Apparently they are called Retaining rings instead of snap rings. They do make a tool for external retaining rings. But what about internal retaining rings? I have a couple inside the final drive, that need to come out to remove the bearing races.
Love your videos. What you are doing can not be done quick. Take your time. Have the right tools for the job, and clean parts with detail. Looking forward in the next steps. Blessings on you guys🙂
Yes, they used to make a snap ring pliers for that kind of snap ring, don't know if they still do, I have a pair that my dad had from back in the day, but I'm sure you can upgrade to the newer snap ring with the holes, really enjoyed watching your videos
Evan another great video. Yes they do make pliers to remove those. They are called retaining ring pliers. They are handy for all kinds of other things to. You don't want to put snap rings in their place. They also make internal ones.
Hey Evan. Try drilling small holes on the snap rings to fit your circlip pliers, and you can re-use the old ones. The round ones. Put them back in and forget about the next guy.
I just turned 70 and I've been around this type of work most of my life. I think I've seen the tool you need used two different times in my life. And I've never owned a pair of them.
Evan there is a special tool for those retaining rings they are no longer made. But you can get them on eBay. Craftsman vintage 9"ring pliers p 4735 what you struggled for hours with will take seconds with the these hope this helps
Evan, you’re really getting the “exploded” in the exploded diagram of that D-17! ALL the way down to individual parts. When you’re done, the old beauty will run another 50 years. Good job.
In a pinch you can use 2 flat blade screwdrivers. Insert both tips in the gap side by side, touching, then lever the screwdriver handles together, pivoting the tips apart. You have to play with length of shafts, thicknesses, etc. but as I do most of my mechanical work on evenings and weekends, necessity is the mother of invention.
Evan there are tools to help get those clips off. Craftsman wfx46944 is a small one and Snapon is 700cp and that is a larger one. These are designed to remove the clips that you have
Evan In Australia we tend to call those "snap rings" and the ones with holes "circlips" You're correct about them being much sturdier, and if removed and replaced correctly with the flat faced pliers, it is common to reuse them Keep up the good work mate
There is a special tool for those clips. They still use them on some equipment. Mine is OTC-714. I don't use it much as I'm retired now. If you can't find some, let me know and I'll send you these ones. They look like flat-billed pliers the open instead of close when you mash the handles. Official name is "Horseshoe Lock Ring Pliers". You can get them at Summit Racing.
There is tool made for that style snap ring. They have flat tips instead the tips for snap rings with holes. I have a pair that I've had for years. I used them for stick shift transmissions.
First, DO NOT replace the lock ring with a snap ring. (the one with the holes to release) The width of the lock ring is there as a spacer as well as a keeper. Get the BEST lock ring pliers you can afford. (It makes a DIFFERENCE!) Buy (If possible) new lock rings because the sharpness of the point will make it easier to install. (Will grab lock ring pliers better) This is first hand experience. Older Jeep transmission disassembly. Tried for hours and multiple times. A good friend of mine (May he rest in peace) drove by and checked out what I was doing. He immediately went to his house and brought a Snap-On snap ring plier and I took it off in two tries! Yes, I am a believer!! Great video!
I'm not sure who you used, but I get my patriotic metal work from Nashville Metal Art, and we've always been really happy with their service. The art look very comparable to what you have, it's very high quality.
I think those rings are called circlips, and there are special pliers for them. With that tool, they are very easy to remove and install. They work similar to your snap ring pliers except instead of the little round pins, they have flat duckbill jaws, and they expand when you squeeze the pliers.
I worked in the Automotive field for over 40 years. they used to make a pliers that were designed to remove the retaining rings. Don't know if they are still being made though. In fact I don't even know if have them yet. I have most of the tools I first bought over 40 years ago. I always bought good tools. Great videos though keep them coming.
the way i've taken those type off is with 2 flat screw drivers. one to push straight in under the ring and the 2nd to put in behind the spring clip. need it in a vise or something to hold it steady.. hope this helps.
