An invitation was extended to Han Kang, who declined. Literature laureates, when they agree to participate, do certainly bring a unique dimension to the discussions. Check out Nobel Minds 2021 for Abdulrazak Gurna, Nobel Minds 2017 with Kazuo Ishiguro or Nobel Minds 2015 and Svetlana Alexievich. Thanks for watching!
I love how much they disagree and are comfortable with it. It lets them get to much deeper discussions than if they were afraid to say something contrarian.
Its called Dialectic, the conversation base of science and philosophy. If everyone would get emotions involved things would go extremely slow and impure.
I think that's a trait of truly intelligent people; being comfortable disagreeing simply for the sake of discourse and potential enlightenment via world broadening. I'm sure these men have some egos, but also believe they've excelled so well in their respective fields because their egos do not hamper their ability to collaborate and learn and listen. And this has to be one of those kind of roundtables that garners a lot of respect for one another which might also be easier to give since none of them are competitors with each other. I'm sure there are secret rivalries and such in each of their areas within their respective little smarty pants circles.
The fact that people miss out on so much knowledge and intelligence is mind-blogging. RUclips please make algorithms such that younger people see more things like this than random videos. I love that despite all disagreements, they agreed that it's our fault that we are going to end our civilization.
This video is about 100x too long for the average Gen Z. Not being juvenophobic, I'm gen z and the media that my peers choose to consume is disappointing. I know people who literally can't watch a movie or episode of a show anymore without getting their phone out. Of course that's not everyone though and I agree science/intellectual content should be promoted more.
On that note, why do Nobel Minds not talk about directing the monetary system towards a rewarding only “the-good-will”. We always talk about utility in finance. But what I do not get is how do we define ‘utility’? If utility is pure personal happiness within the ethical norms of our society, then we should start from there & redefine the wrong naming of utility=money, but utility=feeling of happiness. So, the question now is: when you perform a task on any profession, you should be paid, not entirely because of the work you put in, but: - wether your were adding value to the society & - whether you felt good & valuable. The moment this changes from initiation of the monetary system, that is when you align incentives with humanity’s goals. But again it is good to re-focus the terms of ‘utility != money’, but ‘utility=hearted-happiness’. A re-name of the word money would serve as a good start.
@@C-Llama We find ourselves in a proverbial ocean of crack where osmotic pressures begin to override homeostasis. In this phase change of the millions of years old ('C'>'c') Cybernetics & Informatics arms race, another great dying is already upon us. I recommend empathy for your peers' co-opted humanity - I fear we may be in short supply of both sooner rather than later.
Please Nobel prize team, Extend the Time for this Show, Most of Us will not see them again together, discussing their thoughts without context of a lectures.
lmao. Dude wrongly assumed AI only helps the rich. Students get free essays written for them, it helps me write basic programs for free, and furries get to look at 100-tentacled waifus.
at 39:28 after that deep and valid point by the speaker the lady laughed it and moved to some video. Why on Earth would you stop that conversation at such a significant point ?
Agreed, after they shut that down it was clear they didn't really want to discuss anything of any real consequence. He made the most important point of the whole programme and it was treated like nothing.
Ditto. And he has very valid concerns about the potential hazards of AI that many of the other gents around the table didn't seem to take as seriously as he's advocating to, which was a shame to see.
These talks are amazing because they really drive the point that people need to have strong opinions about what they're experts on, and mostly shut their pipeholes about what they don't know.
This discussion became quite deep but unfortunately was getting cut off constantly. The truth is, these notable people want to really share their opinion but they are stopped due to external factors, like fear from intelligence agencies, things like whistleblowers getting silenced and etc. This is what makes me quite sad that we will never get to understand the full truth and just have to ponder on what will happen ourselves.
I think we all have a faint picture of what the 'truth' looks like. But we are constantly drowned in this constant information overload, burying the answers. We're too easily distracted.
Reality is complex, and no one detains the truth. These people disagree on several points. Understanding everything at a deep level is not humanly possible. History has shown that great inventions are instrumentalized by the most powerful, that is what I find sad… As they said, we came close to obliterate the earth, that is what is truly terrifying.
After watching the 2019 Nobel laureates discussion with Zainab Badawi, I got addicted to science and economics and here we are 2024 fascinated by scientist and economist for their groundbreaking discoveries in their various disciplines.
@@snowballeffect7812but the level of expertise they have achieved in their own field is outstanding. It's easier to be a generalist than a specialist, and not to mention a specialist worthy of winning the Nobel prize.
It is fascinating to observe that even Nobel laureates are not immune to the influence of their beliefs, biases, and political inclinations. When contemplating the unknown or envisioning the future, we humans often rely on preconceived notions to construct meaning and prepare for uncertainties and I think this capacity for imagination, combined with other critical traits, has undoubtedly played a pivotal role in our evolutionary trajectory, establishing us as one of the most manipulative species on Earth.
Human nature is human nature and that can't be taken away from us, but what we can do is have more and more of these discussions between the greatest minds out there and have the world watch over it, and the more and more these discussions are had and the more we're all able to see from multiple perspectives, and shifting perspectives, the more we would be able to understand each other and see our differences and similarities. These minds have achieved what they have achieve EXACTLY because of their beliefs and biases. It's not to say that they're right or they're wrong. Who are we to say oh you're right and you're wrong? That's our own bias no? But we need more of these discussions that can guide us in a direction toward the greater good for all of Earth and not just humanity. My bias, decentralization. Peer-to-peer network. Smart-contracts that cannot be intercepted and corrupted by an intermediary. Full transparency. That is the only way forward for the greater good. But hey, who am I to say that's right or that's wrong. I'm just a human evolved from star dust.
