
but I don't think it is clueless. You can't know that someting exists without any further info. I know you had a father but his existence IS absolutely all I know.
Fall to our knees everyday !!! Powerful stuff guys....the modern athiest is on shaky ground...this is almost like Jonah telling Nineva to repent and they beleiving him and doing it.
A most fascinating & highly rejuvenating discussion. Enlightening. Inspires an inward assessment of self. Inspires one to reconsider our scientific foundation & brings about intrigue, potentially drawing connections between areas of impasse in fields of science & fundamental reconsideration as ontological shock overcomes those who flaunted immunity. Foundations crumbled overnight & all this without weaving “ Disclosure “ into this fun sweater we underestimated the itchiness of. ‘How to think’ is a learned skill which became (dulled) in recent history in those aspects in which ‘the line of reason’ diminished so greatly that this evaporation suddenly found humankind & scientific establishment to re-hone the thinking talents which exponentially ushered in THE AGE OF ADVANCEMENT to begin with. Not only has the sharpener itself been lost, nobody recalls a manual or mode of operation.
The problem is those who claim to know how life begin not only stall but also discourage and deter those who try to know. Contrary to many false accusations, those who believe God is the final cause, they are the ones who try to know how God did it. They do not settle with, God did it, therefore no need to know how. God ordered them to seek to know. To know how is the step to know why. The why is the hole that every sages from the past to the present driven to fill. On the other side, to those who believe it is random, the question of why is already answered which is no reason Thus why really bother to spend the time and effort to know the how. Just get those money, grants to sustain their meaningless existance (by their own admission just ask them yourself, what is the meaning of life) The random dudes get in the way of the design dudes.
Absolutely fascinating these gentlemen have a wonderful way of explaining something that is mind boggling, thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us all
Peter Robinson is the greatest interviewer I have ever seen. An intense listener, and a mind so agile that he can receive almost ANY new contention and turn it into a point of clarity.
Peter please keep these coming! This content is contributing to a paradigm shift.
I love the dynamic of having Dr Meyer and Dr Tour on the same panel. They're both quite brilliant but really have a unique approach to debating the questions of origin of life. Dr Meyer is more measured while Dr Tour is more polemic. I had to pause at Dr Tour "a stinking pond" and laugh a little while I get ready for the rest of this.
Another fantastic show--thanks for having them on! Meyer (PhD Cambridge) and Tour (Rice chemistry prof, >650 research papers, >200 patents, H-index > 170) are highly intellectually credible. They deserve to be heard! So let's ignore the pro-cancellation comments from folks who want to suppress academically credible people like Meyer and Tour simply because they disagree with the majority. Let's stop the viewpoint suppression of dissenting scientific voices!
They are being refuted. Because their research papers and ideas have no substance and are constantly found to be lacking. They are led by faith and not evidence.
If they had credibility, then they would be listened to by the general scientific community.
They are as credible as Terrance Howard.
No way to stop it I think but you can still ignore it
I love these two guys. You should invite them on your podcast at least once per month.
A discussion like this requires a room like that!
Or a couple of REAL experts on the topic.
@@galileog8945like the ones in the video?? 😂
@@ayekaye8055evolutionary biologists
James Tour is so Great by the highest standards and yet he is still trying to tell everybody about Jesus Christ.. that’s incredible and it totally Strengthens my faith
Thank you, Peter, for bringing this VERY IMPORTANT discussion to the public. HIGHLY IMPORTANT.
Best part is at 44:30 where Tour explains that we still don't know what makes a call function. The top scientists can't explain what is "lost" from a cell seconds after the cell "dies" because it still has all the chemical components, yet something is lost. That something is not found in DNA or anywhere else. Its like "the force" in star wars because we don't know what it is, we just know it makes things tick.
Ah yes, another example of we don't know yet, therefore, God did it.
@@bionanoscience - Ah yes, another example of "We don't have a scientific explanation, but it can't be God."
@@bionanoscience no mention of God, you’re just projecting.
@@bionanoscience - Kind of reminds me of "Oh, we don't know, therefore evolution ...". Give me a break. Is that the best you can do?
@@bionanoscienceThis is a pure strawman. Tour says we need a better theory of the origin of life. We’ll never get it if we just keep saying this and stay at the same place.
Yessss!!! I will fall asleep listening to this. And will listen to it again tomorrow when I am awake. I cannot get enough of this topic.
