If there's one difference between the UNSC and the Republic ships that I love being pointed out is that Republic Ships are also built for their aesthics, they also play the role of being paraded around. Ships from the UNSC on the otherhand are built for war and it shows.
@@Spartan135 the only thing I’m confused about is why there were only Luserhulks for the CIS no Munificent frigates or Recusant Destroyers or Providence Dreadnaughts
I am a big time halo fan, I've read a large portion of the books, played/ completed all the games. I'm not being biased, as I consider my self a minor fan of starwars, watched all the films, played a few of the games. So read what I say carefully, as I'm gonna burn you... As halo would easily win. I'm going to state a few of the possible ways halo could win in each faction. Humans (U.N.S.C) The humans vehicles vary in speed and power, but let's be honest the humans don't need them to destroy a deathstar! 1)All they need a collection of long swords (ships) to fly around and distract the guns/cannons. They could drop 80 O.D.S.Ts into battle, landing on the star destroyer, taking out as many soldiers as they need to, up until they get to the bridge, then they destroy the Death Star from the inside. But wait! What if Darth Vader is on there as well? O.D.S.Ts are extremely skilled in combat, they're not as good as spartains... But when they're in high numbers. They are bloody amazing! An estimated of 40 - 50 O.D.S.Ts would probably die in the clearing of the star destroyer. That leaves 30+ soldiers left, o don't think Darth Vader could deflect 30 bullets at once. That's right, the U.N.S.C use bullets, not lazers, bullets are made of reinforced metal. so they can not be deflected, just halved. So the bullets would eventually hit Vader, and injure him. Especially if they use a shot gun. 2) they could drop in a fire team of spartains. A fire team contains 4-5 spartains. These Spartans are genetically enhanced, they could toss a tank using their bare hands if they wanted, they are incredibly strong, their reflexes are instant! And their intelligence levels are inhuman! If Vader tried to choke one of them, it simply wouldn't work, as the didact attempted it, and he failed! Spartans shields are immensely strong. Vader would just simply die! One punch would send him flying down a corridor, they could just shoot him whilst he's vulnerable. And yes, they could dodge his light sabre, as their acrobatic skills are something else, (Google it) 3) the U.N.S.C INFINITY could just fly around and blast it, a huge hole would emerge in the star destroyer, and the troopers would be pulled out in the vacume, and become exposed in the void. Then pepper it with lazers and stuff. It would physically melt, and that's difficult, it's in space! And it would still melt! The Covenant Unlike the humans, this collection of alien races prefer quantity over quality, they would rather spam the target with lasers and glass it. So it's unusable again. 1) destroy the hangar, and make a breach. Then spam drop ships, send in an arbiter! A well as some of the best units available to them. As well as some engineers and hunters. Arbiters are a sangheli version of a spartain. Except he isn't genetically enhanced, just physically strong, unlike spartains, Arbiters can destroy entire army's on their own, one prime example from "Halo: Evolutions" one Arbiter demolished an entire army of 5,000 men. And 200 tanks! All by himself on one battlefield, he killed them all without having to leave the battlefield for refreshments, or breaks. So once the arbiter is dropped on the Death Star... It's pretty much doomed! But wait! What if Darth Vader attacked the arbiter? The sangheli worrier wields too energy swords. These energy swords are made of hard light, which is impenetrable, indistructable. So Vader has no chance of chopping it in half. And if Vader attempted to force choke the Arbiter, it wouldn't work, they're too strong, they would resist the force and kill Vader. 2) bring 8 cruisers, and glass the Death Star, destroy it with plasma, glass it until it melts, make it unusable. The Forerunners The forerunners are the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, at a tier 1 tech, whilst humans are at tier 4 and the covenant are at tier 5. They would rather use intelligence to defeat their opponent with using the minimal amount of resources as possible. 1) fire the composer on the Death Star, and kill all of the human life on it. From my knowlage, the imperial alliance are mostly human. The composer is a device that harvests all human souls and digitalises them, making them ancient artificial warriors! And turning them against their allies. All they have to do is kill all human life on there, and send the premethian soldiers to kill the remaining targets. This would kill Darth Vader, as he is Human! 2) Fire a halo ring, it wouldn't damage the Death Star in any way, but it would kill every living thing on there, as well as anything surrounding it, so it would kill all the pilots in the defending ships. Precursors (Flood) They ware greater than the Forerunners, until they damaged them selves in war. Originally tier 0 but changed and became all 10 tiers! They turned them selves to dust, hoping to resurrect them selves at a later date. It didnt work! They became a zombie like substance feasting on any living tissue. 1) infect the near by colonies, and make all forces turn against them selves, causing the death star to be attacked from all directions! 2)drop one flood spore onto the death star, and infect everyone from the inside. Killing every thing! So, if you think Star Wars would stand a chance against Halo, your on some serious drugs. Star Wars wouldn't even stand a chance. They would become extinct very quickly!
NOVA bombs r weak compared to what str wars has. A single turbolaser battery has more power than an SMAC mounted on ODPs(200 gigatons per shot, and the fire rate is pretty high too)
I love Bacon the star wars galaxy is so heavily populated the flood pandemic would sweep across it probably in a matter of weeks at most. they would be unbelievably fucked.
Lunatic Gamers Sorry but both of those weapons deliver a weaker blow, at a slower fire rate than any single turbolaser battery on a Star Wars capital ship. And considering the beating the shields and armor of even a Venator can take I would say in a 1v1 Star Wars would loose. Now look at the massive fleets present in Star Wars vs the size of fleets in Halo. Also Hyperdrives are infinitely faster than Slipspace(even the covenant versions) so both strategically and tactically speaking the UNSC and Covenant are both at a Massive disadvantage. EDIT: Also size is not everything. All the extra size means is an easier target. EDIT2: On the size difference, the most common Covie ship is the CSS class, which is smaller than an ISD, the CAS's were rare and I would compare them to a Praeator II which is only 500M shorter. The CSO class(laziest design I can think of btw) is 29km vs the Executor's 19km. On weapon power I looked uip the math and I was incorrect. A MAC round has a power of 44gigatons whiel a turbolaser has a 22gigaton power(this is a conservative estimate I am using to be extremely fair, as some sourcse from the movies suggest up to 59gigatonstons that it can deliver every 1-2 seconds. Light turbolaser cannons are able to deliver about 3gigatons at a faster rate. On a fun side-note the Empire had an operation identical to glassing called Base Delta Zero. While I am a huge Halo fan it would be delusional to even imply that the fleets of HALO could beat the fleets of Star Wars. EDIT3: If there are any errors in my numbers please let me know and give to a source to the correct numbers so I can fix them.
Eh, halo generally uses at least something close to tactics, while SW armies and fleets seems to just throw shit into battle in big masses to beat the other blob of ships or troops into submission. Its a lot more evident in ground engagements, where SW armies fight walking across open fields in shiny armor with stupidly designed ground vehicles. Also, the clone numbers given in episode 2 wouldnt be enough to fight in one of the larger battles of WW2.
Ways to defeat the Galactic Empire... 1) send in several fire teams of Spartans. 2) send in 3 arbiters. 3) drop 700 O.D.S.Ts 4) use a composer. 5) say hello to the U.N.S.C infinity!
Rakata Channel I have, and they dont use anything close to decent tactics. Also, those numbers seem like they were pulled out of your ass, like just about any attempt at consistant numbers in the SW universe. I like Star Wars a lot, but from a Sci-fi military standpoint they fail even harder than WH40K.
Rakata Channel Why i get the idea they dont use tactics? Lets see, how about all the movies and games? Clone wars era was by far the worst ships fight in a big hairball trading close range volleys, and infantry walk across open ground spraying fire from the hip. Old republic era is similar but with more idiotic hand to hand fighting. Galactic Civil war was better, hoth in particular had something approaching brains (Imperials use armor and mechanized infantry to attack across open ground, rebels use CAS and dug in infantry to counter) but still fails from extremely poorly designed land vehicles, innacurate and close ranged weapons and lack of ranged fire support. As for numbers, the numbers of clones ready or nearly ready thats mentioned in Episode 2 would not be enough to fight in some the the major battles of WW1 or WW2.
i think u have gotten the wrong idea about the clone wars. worst ships? i think not. Their turbolasers still have 100x more power than the standard MAC, and a much quicker firing rate. Infantry walking across open ground? Clearly you have not watched the clone wars tv series. And the numbers of clones would not be enough to fight in WWI or WW2? My goodness ur SW knowledge is horrible. IIRC, lama su stated in AOTC that they arleady had 2 MILLION clones ready for battle, with ANOTHER MILLION on the way. That's enough to take on BOTH sides of the wars with little to no casualties. And considering that clones are bred for war, armed with highly advanced weaponry, strong armor, and their accuracy is unmatched.
Darth Venar You are an idiot. WW2 had far greater numbers, 3 million is not enough to account for just the CASUALTIES of some of the campaigns, the clone army is tiny. And i have watched the series, in the original hand drawn they run straigt at the enemy and attack by clubbing like a bunch of retards, in the newer computer animated one they just spray and pray and run around like chickens with thier heads cut off. Range and accuracy is piss poor too, some mideast dirt farmer with a rusty AK can shoot better. To put how fail the clones are, Modern infantry usually fights at 300-500 meters away. Modern tanks kill at over 2-3 KM artillery 40-70+ KM
Darth Vader there a form of the precursors, they could still wipe them out. Or more wipe the galactic nations themselves out. (Not so sure about galactic combat, but they could still hold there own if they had enough ships to run into the other ships and then go and infect the ships they hijack. Then taking control.)
+The Remakings If I may clarify... The Forerunner era Flood commanded Neural Physics, which means they controlled Precursor Star Roads and Citadels, both of which were indestructible spacecraft with virtually instantaneous travel. With those they can literally crush everything Star Wars has, from individual ships, to stars, while Star Wars has no plausible chance to even strike back.
Lennard Church OHH YEAA, I posted this comment like a couple months ago. I thought I was talking about the unsc era flood. (In the comment I put forerunner era flood) So yea your right there tactics would be much diffrent then what I said. Although if it was the unsc era flood they would use those kind of tactics more.
Oooh, We have ways for things like that. It's called promethium and hellfire rounds. HIGHLY volatilely explosively flammable. All the flood will Cook so fast it'd be char broiled instantly.
Grenaders Lesh The Flood have attacked enemies by raining spores on them, tearing through every filter, and barrier they've ever encountered to get into a new host's lungs, to then convert the host into Flood biomass. Every man from the Imperium's fleet who dies in this manner will turn those same weapons on anyone not infected. How do you predict the Imperium would respond to this tactic? There are also the Star Roads, that haven't been shown to be susceptible to anything except the Halos, so how would your fleet respond to them altering gravity to implode ships, planets, and stars? Do you know of any 40k tech that fires to the same effect as the Halos?
The Didact has constraint fields. They act like the force in a way, except they hurt the person being held a lot more, and are more than capable of stopping an entire fleet from moving.
If you all are thinking just because Galactic empire has quadrillions of troops they could easily defeat the UNSC and the Covenant i wonder what would happen if the Flood were released on those quadrillions of troops whatever is left will be destroyed by the UNSC and the Covenant and the Forerunners same goes for the Rebels and oh yah the Covenant could also use there Glassing abilites to wipe out entire planets so HALO WINS!!!
+Manoah De Lang The Guardians can shut down Star Wars' Death Stars, along with their entire defending fleets, leaving Forerunner warships to obliterate everything Star Wars has, under the command of Cortana, of course.
Entirely true. Just depends on how far the survivors are willing to go. There were a couple times where small fleets just completely left the galaxy. Something like that could occur, but I don't know.