Only one of the most manipulative? I would say that no other species comes even close in comparison, even the mimic octopus confusing predators and prey with camouflage or the alligator snapping turtle that has a tongue that looks like a worm to bait small fish into its mouth.
Ya, that Gary guy was concerning tbh. The US is one of the best bad actors in the world. To not see that is wild to me. To have accepted US propaganda against other nations is even wilder. I fear that his lack of interest in humans points to something more dangerous about him and his work.
Aiming for a Noble Price is a low ball - Aim to be of the greatest service to the whole instead - think and envision your path beyond the current century and help us all, to make humanity a species of saints.
A perfect discussion about artificial intelligence! Thank you for all Lauretes and Zaynab Badawi for this program. (I want to mention that it is always inspiring to hear from Acemoğlu & Co.)
Solethu Nkosi from South Africa. Watching and listening to the groundbreaking discoveries in sciences and economics. Physics background with C3 rating.
There's a constant reference to what "we as a society are going to do with AI" when it's blatantly obvious that society is on the receiving end of AI applications driven by corporate/military interests, not the decision making end.
Bingo. Ordinary citizens don't have the technical or social power to harness AI with broad effect. We will use what is distributed, after many successive filters, from people who thought it all out much earlier. So it goes
15:08 Let it be known that one of the inventors of television, Philo T Fransworth was also not optimistic about the advances of television. He once warned his child about tv: "There's nothing on it worthwhile, and we're not going to watch it in this household, and I don't want it in your intellectual diet."
And just like the television that has ended up in the hands of the bad actors and become an expensive propaganda machine, so will AI unless our governments keep up with stringent regulations.
Machine for advertising that gets dumbed down by advertising metrics that favor ages 15-40 and needing to avoid any statements that would reduce advertising revenue. Competition is supposedly good for supply and demand but it also prevents balanced programming because networks that don't constantly maximize profit will get outmaneuvered and bought out by profit machines. That's why the British nationalized the air waves with the BBC. Americans only have PBS in a sea of MTV junk but even PBS is mostly children's programming and news that is partially sponsored by corporations. Hallmark channel, wholesome, but not a lot of learning. Dept of Ed is a national department but can't stay astride private schools which are often small and don't have a national presence.
Great respect to you all the great people. If the world was governed by people like you and not the politicians, it would’ve been at peace and tranquillity by now. With gratitude!
Thank you for organizing this wonderful session. This congregation of ideas from the best brains of the wold is inspiring. The moderator did a good job. Appreciate it. Acemoglu, Habassis, Gary, David, why, everyone did their best. Thank you gentlemen. May more innovative ideas emerge. Big salute to all.
I've heard a lot of AI debates in which someone brings forward an argument that AI will not put humans completely out of work, in a way similar to how happened in history. This does not consider the fact that every time a technological innovation killed a job sector, it was only one job sector, as the said innovation was specific. This is not the case this time around. This is the first innovation that is truly general in nature. It won't take away one sector, but all at once, from manual labour to research on the edge of the known and unknown. I like to imagine humans doing nothing but explore other planets and star systems, and let AI do all the work. Either that or we become cyborgs by combining the high knowledge capacity artificial neurons with our biological neurons to instantly become as intelligent as the AI itself. In that way, our conscious self remains in control (hopefully).
Yet our pets seem to live comfortable happy lives. The idea of humans have to work, is but an ignorant ideology for going into the future. Work = humans owning humans.
Excellent interviewer, kept it fresh and dynamic. I like that they point to the darker sides and weren’t too self congratulatory. I am surprised by the strong and clear condemnation of colonialism of the economists, that with a little bit more color in their team would make it even more interesting. Looking forward to finding out and learning more about the prize recipients. Congratulations!
Nah, interviewer was not that good. So many missed opportunities to dive deeper and let the speaker, you know, actually speak. Also, dramatic reactions to their answers was unnecessary.
🎉 great conversation. I hope humanity will heed prof. Geoffrey Hinton's urgent sensible warning, and that we should act now to figure out how we'll stay in control, future proof.
Daron Acemoğlu's Nobel Prize is a proud moment for Turkey, highlighting his groundbreaking contributions to economics. His work on institutions and development has shaped global understanding and inspired many. Acemoğlu’s achievement is a testament to the power of knowledge and dedication, making Turkey proud on the world stage.
I appreciate this initiative a lot, thank you for gathering such brilliant minds around a round table to discuss matters of our time. I will say that I wished they had taken more risks and offered more thought provoking answers.
Thanks for this talk and congratulations to the NP winners -from France🇫🇷. But I’m surprised by the little interest these great thinkers have for philosophy. I thought that consciousness, sentience and subjective experience were philosophical questions long before science got interested in it. Same for human existence and human actions. Science and Philosophy must coexist for the benefit of Humanity, more than ever in our times of great danger
My take on this is that it's crucial for AI safety to objectively get the nature of generative AI right and how it compares to our biological being. That requires a scientific approach, while philosophers might confuse this quest with vague terms and interpretations without evidence. That might obscure objective reality and therefore work against timely AI safety solutions. With this extremely powerful technology and AI race we can't afford to get it wrong.