When I took those out, I'd stick a pair of needle nose pliers [closed] in the gap, then pull the handles away from each other. The trick was to twist them just right to get the ring started out of the groove. Don't expect to get it on the first try if you use this method. Good luck!
Go to Amazon and look up 'lock ring pliers'. Kinda look like a duck bill with knurling on the outside edges to catch the pointy part of the ring. Mine are snap-on, and I would get a pretty good pair. Them are beefy lock rings. And NO, do not replace them with snap rings. They are beefy on purpose. Good vid. I need that air-assist press. :)
Every time I see a sign ‘In God we Trust’ it reminds me of one I saw in a shop many years ago… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In God We Trust All others pay cash ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Snap on makes external snap ring plier for them rings. I think 4 or 5 versions. Snap On part numbers SRP1, SRP3 and SRP4. One on eBay now $30 or so. Usually listed with transmission tools??. I’m sure there is a cheaper versions. There is also “Kent Moore” brand ones that are GM dealership tools. Time for eBay.
sockets work great to press out stuff i use then with my big vice to do U- joints one big one small, probably should have buffed the shaft with a drill and wire brush first. as jeff and mark and others said they make a ?duck bill ?set of pliers for the external but internal may have to hook under the tip and then put a pic or tiny strait screwdriver to work it out
Great video. If you up grade your snap rings it's going to be hard to match the thickness and the strength. I'm pretty sure they make pliers for type of snap ring. My suggestion is re use the old . That's what I would do.
They make a special piler to remove those snap rings. Those rings were used in transmissions, Put a rubber mat under your press to keep from damaging your parts.
Great video Evan! loved that Hydraulic Press. I've been wanting to get one (Manual operation for odd jobs I'm retired (pushing 80) so no need commercially for one just some old mower blades to straighten out etc. love that bearing separator also that's a beast! but it sure did the job well. sometimes it pays to spend the moeny for the right tool. and at your age and what's ahead of you? I think you'll use it again a few times. well worth the cost. I'm really curious on those clips also hope someone comes up with a good solution for you and me! and the rest of the guys watching! god speed. ECF
Many of those round type retainers are spring steel meant to snap out to lock an axle in place once installed. Some have a way to attach a slide hammer to them to remove the axle without removing the spring lock. You have to jerk them out and hammer them in. The spring is designed to collapse just enough to let it past through
use snap ring pliers that are 90 degree the pins are together when the tool is relaxed and when you squeeze the plier the pins spread giving enough room to get a small flat head or o ring pic behind the clip
Yes , there is a tool for removing those clips. You might need to go to Snap-on, Mac, Matco, or Cornwell. You might be able to find them at other places I'm not familiar with.
Yes there's a pliers that works well . I know I have a good pair that I most likely pick up at a estate sales or garage sale . I had only used them once ,but it was worth the dollar or less I paid for it . A person was able years ago to buy a bucket full of Great old hand tools for a couple of dollars . A person has to try an justifies do I really need all these tools until then do a job in less time than it takes to find them 🙃 🤔 😅
You should always put your puller from one support to the other. the way you did your 2nd one not your first and third one. You will eventually bend your threaded rod if you don't. Always a good idea to put a rag over the top of the bearing until you get it to move. That way if it breaks pieces wont fly and hit you. Once it moves you can remove the rag so you can see
FYI. The first line of the United States Constitution starts with"We the people". The phrase "In God we trust" was added to American currency and the Pledge of allegiance in the 1950s. The founding fathers wanted to keep religion out of government.
Start at opening between two ends of the ring. Drive small flathead screw driver (parallel) under one end. Use a larger flathead to work it around until it pops loose. 👍🏻 you can also use a pair of stout needle nose pliers and basically use them backwards to spread them just enough to get a small screwdriver underneath.
My opinion is that take some RR ties or 4x4 s and place under your press for added height, and a rubber mat at bottom to help eliminate a bearing race dent. Great job and video. Enjoying them all !🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
Hello looks nice but is he going to replace your sign with the right one? Think you should use the original snap rings I dought will be ever apart again. Have a great day.