A discussion challenging the concensus, popular culture and the scientific dogma. Thank you hoover institute
How does this discussion challenge scientific convention. No one is claiming to be able to explain how the cell evolved. What scientific convention are they challenging? This is just arguing against nothing and proposing nothing. Can he ask them both what their alternative is ? No because it would immediately shut down this discussion.
I want to thank the three of you for an extremely lucid discussion about the most amazing subject in the universe: Life.
Long will it remain a mystery, and the subject of study.
This chemical engineer hit the nail on the head, the scientist in the field of origin of life keep it going for the funding. To believe in intelligent design takes out the science. But it doesn’t, it still gives man a goal to unravel how it works. We may not figure out who designed life until we die, but faith helps get past that.
In the mid 40s, I remember the proverbial "primordial soup" model of life origin when I was still in grade school. No one questioned it. Same in high school science and biology classes of the late 40s and early 50s. In college, however, I just went on and studied mathematics, chemistry, physics, and electrical engineering. I like Dr. Meyers' statement about "undirected processes" which abound in the natural world versus the processes which occur in laboratories and manufacturing facilities. I think that point is central to all the origin of life questions. As an 89 year old retired engineer and mechanical guy who spent a lot of his lifetime fixin', repairin', buildin' old autos, auto engines, electric motors, washing machines, desktop computers, and my house. I have one pretty consistent observation from my years of getting stuff from auto junkyards. The stuff that's been in the junkyard the longest has rusted or deteriorated the most. Always reminded me of a fundamental "law" - No matter what you start with, if it is left without something continuously or repeatedly added in some organized ("directed") manner, it will decay, run down, stop working and absolutely end up becoming less than what you started with. Have never observed any exception to this.
The real myth busters, thank you, gentlemen.
One of the best, if not the best, UK episode I have yet watched. Peter Robinson is an excellent interviewer. Meyer and Tour are 2 fantastic minds and make for an excellent episode.
It's a very mid level pedaling of the same old creationists "arguments".
Loved this very interesting conversation between such learned men. Thank you!
When Steven Meyer and James Tour arrive in heaven, God is going to say to each, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." These two men have taken such abuse for stating the obvious. Such courage is inspiring, amazing and worthy of honor and respect.
Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour are awesome!
Peter is one of the all time best interviewers. Loved hearing Dr Tour and Dr Meyer
Mate he’s brilliant I found him so unintentionally funny aswell, the interviews with Thomas sowell are incredible!!
These two men are BASED. Thank you for this great video!
Love them together. The philosophy of science and science. Biology and Chemistry. Beautiful.
Thank you so much for this amazing discussion. Thank you for your courage and honesty. All three of you are using the talents given to you by your Designer to the utmost.
I have tons of respect for both of these men. And no one can match Peter as a host. Dr. Tour said what he hoped is that a younger generation will lay aside the prejudices of rank materialism and move in a more scientific direction. But I ask how can this happen so long as they are all immersed exclusively in the classroom with a single materialist cause for the origin of life.
I love this kind of discussion!
Loved it. Peter, Stephen and James give us a pretty good place to start, honesty and humility sparking fresh amazement.
I never tire of listening to these two men.
Wow, what a fantastic, well done, educational and informative video. Thank you for all the work (Peter Robinson & Guests) and for then sharing.
Such an incredible discussion!! I learn somethingvevery time I listen to Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour!!
Not only is Peter the best interviewer but he is prepared to cover these, er, rather important things, otherwise all but ignored.
Very thought provoking. What a privilege to see this.
Towards the end, when Stephen mentioned the students saying "no waaayyy" while learning what's happening inside the cell I wanted to laugh out loud, because that was ME in the early 90's, so over 30 years ago, in high school, learning biology. I remember clearly when I learned mitosis and the duplicated DNA chromosomes being pulled apart and then the cell dividing itself in two. That totally blew my mind. And it is just one of the millions of possible examples. As Dr James pointed, it's not just the DNA information storage. The whole thing SCREAMS design, wherever you look. If so many scientists weren't pushing their atheist religious dogmas so blindly, we could be making more progress. But then, would they be willing to confess they just don't know and they are even more clueless about it, the better microscopes get?
True scientists ❤. Dr. Tour is the best! Thank you for having these two future Nobel Peace Laureates on your show. The world needs more men like these. Thank you, gentlemen
One hundred and sixty five years later since "Origin of Species", and we're right back to where we started from, God said.
No, we are definitely not.