Yes , that's why i felt the table missed the presence of Han kang , the literature laureate and also the peace prize laureate , Ai can describe the taste of salt but has never tasted it
@@sanskarvsahu1375 fish have tasted salt, but cannot describe it. To us at least. Yes humans are special, but we like to believe that because we are humans. No?
A lot of specialties become very advanced , so philosophers can't know all the aspects , which makes philosophy for my point of view in this era a very subjective and not scientific.......I think
Zeinab Badawi is pretty cool. She goes deep into a subject with such light-hearted and ease . And she travels to another next point , in a flow . It feels connected. We are fortunate to watch these great minds coming together and share their views. Thank you Noble minds
Gary Ruvkun's discovery of microRNAs is groundbreaking, and his ability to explain such complex science with humor and a conversational tone is unmatched! 🧬✨ Every talk feels like a perfect blend of brilliance and authenticity-always inspiring to watch! 👏🔥
Every sentence that comes out of Geoffrey Hinton leaves me stunned. An intellectual expert on not only in his subjects but also understands society and humanity. Truly deserving of the prize. Would love to attend his lecture.
I look forward to Nobel Minds each year. How unfortunate this year's only woman Laureate was not part of the conversation which whilst excellent was the lesser for it.
Six Nobel Lauretts discussing at one table !!! Mr.GaryRuvkun, Mr.Daron Acemoglu, Mr.Geoffrey Hinton , Mr.James Robinson, Mr.David Bakery & Mr.Demis Hessabis.!!! Great Achievement.!!!💐👍🇳🇪
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I am moved to the brink of tears. It is profoundly beautiful that humanity has fostered an institution of such remarkable scientific excellence, one that has been cultivated over generations to honor the most prestigious achievements of our brightest minds. Each year, these exceptional individuals push the boundaries of knowledge and innovation, striving tirelessly to create a better future for us all. This represents the highest ideals of civilization, a testament to what humanity can achieve at its best. Those gathered in this room embody the true pinnacle of society, deserving far greater admiration and recognition than fleeting fame bestowed upon sports stars. Their contributions give me hope for the future of mankind, and I write this with tears in my eyes.
Man, I can't help but feel that these gentlemen, particularly Prof. Hinton, have a wealth of hard hitting ideas they hesitate to voice. I could clearly imagine this conversation diving into truly fascinating territory if they weren't being filmed or interrupted.
Daron Acemoglu is representative of my small nation. Huge respect for all scientists. Scientists should be treated as heroes. With love from Armenia. 2:24
Great question about the solution to the problem of institutions pointed out by economists... I think, in as much as it's recommended to develop them organically, external influence and regional and even global cooperation towards the development of strong institutions with recourse to contextual differences is the way forward. Most foreign capital modules particularly to SSA or Africa, now focus on institutions spearheaded by democratization and sustainable development.
Technology can be define as puting to work Philosophical thinking. Safe to say Deep thinking or critical thinking which is Philosophy is the begining of Science Practise
This year's Nobel Minds perhaps was the most controversial. When you have a Nobel Laureate saying Humans are overrated while comparing it against an LLM model that's when you know it's going to be a rather demotivating session. And it did not stop there, it became worse when another Nobel Laureate from the position of a privilege defensively questioned the large economic disparity we have seen in society as technology evolved over the past century. Why is it too hard to accept technology as a double-edged sword?
I hope to make contributions to humanity in physics, chemistry and literature that are Nobel prize worthy, regardless of whether I win the prize or not. Progress is more important than ego.
Nice video! Maybe this video from the Noble Prize channel, about the Nobel Minds 2024 should get a noble prize for the share-of-minds-knowledge within the community of the Noble Prize.
Early stoppage! Next year, please let them go at it for another 1 without any intermediate! this was amazing by all means, I think the mediator did much better than previous years. For some reason, I remember the question "Where do these ideas come from?" that was asked from a previous year. I loved the thinking of you sound crazy until you aren't that was shared among all laureates. Garry was the more heart warming individual in my opinion. I changed my mind on Geoffrey, I agree 100% with what he says, the media doesn't do him justice. The economics price was interesting, much better than nudging in my opinion - but I always find the economics Nobel prize very conservative, as in, not a lot of really out there papers, but that's fine, not like we can run economics experiments in the real world. Demis as always, a genius but I'd like to see a state of art chain of though model compete with him at a number of tasks for 24h, I think after those 24h he'd end up understanding he agrees with Geoffrey. Chemistry, medicine and peace were all great and everyone had great points, arguments and moments to collaborate in the conversaiton. Overall, it was a very kind group of intellectual that I wish were left unsupervised for at least 1h to have a conversation. Maybe a little bit supervised to give the discussions justice and not let any ego takeover and make other feel unheard. amazing amazing amazing, I love these videos and wish one day to work as hard and get as lucky to be sitting in one of these chairs one day. also, great questions from the audience.
i wish i had the time to collect all prof.hinton's jokes he likes to sprinkle in all his talks and interviews. i wish all LLMs can answer with humor and often, as he does.
These discussions definitely need to be longer! With all the Nobel Laureates of the year gathering together, it's not fair to have only 50 min allotted to the discussion. These laureates likely won't gather together again in a public forum such as this.
"the kind of philosophy we don't need I think is philosophers talking about Consciousness and sentience and subjective experience I think understanding those is a scientific problem and we'll be better off without philosophers" 🔥 Hinton absolutely swinging! 🤣
It's a pretty solid argument, given that we already had spiritual gurus n philosophers even before Aristotle n Socrates. It's the age of neuroscience n meditative thinking now.