Circlip/snap ring - Try cheaper pressed metal pliers with a 90 degree offset. Slip old feeler gauges in under the ends of the clip when you get some clearance.
Duck bill pliers for those constant area external rings. Internal constant area snap rings you use a hook tool or screw driver to get under and work them out. Snap rings should be replaced. The can be fatigued during removal and become costly problem. They use constant area snap rings to proved better uniformed thrust surface, the other type has tendency to brake the tab when alternating thrust loads happen which causes problem. Love your channel keep up the good fight
Replace them all with the new style retaining rings. On the round ring you might have to use 2 rings and that's alright if there is room, if not then just re-use the old ones. The rings strength is in the stopping force of the ring in the groove. Good video, you explained the trouble of working on old equipment. Check on-line for old iron support groups, they are there. Illinois and Iowa have lots of tractor shows. West of Springfield there were several Alis Chalmers Dealerships. There should be someone rebuilding these.
Evan, I put a comment on here 2 days ago but it is gone either you deleted it or it was to long and didn't post,,, it was the size of a small book Yes they do make internal and external pliers Sorry it got so long last time,,,, but there is so many options and I tried to explain it all to help you Good videos,,,,, you have my dream shop See ya
Apparently they are called Retaining rings instead of snap rings. They do make a tool for external retaining rings. But what about internal retaining rings? I have a couple inside the final drive, that need to come out to remove the bearing races.
Internal can be a real bear. The “wedge a screwdriver” method will eventually get them, but a 3rd hand is sometimes needed.
@@d6joe yes, an extra hand would be helpful in the process.
You need to punch the rings off. 1 shot. No need to grab. Just clamp the object, and than punch
From my research, I found you need circlip pliers with knurled external tips.... You can check yourself to be sure it's for the same piece as yours
Or maybe that's what you already have...?🤷♀️
That's a cool idea for your coffee pot using the horse shoe.
Love your videos. What you are doing can not be done quick. Take your time. Have the right tools for the job, and clean parts with detail. Looking forward in the next steps. Blessings on you guys🙂
A million little steps and each step is closer to the finished project and a huge sense of accomplishment!!!
That is really cool using a Horse Shoe to separate the coffee pot from the stove to keep the coffee warm.
Yes, they used to make a snap ring pliers for that kind of snap ring, don't know if they still do, I have a pair that my dad had from back in the day, but I'm sure you can upgrade to the newer snap ring with the holes, really enjoyed watching your videos
Yes I just found a pair of retaining ring pliers. The have flat outside jaws. I will order me a set.
Try NAPA Parts Store or Snap-On Dealer for a Tool to remove that ring
Evan you have a beautiful shop . You need a black chair rail btw the wood and galvanized to accentuate the wall.
Evan another great video. Yes they do make pliers to remove those. They are called retaining ring pliers. They are handy for all kinds of other things to. You don't want to put snap rings in their place. They also make internal ones.
Evan that’s a excellent hack with the horseshoe I’m trying it
Great video, Evan, love the sign!👍🏻
I like the new wall art and the new press. Nice! No clue on the clips, sorry. Great video. Thank you Evan. 👍
You should put white behind the stars and black behind we the people!
I was going to suggest the same thing for the stars, but use white for both to make the words stand out more.
Bought a expander tool for those clips back in 75 when was rebuilding automatic transmissions.
Hey Evan. Try drilling small holes on the snap rings to fit your circlip pliers, and you can re-use the old ones. The round ones. Put them back in and forget about the next guy.
I just turned 70 and I've been around this type of work most of my life. I think I've seen the tool you need used two different times in my life. And I've never owned a pair of them.
Evan there is a special tool for those retaining rings they are no longer made. But you can get them on eBay. Craftsman vintage 9"ring pliers p 4735 what you struggled for hours with will take seconds with the these hope this helps
Working on a d14 !! Something's are similar so im learning !!!!!! Thanks my friends !!!!! I will keep watching the videos and keep them coming !!!!!!