Loving the fan-boy war here. XD ....Where are the Covenant CSO-class supercarriers? Those things are huge and are very powerful. ...No really. Long Night of Solace Length 28.960 kilometers (95,013 ft 1 in) Width11.447 kilometers (37,555 ft 9 in) Armament: At least seven energy projectors Plasma turrets Pulse laser turrets Plasma Torpedoes Super Star Destroyer (Largest I could find) 19,000 meters (62,335ft 11&1⁄2in) Armament: An array of turbolaser and laser cannons, as well as tractor beam projectors. Individual designs also utilized either assault concussion missile launchers, Gravity well projectors or superlaser cannons Sadly we wouldn't be able to tell who would win-- (Angry fanboys start yelling) Calm down! The only way we'd know for sure who would win is if official members from 343 and Disney were to talk and decide. I still am more of a Halo fan though. Just is more for me then Star Wars. *shrug*
I think the Republic vs. the Covenant is probably the best pairing they could have had. Admittedly, the battle would commence at much longer range. I suspect the Covenant would fire a volley of energy projectors (at least dropping the shields on the Republic capital ships), after which the Republic would let loose with all of their Turbo Lasers and whatever else they have. I suspect Covenant Shields would be starting to drop (if we assume the Republic's weapons were in range) as they fired their second volley of Energy Projectors, finishing off the Republic Capital ships. Ground battles would be interesting, because the Clone troopers were pretty good, and had weapons that closely resembled many the Covenant had in their arsenal.
Raving Rando If I recall, the movies only show them mid-battle, so their shields have already collapsed, and the constant pummeling is preventing them from re-establishing them.
Lennard Church Not all of the battles in the films started in the middle, though. Many times, we see the Star Destroyers enter the battle, and we never see their deflector shields online. I know they have shields, but for some reason the effects team never decided to actually show them in action. o_O
Your wrong. The Executor was at least 18 kilometers long. It had Both Turbolasers against small ships and large, tractor beams, ion Cannons, superlaser beams, and a bunch of other stuff. The only weakness of an imperial star destroyer would be the bridge shields... Also why not bring in the Malevolence? One shot with the Ion Cannon and 6 ships are down.
But that's completely a fantasy since the Long Night of Solace can't even take on one ISD-1 or ISD-2 let alone a Super Star Destroyer. Heck, going from the fact that orbital macs, the most powerful weapons the UNSC has, are only single digit gigatons and are stated to be able to punch through the shield of even a Covenant Super Carrier, they can't even take on an Acclamator, an outdated design from the clone wars intended to serve a major role as troop transport in addition to a warship, and those thing's weapons fire TRIPLE DIGIT teratons... per shot... to say nothing of the reactor power at peak. Let's face it, against the Republic or Galactic Empire or CIS, the UNSC and Covenant could team up and share everything they can, and they'd STILL get roflestomped by either of the three. The only thing in Halo that can defeat the Republic or Empire or CIS (and also so badly that it makes the gap the Republic, Empire, or CIS stomp the UNSC and Covvies) are the Forerunners, Ancient Humanity, Ancient San'Shyum, Ancient Flood, and Precursors.
VunderGuy, Look at the sum total of canonical weapon depictions. Turbolasers aren't even single-ton weapons. Claiming they're "Triple Digit teratons... per shot" is nothing but fan-wankery, if not originally from you, then from whoever made the calculations you're referencing.
LNS probably beats an Executor, although not without taking some decent damage. It loses to the Eclipse class though. Since both of those are the most powerful super-capitals of their respective factions, this is a more sensible comparison.
And forerunner dreadnought's shield can withstand a mac blast thats like getting shot by lasers for days. And dreadnought's can travel to any corner of the universe in seconds or an instant. And dreadnought's can be produced by sentinals at a alarming rate inside shield worlds.
the hyperdrive allow ships to travel from the core worlds to the outer rim in 1 day and ships in star wars have more powerful weapons than ships in halo so they can probably take down that shield if not there far more powerful things that can take it down for sure. where did you find dreadnought's can be produced by sentinals at a alarming rate inside shield worlds?
Instant? I'm sorry, but no. Fastest known speed in the Halo universe is 9200 light-years per 24 hours. That was recorded when the joint UNSC-Separatists fleet made the jump to the Ark. The Galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter and the Ark was around 200,000 light years from it.
thawitchking1 Did you mean that the ships in Star Wars have too many extra zeroes in ther yield calculations? The ships in Star Wars can not spew out petatons of damage with each shot.
***** So your getting at that even though the Forerunners had difficulty stopping the Flood, they could still defeat anything and everything with incredible ease. Hm.
Dech Nourtide You're seriously underestimating the Flood. The Flood turned Forerunner ships and AIs against them. Entire armies were consumed by the Flood, turned against the Forerunners. It's basically fighting against one's self. It's either you choose to fight a losing war against an Army or Navy that slowly outnumbers your own, or make a great sacrifice. With that said, the Forerunners could still wipe anything out with ease as they even took out the Ancient Human Empire that have been rumored to have *Precursor technologies* in their pockets. They actually wiped out a race far more superior than their own even before the Flood. I don't see how your argument is valid...
Personally, I think that the nature of the Flood would be such a shock to any Star Wars faction, that by the time they realize what must be done, it'll be too late. Not even a Sun Crusher would work, because the Forerunners used the same tactic, destroying Stars and leaving Solar Systems to rot, but the Flood survived, and followed them everywhere. Literally all it would take is a single Flood spore in a core world to defeat the Republic.
Peoples seem to think the UNSC ship are weak a mac cannon shot would destroy most of star war ship and most of them have nuclear missiles and that was the old ship the new ones have forerunner shield on them.
angers karin True, BUT, those mac's fire once then take a lifetime to charge again. The archer missiles would not break the shieled's of the venetor cruisers let alone SD's or SSD's Pitch the Infinity against the death star and it is a no brainer.
Whoami691 lol no the one on small frigate take a couples minutes to charge but the one on the infinity the same as big station so it shot wonce ever 10 sec
angers karin It has 4 Mac cannons. 4. It can shoot four times instantly. But MAC cannons need TIME to charge. That is their weakness. Venetors still have the edge I'm afraid. :) Like I say, put the infinity against the death star and see what happens. :)
angers karin The MAC cannons on the INFINITY deliver 44 gigatons of energy per shot. The heavy turbolasers on a Venator deliver at least 22gigatons per shot(there are estimates that are much higher)
Oh and here’s my opinion on the topic the range of a turbo laser is incredibly low compared to a super Mac cannon Even if you bring the Death Star into play the star wars universe is screwed the Death Star has the tonnage but lacks range and versatility and since we are throwing the entirety of both universes at each other that means the flood would be involved, not even the droid armies would last long because the flood accumulates knowledge. All it would take for the flood to single handily win would be to assimilate someone in each leadership of each Star Wars faction. While the Star Wars universe has the Force users the halo universe has both the precursors and the forerunners, WHO BOTH HAVE FORCE LIKE ABILITIES, even a mantis from the halo universe has more versatility than an at st and a scarab tank can easily wreck an AT AT because again Star Wars vehicles LACK VERSATILITY
The there’s also the fact the the halo universe has the better elite soldiers: millions of elites, and brutes, and at this point in the halo universe there is AT THE VERY LEAST 10 THOUSAND SPARTANS, the best the Star Wars universe has to offer is the elite clone trooper units which by the way would be wrecked hands down by the sheer numbers and skill of spartans elites and brutes Now to space conflicts specifically 1 word guardians... each guardian has enough firepower to police solar systems and if necessary COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE THEM and there’a at least 30 guardians btw Oh there’s also the unsc infinity the only thing in the halo universe able to “ESCAPE” a guardian but it actually could defeat a guardian or 2 because 1. It’s firepower 2. The fact that it has an entire fleet of shielded. Mac and nuke enabled, and have slip space worthy frigates, that’s 11 ships 1 infinity and 10 frigates Also infinity had a sister ship that was discontinued bring the sister ship into the playing field, and they could stand an effective chance( by themselves ) against the entire republic, now bring in the rest of both universes, and the Star Wars universe is absolutely screwed
Star wars wins because they have the Excecutor, the Hammer, the Eisenfaust, the Eclipse and over 20 SSD's and over 3.000 Imperial-Class-Star-Destroyer.....and the Deathstar, and over 30.000 TIE Bomber/Fighter/Scouter...and the Mandator I/II :D
Sas Ses Puhlease. Star Wars largest ships are 10 miles-Eclipse class. Covenants largest ships are 18 miles-CSO class. Forerunner dreadnoughts are about 9 miles long, but they are made of highly durable metal. Halo's San Shyuum military used to literally crash through fleets of Sangheili ships with them. Not to mention the 100,000+ KM Forerunner fortress class ships. The mantles approach ACCORDING to the Halo 4 visual guide, is 89 miles long, 86 miles wide, and 231 miles tall.
Rakata Channel What do you mean "THE" Covenant Armada? The Covenant have several fleets throughout the Galaxy. BTW, Earth isn't the only UNSC Colony, they have several planets in different star systems. Off the top of my head, I know Earth, Mars, Arcadia, Luna, Draco III (Got mostly glassed, but it's still habitable on some areas. Sedra (Not really UNSC, but it has been affiliated with them, and several others.) The Forerunner Fortress class ships are over 100 Kilometers long. Forerunner Keyships are about 14 kilometers long, BUT whatever type of metal Forerunner ships are made of, must be incredible powerful, because 3 Heavy UNSC frigates each shot Mac Rounds at one of its legs (It's kind of triangle shaped) and the ship didn't even have a scratch. Not to mention that UNSC ships are now equipped with reverse-engineered forerunner shields and slipspace drives. The UNSC Infinity literally slammed through a 2 kilometer RCS armored crusier (Bigger than standard Star Destroyers) and that ship was literally blown to smithereens. The Infinity didn't even have a scratch on it because of its shielding.
What if Forerunners use composers on the Star Wars ships? It's literally a beam that disintegrates living matter into data that is converted into Soldiers made out of hard light and some sort of forerunner alloy. Not to mention that Ancient humans could orbitally bombard planets as well. They destroyed entire star systems full of planets so they could stop the flood from spreading. Speaking of the flood, they can actually command dead corpses. They can gain access to their hosts memories, intelligence, etc. They could literally take control of a star destroyer and ram it into a planet. From there, the flood spread like bacteria on steroids.
lol Halo 2 was legit with its civil war, im referring to references that i dare not bring up, but in general Covenant just like MOST stories with aliens vs humans should of won.. But eh humans always have to win some how.