@@teodordl nah he is 100% on point. screw analytic philosophy and its focus on fake problems that effect no one. "philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it" karl marx theses on feurbach 1845
While scientific inquiry into consciousness is vital, dismissing the entire role of philosophy is very shortsighted. Philosophy serves as the foundation for understanding the ethical, metaphysical, and existential implications of such studies dimensions that science alone cannot fully address. Claiming we’d be "better off without philosophers" ignores how deeply philosophical frameworks influence the very questions science seeks to answer. This kind of depositioning undervalues the interdisciplinary dialogue necessary for a holistic understanding of consciousness. Both disciplines are stronger together than apart. One person of interest that solidifies this framework is 1900s polymath Michael Polanyi
@@Tay-ho6sg But only beacause of all those past philosophers we have now something like neuroscience. A thing that I really like to enfatize is that: when newton published his great work it was called "Philosophiae naturalis principia mathematica" which is "mathematical principles of the natural philosophy". Modern science have some methods? Yes, it definetly have some. But it is still essencially philosophy with math.
Where is Han Kang, please?
This is the boys club!
There have been a total of 65 female Nobel laureates as opposed to a total of 905 male Nobel laureates since 1901.
An invitation was extended to Han Kang, who declined. Literature laureates, when they agree to participate, do certainly bring a unique dimension to the discussions. Check out Nobel Minds 2021 for Abdulrazak Gurna, Nobel Minds 2017 with Kazuo Ishiguro or Nobel Minds 2015 and Svetlana Alexievich. Thanks for watching!
@@NobelPrize any reason for her decline?
@@NobelPrize Thank you for the response. This information should have been provided in the opening comments. If it was then I missed it.
I love how much they disagree and are comfortable with it. It lets them get to much deeper discussions than if they were afraid to say something contrarian.
Exactly! The goal of debate is to arrive at the truth, not conformity
I mean, they are Nobel Prize laureates, it'd be more surprising if they weren't open-minded.
Its called Dialectic, the conversation base of science and philosophy. If everyone would get emotions involved things would go extremely slow and impure.
@@littlelilacbunnyYet 9/10 dental experts agree on fluoride toothpaste. Is someone lying?
I think that's a trait of truly intelligent people; being comfortable disagreeing simply for the sake of discourse and potential enlightenment via world broadening. I'm sure these men have some egos, but also believe they've excelled so well in their respective fields because their egos do not hamper their ability to collaborate and learn and listen. And this has to be one of those kind of roundtables that garners a lot of respect for one another which might also be easier to give since none of them are competitors with each other. I'm sure there are secret rivalries and such in each of their areas within their respective little smarty pants circles.
The fact that people miss out on so much knowledge and intelligence is mind-blogging. RUclips please make algorithms such that younger people see more things like this than random videos. I love that despite all disagreements, they agreed that it's our fault that we are going to end our civilization.
This video is about 100x too long for the average Gen Z. Not being juvenophobic, I'm gen z and the media that my peers choose to consume is disappointing. I know people who literally can't watch a movie or episode of a show anymore without getting their phone out. Of course that's not everyone though and I agree science/intellectual content should be promoted more.
It is too easy to get caught up in mindless entertainment and pretend life is ok. We should always better ourself and seek knowledge.
Gen Z here - not too long for half of us I can tell you
On that note, why do Nobel Minds not talk about directing the monetary system towards a rewarding only “the-good-will”.
We always talk about utility in finance. But what I do not get is how do we define ‘utility’?
If utility is pure personal happiness within the ethical norms of our society, then we should start from there & redefine the wrong naming of utility=money, but utility=feeling of happiness.
So, the question now is: when you perform a task on any profession, you should be paid, not entirely because of the work you put in, but:
- wether your were adding value to the society &
- whether you felt good & valuable.
The moment this changes from initiation of the monetary system, that is when you align incentives with humanity’s goals.
But again it is good to re-focus the terms of ‘utility != money’, but ‘utility=hearted-happiness’.
A re-name of the word money would serve as a good start.
@@C-Llama We find ourselves in a proverbial ocean of crack where osmotic pressures begin to override homeostasis.
In this phase change of the millions of years old ('C'>'c') Cybernetics & Informatics arms race, another great dying is already upon us. I recommend empathy for your peers' co-opted humanity - I fear we may be in short supply of both sooner rather than later.
Please Nobel prize team, Extend the Time for this Show, Most of Us will not see them again together, discussing their thoughts without context of a lectures.
agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I love how Hinton just sits quietly and drops in such valid points on the table whenever given a chance to speak. I hope they took him seriously.
He spoke just a few sentences but the words he spoke left such a huge impact
bro is so funny lol
Hinton and hopfield are afraid of their creations since they're the creators we should be wary
he seems to be the only one to approach issues in an academic way, Demis just speaks out of his ass.
lmao. Dude wrongly assumed AI only helps the rich. Students get free essays written for them, it helps me write basic programs for free, and furries get to look at 100-tentacled waifus.
at 39:28 after that deep and valid point by the speaker the lady laughed it and moved to some video. Why on Earth would you stop that conversation at such a significant point ?
Agreed, after they shut that down it was clear they didn't really want to discuss anything of any real consequence. He made the most important point of the whole programme and it was treated like nothing.