Evan, you’re really getting the “exploded” in the exploded diagram of that D-17! ALL the way down to individual parts. When you’re done, the old beauty will run another 50 years. Good job.
Horseshoe clip pliers are the tool you need for those clips.
In a pinch you can use 2 flat blade screwdrivers. Insert both tips in the gap side by side, touching, then lever the screwdriver handles together, pivoting the tips apart. You have to play with length of shafts, thicknesses, etc. but as I do most of my mechanical work on evenings and weekends, necessity is the mother of invention.
Evan there are tools to help get those clips off. Craftsman wfx46944 is a small one and Snapon is 700cp and that is a larger one. These are designed to remove the clips that you have
Sealing ring remover tools composed of screwdriver picks of curved and right angle pick ends. Could make your own out of old worn out screw drivers
The tool you’re looking for is called horseshoe washer pliers👍🏻
Evan
In Australia we tend to call those "snap rings" and the ones with holes "circlips"
You're correct about them being much sturdier, and if removed and replaced correctly with the flat faced pliers, it is common to reuse them
Keep up the good work mate
The foot control makes your life a little easier. Leaves hands free.
There is a special tool for those clips. They still use them on some equipment. Mine is OTC-714. I don't use it much as I'm retired now. If you can't find some, let me know and I'll send you these ones. They look like flat-billed pliers the open instead of close when you mash the handles. Official name is "Horseshoe Lock Ring Pliers". You can get them at Summit Racing.
There is a special tile of pliers that is made to open them old stile snap rings there on Amazon but I can’t think of the name right this moment
I love that and I want one
having the right tools sure helps make the job go easier. mavbe you can drill holes in the rings so you can use snap ring pliers.
There is tool made for that style snap ring. They have flat tips instead the tips for snap rings with holes. I have a pair that I've had for years. I used them for stick shift transmissions.
GOOD JOB, STAY SAFE...
First, DO NOT replace the lock ring with a snap ring. (the one with the holes to release) The width of the lock ring is there as a spacer as well as a keeper. Get the BEST lock ring pliers you can afford. (It makes a DIFFERENCE!) Buy (If possible) new lock rings because the sharpness of the point will make it easier to install. (Will grab lock ring pliers better)
This is first hand experience. Older Jeep transmission disassembly. Tried for hours and multiple times. A good friend of mine (May he rest in peace) drove by and checked out what I was doing. He immediately went to his house and brought a Snap-On snap ring plier and I took it off in two tries! Yes, I am a believer!! Great video!
They make a special plier with a flat tip that is slightly offset, I think I got mine from Snap on or Marco.
I'm not sure who you used, but I get my patriotic metal work from Nashville Metal Art, and we've always been really happy with their service. The art look very comparable to what you have, it's very high quality.
I think those rings are called circlips, and there are special pliers for them. With that tool, they are very easy to remove and install. They work similar to your snap ring pliers except instead of the little round pins, they have flat duckbill jaws, and they expand when you squeeze the pliers.
Yes the tips are turned and flat and when squeezed thet spred apart. Compression or lock ring pliers
They make a tool for transmission they're setup for snap rings like that could give them a try.
I worked in the Automotive field for over 40 years. they used to make a pliers that were designed to remove the retaining rings. Don't know if they are still being made though. In fact I don't even know if have them yet. I have most of the tools I first bought over 40 years ago. I always bought good tools. Great videos though keep them coming.
I use flat face snap ring pliers when I did my transmission. Keep the old snap rings. White for the stars and black on the words.
the way i've taken those type off is with 2 flat screw drivers. one to push straight in under the ring and the 2nd to put in behind the spring clip. need it in a vise or something to hold it steady.. hope this helps.
You're like the Batman. You have lots on neat toys.
When I took those out, I'd stick a pair of needle nose pliers [closed] in the gap, then pull the handles away from each other. The trick was to twist them just right to get the ring started out of the groove. Don't expect to get it on the first try if you use this method. Good luck!