Im sorry but i would actually have to agree with the star wars side. (this is stricly removing the use of flood, halo rings in halo or the death troopers, malovenence, death star, cloning from star wars) They're technology is so far superior its ridiculous. Before i delve into the problems of physics, i should probably state why star wars would easily win. Star wars outnumbers halo ridiculously, i believe the population of coruscant alone is some number of trillions. Heck, courascant could beat the halo army alone being such a massively industrialized place. Also star forge creates so many ships so quickly, it could easily take it out. bombers have torpedoes that are really overpowered. jedi and sith. and yes in the old republic there were hundreds of thousands And starkiller can bring down an entire frigate sooo. halo has a much smaller population and although humans have small populations on many planets, the covenant are concentrated in large masses meaning very easy extermination. like seriously the biggest fleet in halo was 17 super carriers. pretty pathetic compared to just the fighting fleets at the beginning of star wars episode 3. now for the physics, the dreaded physics basically it safe to say that lasers travel at the speed of light, however the only possible reason for it now working in star wars is due to actual manipulation the speed of light itself. Therefore, if a ship reliant on lasers, was to enter halo, and its laws of physics, its lasers would travel at the speed of light in a vacuum. ***** also your theory of a bullet travelling really fast is fucking stupid, in space that unit of measurement could not be crossed without a riduclous amount of force, so by these new defined rules, starwars munitions would impact immediately compared to the slow plasma warheads and archer missles used by halo. also faster than light travel is different in each case. Halo uses a fictional dimension to travel space, however star wars engages hyper space. both of these dont exist in our universe so good luck with that (as far as we know). Also the hull of each ships wouldnt be properly designed for each other. star wars hull would be designed to withstand concentrated photons whereas halo is required to prevent particle projections also dont mention spartans because commandos. also bacta makes excellent healing compared to conventional health packs (ha)
I have to disagree with you. If you were to bar the Flood from being argued for the Halo-verse in the context of this setup, the only fair sacrifice for Star Wars to balance would be No Force sensitives. And I hope you just had that reflex reaction of "no that would be stupid" because that's what you just did to Halo fans. You ignore the Flood (an entire faction in the Halo universe that could spell the doom of Star Wars on its own), The Halos, which would also solo the Star Wars galaxy. And all you give up from the Star Wars side are the Death Star (Halo has destroyed plenty of planets so they don't need the Death Star to be held back), Cloning (It can take months or years to produce an army of clones, and Halo can turn your own armies into Prometheans for themselves in an instant, so they don't need you to sacrifice cloning), Star Wars needs ships like the Malovenence if they are going to compete with Supercarriers and the Forerunner Keyship, and I'd need you to clarify "death troopers". Are you referring to the book, the "Death Star Troopers", "Dark Troopers"? "Star wars outnumbers halo ridiculously, i believe the population of coruscant alone is some number of trillions. Heck, courascant could beat the halo army alone being such a massively industrialized place." The composers making a pass over Courascant would result in "some number of trillions" of Promethean Knights waging war against Star Wars' other planets and fleets. Star Wars' numbers isn't actually an advantage. Thinking that planet could take on everything in Halo shows drastically flawed reasoning. "Also star forge creates so many ships so quickly, it could easily take it out." Forerunner forges function to exactly the same effect. Self-repairing ships can be made in an afternoon, and even an entire Halo can be crafted from scratch in only 6 months, complete with terraformed surface, and stable weather patterns. Also, last I checked, the ships made by the Star Forge required pilots, whereas thousands of Forerunner Ships can be controlled by a single Ancilla. "jedi and sith." Assassins kill Jedi and Sith all the time, and don't need to be force sensitive to do so. How many Jedi did Boba Fett kill. I believe it was at least 4. Also, Jedi have trouble deflecting solid projectiles such as the pellets from a Shotgun (which the UNSC has in spades). "halo has a much smaller population and although humans have small populations on many planets, the covenant are concentrated in large masses meaning very easy extermination. like seriously the biggest fleet in halo was 17 super carriers. pretty pathetic compared to just the fighting fleets at the beginning of star wars episode 3." Do I even need to explain what's wrong with this? Modern UNSC is small, but the Forerunners, Ancient Human Empire, and the Covenant are massive. Even if I ignore the Forerunners, your appraisal of the Covenant is wrong. They have scout ships, they have small exploration fleets, they have assault fleets numbering in the hundreds, but their concentration of thousands of ships swarming High Charity, is no different than Star Wars leaving a few extra ships to defend something they find important. High Charity is a location of religious significance to the Covenant, but they have countless worlds under their control, so they didn't put all of their eggs in one basket. "basically it safe to say that lasers travel at the speed of light, however the only possible reason for it now working in star wars is due to actual manipulation the speed of light itself. Therefore, if a ship reliant on lasers, was to enter halo, and its laws of physics, its lasers would travel at the speed of light in a vacuum." Blasters are not "lasers". Blasters use lasers to create a pulse of plasma which they then fire. That is why they move slower than light, not because they're manipulating the speed of it. So no, the blasters shots would not move any faster vs Halo. " +blackjacklover70 also your theory of a bullet travelling really fast is fucking stupid, in space that unit of measurement could not be crossed without a riduclous amount of force, so by these new defined rules, starwars munitions would impact immediately compared to the slow plasma warheads and archer missles used by halo." As I stated, your assumption that Star Wars weapon projectiles moving any faster than they currently do is 100% wrong, and calling someone stupid for challenging you is lame. Star Wars uses lasers to generate Plasma, and rarely (if ever) shoot the Lasers themselves as the weapons. "also faster than light travel is different in each case. Halo uses a fictional dimension to travel space, however star wars engages hyper space. both of these dont exist in our universe so good luck with that (as far as we know)." Actually once you get into higher level mathematics, the numbers only work out if you calculate for the existence of more dimensions than the 4 space-time dimensions. So I don't see what you're trying to get at with that statement. "Also the hull of each ships wouldnt be properly designed for each other. star wars hull would be designed to withstand concentrated photons whereas halo is required to prevent particle projections" To put the ship designs into context... Halo ships are like a knight in plate armor who fights with a War-hammer. They need something rigid to protect them from the massive amount of force that hits all at once. Star Wars ships are knights in chain-mail, designed to protect them from the death by a thousand cuts that their Turbo-lasers inflict. If anything, Star Wars ships are drastically underpowered compared to Halo's Covenant, simply because of their armament. "also dont mention spartans because commandos." You'd have to pull something really good for Commandos to look decent against the combined forces of the Halo universe. Grunts can drown you in plasma, and they regularly are fielded with Fuel Rod Cannons, so they can handle heavy armor pretty easily. Elites and Spartans are phenomenal soldiers, and are well armed and armored. Better yet are the Forerunner Warrior Servants. With tens of thousands of years of combat experience before they pick up a gun for the first time, standing over 12 feet tall, and wearing armor that can withstand punishment that would disintegrate anything less defended. The Didact alone was able to take on Master Chief and the whole of Blue Team simultaneously. So how are those Commandos of yours going to hold up? "also bacta makes excellent healing compared to conventional health packs" Bacta tanks are used off of the battlefied. Biofoam can temporarily replace an obliterated lung to allow the soldier to keep fighting. And Forerunner Armor actually knits them back together if they get wounded. Is there some other use for "bacta" that I don't know about? "(ha)" I believe this is where I drop the mic. I'd refrain, but you called someone's theory "f***ing stupid" when you were the one who was wrong. You assert that Halo's tech can't measure up, but only after you've ignored all of the Halo tech you know about. Weak tea dude.
The reason using the flood or halos doesn't count is because the result of those being used will destroy both sides, so no winner. Everyone dies. Flood, though they're halo, still will not ally with the rest of halo. They will continue to feed upon all sentient beings, whether they be halo or Star Wars, until there is nothing left. Halo will obviously kill everyone too, and the halo forces haven't even been outside of the Orion arm of the galaxy!
snakeboy1912 The Halo games take place primarily in the Orion arm of the galaxy, but the Forerunner empire spanned most of the galaxy, and the Precursors' presided over at least two entire galaxies. So Halo's scale is larger than just the Orion Arm. I understand your argument concerning ignoring the Halos and Flood as trump-cards, but they don't necessarily spell the doom of everything. The Halos can be deployed tactically, as to purge enemy locations without taking out their own fleets. Alternatively, Prometheans and Monitors can be used to man fleets defending the Halos or fighting battles within the Halos' area of effect. The Flood still hold a twisted view of the Mantle. In spite of directly stating that they're going to absorb everything so that their creations can never harm them again, they have repeatedly favored humans, and have not fought in such a way as to effectively consume everything. In stead, they've saved Humanity from the Forerunners, by convincing the Forerunners that Humanity had found a cure, they then save humanity again by tearing through the forces of the Covenant, and destroying its capital. They also spare humanity by only attacking one city when they arrive at the Great Portal, allowing the Sangheili to purge the Flood from the Planet, whereas they could have completely infected everything like they did with the world the Librarian and Didact lived on. The Flood were calculated to be able to completely consume the entire galaxy in only 3 hundred years, yet they fought for thousands, tearing away at the Forerunners out of vengeance. It is plausible that they would leave a human-controlled Halo galaxy alone, as they completely consume the outside threat. Then again they might live up to their word, and it would be everyone vs. the Flood in stead of Halo vs. Star Wars.
Even though the flood may side with halo now, thy can easily be taken out by clone blasters from hundreds of yards away. Stormtrooper may be not very accurate(according to movies) but clones are DEAD ON accurate. AND the flood can't feed on CIS droids. And force users can just lightsaber throw or use force lightning
Imperial comms are also quite outdated. While hulls are a factor, I was referring more to that the energy field would interfere with signals, such as how lead interferes with phone signals.
If it's just Human and covenant vs Starwars, Starwars would stomp on Halo. But if it includes the Forerunners and the Precursors, Halo would stomp on Starwars.
I am a big time halo fan, I've read a large portion of the books, played/ completed all the games. I'm not being biased, as I consider my self a minor fan of starwars, watched all the films, played a few of the games. So read what I say carefully, as I'm gonna burn you... As halo would easily win. I'm going to state a few of the possible ways halo could win in each faction. Humans (U.N.S.C) The humans vehicles vary in speed and power, but let's be honest the humans don't need them to destroy a deathstar! 1)All they need a collection of long swords (ships) to fly around and distract the guns/cannons. They could drop 80 O.D.S.Ts into battle, landing on the star destroyer, taking out as many soldiers as they need to, up until they get to the bridge, then they destroy the Death Star from the inside. But wait! What if Darth Vader is on there as well? O.D.S.Ts are extremely skilled in combat, they're not as good as spartains... But when they're in high numbers. They are bloody amazing! An estimated of 40 - 50 O.D.S.Ts would probably die in the clearing of the star destroyer. That leaves 30+ soldiers left, o don't think Darth Vader could deflect 30 bullets at once. That's right, the U.N.S.C use bullets, not lazers, bullets are made of reinforced metal. so they can not be deflected, just halved. So the bullets would eventually hit Vader, and injure him. Especially if they use a shot gun. 2) they could drop in a fire team of spartains. A fire team contains 4-5 spartains. These Spartans are genetically enhanced, they could toss a tank using their bare hands if they wanted, they are incredibly strong, their reflexes are instant! And their intelligence levels are inhuman! If Vader tried to choke one of them, it simply wouldn't work, as the didact attempted it, and he failed! Spartans shields are immensely strong. Vader would just simply die! One punch would send him flying down a corridor, they could just shoot him whilst he's vulnerable. And yes, they could dodge his light sabre, as their acrobatic skills are something else, (Google it) 3) the U.N.S.C INFINITY could just fly around and blast it, a huge hole would emerge in the star destroyer, and the troopers would be pulled out in the vacume, and become exposed in the void. Then pepper it with lazers and stuff. It would physically melt, and that's difficult, it's in space! And it would still melt! The Covenant Unlike the humans, this collection of alien races prefer quantity over quality, they would rather spam the target with lasers and glass it. So it's unusable again. 1) destroy the hangar, and make a breach. Then spam drop ships, send in an arbiter! A well as some of the best units available to them. As well as some engineers and hunters. Arbiters are a sangheli version of a spartain. Except he isn't genetically enhanced, just physically strong, unlike spartains, Arbiters can destroy entire army's on their own, one prime example from "Halo: Evolutions" one Arbiter demolished an entire army of 5,000 men. And 200 tanks! All by himself on one battlefield, he killed them all without having to leave the battlefield for refreshments, or breaks. So once the arbiter is dropped on the Death Star... It's pretty much doomed! But wait! What if Darth Vader attacked the arbiter? The sangheli worrier wields too energy swords. These energy swords are made of hard light, which is impenetrable, indistructable. So Vader has no chance of chopping it in half. And if Vader attempted to force choke the Arbiter, it wouldn't work, they're too strong, they would resist the force and kill Vader. 2) bring 8 cruisers, and glass the Death Star, destroy it with plasma, glass it until it melts, make it unusable. The Forerunners The forerunners are the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, at a tier 1 tech, whilst humans are at tier 4 and the covenant are at tier 5. They would rather use intelligence to defeat their opponent with using the minimal amount of resources as possible. 1) fire the composer on the Death Star, and kill all of the human life on it. From my knowlage, the imperial alliance are mostly human. The composer is a device that harvests all human souls and digitalises them, making them ancient artificial warriors! And turning them against their allies. All they have to do is kill all human life on there, and send the premethian soldiers to kill the remaining targets. This would kill Darth Vader, as he is Human! 2) Fire a halo ring, it wouldn't damage the Death Star in any way, but it would kill every living thing on there, as well as anything surrounding it, so it would kill all the pilots in the defending ships. Precursors (Flood) They ware greater than the Forerunners, until they damaged them selves in war. Originally tier 0 but changed and became all 10 tiers! They turned them selves to dust, hoping to resurrect them selves at a later date. It didnt work! They became a zombie like substance feasting on any living tissue. 1) infect the near by colonies, and make all forces turn against them selves, causing the death star to be attacked from all directions! 2)drop one flood spore onto the death star, and infect everyone from the inside. Killing every thing! So, if you think Star Wars would stand a chance against Halo, your on some serious drugs. Star Wars wouldn't even stand a chance. They would become extinct very quickly!