Peter, well done !! What a program you have made with Estelar guests and how much you know about the subject at hand.
No layman there !!
Mazal Tov !!!!!
Thank you for bringing together Meyer with Tour. That was a fantastic discussion
Easily the most profound and important issues facing today’s study of origins. Yet the willingly ignorant majority of the science community will proceed straining at gnats while swallowing camels because that’s where the research funding is focused. Bravo to all three of you for shining the light into the darkness and demonstrating the emperor of this world truly is naked. You all rock!
Fascinating conversation. Thank you for sharing
Amazing! Thank you for incredible content!
We do not seem to hear much mention of the work of Sir Fred Hoyle these days who published his book the "Intelligent Universe" in 1983. .To quote Hoyle: Did life start as a random process? No. "Imagine a blindfolded person trying to solve the Rubik cube. The chance against achieving perfect colour matching is about 50,000,000,000,000,000,000, to 1. These odds are about the same as those against just one of our body's 200,000 proteins having evolved randomly by chance" . Great interview.
This is strong. Thank you
Another awesome discussion. Please host more!!!
I was so hooked. This is so enlightening😊
A living cell occurring on Earth would be like a three story house occurring in the desert. But not just a three story house, but also finding the blue prints for how the house was built and maintained. And the house would have had to have builders that could read the blueprints and have arms and legs and a bunch of tools. And of course, these builders would need very specific materials at certain times and in a particular order. And also there is a danger of rain, fire, drought and other conditions while the building was going on.
There is just no way possible something like a cell or a house just came about on it's own and for no reason to come about.
this is a dramatic misrepresentation of abiogenesis theory
As a former materialistic evolutionist and atheist, it was evidence for catastrophic fluvial geomorphology that opened the door for me to explore Genesis from the view that its primarily an historical text.
Genetics and microbiology, ancient accounts, the fossil record and so much more points to Genesis as being plain history.
Do you hold to theistic evolution?
// As a former materialistic evolutionist and atheist //
Was that lobotomy painful?
No. It's a waste of time both in terms of science, history and theology. @@collin501
I'm not a big evolution guy but I enjoy watching these debates.
Amazing topic and very interesting and illuminating ideas. Thank you👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
In the origin of life there must be specific purposeful information which gives rise to that life. Where did the information, the epigenetic coding in the cell, originate?
"James Tour is performing chemical accounting on the OOL researchers." Well said, and it explains their disdain for him revealing that they are cooking the books.
Absolutely wonderful discussion ❤
Every theory must be reexamined as new science and studies develop. If something is true it should stand scrutiny. This is the true essence of debate and therefore the cornerstone of a civilized enlightened society.
but nothing has been proven true about the origin of life, that's why research and experiments continue, these 2 are just saying "it's too hard for US to understand, so God or aliens must have created life on earth". Intelligent design is not science, it offers no testable hypothesis.
Are we a “civilized and enlightened society”?
But if that scrutiny is squeed with mega $$$ being thrown into the questioning process in order to direct the outcome to a predetermined result how can true answers come to light. Scientist know in their heads & hearts the fakery of evolution BUT they must play "the game" so they can get paid on Friday. There's no courage in science. And who suffers ... the next generation being feed the lies and worked into the system.
This is the first time I’ve heard someone other than myself make the time objection - the idea that the first structure would be able to survive this supposed primordial soup and form the ability to replicate enough that they all survive and kick off the arc of life seemed ridiculous to me - and stumped every professor of biology and chemistry I had.
i think you're underestimating how easily bacteria replicates itself
Wonderful and fascinating conversation.
Oh boy the comment section is upset. Take it easy. People can have different ideas and share them. If you don’t think they have any validity so be it.
Very much agree.
There is a difference between conflictingn viewpoints and being plain wrong. I can say gravity doesn't exist, is that a different idea?
The best presentation I have seen that argue Coherently, Cogently that we need to Reclaim and Refocus and shift from Reductionist approach that says we must leave out --God or Life requires an Intelligent Being to start this process.
great session
I really treasure what Tour and Meyers are providing apologetics. Peter reminds me of Socrates as presented by Plato. Socrates claims to know nothing but knows his limitations of knowledge. These are three men who are not only intelligent but also wise. I could only wish that everyone would realize that all the pillars of neo Darwinian evolution have crumbled: abiogenesis, mutations plus natural selection, and the fossil record. Nevertheless, it is all the atheist has to cling to. The late Stephen J Gould knew that much of textbook orthodoxy was not supported by the data.