Go to Amazon and look up 'lock ring pliers'. Kinda look like a duck bill with knurling on the outside edges to catch the pointy part of the ring. Mine are snap-on, and I would get a pretty good pair. Them are beefy lock rings. And NO, do not replace them with snap rings. They are beefy on purpose. Good vid. I need that air-assist press. :)
They have them on Amazon they are called lock ring pliers
Love the sign. Too bad you didn't get the IN GOD WE TRUST. But it does look sharp.
Every time I see a sign ‘In God we Trust’ it reminds me of one I saw in a shop many years ago…
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In God We Trust
All others pay cash
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There are duckbill snap ring pliers and also duckbill ends that can be attached to your snap ring pliers in place of the pin style you have.
Duckbill is a good description. I just found some and got them Ordered
Snap on makes external snap ring plier for them rings. I think 4 or 5 versions. Snap On part numbers SRP1, SRP3 and SRP4. One on eBay now $30 or so. Usually listed with transmission tools??. I’m sure there is a cheaper versions. There is also “Kent Moore” brand ones that are GM dealership tools. Time for eBay.
Good video Evan . Just wondering, if you obtain this knowledge will you share it with the rest of us. Best wishes
Great job!!! Nice video
Waving a hand from texas I don’t own a tractor but enjoy it
sockets work great to press out stuff i use then with my big vice to do U- joints one big one small, probably should have buffed the shaft with a drill and wire brush first. as jeff and mark and others said they make a ?duck bill ?set of pliers for the external but internal may have to hook under the tip and then put a pic or tiny strait screwdriver to work it out
Great video. If you up grade your snap rings it's going to be hard to match the thickness and the strength. I'm pretty sure they make pliers for type of snap ring. My suggestion is re use the old . That's what I would do.
They make a special piler to remove those snap rings. Those rings were used in transmissions, Put a rubber mat under your press to keep from damaging your parts.
Great video Evan! loved that Hydraulic Press. I've been wanting to get one (Manual operation for odd jobs I'm retired (pushing 80) so no need commercially for one just some old mower blades to straighten out etc. love that bearing separator also that's a beast! but it sure did the job well. sometimes it pays to spend the moeny for the right tool. and at your age and what's ahead of you? I think you'll use it again a few times. well worth the cost. I'm really curious on those clips also hope someone comes up with a good solution for you and me! and the rest of the guys watching! god speed. ECF
You need lock ring pliers sometimes called circlip pliers. Amazon has some choices.
Many of those round type retainers are spring steel meant to snap out to lock an axle in place once installed. Some have a way to attach a slide hammer to them to remove the axle without removing the spring lock. You have to jerk them out and hammer them in. The spring is designed to collapse just enough to let it past through
use snap ring pliers that are 90 degree the pins are together when the tool is relaxed and when you squeeze the plier the pins spread giving enough room to get a small flat head or o ring pic behind the clip
Evan ,if you didn't know what the pliers look like. Go over to Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farm, he is holding a pair like I have.
Yes , there is a tool for removing those clips. You might need to go to Snap-on, Mac, Matco, or Cornwell. You might be able to find them at other places I'm not familiar with.
Cant remember the name but there are special pliers .. the have flat sides that are knurled and youi squeeze them to spread the lock ring
Yes there's a pliers that works well .
I know I have a good pair that I most likely pick up at a estate sales or garage sale .
I had only used them once ,but it was worth the dollar or less I paid for it .
A person was able years ago to buy a bucket full of Great old hand tools for a couple of dollars .
A person has to try an justifies do I really need all these tools until then do a job in less time than it takes to find them 🙃 🤔 😅
You should always put your puller from one support to the other. the way you did your 2nd one not your first and third one. You will eventually bend your threaded rod if you don't. Always a good idea to put a rag over the top of the bearing until you get it to move. That way if it breaks pieces wont fly and hit you. Once it moves you can remove the rag so you can see
Use two screwdrivers, ride the ring out of the chanel, a bit like a tyer on a wheel rim.
It's bee'n a while since I had to bother with them bugers.