Rakata Channel The portal to the Ark in located at earth, so it would be a quick trip to get there... Fire the halo's and boom. Also, Spartans would easily kill Dark Troopers and Shadow Guards... and Sith clones would get destroyed by the Arbiter
The unsc has been using forerunner shields and the mac guns can push through most shields not to mention that the unsc does have a super weapon the nova bomb so you can't exactly count them out not to mention Spartans and odst are the first ones to be sent into battle to open up lz for the Marines and other focus.
IAmGunzNoob I guess you never heard of the biggest Secret in the Halo Universe. A secret that HaloNation hates when it got released. The secret is....the Flood
this matchup is TOTALLY unfair, let's face facts in space the UNSC would have NO chance against star wars ships, it would be like w/ the covenant, the only thing the UNSC had working for them were the spartans!
Someone forgot about mac cannons, The UNSC Infinity could easily take out a republic battle cruiser with I the span of 10 seconds, and the covenants Battle cruisers shoot plasma, plasma would go straight through star wars energy shields, plus the races in star wars use hard light and lasers, it has been proven that unsc and covenant armor is pretty affective against this weaponry, and ballistic weapons would chew straight through a droid or trooper.. and this wouldn't only be a space war, imagine the fights in the ground. plus, If it were Star Wars universe vs Halo universe, where all races in said universe are allied to fight the other universe, you need to account for the flood, forerunners, precursors, and the Prometheans
To say halo is gonna get curbstomped is a gross understatement of the UNSC's power. If it is post War the humans have few ships left. Or more realistically their fleet is a shadow of it's former self. But the few they have are outfitted with shiney forerunner tech. Even if you remove the upgrades the UNSC still has the most destructive ship to ship weapon known. The MAC cannon. The MAC fires a 6000 lb round at a fraction of the speed of light. this kinetic force will shatter hard armor on ships. What I mean is the armor that is compacted to be hard and durable. The star wars ships are all like this. The shields which are used to deflect and disrupt energy blasts and light projectiles will not protect against the kinetic force that is thrown at it by a MAC. Sure the shields might hold but with some ships the hull will crumple against the "push" on the shields. And the turbo blasters that you so naively state will curbstomp the UNSC ships? They are weak with range. To be clear. at closer ranges they are crazy powerful. but it's like throwing a rock, at some point the energy it took to throw it disperses. That energy is heat. As some point the blast disperse because the heat is gone. Where as newton law states an object in motion stays in motion until it is acted upon by a different force equal or greater MAC rounds will fly clean and true until something stops them. That leads to another point. Can you dodge them? UNSC ships can, but Starwars ships are like the titanic. Can't turn to save your life. Your ships may be fast but only is one direction. that's because the tech doesn't allow it. Those retro lifts or whatever the thing 'Big' Ships use to stay in orbit. Fighters yes those are far faster and agile for fighters in the Star Wars Galaxy but again the tech is so far advanced that they forget the basics. UNSC fighters are capable of both air and space combat. just like the Fighters in Star Wars. But here is the key difference. Their fighters are the primary sword and shield of their ships while UNSC fighters are used as a last resort. mainly as a distraction to give the home ship time to leave or finish the job. The UNSC fighters are big, armored, and fast, not lets not forget the weapons. The star wars fighters all have different roles. The UNSC fighter is all in one. am I saying the star wars fighters are weak? no they are very good at what they do. but so are the UNSC. Anyone who says Halo vehicles are Overpowered are stupid. But what they lack they make up for in combat speed. The AT-AT is a slow tall weapons platform that only has guns facing one direction. While the UNSC tank is a "fast" low to the ground weapons platform that has gyrostabilizers to keep the main gun pointed at the same target no matter where it is. It also has higher rate of fire and more accurate. Now the AT-TE will be a much better match up. Weapons on all sides. a center gun emplacement, low to the ground, can scale walls, and work in the void of space. Yes the AT-TE used by clones would be a better tank to go up against the scorpion. The personal weapon that the arm the forces of the UNSC are not weak. they are the most powerful weapons that have ever been used by humans. yes there is a variety of guns and calibers but the overall punch of the gun has only increased. In the books the unshielded grunts and jackals were easily torn to shreds by the amount of firepower that is thrown at them. Projectile guns are more accurate. That is a fact. And as for range and firepower. The same rule applies as with the turbo blasters. over larger distances they lose their strength. if you want a long distance shot you need a slower blaster with longer barrel. the same rule with Projectiles, more accurate the shot the slower the rate of fire. Force users need extensive training to even try to use the force with someone or something. And even then it s only really effective when the mind is weak, or the object is simple and immobile. You don't survive a thirty year war with a weak mind. And as for the jedi or sith. they sense emotions things that the most elite of UNSC defence force is known to switch off in times of battle. and as for the actual combat. hehe The amount of fire they will draw to themselves will tear them apart. UNSC forces know that swords mean high ranking and therefore high valued target. And people always forget the most important thing that come with war. It's people, planets, and resources. As well as getting there and back. The Star Wars galaxy is full of different species, ships, and conflicts. And fleets that are in use will always be called to something. The Imperial fleet. That is so massive that everyone just assumes is doing nothing is actually guarding planets, trade routes, and are on numerous patrols that will make logistics nowadays seem like planning a prom. The Star Wars galaxy may have extensive resources to pull out of their collective arses, but even then who's paying for it. And to a greater note is the difference in FTL (faster than light). The UNSC uses Slipspace which is them going to another plain and popping out at their destination. Star wars ships need line of sight to engage the hyper drive. And more importantly they need a map of the Galaxy. So if they are invading, they will get blocked so hard because of a directive known a the Cole protocol where it says that any data that tells the location of earth and any colony be deleted and the ship self destruct in the result of boarding. In star wars. Nope, they have no backup for that. so all it takes is a map and with translations and next you have the city of Coruscant surrounded by a fleet of unknowns firing on it who can slip undetected from the burning city before the fleets could respond. No it wouldn't. It would be a good match for any faction.
Rtas 'Vadam is an amazing Shipmaster and fleet commander. It's no surprise he was able to defeat a larger fleet led by anyone. Also, that scenario doesn't prove that Brutes are necessarily bad at Space Combat, just that Sangheili are better. Also, I'd much rather have a Wookie or a Brute defending me on the ground than a droid. Your scenario on Kashyyk just shows that Wookies are good at ground combat. It says nothing about their space capabilities.
Max calculations for a MAC gun is 1.17 Gigatons. I'm fairly certain the shields on a SSD can take at least one hit from that. Also, the most commonly accepted calc is 64 kilotons, which probably would barely scratch the paint on an Imperial class ship prepared for an attack.
personally i think this was pretty good. but if you plan on doing another, see if you can add a little bit better animation for everything and more explosions! cause everyone loves when things just blow up and crash :) lol good job man!
ONI also has the location of the Lesser and (supposed) Greater Ark, or a Master Ark of some sort, from which they can activate and fire all of the Halo rings
but the frigate in this video is a Paris heavy, the same as the unsc savanna from halo reach so it should be a little smaller than a ccs battle cruiser and close to the size of a corvette
Covenant shielding is weak against over heated plasma something which star wars ships rarely use as weapons.. The covenant plasma torpedo is so hot and such a large blast radius that its capable of disabling or destroy an entire UNSC ship.. It melts away titanium A in seconds and titanium A is one of UNSC's most strongest type of titanium. UNSC ships hall is 4.6 meters thick some are 10 meters thick.. The covenant is also capable of mass producing ships and weapons and soldiers. The unggoy is cappable of giving birth to dozens at a time and grows very fast..
alot of ships in star wars have Ion cannons which are made to disable shields and computer systems. and the empires army outnumber both the UNSC and Covenant combined
thawitchking1 The Empire cannot hope to outnumber at least a billion active Marines and Army Troopers plus a billion on reserve. If it cannot put down a petty rebellion that would be crushed in a single strike by an overwhelming force then its numbers are way less than 100 million active soldiers.
-Stealer-L1F3 Oh... and the 2 billion comes from my random calculations based on the Human-Covenant War where AT LEAST a billion of active combat personnel were necessary to fight the Covenant on hundreds of worlds and to man the thousands of ships.
-Stealer-L1F3 the empire has around 30 trillion man in it's army the rebellion was all over the place not in one place till the battle of Endor which they would have been crash but the imperial fleet was disorganized after the death of palpatine and the destruction of the empire most powerful weapon again they fled
thawitchking1 Bullshit. The Empire cannot muster so many people. Their economy wasn't that good and they DIDN'T have control over the entire Galaxy. To have a standing army of 30 trillion men, the upkeep must be sky-high... literally. One pile of 500 dollar notes reaching 100 kilometers high would be the price of upholding half or one fourth an army of that size and that's not even counting in the Imperial-class Star Destroyers which were extremely priceful. That makes the monthly upkeep at least ten times bigger.
Idk, I looked for it too, and I found the one part when Vader was talking with three Imperial Officers via hologram, and then an asteroid was shown destroying one of the ISDs mid-conversation.
Not necessarily. SW capital ships have dual layered shields, and their ray shields protect against energy based attacks, rendering glassing beams useless
I jumped around in the scene a bit and I never saw it. Perhaps I just missed it. The only thing with the asteroid field that I saw was the chase into the slug, then a couple officers saying they lost it, Vader's mad. The Bounty Hunters, and when Vader orders the ship out of the field so he can get a clear hologram signal.
It really depends who they're fighting. If it's the UNSC, they'll look at the war as Jawas trying to throw rocks at ISDs in space. If it's the Covenant, they'll look at it as a faction strong enough, but nearly big enough to actually pose a threat, if it's the Flood, Forerunners, or Precursors, Halo would be writing the history, not Star Wars.
Star Wars Acclamator-class particle shields have a resistance equal to roughly 10,000 SuperMAC shots. A Super Star Destroyer is many times larger, and it's shielding strength is many times greater.
The pinnacle? The pinnacle of Forerunner technology would be constraint fields that can stop a fleet still. Or the ability to literally grow a battle-ready warship from a seed. Or the ability to create planets, or destroy stars. Or maybe the ability to get just about anywhere in the galaxy within days. Or their ability to travel to other dimensions. Or the Halo rings.
Does it create more rings, or is it just firing control? If it creates more rings, it could absolutely take out the SW universe, but it'd face stiff opposition from any fleet still active, and the rings would be destroyed pretty quickly, so it'd take a long time.
If you're talking about the UNSC Infinity, that ship would get Roflstomped by a Covenant Supercarrier. Notice how the only Covenant Ships the Infinity came in contact with were light and heavy Gunboats, and the Mantle's Approach completely ignored the Infinity. If the Mantle had turned her guns on the Infinity, the Pride and Core of the UNSC fleet would be gone in seconds.
But you have to remember that the death star 2.0 had deflector shields and twice as many cannons and it could fire more shots from the main cannon in a shorter amount of time.
If that's the case then that would mean Covenant Communications are more advanced than Imperial comms. It would also place the hull armor of an ISD at around the strength of a standard UNSC Cruiser. That means that if a Halcyon Cruiser (which is quite outdated) caught an ISD in an asteroid field trying to communicate with another ship,the Halcyon would likely win. Especially if it's been refitted with the Pillar of Autumn's upgrades.
You'll always find an outcome favorable to the Republic? How about this scenario: The Venator finds itself in uncharted space with a damaged Hyperdrave unit incapable of engaging, and is surrounded by twelve of the newer model Forerunner Fortress class ships, with both Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias controlling the Battlegroup. What positive outcome for the Republic could possibly come from that?