The elites who would be hosting a conversation between Nobel Laureates don't want anybody trashing capitalism.
yeah that needed more discussion, I hope she had asked the economists of their opinion
Offcourse she wouldn't want to Trigger her Capitalist boses
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This is the first time IN SO MANY YEARS - that I see Nobel Laureates speak in these sessions without any FILTERS!! Incredible point of views
I'm so happy to see that half a million people watch these type of discussions. Kudos
Greatly admire how wonderful, lively and engaging this conversation is! So much to learn and to work for!
I love Hintons blunt honest style lol
Ditto. And he has very valid concerns about the potential hazards of AI that many of the other gents around the table didn't seem to take as seriously as he's advocating to, which was a shame to see.
He's cracking me up 😂
Especially at 18:20
Loved how he was like "Why are you asking me, I'm not working for a huge corporation" and Demis just stayed silent for the whole of the conversation 😂
He speaks the truth!
These talks are amazing because they really drive the point that people need to have strong opinions about what they're experts on, and mostly shut their pipeholes about what they don't know.
As a practicing artist for 50 years, you are spot on. Opinions mean nothing. Only questions are important.
What you described is the key indicator of a truly intelligent individual. Those who possess knowledge recognize how little is actually known.
@Nobel Prize please make these longer than 50 minutes! They could easily be many hours long and I would still listen
Agreed!
Exactly! It seemed more like going to a luncheon.
This discussion became quite deep but unfortunately was getting cut off constantly. The truth is, these notable people want to really share their opinion but they are stopped due to external factors, like fear from intelligence agencies, things like whistleblowers getting silenced and etc. This is what makes me quite sad that we will never get to understand the full truth and just have to ponder on what will happen ourselves.
Limit of time or human attention span!
I think we all have a faint picture of what the 'truth' looks like. But we are constantly drowned in this constant information overload, burying the answers. We're too easily distracted.
such a conspiracy theory, dear. the fact is limited time and people's poor attention span these days. This shapes the recording of an event.
@@bachtuyetdang1094I quite was not able to understand your statement, will you please explain it
Reality is complex, and no one detains the truth. These people disagree on several points. Understanding everything at a deep level is not humanly possible. History has shown that great inventions are instrumentalized by the most powerful, that is what I find sad… As they said, we came close to obliterate the earth, that is what is truly terrifying.
After watching the 2019 Nobel laureates discussion with Zainab Badawi, I got addicted to science and economics and here we are 2024 fascinated by scientist and economist for their groundbreaking discoveries in their various disciplines.
Excellent video. This is the best example of how argumentations should be done. Confortable with disagreeing, just using knowledge and ideas.
Always amazing to watch smart guys thinking about smart things! Keep changing the world
some of these guys are clearly not smart as soon as they put a single step outside of their field of expertise lol.
@@snowballeffect7812but the level of expertise they have achieved in their own field is outstanding. It's easier to be a generalist than a specialist, and not to mention a specialist worthy of winning the Nobel prize.
@snowballeffect7812 why should they?
@@snowballeffect7812 well, they do not necessarily have to be smart in other fields 🤔
@@snowballeffect7812 you cannot be as smart in everything because time is limited
Those gems with such smartness whenever zero points of Egos. Congratulations Laureates ❤🎉
I wait for these discussions every year! Thank you for organising them.
Watching from Nepal, Huge respect to all Noble Laureate 2024 and thank you Noble committee to make this wonderful talk with Honors.
Excellent discussions with scholars of various areas. Very useful.
It is fascinating to observe that even Nobel laureates are not immune to the influence of their beliefs, biases, and political inclinations.
When contemplating the unknown or envisioning the future, we humans often rely on preconceived notions to construct meaning and prepare for uncertainties and I think this capacity for imagination, combined with other critical traits, has undoubtedly played a pivotal role in our evolutionary trajectory, establishing us as one of the most manipulative species on Earth.
Sound judgement
Human nature is human nature and that can't be taken away from us, but what we can do is have more and more of these discussions between the greatest minds out there and have the world watch over it, and the more and more these discussions are had and the more we're all able to see from multiple perspectives, and shifting perspectives, the more we would be able to understand each other and see our differences and similarities. These minds have achieved what they have achieve EXACTLY because of their beliefs and biases. It's not to say that they're right or they're wrong. Who are we to say oh you're right and you're wrong? That's our own bias no? But we need more of these discussions that can guide us in a direction toward the greater good for all of Earth and not just humanity.
My bias, decentralization. Peer-to-peer network. Smart-contracts that cannot be intercepted and corrupted by an intermediary. Full transparency. That is the only way forward for the greater good. But hey, who am I to say that's right or that's wrong. I'm just a human evolved from star dust.
Only one of the most manipulative? I would say that no other species comes even close in comparison, even the mimic octopus confusing predators and prey with camouflage or the alligator snapping turtle that has a tongue that looks like a worm to bait small fish into its mouth.
Ya, that Gary guy was concerning tbh. The US is one of the best bad actors in the world. To not see that is wild to me. To have accepted US propaganda against other nations is even wilder. I fear that his lack of interest in humans points to something more dangerous about him and his work.
Why this language for a comment ?
I hope i get this prize some day
I hope everybody earns a prize one day for 'noble' behaviour
Aiming for a Noble Price is a low ball - Aim to be of the greatest service to the whole instead - think and envision your path beyond the current century and help us all, to make humanity a species of saints.
For writing YT comments :)
someday you will goodluck
@@ADAMBLVCK keep dreaming buddy!