I have yet to hear of anyone attributing the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone (discovered by Bouchard) to random processes. To attribute those inscriptions to intelligent agency is not only a scientific observation, but any attribution of these inscriptions to random processes instead would be regarded as laughable.
The DNA code in the cell (discovered by Watson & Crick) is far more complex, and FAR more unlikely than the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone. To prefer random processes to explain the DNA code, over the other explanation, that the ONLY known source of code is intelligent agency, is not only laughable, but clearly motivated by deeper imperatives; probably dominance contestation.
Then what is the other, or any, other explanation? You dismiss this theory without giving an alternative.
The fact is that the universe screams out that there's a designer, this is something that was 100% obvious in the far past until recently some scientists began to convince us that a garden had no gardner, a code had no coder and a car had no machanical engineer.
And maggots spontaneously arose from rotting meat.
But apparently stupidy can arise from a complex brain.
There is no god,, grow up.
Who designed your alleged creator then? Lol
What other universes can you compare it to, to say it is designed rather than anything else?
I’m not hearing that from the universe. You can believe that if you want but I don’t see it.
Delightful, honest, thrilling discussion.
We can't find answers if we refuse to accept evidence because we don't like it.
Very thought provoking. Thanks.
Wow! Nice comment from Dr. Keating. It must have been good. "Professor " Dave must be next!
@@jamesmiller7457 professor dave is too busy shouting at his webcam
@@notloki3377 good point
Actually, Professor Dave has already made a huge effort debunking James Tour: ruclips.net/p/PLybg94GvOJ9HzCxBR9f4oi7MvfVcKAS6O
The one who tends to shout is in actually James Tour, as in his debate with Dave Farina: ruclips.net/video/KvGdllx9pJU/видео.html
Thank you for this amazing interview 🙏🙏❤
Thank you for posting this interview
Brilliant discussion. Very well done
exquisite!
Thank you so very much.
Zee zee
Beautiful conversation!
Thank you for this very thoughtful conversation!
What a fun discussion. Love these guys.
This is a great discussion, even though it takes a lot of background knowledge to understand the topics being discussed.
Time will reveal the importance of this series of discussions.
Oh this is going to be good! My favorite scientists and philosopher!
Great conversation.
awesome interview! amazing people
I really enjoy these talks main stream science is finally coming around to intelligent design
Great interview!
Outstanding interview and information. !!!!!
We can barely comprehend lifeless nanotechnology, let alone the advanced biotechnology that we are!
"The notion that not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order." -- Fred Hoyle -- he likened the theory to "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein"
Hoyle's remark is obsolete: Boeing 747 is a bad simile.
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Dawkins sits mute/deaf/sub-moronic as actual achieved biologists, 2 Nobel laureates
and Craig Venter ALL say: "it is IMPOSSIBLE that humans will EVER know life's origin".
NOTHING about "abiogenesis" has advanced in the most utterly de minimis since Hoyle's
metaphor. Chpt. 4 of The God Delusion, Dawkins invokes it only to elide out of ignorance
or duplicity to existing life...CONVENIENTLY skipping addressing Hoyle's immutable truth.
Other perhaps than Lee Cronin's famous; "origin of life science is a SCAM"
Actually just the opposite. A thousand tornados would break down a junk-yard into almost atomic elements. Life and evolution began from basic materials that existed at the time. Why is this so hard to contemplate?
A great discussion. Very, very elegant.
Thank you.
That was awesome!
Scientist here, I've been saying for years that the evolutionists have put the cart before the horse with their theory. They have built extremely elaborate fantasy castles in the air.
true that!
Yes, for sure they are the one who believes in fairy tales I actually believe in the one true living God who created all things
Not really. Biological evolution - Darwinism - is a phenomenon in and of itself, and can be studied and understood without consideration for the origin of life; in the same way that physicists are allowed to study, model and attempt to understand the universe in the absence of an explanation for its origin.
How you explain or what is your best guess of the diversity among extant and extinct organisms for the last 3.8 billion years on planet earth?
What is an evolutionist😮
This will open the question about the divine origin of life.
i gave a thumbs up. i just loved this discushion and love the show. bible beleving creationest here but i appreciated both sides argument
Excellent, excellent
Much has been said by historians of Darwin's observations of the finches on the Galapagos islands while sailing on the Beagle, but little is mentioned of another incident Darwin had with some less fortunate birds on a different island during his voyage. We have three accounts of an excursion made by Darwin and the Captain from the Beagle to St. Paul's Rocks between the Cape Verde Islands and the coast of Brazil.