The only minor details I can find about a Supercarrier are very scarce. "Plasma turrets" "Pulse laser turrets" "Plasma torpedoes" and the Projectors are apparently the only armaments. Would certainly put up a fight, and it's bigger than any SSD, though I have no real guess as to how well they would fair in a fight. Not enough details.
It was advanced for it's own time, but not the current SW universe time. The books have progressed to about 44 ABY, 'After the Battle of Yavin', with the death star. The Clone Wars started around 22 BBY, the earliest possible time the Negotiator could've been constructed. So while the Negotiator was probably powerful for it's time, it's also about 63-68 years old.
A few did make it to the Shield worlds, the important ones that weren't busy working their asses off to make sure the flood didn't turn the Halo Array into dust and assimilate the Universe into itself.
The death star was defeated by Photon Torpedoes in one of it's exhaust ports. Not exactly a slugging match, if you ask me - What would a HAVOK Thermonuclear Weapon, or a NOVA Bomb achieve?
I never said that it was going slowly. It never showed that and turbolasers were being fired. Also, if they were letting shields down to fire at asteroids, why would they launch fighters and pull out of the field? Also why do people always assume they will automatically start fighting each other? Obviously the Covenant will start something but if every human faction teamed up they would own face.
I don't know too much about the Plasma turrets, though I know Pulse laser turrets are used for relatively close range ship-to-ship combat and can easily dispatch smaller ships and fighter squadrons, etc. Plasma Torpedoes contain enough energy to completely vapourise entire continents and seas, so that puts it in the High Gigaton, Low Teraton range.
No, but you did question how it could be going thousands of miles in a field, so I explained how its possible. Shields can be lowered so the extreme power they use can be diverted to the turbolasers. They launched fighters to actually chase the Falcon. They pulled out, if I remember the scene correctly, because Vader had a holocomm message from Sidious.
your slightly both wrong, from the battle it's republic + unsc vs covenant + sepertist (don't know how to spell that) so technically either way they both win?
The most powerful force overall, in both franchises combined are the Precursors. They're eternal beings, existing entirely outside of both space and time, which means they can not be harmed in any way, because they're beyond the ability of any temporal being to even reach. Precursors interact with space-time and the beings within it by creating avatars, such as the Flood. These carry out the will of the Precursors, sometimes with the aid of Neural Physics constructs, which are literally the manifest willpower of the Precursors. Neural Physics constructs are immune to every form of damage except for one specific instance of a weapon which actually damages the universe itself. Similarly the Flood have not yet been seen acting to their full potential. They took millenia to conquer the Milky Way galaxy, when the Forerunners had calculated that even without the Star Roads, or other Neural Physics constructs, the Flood could have consumed everything in the galaxy within a few hundred years. The Forerunners have equivalent or superior technologies to pretty much everything I've seen in Star Wars, in addition to a plethora of technologies for which Star Wars has no equivalent. Star Wars can't stop the Halos from firing. They have no way to find out about them in time, and their fleets would not be able to get through the Forerunners' defences in time. EMP-type weapons are extremely effective in Star Wars (via ion cannons, or other similar weapons), which means they have no plausible defense against the Guardians shutting everything down. The Guardians could effectively shut down all of Star Wars' tech, leaving immobile, defenseless fleets ready for the slaughter by Forerunner forces. Star Wars likewise has no defense against Composers. They could lose entire planetary populations, only for the fallen to re-emerge as Prometheans. The Covenant is much closer to Star Wars' level of technology, even though the Covenant's space battles are more akin to a swift decapitation, while Star Wars' is more akin to a "death by a thousand cuts". Under the right circumstances, even UNSC fleets would be able to stand against Star Wars fleets of similar or smaller size. I can elaborate on any of these details further if anyone is interested, just as I'm willing to enter a well-sourced debate if someone is willing to take up the other side. However, there have been a plethora of simply false arguments (many from a particular Chris Heyburn). Rather than the most common ones emerging slowly, I'll simply cast them down here. The argument that the Halos can't be used against the Star Wars galaxy, because they're in the Milky Way Galaxy is completely false, because throughout the franchise, the Halos have been observed to move both of their own accord, and via Portals created by other structures. The argument that the Halos can't be used against the Star Wars galaxy because it would kill all of Halo's forces as well is completely false because the Halos can be tuned to just about any range the Forerunners need, so they could easily be set to exterminate Star Wars' galaxy without harming Halo's. The Flood not being usable, because they'd eat all of Halo's races too is hogwash, because even if the Flood ate everyone on both sides, the Flood is still from the Halo universe, and thus when they were the only ones left, Halo would still win. Additionally, given the Flood's relationship to the Precursors, they would not consume all of Halo's races, being as the Flood has been tasked with molding events to asure humanity's ascention to the Mantle. The argument that the Jedi are all-powerful is rediculous, because we have several example of non-Force sensitives, killing Jedi fairly easily (Mandelorians, Droids, Clones, Assassins. Any assumption that the size of a ship directly equates to its power relative to the other franchise is wrong, because they use very different weapons as stated above. Literally any calculation he pulls from Stardestroyer. net should be discarded. That sight grossly exaggerates calculations, ignoring all limiting factors. For example, Chris will argue kiloton range guns on the AT-ATs, when we see the weapons firing into people and turrets, with nothing even resembling even a low-yield nuclear explosion. Even when the AT-AT shoots the shield generator, we don't see that.
To AngryTrucker: I agree, however everyone has always speculated between the two forces of the Croissant Army and USNC? Should they be allies or enemies? I honestly think that HALO machinma productions and studios, should make a machinma about this two armies! It would be the most epic of all of HALO BATTLES! Their should a machinma about these two fighting each other! Or the Covenant causing an assassination to one of their commando clone leaders which would the USNC be framed for the assignation and that the Corrusant Republic Army Would nearly win the war until the Spartans along with ONI Held a secret meeting while the war was going on with Corrisaunt to investigate why the Covenant would start a war with the two armies that originally had met and would form an alliance. And why would the covenant armies try to disrupt the peace between the USNC and the Corrisaunt Army? Wouldn't that be amazing? Imagine what characters would be chosen for this movie? Probably a lot from Forgotten Spartans, Rise of the Spartans, and Bone and many others as well. The series would be a big hit to the Machinama production company of RUclips, it would probably the biggest Blockbuster machinama in history! Their should be one for it. Don't you think?
yea plus putting shields on a capital ship costs alot. but there armor is cheaper and and not so sophisticated so they can mass produce some of there stuff i would think
If there's one difference between the UNSC and the Republic ships that I love being pointed out is that Republic Ships are also built for their aesthics, they also play the role of being paraded around. Ships from the UNSC on the otherhand are built for war and it shows.
Never have I been more confused in my life.
4th degree warp realm fuckery. 🤣
@@Spartan135 the only thing I’m confused about is why there were only Luserhulks for the CIS no Munificent frigates or Recusant Destroyers or Providence Dreadnaughts
The Empire has the Death Star, but the UNSC has the NOVA bomb.
***** HALOS will kill all in the galaxy
I am a big time halo fan, I've read a large portion of the books, played/ completed all the games.
I'm not being biased, as I consider my self a minor fan of starwars, watched all the films, played a few of the games.
So read what I say carefully, as I'm gonna burn you... As halo would easily win. I'm going to state a few of the possible ways halo could win in each faction.
Humans (U.N.S.C)
The humans vehicles vary in speed and power, but let's be honest the humans don't need them to destroy a deathstar!
1)All they need a collection of long swords (ships) to fly around and distract the guns/cannons.
They could drop 80 O.D.S.Ts into battle, landing on the star destroyer, taking out as many soldiers as they need to, up until they get to the bridge, then they destroy the Death Star from the inside.
But wait! What if Darth Vader is on there as well? O.D.S.Ts are extremely skilled in combat, they're not as good as spartains... But when they're in high numbers. They are bloody amazing! An estimated of 40 - 50 O.D.S.Ts would probably die in the clearing of the star destroyer. That leaves 30+ soldiers left, o don't think Darth Vader could deflect 30 bullets at once. That's right, the U.N.S.C use bullets, not lazers, bullets are made of reinforced metal. so they can not be deflected, just halved. So the bullets would eventually hit Vader, and injure him. Especially if they use a shot gun.
2) they could drop in a fire team of spartains. A fire team contains 4-5 spartains. These Spartans are genetically enhanced, they could toss a tank using their bare hands if they wanted, they are incredibly strong, their reflexes are instant! And their intelligence levels are inhuman! If Vader tried to choke one of them, it simply wouldn't work, as the didact attempted it, and he failed!
Spartans shields are immensely strong.
Vader would just simply die! One punch would send him flying down a corridor, they could just shoot him whilst he's vulnerable.
And yes, they could dodge his light sabre, as their acrobatic skills are something else, (Google it)
3) the U.N.S.C INFINITY could just fly around and blast it, a huge hole would emerge in the star destroyer, and the troopers would be pulled out in the vacume, and become exposed in the void.
Then pepper it with lazers and stuff. It would physically melt, and that's difficult, it's in space! And it would still melt!
The Covenant
Unlike the humans, this collection of alien races prefer quantity over quality, they would rather spam the target with lasers and glass it. So it's unusable again.
1) destroy the hangar, and make a breach. Then spam drop ships, send in an arbiter! A well as some of the best units available to them. As well as some engineers and hunters.
Arbiters are a sangheli version of a spartain. Except he isn't genetically enhanced, just physically strong, unlike spartains, Arbiters can destroy entire army's on their own, one prime example from "Halo: Evolutions" one Arbiter demolished an entire army of 5,000 men. And 200 tanks! All by himself on one battlefield, he killed them all without having to leave the battlefield for refreshments, or breaks.
So once the arbiter is dropped on the Death Star... It's pretty much doomed!
But wait! What if Darth Vader attacked the arbiter? The sangheli worrier wields too energy swords. These energy swords are made of hard light, which is impenetrable, indistructable. So Vader has no chance of chopping it in half. And if Vader attempted to force choke the Arbiter, it wouldn't work, they're too strong, they would resist the force and kill Vader.
2) bring 8 cruisers, and glass the Death Star, destroy it with plasma, glass it until it melts, make it unusable.
The Forerunners
The forerunners are the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, at a tier 1 tech, whilst humans are at tier 4 and the covenant are at tier 5. They would rather use intelligence to defeat their opponent with using the minimal amount of resources as possible.
1) fire the composer on the Death Star, and kill all of the human life on it. From my knowlage, the imperial alliance are mostly human. The composer is a device that harvests all human souls and digitalises them, making them ancient artificial warriors! And turning them against their allies.
All they have to do is kill all human life on there, and send the premethian soldiers to kill the remaining targets. This would kill Darth Vader, as he is Human!
2) Fire a halo ring, it wouldn't damage the Death Star in any way, but it would kill every living thing on there, as well as anything surrounding it, so it would kill all the pilots in the defending ships.
Precursors (Flood)
They ware greater than the Forerunners, until they damaged them selves in war. Originally tier 0 but changed and became all 10 tiers! They turned them selves to dust, hoping to resurrect them selves at a later date. It didnt work! They became a zombie like substance feasting on any living tissue.
1) infect the near by colonies, and make all forces turn against them selves, causing the death star to be attacked from all directions!
2)drop one flood spore onto the death star, and infect everyone from the inside. Killing every thing!
So, if you think Star Wars would stand a chance against Halo, your on some serious drugs.
Star Wars wouldn't even stand a chance.
They would become extinct very quickly!
Danicx11
I think you replied to the wrong person as I too was implying that I think Halo would win. lol
NOVA bombs r weak compared to what str wars has. A single turbolaser battery has more power than an SMAC mounted on ODPs(200 gigatons per shot, and the fire rate is pretty high too)
Im sorry, I just 20 minutes of my time, commenting to the wrong person... I apologise.