I love these discussions. They should make these discussions mandatory in schools
Manifesting that I’ll be at that table someday.
FOR THE GREATER GOOD!
Yes u will❤❤
That just mean you acknowledge it won’t ever happen
you got this!
THE GREATER GOOD
You can do it just keep trying
Thank you all for making this world a better place.
A perfect discussion about artificial intelligence! Thank you for all Lauretes and Zaynab Badawi for this program. (I want to mention that it is always inspiring to hear from Acemoğlu & Co.)
Solethu Nkosi from South Africa. Watching and listening to the groundbreaking discoveries in sciences and economics. Physics background with C3 rating.
Okay?
@@theresnothingness you learned how CV's in South Africa work now
And?
my guy had to write this to confirm attendance for his zoom class
There's a constant reference to what "we as a society are going to do with AI" when it's blatantly obvious that society is on the receiving end of AI applications driven by corporate/military interests, not the decision making end.
Bingo. Ordinary citizens don't have the technical or social power to harness AI with broad effect. We will use what is distributed, after many successive filters, from people who thought it all out much earlier. So it goes
15:08 Let it be known that one of the inventors of television, Philo T Fransworth was also not optimistic about the advances of television. He once warned his child about tv: "There's nothing on it worthwhile, and we're not going to watch it in this household, and I don't want it in your intellectual diet."
Same with AI now
And just like the television that has ended up in the hands of the bad actors and become an expensive propaganda machine, so will AI unless our governments keep up with stringent regulations.
I fear AI is a different beast...thus your analogy is on a tangent.
Still true
Machine for advertising that gets dumbed down by advertising metrics that favor ages 15-40 and needing to avoid any statements that would reduce advertising revenue. Competition is supposedly good for supply and demand but it also prevents balanced programming because networks that don't constantly maximize profit will get outmaneuvered and bought out by profit machines. That's why the British nationalized the air waves with the BBC. Americans only have PBS in a sea of MTV junk but even PBS is mostly children's programming and news that is partially sponsored by corporations. Hallmark channel, wholesome, but not a lot of learning. Dept of Ed is a national department but can't stay astride private schools which are often small and don't have a national presence.
Great respect to you all the great people. If the world was governed by people like you and not the politicians, it would’ve been at peace and tranquillity by now. With gratitude!
Or maybe it was once governed by politicians and now only governed by corporate interest from 1980 on. Hopefully the people will stand soon!
I could listen to them speaking all day,
this show must be more than 3 hours. to discuss their thoughts more and more.
Malaysia mentioned :)) Thank you Mahathir, and also Lee Kuan Yew made the spot as well at 30.07.
Thank you for organizing this wonderful session. This congregation of ideas from the best brains of the wold is inspiring. The moderator did a good job. Appreciate it. Acemoglu, Habassis, Gary, David, why, everyone did their best. Thank you gentlemen. May more innovative ideas emerge. Big salute to all.
After seeing these men talk, I am more certain that we are lost as humans trying to govern and understand ourselves.
can you explain
Higher Power
This was such a turn on; thank you for the upload! 👍
Waiting for this discussion since the announcements
I've heard a lot of AI debates in which someone brings forward an argument that AI will not put humans completely out of work, in a way similar to how happened in history. This does not consider the fact that every time a technological innovation killed a job sector, it was only one job sector, as the said innovation was specific. This is not the case this time around. This is the first innovation that is truly general in nature. It won't take away one sector, but all at once, from manual labour to research on the edge of the known and unknown.
I like to imagine humans doing nothing but explore other planets and star systems, and let AI do all the work. Either that or we become cyborgs by combining the high knowledge capacity artificial neurons with our biological neurons to instantly become as intelligent as the AI itself. In that way, our conscious self remains in control (hopefully).
lmao robotaxis barely can drive 5 minutes without a human intervening. This hyperbole about the capabilities of AI is from scammers.
This is really engaging- thank you!
Yet our pets seem to live comfortable happy lives. The idea of humans have to work, is but an ignorant ideology for going into the future. Work = humans owning humans.
27:24 "And the skeptics DIED" so real LMAOO
Was he being sarcastic when he said this?
@@dominicallenfico10 unfortunately no
Broooo 😭😭😭😭😭
No he believes that hes not being sarcastic
He also said the biggest threats for misuse of new technologies is Iran and Russia. This is exactly what the actual "threat" wants you to think...
What a great show ....Thanks a lot. Dr Jayantha Pathirana
Congratulations to Nobel Prize Winners🎉
This is real quality content. Fantastic format. Thank you for this production. Looking forward for next editions!
Excellent interviewer, kept it fresh and dynamic. I like that they point to the darker sides and weren’t too self congratulatory. I am surprised by the strong and clear condemnation of colonialism of the economists, that with a little bit more color in their team would make it even more interesting. Looking forward to finding out and learning more about the prize recipients. Congratulations!
Nah, interviewer was not that good. So many missed opportunities to dive deeper and let the speaker, you know, actually speak. Also, dramatic reactions to their answers was unnecessary.
Thanks for this session!
My idol man was also a Nobel Laureate. ♥️ from Pakistan🇵🇰
🎉 great conversation. I hope humanity will heed prof. Geoffrey Hinton's urgent sensible warning, and that we should act now to figure out how we'll stay in control, future proof.