Yes they mske speical s so ring pliers for those probably Napa or Harbor Freight . Take snap ring with you an show them .
FYI. The first line of the United States Constitution starts with"We the people". The phrase "In God we trust" was added to American currency and the Pledge of allegiance in the 1950s. The founding fathers wanted to keep religion out of government.
LOve the flag! Any chance there are more out there to be sold? It is so different! Let us know!
Genius Tools External 90 degree Retaining Ring Pliers, 125mmL - 550552
Start at opening between two ends of the ring. Drive small flathead screw driver (parallel) under one end. Use a larger flathead to work it around until it pops loose. 👍🏻 you can also use a pair of stout needle nose pliers and basically use them backwards to spread them just enough to get a small screwdriver underneath.
My opinion is that take some RR ties or 4x4 s and place under your press for added height, and a rubber mat at bottom to help eliminate a bearing race dent. Great job and video. Enjoying them all !🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
Ahhh memories. My dad was a mechanic and he had oily old railroad ties under his press! Thanks for the memories. It has been 50 years at least!
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Closed ended snap rings, all you need to remove them is two flat ended screw driver's
Stanley J250G Proto 9-Inch Lock Ring Horseshoe Washer Pliers
You also can try heating up and pressing it off? . If the gear is not damage don"t remove it. It is key both ends of the shaft.and balance out?.
Speedwox 8” lock ring players. For special angle tip Circlip retaining rings
Hello looks nice but is he going to replace your sign with the right one? Think you should use the original snap rings I dought will be ever apart again. Have a great day.
I told him it was wrong. But I told him not to worry about it. That it was fine. After 3 months I was done with the whole process.
Hey smalltown442 love the vids
Circlip/snap ring - Try cheaper pressed metal pliers with a 90 degree offset. Slip old feeler gauges in under the ends of the clip when you get some clearance.
Duck bill pliers for those constant area external rings. Internal constant area snap rings you use a hook tool or screw driver to get under and work them out. Snap rings should be replaced. The can be fatigued during removal and become costly problem. They use constant area snap rings to proved better uniformed thrust surface, the other type has tendency to brake the tab when alternating thrust loads happen which causes problem.
Love your channel keep up the good fight
They make a snap ring pliers for that style y snap ring
Recommend emery cloth and WD 40 and knock off the rust before using the press
Afterwards I put the axles in the metal lathe and ran emery cloth over the rusty areas they were catching on.
You need to talk to the man at Just A A few acres I bet he could help you
I would use the original snap rings unless they are twisted or damaged to where they will not fit the grooves correctly.
Tool companies make snap ring pliers for those snap rings
How To Remove A Bearing Retainer Ring (Andy’s Garage: Episode - 178) on youtube
You need white background to show the stars and the writing better. Black would be worse than the brown. Nice piece of art.
Go with the new style clips.
Speed works call them walking ring pliers
Replace them all with the new style retaining rings. On the round ring you might have to use 2 rings and that's alright if there is room, if not then just re-use the old ones. The rings strength is in the stopping force of the ring in the groove. Good video, you explained the trouble of working on old equipment. Check on-line for old iron support groups, they are there. Illinois and Iowa have lots of tractor shows. West of Springfield there were several Alis Chalmers Dealerships. There should be someone rebuilding these.
Evan, I put a comment on here 2 days ago but it is gone either you deleted it or it was to long and didn't post,,, it was the size of a small book
Yes they do make internal and external pliers
Sorry it got so long last time,,,, but there is so many options and I tried to explain it all to help you
Good videos,,,,, you have my dream shop
See ya
Can you drill holes in the old clips so you can use your tool?
More to the point would be-
Weeeeeeeeee The People
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Put the weight also behind the stars
Check out Andys Garage episode 178 for a good method to remove retaining rings. You are welcome!
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Maybe RUclipser pete from just a few acres knows
Yes, I am sure pete knows.
And He would have had this done by now. 🙂
@@CountryViewAcres great job with all you do
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Reuse them , they ain't coming off !
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