The number of Halcyon-class cruisers is too damn high!
Your pic is great for that...
The number of ISDs is WAY TOO MANY TO COUNT
Whole Star Wars universe vs one flood spore
I love Bacon flood win
one Flood spor
I love Bacon the star wars galaxy is so heavily populated the flood pandemic would sweep across it probably in a matter of weeks at most. they would be unbelievably fucked.
Stop using FLOOD! There is more powerful INFECTIONS IN the SW!
@@nazi1446 name a disease in star wars that literally eats space and time.
The normal Covenant vessel is larger than a Republic CAPITAL ship...
... the Halo Universe would Pwn star wars universe. EVEN with their weaker Technology.
MAC and Energy Projector.
Lunatic Gamers Sorry but both of those weapons deliver a weaker blow, at a slower fire rate than any single turbolaser battery on a Star Wars capital ship. And considering the beating the shields and armor of even a Venator can take I would say in a 1v1 Star Wars would loose. Now look at the massive fleets present in Star Wars vs the size of fleets in Halo. Also Hyperdrives are infinitely faster than Slipspace(even the covenant versions) so both strategically and tactically speaking the UNSC and Covenant are both at a Massive disadvantage.
EDIT: Also size is not everything. All the extra size means is an easier target.
EDIT2: On the size difference, the most common Covie ship is the CSS class, which is smaller than an ISD, the CAS's were rare and I would compare them to a Praeator II which is only 500M shorter. The CSO class(laziest design I can think of btw) is 29km vs the Executor's 19km.
On weapon power I looked uip the math and I was incorrect. A MAC round has a power of 44gigatons whiel a turbolaser has a 22gigaton power(this is a conservative estimate I am using to be extremely fair, as some sourcse from the movies suggest up to 59gigatonstons that it can deliver every 1-2 seconds.
Light turbolaser cannons are able to deliver about 3gigatons at a faster rate.
On a fun side-note the Empire had an operation identical to glassing called Base Delta Zero.
While I am a huge Halo fan it would be delusional to even imply that the fleets of HALO could beat the fleets of Star Wars.
EDIT3: If there are any errors in my numbers please let me know and give to a source to the correct numbers so I can fix them.
So Turbolasers shoot at the speed of light? Kk.
infinity has nothing on the executor or the eclipse
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then the halo rings are activated and everyone dies.. then the species from the halo universe are reseeded and thus halo wins muwahahaha
but the empire/republic exists in a different galaxy, even the halo rings don't have that range.
cr90 captain precursors (although never know to have the capacity to) could wipe out the empire with the flick of their fingers
Hamid Ahbedin I'd just release the flood
and the droids would be immune to the halo rings as they are not organic, so star wars wins
halo has races that could easily wipe out droids
if this was a game I would buy it!
it is a game! and its free! but i couldn't get it 2 work :(
So would I do like Star Wars more but definitely
Eh, halo generally uses at least something close to tactics, while SW armies and fleets seems to just throw shit into battle in big masses to beat the other blob of ships or troops into submission.
Its a lot more evident in ground engagements, where SW armies fight walking across open fields in shiny armor with stupidly designed ground vehicles. Also, the clone numbers given in episode 2 wouldnt be enough to fight in one of the larger battles of WW2.
Ways to defeat the Galactic Empire...
1) send in several fire teams of Spartans.
2) send in 3 arbiters.
3) drop 700 O.D.S.Ts
4) use a composer.
5) say hello to the U.N.S.C infinity!
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I have, and they dont use anything close to decent tactics. Also, those numbers seem like they were pulled out of your ass, like just about any attempt at consistant numbers in the SW universe.
I like Star Wars a lot, but from a Sci-fi military standpoint they fail even harder than WH40K.
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Why i get the idea they dont use tactics? Lets see, how about all the movies and games?
Clone wars era was by far the worst ships fight in a big hairball trading close range volleys, and infantry walk across open ground spraying fire from the hip. Old republic era is similar but with more idiotic hand to hand fighting.
Galactic Civil war was better, hoth in particular had something approaching brains (Imperials use armor and mechanized infantry to attack across open ground, rebels use CAS and dug in infantry to counter) but still fails from extremely poorly designed land vehicles, innacurate and close ranged weapons and lack of ranged fire support.
As for numbers, the numbers of clones ready or nearly ready thats mentioned in Episode 2 would not be enough to fight in some the the major battles of WW1 or WW2.
i think u have gotten the wrong idea about the clone wars.
worst ships? i think not. Their turbolasers still have 100x more power than the standard MAC, and a much quicker firing rate. Infantry walking across open ground? Clearly you have not watched the clone wars tv series. And the numbers of clones would not be enough to fight in WWI or WW2? My goodness ur SW knowledge is horrible. IIRC, lama su stated in AOTC that they arleady had 2 MILLION clones ready for battle, with ANOTHER MILLION on the way. That's enough to take on BOTH sides of the wars with little to no casualties. And considering that clones are bred for war, armed with highly advanced weaponry, strong armor, and their accuracy is unmatched.
Darth Venar
You are an idiot. WW2 had far greater numbers, 3 million is not enough to account for just the CASUALTIES of some of the campaigns, the clone army is tiny.
And i have watched the series, in the original hand drawn they run straigt at the enemy and attack by clubbing like a bunch of retards, in the newer computer animated one they just spray and pray and run around like chickens with thier heads cut off. Range and accuracy is piss poor too, some mideast dirt farmer with a rusty AK can shoot better.
To put how fail the clones are, Modern infantry usually fights at 300-500 meters away. Modern tanks kill at over 2-3 KM artillery 40-70+ KM
The flood could easily defeat the Empire =.=
Droids
I was talkong about the flood from the halo series
IStoleYourVideos 123 I was talking about the hexes from Star Wars: The Old Republic Fatal Alliance
Go read a book
Kaleb Burris The flood can easily defeat hexes within 10 secons
Just came back to is video 5 years later. I miss those days.
BAM, flood comes in wipes them all out. (Forerunner era flood)
+The Remakings Yuzan Vong.
+The Remakings the precursors are the FLOOD
Darth Vader there a form of the precursors, they could still wipe them out. Or more wipe the galactic nations themselves out. (Not so sure about galactic combat, but they could still hold there own if they had enough ships to run into the other ships and then go and infect the ships they hijack. Then taking control.)
+The Remakings If I may clarify... The Forerunner era Flood commanded Neural Physics, which means they controlled Precursor Star Roads and Citadels, both of which were indestructible spacecraft with virtually instantaneous travel. With those they can literally crush everything Star Wars has, from individual ships, to stars, while Star Wars has no plausible chance to even strike back.
Lennard Church OHH YEAA, I posted this comment like a couple months ago. I thought I was talking about the unsc era flood. (In the comment I put forerunner era flood) So yea your right there tactics would be much diffrent then what I said. Although if it was the unsc era flood they would use those kind of tactics more.
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Grenaders Lesh Then the Flood shows up with Star Roads and eat them all. Nom, nom, nom.
Oooh, We have ways for things like that. It's called promethium and hellfire rounds. HIGHLY volatilely explosively flammable. All the flood will Cook so fast it'd be char broiled instantly.
Grenaders Lesh The Flood have attacked enemies by raining spores on them, tearing through every filter, and barrier they've ever encountered to get into a new host's lungs, to then convert the host into Flood biomass. Every man from the Imperium's fleet who dies in this manner will turn those same weapons on anyone not infected. How do you predict the Imperium would respond to this tactic?
There are also the Star Roads, that haven't been shown to be susceptible to anything except the Halos, so how would your fleet respond to them altering gravity to implode ships, planets, and stars? Do you know of any 40k tech that fires to the same effect as the Halos?
Exterminatus.
Grenaders Lesh They'll run out of planets eventually, and what will they do when the Flood's on their own ships?
The Didact has constraint fields. They act like the force in a way, except they hurt the person being held a lot more, and are more than capable of stopping an entire fleet from moving.
I think that might be my favorite metaphor of all time.
I think it'd be interesting to see a Flood vs. Republic war.
Republic will be screwed especially if the flood defeat a jedi and can use the force
If you all are thinking just because Galactic empire has quadrillions of troops they could easily defeat the UNSC and the Covenant i wonder what would happen if the Flood were released on those quadrillions of troops whatever is left will be destroyed by the UNSC and the Covenant and the Forerunners same goes for the Rebels and oh yah the Covenant could also use there Glassing abilites to wipe out entire planets so HALO WINS!!!
Dont forget that the empire has 2 death stars
+Manoah De Lang
The Guardians can shut down Star Wars' Death Stars, along with their entire defending fleets, leaving Forerunner warships to obliterate everything Star Wars has, under the command of Cortana, of course.
+Lennard Church but there are other AI too.
Abhineet Soren If a Guardian shuts off all technology in a stellar system, that would take out Star Wars' AI as well.
+Damian Torres The covenant can't glass through planetary shields
Entirely true.
Just depends on how far the survivors are willing to go.
There were a couple times where small fleets just completely left the galaxy. Something like that could occur, but I don't know.
Loving the fan-boy war here. XD
....Where are the Covenant CSO-class supercarriers? Those things are huge and are very powerful. ...No really.
Long Night of Solace
Length 28.960 kilometers (95,013 ft 1 in)
Width11.447 kilometers (37,555 ft 9 in)
Armament:
At least seven energy projectors
Plasma turrets
Pulse laser turrets
Plasma Torpedoes
Super Star Destroyer (Largest I could find)
19,000 meters (62,335ft 11&1⁄2in)
Armament:
An array of turbolaser and laser cannons, as well as tractor beam projectors.
Individual designs also utilized either assault concussion missile launchers, Gravity well projectors or superlaser cannons
Sadly we wouldn't be able to tell who would win-- (Angry fanboys start yelling) Calm down! The only way we'd know for sure who would win is if official members from 343 and Disney were to talk and decide.
I still am more of a Halo fan though. Just is more for me then Star Wars. *shrug*
I think the Republic vs. the Covenant is probably the best pairing they could have had. Admittedly, the battle would commence at much longer range. I suspect the Covenant would fire a volley of energy projectors (at least dropping the shields on the Republic capital ships), after which the Republic would let loose with all of their Turbo Lasers and whatever else they have. I suspect Covenant Shields would be starting to drop (if we assume the Republic's weapons were in range) as they fired their second volley of Energy Projectors, finishing off the Republic Capital ships.
Ground battles would be interesting, because the Clone troopers were pretty good, and had weapons that closely resembled many the Covenant had in their arsenal.
Lennard Church
WAIT!!! Republic capital ships have shields? That would have been nice to see in the movies... :(
Raving Rando If I recall, the movies only show them mid-battle, so their shields have already collapsed, and the constant pummeling is preventing them from re-establishing them.
Lennard Church Not all of the battles in the films started in the middle, though. Many times, we see the Star Destroyers enter the battle, and we never see their deflector shields online. I know they have shields, but for some reason the effects team never decided to actually show them in action. o_O
Your wrong. The Executor was at least 18 kilometers long.
It had Both Turbolasers against small ships and large, tractor beams, ion Cannons, superlaser beams, and a bunch of other stuff. The only weakness of an imperial star destroyer would be the bridge shields... Also why not bring in the Malevolence? One shot with the Ion Cannon and 6 ships are down.
I would have loved to see the Long night of solace make toast from that Emire flagship.
But that's completely a fantasy since the Long Night of Solace can't even take on one ISD-1 or ISD-2 let alone a Super Star Destroyer. Heck, going from the fact that orbital macs, the most powerful weapons the UNSC has, are only single digit gigatons and are stated to be able to punch through the shield of even a Covenant Super Carrier, they can't even take on an Acclamator, an outdated design from the clone wars intended to serve a major role as troop transport in addition to a warship, and those thing's weapons fire TRIPLE DIGIT teratons... per shot... to say nothing of the reactor power at peak. Let's face it, against the Republic or Galactic Empire or CIS, the UNSC and Covenant could team up and share everything they can, and they'd STILL get roflestomped by either of the three. The only thing in Halo that can defeat the Republic or Empire or CIS (and also so badly that it makes the gap the Republic, Empire, or CIS stomp the UNSC and Covvies) are the Forerunners, Ancient Humanity, Ancient San'Shyum, Ancient Flood, and Precursors.