Ms.Badawi has wriiten great book about Africa...Hopefully i will get it in Kathmandu soon in future...Namaskar to all of you.🤗🤔
Gary is such a good talker, makes everything interesting and joyful
Important use of humor in discussion of complex topics
I am totally with Hinton on this, His explanations sums all the risks
Daron Acemoğlu's Nobel Prize is a proud moment for Turkey, highlighting his groundbreaking contributions to economics. His work on institutions and development has shaped global understanding and inspired many. Acemoğlu’s achievement is a testament to the power of knowledge and dedication, making Turkey proud on the world stage.
One of the best tables ever, thank you once again for letting us being part of the audience to see and listen to this amazing minds.
does the host's interruption look annoying and rude and unwise? (at ~11:00) ?
Yes
I didn’t feel like that. I mean its not easy to have a discussion about so many different topics while ensuring all laureates get to speak.
agree
Ikr, it does
An Honor to be a part of this 5D impact and important conversations.
What a great conversation about AI and the challenges humanity will face! Thanks from Brazil 🇧🇷
I appreciate this initiative a lot, thank you for gathering such brilliant minds around a round table to discuss matters of our time. I will say that I wished they had taken more risks and offered more thought provoking answers.
Thanks for this talk and congratulations to the NP winners -from France🇫🇷.
But I’m surprised by the little interest these great thinkers have for philosophy. I thought that consciousness, sentience and subjective experience were philosophical questions long before science got interested in it. Same for human existence and human actions. Science and Philosophy must coexist for the benefit of Humanity, more than ever in our times of great danger
My take on this is that it's crucial for AI safety to objectively get the nature of generative AI right and how it compares to our biological being. That requires a scientific approach, while philosophers might confuse this quest with vague terms and interpretations without evidence. That might obscure objective reality and therefore work against timely AI safety solutions. With this extremely powerful technology and AI race we can't afford to get it wrong.
Yes , that's why i felt the table missed the presence of Han kang , the literature laureate and also the peace prize laureate ,
Ai can describe the taste of salt but has never tasted it
Literature and peace laureates are sorely missed!
@@sanskarvsahu1375 fish have tasted salt, but cannot describe it. To us at least. Yes humans are special, but we like to believe that because we are humans. No?
A lot of specialties become very advanced , so philosophers can't know all the aspects , which makes philosophy for my point of view in this era a very subjective and not scientific.......I think
A sheer treat, to hear these minds.
Zeinab Badawi is pretty cool. She goes deep into a subject with such light-hearted and ease . And she travels to another next point , in a flow . It feels connected. We are fortunate to watch these great minds coming together and share their views. Thank you Noble minds
Gary Ruvkun's discovery of microRNAs is groundbreaking, and his ability to explain such complex science with humor and a conversational tone is unmatched! 🧬✨
Every talk feels like a perfect blend of brilliance and authenticity-always inspiring to watch! 👏🔥
Every sentence that comes out of Geoffrey Hinton leaves me stunned. An intellectual expert on not only in his subjects but also understands society and humanity. Truly deserving of the prize. Would love to attend his lecture.
It was so nice listening to them and learning so many things that I felt like the discussions could have been a bit more longer!
I look forward to Nobel Minds each year. How unfortunate this year's only woman Laureate was not part of the conversation which whilst excellent was the lesser for it.
Six Nobel Lauretts discussing at one table !!! Mr.GaryRuvkun, Mr.Daron Acemoglu, Mr.Geoffrey Hinton , Mr.James Robinson, Mr.David Bakery & Mr.Demis Hessabis.!!! Great Achievement.!!!💐👍🇳🇪
Great discussion. The moderator also did a great job.
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I'm clem for missing and the this well there where information the global everything if show insane the information.
I am moved to the brink of tears. It is profoundly beautiful that humanity has fostered an institution of such remarkable scientific excellence, one that has been cultivated over generations to honor the most prestigious achievements of our brightest minds. Each year, these exceptional individuals push the boundaries of knowledge and innovation, striving tirelessly to create a better future for us all. This represents the highest ideals of civilization, a testament to what humanity can achieve at its best. Those gathered in this room embody the true pinnacle of society, deserving far greater admiration and recognition than fleeting fame bestowed upon sports stars. Their contributions give me hope for the future of mankind, and I write this with tears in my eyes.
أشعر بالسعادة عندما ارى هذه المرأة السودانية تتألق وسط هذه العقول العالمية الفذة
فخور بك استاذة زينب البدوي
Man, I can't help but feel that these gentlemen, particularly Prof. Hinton, have a wealth of hard hitting ideas they hesitate to voice. I could clearly imagine this conversation diving into truly fascinating territory if they weren't being filmed or interrupted.
Daron Acemoglu is representative of my small nation. Huge respect for all scientists. Scientists should be treated as heroes. With love from Armenia. 2:24
Isn’t he Turkish, how is he a representative for Armenia?
He's actually Turkish American
Yes, Daron also represents Türkiye 🇹🇷 and he keeps encouraging cooperation and working closely to move on and build future together for our children
He is turkish with armenian roots.
Though the Armenian and Turkish nations are at odds in many issues it is a great honour that both nations produced such a great man
It's really fascinating to see how curious they are when listening to each other.
Best one of these ever. The interviewer barely had to speak. She did a great job setting the tone and letting them speak.
Great question about the solution to the problem of institutions pointed out by economists... I think, in as much as it's recommended to develop them organically, external influence and regional and even global cooperation towards the development of strong institutions with recourse to contextual differences is the way forward.
Most foreign capital modules particularly to SSA or Africa, now focus on institutions spearheaded by democratization and sustainable development.