First we shall read Darwin's version of the episode: " We found on St. Paul's only two kinds of birds-the booby and the noddy. The former is a species of Gannet, and the latter a tern. Both are of a tame and stupid disposition, and are so unaccustomed to visitors, that I could have killed any number of them with my geologic hammer." The Voyage of Charles Darwin, Charles Darwin, pp.10, The American Museum of Natural History, The Natural History Library, Anchor Books, Doubleday & Co., Inc., Garden City New York, 1962.
Browne mentioned the appalling incident in her biography of Darwin: " Uninhabited except for dense flocks of seafowl, and previously unvisited by any scientific recorder, they were an alluring target for a restless naval man and an eager friend . . . Darwin and Fitzroy had a marvelous time of it, whooping and killing birds with abandon". Browne, pp.204. See also the original, Narrative of the Surveying Voyage of H.M.S. Adventure and Beagle, Vol. 2:56.
Fitzroy recorded the bloody scene in his personal narrative as well. According to him, one of the seamen asked if he could borrow Darwin's hammer to kill some of the birds with, to which Darwin replied, "No, no, you'll break the handle." Then, apparently struck by the novelty of this idea, Darwin himself picked up his hammer and began killing the peaceful birds in this manner, as Fitzroy related "away went the hammer, with all the force of his own right arm." Narrative of the Voyages of the Adventure and Beagle, by Admiral Fitzroy, 1839. See also Amabel Williams Ellis, "The Voyage of the Beagle, Adapted from the Narratives and letters of Charles Darwin and Captain Fitzroy, pp. 26, J.B. Lippencott Co., Philadelphia and London, 1931.
Great interview!
Great discussion.
I've enjoyed the discussions and hopefully several to come. Good job, thanks boys. Peace ✌️ 😎 from the free west?
I’ve been waiting for Dr. Tour on one of these Uncommon Knowledge sessions.
Tour and Meyer are brilliant gentlemen, and i like millions of others became a believer (Christian) from a scientific perspective, not indoctrinated as a child (grew up in an agnostic family). The complexity and the evidence of design cannot be denied anymore, something created our species and all life on earth.
Loving this! Thank you!
Once again a great conversation from the Hoover Institution basically showing how science disproves a self organizational process and how clueless we are when it comes to origin of life questions.
but I don't think it is clueless. You can't know that someting exists without any further info. I know you had a father but his existence IS absolutely all I know.
Fall to our knees everyday !!! Powerful stuff guys....the modern athiest is on shaky ground...this is almost like Jonah telling Nineva to repent and they beleiving him and doing it.
am addicted to Hoover Videos now
A most fascinating & highly rejuvenating discussion. Enlightening. Inspires an inward assessment of self. Inspires one to reconsider our scientific foundation & brings about intrigue, potentially drawing connections between areas of impasse in fields of science & fundamental reconsideration as ontological shock overcomes those who flaunted immunity. Foundations crumbled overnight & all this without weaving “ Disclosure “ into this fun sweater we underestimated the itchiness of.
‘How to think’ is a learned skill which became (dulled) in recent history in those aspects in which ‘the line of reason’ diminished so greatly that this evaporation suddenly found humankind & scientific establishment to re-hone the thinking talents which exponentially ushered in THE AGE OF ADVANCEMENT to begin with.
Not only has the sharpener itself been lost, nobody recalls a manual or mode of operation.
The problem is those who claim to know how life begin not only stall but also discourage and deter those who try to know.
Contrary to many false accusations, those who believe God is the final cause, they are the ones who try to know how God did it. They do not settle with, God did it, therefore no need to know how. God ordered them to seek to know. To know how is the step to know why.
The why is the hole that every sages from the past to the present driven to fill.
On the other side, to those who believe it is random, the question of why is already answered which is no reason
Thus why really bother to spend the time and effort to know the how. Just get those money, grants to sustain their meaningless existance (by their own admission just ask them yourself, what is the meaning of life)
The random dudes get in the way of the design dudes.
😂😂😂, a brutal honest opinion. They dont have right to do something but do that because the money is good.
Thank you so very much Peter.
Wonderful episode! Much respect!
Absolutely fascinating these gentlemen have a wonderful way of explaining something that is mind boggling, thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us all