You are taking this too far...
VunderGuy,
Look at the sum total of canonical weapon depictions. Turbolasers aren't even single-ton weapons. Claiming they're "Triple Digit teratons... per shot" is nothing but fan-wankery, if not originally from you, then from whoever made the calculations you're referencing.
LNS probably beats an Executor, although not without taking some decent damage. It loses to the Eclipse class though. Since both of those are the most powerful super-capitals of their respective factions, this is a more sensible comparison.
Too much fan wank. Legends state to be gigatons. And everyone knows that’s bad writing anyway
The plasma lance of a covenant ship would slice through any ship in this like a hot knife through butter.
was this the goods guys of star wars and halo vs. the bad guys of star war and halo
Looks like it ya.
it does wow never noticed
both
And forerunner dreadnought's shield can withstand a mac blast thats like getting shot by lasers for days. And dreadnought's can travel to any corner of the universe in seconds or an instant. And dreadnought's can be produced by sentinals at a alarming rate inside shield worlds.
the hyperdrive allow ships to travel from the core worlds to the outer rim in 1 day
and ships in star wars have more powerful weapons than ships in halo so they can probably take down that shield if not there far more powerful things that can take it down for sure. where did you find dreadnought's can be produced by sentinals at a alarming rate inside shield worlds?
Instant? I'm sorry, but no. Fastest known speed in the Halo universe is 9200 light-years per 24 hours. That was recorded when the joint UNSC-Separatists fleet made the jump to the Ark.
The Galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter and the Ark was around 200,000 light years from it.
thawitchking1 Did you mean that the ships in Star Wars have too many extra zeroes in ther yield calculations? The ships in Star Wars can not spew out petatons of damage with each shot.
***** So your getting at that even though the Forerunners had difficulty stopping the Flood, they could still defeat anything and everything with incredible ease. Hm.
Dech Nourtide You're seriously underestimating the Flood. The Flood turned Forerunner ships and AIs against them. Entire armies were consumed by the Flood, turned against the Forerunners. It's basically fighting against one's self.
It's either you choose to fight a losing war against an Army or Navy that slowly outnumbers your own, or make a great sacrifice.
With that said, the Forerunners could still wipe anything out with ease as they even took out the Ancient Human Empire that have been rumored to have *Precursor technologies* in their pockets. They actually wiped out a race far more superior than their own even before the Flood.
I don't see how your argument is valid...
Personally, I think that the nature of the Flood would be such a shock to any Star Wars faction, that by the time they realize what must be done, it'll be too late. Not even a Sun Crusher would work, because the Forerunners used the same tactic, destroying Stars and leaving Solar Systems to rot, but the Flood survived, and followed them everywhere. Literally all it would take is a single Flood spore in a core world to defeat the Republic.
Aliens inspired many a sci-fi universe. It's an amazing example of character development and a well thought out universe.
Peoples seem to think the UNSC ship are weak a mac cannon shot would destroy most of star war ship and most of them have nuclear missiles and that was the old ship the new ones have forerunner shield on them.
angers karin True, BUT, those mac's fire once then take a lifetime to charge again. The archer missiles would not break the shieled's of the venetor cruisers let alone SD's or SSD's Pitch the Infinity against the death star and it is a no brainer.
Whoami691 lol no the one on small frigate take a couples minutes to charge but the one on the infinity the same as big station so it shot wonce ever 10 sec
angers karin It has 4 Mac cannons. 4.
It can shoot four times instantly. But MAC cannons need TIME to charge. That is their weakness. Venetors still have the edge I'm afraid. :)
Like I say, put the infinity against the death star and see what happens. :)
Whoami691 they are super heavy mac and they can charge in a couples second look it up the other ship take time
angers karin The MAC cannons on the INFINITY deliver 44 gigatons of energy per shot. The heavy turbolasers on a Venator deliver at least 22gigatons per shot(there are estimates that are much higher)
Oh and here’s my opinion on the topic the range of a turbo laser is incredibly low compared to a super Mac cannon Even if you bring the Death Star into play the star wars universe is screwed the Death Star has the tonnage but lacks range and versatility and since we are throwing the entirety of both universes at each other that means the flood would be involved, not even the droid armies would last long because the flood accumulates knowledge. All it would take for the flood to single handily win would be to assimilate someone in each leadership of each Star Wars faction. While the Star Wars universe has the Force users the halo universe has both the precursors and the forerunners, WHO BOTH HAVE FORCE LIKE ABILITIES, even a mantis from the halo universe has more versatility than an at st and a scarab tank can easily wreck an AT AT because again Star Wars vehicles LACK VERSATILITY
The there’s also the fact the the halo universe has the better elite soldiers: millions of elites, and brutes, and at this point in the halo universe there is AT THE VERY LEAST 10 THOUSAND SPARTANS, the best the Star Wars universe has to offer is the elite clone trooper units which by the way would be wrecked hands down by the sheer numbers and skill of spartans elites and brutes
Now to space conflicts specifically 1 word guardians... each guardian has enough firepower to police solar systems and if necessary COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE THEM and there’a at least 30 guardians btw
Oh there’s also the unsc infinity the only thing in the halo universe able to “ESCAPE” a guardian but it actually could defeat a guardian or 2 because
1. It’s firepower
2. The fact that it has an entire fleet of shielded. Mac and nuke enabled, and have slip space worthy frigates, that’s 11 ships 1 infinity and 10 frigates
Also infinity had a sister ship that was discontinued bring the sister ship into the playing field, and they could stand an effective chance( by themselves ) against the entire republic, now bring in the rest of both universes, and the Star Wars universe is absolutely screwed
Please tell me this game isn't a lie....
its a lie
It isn't a lie.
***** No, it is not.
I
being the creator of the game... it is not a lie
I believe the true winner is 40k
I think the resistance would team up with the UNSC, but the Empire is not with the covenant until later
It's really the UNSC+Republic+Empire Vs CIS+Covenant...
+Captain Lavernius Tucker There is no empire
The Super Star Destroyer is part of the Empire.
+Leviathan Squads GMC/UEA/LSAthena/LSHelios (Captain Lavernius Tucker) that ship is also known as the "Pride of the Core"
Proton Anatomy
Well, there were many Super-Star Destroyers made, used, and named. Why is this one called that?
It would be easier if you searched it up.
Star wars wins because they have the Excecutor, the Hammer, the Eisenfaust, the Eclipse and over 20 SSD's and over 3.000 Imperial-Class-Star-Destroyer.....and the Deathstar, and over 30.000 TIE Bomber/Fighter/Scouter...and the Mandator I/II :D
Cameron Johnson yes, i know but...the deathstar will onehit ALL and the SD's will make ramm attacks and...i can say many more things, so :)
ahm...than star wars use stealth kamikaze-nuke-bombbers ! :D
Sas Ses Puhlease. Star Wars largest ships are 10 miles-Eclipse class. Covenants largest ships are 18 miles-CSO class. Forerunner dreadnoughts are about 9 miles long, but they are made of highly durable metal. Halo's San Shyuum military used to literally crash through fleets of Sangheili ships with them. Not to mention the 100,000+ KM Forerunner fortress class ships. The mantles approach ACCORDING to the Halo 4 visual guide, is 89 miles long, 86 miles wide, and 231 miles tall.
Rakata Channel What do you mean "THE" Covenant Armada? The Covenant have several fleets throughout the Galaxy. BTW, Earth isn't the only UNSC Colony, they have several planets in different star systems. Off the top of my head, I know Earth, Mars, Arcadia, Luna, Draco III (Got mostly glassed, but it's still habitable on some areas. Sedra (Not really UNSC, but it has been affiliated with them, and several others.) The Forerunner Fortress class ships are over 100 Kilometers long. Forerunner Keyships are about 14 kilometers long, BUT whatever type of metal Forerunner ships are made of, must be incredible powerful, because 3 Heavy UNSC frigates each shot Mac Rounds at one of its legs (It's kind of triangle shaped) and the ship didn't even have a scratch. Not to mention that UNSC ships are now equipped with reverse-engineered forerunner shields and slipspace drives. The UNSC Infinity literally slammed through a 2 kilometer RCS armored crusier (Bigger than standard Star Destroyers) and that ship was literally blown to smithereens. The Infinity didn't even have a scratch on it because of its shielding.
What if Forerunners use composers on the Star Wars ships? It's literally a beam that disintegrates living matter into data that is converted into Soldiers made out of hard light and some sort of forerunner alloy. Not to mention that Ancient humans could orbitally bombard planets as well. They destroyed entire star systems full of planets so they could stop the flood from spreading. Speaking of the flood, they can actually command dead corpses. They can gain access to their hosts memories, intelligence, etc. They could literally take control of a star destroyer and ram it into a planet. From there, the flood spread like bacteria on steroids.
2:41 is that dark-hulled star destroyer an Ancient Sith ship? I almost mistook it from a Resurgence Class from TFA.
i know who won the covet
star wars would be destroyed by the covenant. the covenant nearly brought humanity to extinction
Star wars Particle or Ion cannon would destroy a halo ring in one shot there goes the window of opportunity for the covenant down the toilet...
covenant only lost cause of PIS lets face it.
***** He means Plot Induced Stupidity.
However, there is no PIS in Halo 2. It's a valid scenario.
lol Halo 2 was legit with its civil war, im referring to references that i dare not bring up, but in general Covenant just like MOST stories with aliens vs humans should of won.. But eh humans always have to win some how.
To a point I guess.
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Im sorry but i would actually have to agree with the star wars side. (this is stricly removing the use of flood, halo rings in halo or the death troopers, malovenence, death star, cloning from star wars) They're technology is so far superior its ridiculous. Before i delve into the problems of physics, i should probably state why star wars would easily win. Star wars outnumbers halo ridiculously, i believe the population of coruscant alone is some number of trillions. Heck, courascant could beat the halo army alone being such a massively industrialized place. Also star forge creates so many ships so quickly, it could easily take it out. bombers have torpedoes that are really overpowered. jedi and sith. and yes in the old republic there were hundreds of thousands And starkiller can bring down an entire frigate sooo. halo has a much smaller population and although humans have small populations on many planets, the covenant are concentrated in large masses meaning very easy extermination. like seriously the biggest fleet in halo was 17 super carriers. pretty pathetic compared to just the fighting fleets at the beginning of star wars episode 3.
now for the physics, the dreaded physics
basically it safe to say that lasers travel at the speed of light, however the only possible reason for it now working in star wars is due to actual manipulation the speed of light itself. Therefore, if a ship reliant on lasers, was to enter halo, and its laws of physics, its lasers would travel at the speed of light in a vacuum. ***** also your theory of a bullet travelling really fast is fucking stupid, in space that unit of measurement could not be crossed without a riduclous amount of force, so by these new defined rules, starwars munitions would impact immediately compared to the slow plasma warheads and archer missles used by halo. also faster than light travel is different in each case. Halo uses a fictional dimension to travel space, however star wars engages hyper space. both of these dont exist in our universe so good luck with that (as far as we know). Also the hull of each ships wouldnt be properly designed for each other. star wars hull would be designed to withstand concentrated photons whereas halo is required to prevent particle projections also dont mention spartans because commandos. also bacta makes excellent healing compared to conventional health packs (ha)
I have to disagree with you. If you were to bar the Flood from being argued for the Halo-verse in the context of this setup, the only fair sacrifice for Star Wars to balance would be No Force sensitives. And I hope you just had that reflex reaction of "no that would be stupid" because that's what you just did to Halo fans.