Technology can be define as puting to work Philosophical thinking. Safe to say Deep thinking or critical thinking which is Philosophy is the begining of Science Practise
Gosh I wish the discussion would last longer. Just fascinating.
I could be at this table one day
Zainab Badawi was excellent. Enjoyed this conversation. Thank you.
1:54 knights of the Round Table 2024
The fact this doesn’t even have a million views in 3 days brings melancholy indeed
This year's Nobel Minds perhaps was the most controversial. When you have a Nobel Laureate saying Humans are overrated while comparing it against an LLM model that's when you know it's going to be a rather demotivating session. And it did not stop there, it became worse when another Nobel Laureate from the position of a privilege defensively questioned the large economic disparity we have seen in society as technology evolved over the past century. Why is it too hard to accept technology as a double-edged sword?
because disparities decreased in the last century
what an absolute treat! Lucky to be able to see this!
The interviewer needs to be quiet and let the guests speak - please
l think she did great, she gave fluency to the table
Age-long problem
i wish they had more time to debate each question, but other than that this was great!
I hope to make contributions to humanity in physics, chemistry and literature that are Nobel prize worthy, regardless of whether I win the prize or not. Progress is more important than ego.
Just sending a little love to David Baker! Your optimism is always appreciated, and your work is of course exceptional.
Good evening The Nobel Prize
Super interesting, brilliant in part shared discussion. In short.
Grateful indeed.
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I enjoy how they challenge each other. Hinton is brilliantly honest, These are really Intelligent conversations.
Looking from Nepal,
Proud to hear Botswana mentioned in a positive light. 🤝
Hello everyone from Siberia, now we working with New type of future cityes, new model growing economy, AI systems, etc.
Watching from Kuala Lumpur. I don't understand the selection of Laureates this year but I'm excited about the venue.
Long live with good health and happiness 🎉❤🎉❤
Nice video! Maybe this video from the Noble Prize channel, about the Nobel Minds 2024 should get a noble prize for the share-of-minds-knowledge within the community of the Noble Prize.
Inspiring content !
Wisdom must also spread at the rate of entertainment in the media and social networks. This is the kind of entertainment that must spread in Africa.
Hinton sat?
Early stoppage! Next year, please let them go at it for another 1 without any intermediate! this was amazing by all means, I think the mediator did much better than previous years. For some reason, I remember the question "Where do these ideas come from?" that was asked from a previous year. I loved the thinking of you sound crazy until you aren't that was shared among all laureates.
Garry was the more heart warming individual in my opinion. I changed my mind on Geoffrey, I agree 100% with what he says, the media doesn't do him justice. The economics price was interesting, much better than nudging in my opinion - but I always find the economics Nobel prize very conservative, as in, not a lot of really out there papers, but that's fine, not like we can run economics experiments in the real world.
Demis as always, a genius but I'd like to see a state of art chain of though model compete with him at a number of tasks for 24h, I think after those 24h he'd end up understanding he agrees with Geoffrey.
Chemistry, medicine and peace were all great and everyone had great points, arguments and moments to collaborate in the conversaiton.
Overall, it was a very kind group of intellectual that I wish were left unsupervised for at least 1h to have a conversation. Maybe a little bit supervised to give the discussions justice and not let any ego takeover and make other feel unheard. amazing amazing amazing, I love these videos and wish one day to work as hard and get as lucky to be sitting in one of these chairs one day.
also, great questions from the audience.
Where’s han kang ?
literature 😪
she declined
i wish i had the time to collect all prof.hinton's jokes he likes to sprinkle in all his talks and interviews. i wish all LLMs can answer with humor and often, as he does.
These discussions definitely need to be longer! With all the Nobel Laureates of the year gathering together, it's not fair to have only 50 min allotted to the discussion. These laureates likely won't gather together again in a public forum such as this.
"the kind of philosophy we don't need I think is philosophers talking about Consciousness and sentience and subjective experience I think understanding those is a scientific problem and we'll be better off without philosophers" 🔥 Hinton absolutely swinging! 🤣
Given the weakness of that argument, he could evidently use some philosophical training.
It's a pretty solid argument, given that we already had spiritual gurus n philosophers even before Aristotle n Socrates.
It's the age of neuroscience n meditative thinking now.
@@teodordl nah he is 100% on point. screw analytic philosophy and its focus on fake problems that effect no one. "philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it" karl marx theses on feurbach 1845
While scientific inquiry into consciousness is vital, dismissing the entire role of philosophy is very shortsighted. Philosophy serves as the foundation for understanding the ethical, metaphysical, and existential implications of such studies dimensions that science alone cannot fully address. Claiming we’d be "better off without philosophers" ignores how deeply philosophical frameworks influence the very questions science seeks to answer. This kind of depositioning undervalues the interdisciplinary dialogue necessary for a holistic understanding of consciousness. Both disciplines are stronger together than apart.
One person of interest that solidifies this framework is 1900s polymath Michael Polanyi
@@Tay-ho6sg But only beacause of all those past philosophers we have now something like neuroscience. A thing that I really like to enfatize is that: when newton published his great work it was called "Philosophiae naturalis principia mathematica" which is "mathematical principles of the natural philosophy".
Modern science have some methods? Yes, it definetly have some. But it is still essencially philosophy with math.
Zeinab has such an amazing energy this year! I always look forward to these videos
Amazing topic!
To be critical is to be curious. To be curious is a brainstorm..