You ignore the Flood (an entire faction in the Halo universe that could spell the doom of Star Wars on its own), The Halos, which would also solo the Star Wars galaxy. And all you give up from the Star Wars side are the Death Star (Halo has destroyed plenty of planets so they don't need the Death Star to be held back), Cloning (It can take months or years to produce an army of clones, and Halo can turn your own armies into Prometheans for themselves in an instant, so they don't need you to sacrifice cloning), Star Wars needs ships like the Malovenence if they are going to compete with Supercarriers and the Forerunner Keyship, and I'd need you to clarify "death troopers". Are you referring to the book, the "Death Star Troopers", "Dark Troopers"?
"Star wars outnumbers halo ridiculously, i believe the population of coruscant alone is some number of trillions. Heck, courascant could beat the halo army alone being such a massively industrialized place."
The composers making a pass over Courascant would result in "some number of trillions" of Promethean Knights waging war against Star Wars' other planets and fleets. Star Wars' numbers isn't actually an advantage. Thinking that planet could take on everything in Halo shows drastically flawed reasoning.
"Also star forge creates so many ships so quickly, it could easily take it out."
Forerunner forges function to exactly the same effect. Self-repairing ships can be made in an afternoon, and even an entire Halo can be crafted from scratch in only 6 months, complete with terraformed surface, and stable weather patterns. Also, last I checked, the ships made by the Star Forge required pilots, whereas thousands of Forerunner Ships can be controlled by a single Ancilla.
"jedi and sith."
Assassins kill Jedi and Sith all the time, and don't need to be force sensitive to do so. How many Jedi did Boba Fett kill. I believe it was at least 4. Also, Jedi have trouble deflecting solid projectiles such as the pellets from a Shotgun (which the UNSC has in spades).
"halo has a much smaller population and although humans have small populations on many planets, the covenant are concentrated in large masses meaning very easy extermination. like seriously the biggest fleet in halo was 17 super carriers. pretty pathetic compared to just the fighting fleets at the beginning of star wars episode 3."
Do I even need to explain what's wrong with this? Modern UNSC is small, but the Forerunners, Ancient Human Empire, and the Covenant are massive. Even if I ignore the Forerunners, your appraisal of the Covenant is wrong. They have scout ships, they have small exploration fleets, they have assault fleets numbering in the hundreds, but their concentration of thousands of ships swarming High Charity, is no different than Star Wars leaving a few extra ships to defend something they find important. High Charity is a location of religious significance to the Covenant, but they have countless worlds under their control, so they didn't put all of their eggs in one basket.
"basically it safe to say that lasers travel at the speed of light, however the only possible reason for it now working in star wars is due to actual manipulation the speed of light itself. Therefore, if a ship reliant on lasers, was to enter halo, and its laws of physics, its lasers would travel at the speed of light in a vacuum."
Blasters are not "lasers". Blasters use lasers to create a pulse of plasma which they then fire. That is why they move slower than light, not because they're manipulating the speed of it. So no, the blasters shots would not move any faster vs Halo.
" +blackjacklover70 also your theory of a bullet travelling really fast is fucking stupid, in space that unit of measurement could not be crossed without a riduclous amount of force, so by these new defined rules, starwars munitions would impact immediately compared to the slow plasma warheads and archer missles used by halo."
As I stated, your assumption that Star Wars weapon projectiles moving any faster than they currently do is 100% wrong, and calling someone stupid for challenging you is lame. Star Wars uses lasers to generate Plasma, and rarely (if ever) shoot the Lasers themselves as the weapons.
"also faster than light travel is different in each case. Halo uses a fictional dimension to travel space, however star wars engages hyper space. both of these dont exist in our universe so good luck with that (as far as we know)."
Actually once you get into higher level mathematics, the numbers only work out if you calculate for the existence of more dimensions than the 4 space-time dimensions. So I don't see what you're trying to get at with that statement.
"Also the hull of each ships wouldnt be properly designed for each other. star wars hull would be designed to withstand concentrated photons whereas halo is required to prevent particle projections"
To put the ship designs into context... Halo ships are like a knight in plate armor who fights with a War-hammer. They need something rigid to protect them from the massive amount of force that hits all at once.
Star Wars ships are knights in chain-mail, designed to protect them from the death by a thousand cuts that their Turbo-lasers inflict. If anything, Star Wars ships are drastically underpowered compared to Halo's Covenant, simply because of their armament.
"also dont mention spartans because commandos."
You'd have to pull something really good for Commandos to look decent against the combined forces of the Halo universe.
Grunts can drown you in plasma, and they regularly are fielded with Fuel Rod Cannons, so they can handle heavy armor pretty easily.
Elites and Spartans are phenomenal soldiers, and are well armed and armored.
Better yet are the Forerunner Warrior Servants. With tens of thousands of years of combat experience before they pick up a gun for the first time, standing over 12 feet tall, and wearing armor that can withstand punishment that would disintegrate anything less defended. The Didact alone was able to take on Master Chief and the whole of Blue Team simultaneously. So how are those Commandos of yours going to hold up?
"also bacta makes excellent healing compared to conventional health packs"
Bacta tanks are used off of the battlefied. Biofoam can temporarily replace an obliterated lung to allow the soldier to keep fighting. And Forerunner Armor actually knits them back together if they get wounded. Is there some other use for "bacta" that I don't know about?
"(ha)"
I believe this is where I drop the mic. I'd refrain, but you called someone's theory "f***ing stupid" when you were the one who was wrong. You assert that Halo's tech can't measure up, but only after you've ignored all of the Halo tech you know about. Weak tea dude.
The reason using the flood or halos doesn't count is because the result of those being used will destroy both sides, so no winner. Everyone dies. Flood, though they're halo, still will not ally with the rest of halo. They will continue to feed upon all sentient beings, whether they be halo or Star Wars, until there is nothing left. Halo will obviously kill everyone too, and the halo forces haven't even been outside of the Orion arm of the galaxy!
snakeboy1912
The Halo games take place primarily in the Orion arm of the galaxy, but the Forerunner empire spanned most of the galaxy, and the Precursors' presided over at least two entire galaxies. So Halo's scale is larger than just the Orion Arm.
I understand your argument concerning ignoring the Halos and Flood as trump-cards, but they don't necessarily spell the doom of everything.
The Halos can be deployed tactically, as to purge enemy locations without taking out their own fleets. Alternatively, Prometheans and Monitors can be used to man fleets defending the Halos or fighting battles within the Halos' area of effect.
The Flood still hold a twisted view of the Mantle. In spite of directly stating that they're going to absorb everything so that their creations can never harm them again, they have repeatedly favored humans, and have not fought in such a way as to effectively consume everything. In stead, they've saved Humanity from the Forerunners, by convincing the Forerunners that Humanity had found a cure, they then save humanity again by tearing through the forces of the Covenant, and destroying its capital. They also spare humanity by only attacking one city when they arrive at the Great Portal, allowing the Sangheili to purge the Flood from the Planet, whereas they could have completely infected everything like they did with the world the Librarian and Didact lived on. The Flood were calculated to be able to completely consume the entire galaxy in only 3 hundred years, yet they fought for thousands, tearing away at the Forerunners out of vengeance. It is plausible that they would leave a human-controlled Halo galaxy alone, as they completely consume the outside threat. Then again they might live up to their word, and it would be everyone vs. the Flood in stead of Halo vs. Star Wars.
In terms of the Orion arm, i was talking about the two main factions, unsc and covenant
Even though the flood may side with halo now, thy can easily be taken out by clone blasters from hundreds of yards away. Stormtrooper may be not very accurate(according to movies) but clones are DEAD ON accurate. AND the flood can't feed on CIS droids. And force users can just lightsaber throw or use force lightning
Imperial comms are also quite outdated. While hulls are a factor, I was referring more to that the energy field would interfere with signals, such as how lead interferes with phone signals.
If it's just Human and covenant vs Starwars, Starwars would stomp on Halo. But if it includes the Forerunners and the Precursors, Halo would stomp on Starwars.
eclipseslayer98 CSO-class super carrier...
I am a big time halo fan, I've read a large portion of the books, played/ completed all the games.
I'm not being biased, as I consider my self a minor fan of starwars, watched all the films, played a few of the games.
So read what I say carefully, as I'm gonna burn you... As halo would easily win. I'm going to state a few of the possible ways halo could win in each faction.
Humans (U.N.S.C)
The humans vehicles vary in speed and power, but let's be honest the humans don't need them to destroy a deathstar!
1)All they need a collection of long swords (ships) to fly around and distract the guns/cannons.
They could drop 80 O.D.S.Ts into battle, landing on the star destroyer, taking out as many soldiers as they need to, up until they get to the bridge, then they destroy the Death Star from the inside.
But wait! What if Darth Vader is on there as well? O.D.S.Ts are extremely skilled in combat, they're not as good as spartains... But when they're in high numbers. They are bloody amazing! An estimated of 40 - 50 O.D.S.Ts would probably die in the clearing of the star destroyer. That leaves 30+ soldiers left, o don't think Darth Vader could deflect 30 bullets at once. That's right, the U.N.S.C use bullets, not lazers, bullets are made of reinforced metal. so they can not be deflected, just halved. So the bullets would eventually hit Vader, and injure him. Especially if they use a shot gun.
2) they could drop in a fire team of spartains. A fire team contains 4-5 spartains. These Spartans are genetically enhanced, they could toss a tank using their bare hands if they wanted, they are incredibly strong, their reflexes are instant! And their intelligence levels are inhuman! If Vader tried to choke one of them, it simply wouldn't work, as the didact attempted it, and he failed!
Spartans shields are immensely strong.
Vader would just simply die! One punch would send him flying down a corridor, they could just shoot him whilst he's vulnerable.
And yes, they could dodge his light sabre, as their acrobatic skills are something else, (Google it)
3) the U.N.S.C INFINITY could just fly around and blast it, a huge hole would emerge in the star destroyer, and the troopers would be pulled out in the vacume, and become exposed in the void.
Then pepper it with lazers and stuff. It would physically melt, and that's difficult, it's in space! And it would still melt!
The Covenant
Unlike the humans, this collection of alien races prefer quantity over quality, they would rather spam the target with lasers and glass it. So it's unusable again.
1) destroy the hangar, and make a breach. Then spam drop ships, send in an arbiter! A well as some of the best units available to them. As well as some engineers and hunters.
Arbiters are a sangheli version of a spartain. Except he isn't genetically enhanced, just physically strong, unlike spartains, Arbiters can destroy entire army's on their own, one prime example from "Halo: Evolutions" one Arbiter demolished an entire army of 5,000 men. And 200 tanks! All by himself on one battlefield, he killed them all without having to leave the battlefield for refreshments, or breaks.
So once the arbiter is dropped on the Death Star... It's pretty much doomed!
But wait! What if Darth Vader attacked the arbiter? The sangheli worrier wields too energy swords. These energy swords are made of hard light, which is impenetrable, indistructable. So Vader has no chance of chopping it in half. And if Vader attempted to force choke the Arbiter, it wouldn't work, they're too strong, they would resist the force and kill Vader.
2) bring 8 cruisers, and glass the Death Star, destroy it with plasma, glass it until it melts, make it unusable.
The Forerunners
The forerunners are the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, at a tier 1 tech, whilst humans are at tier 4 and the covenant are at tier 5. They would rather use intelligence to defeat their opponent with using the minimal amount of resources as possible.
1) fire the composer on the Death Star, and kill all of the human life on it. From my knowlage, the imperial alliance are mostly human. The composer is a device that harvests all human souls and digitalises them, making them ancient artificial warriors! And turning them against their allies.
All they have to do is kill all human life on there, and send the premethian soldiers to kill the remaining targets. This would kill Darth Vader, as he is Human!
2) Fire a halo ring, it wouldn't damage the Death Star in any way, but it would kill every living thing on there, as well as anything surrounding it, so it would kill all the pilots in the defending ships.
Precursors (Flood)
They ware greater than the Forerunners, until they damaged them selves in war. Originally tier 0 but changed and became all 10 tiers! They turned them selves to dust, hoping to resurrect them selves at a later date. It didnt work! They became a zombie like substance feasting on any living tissue.
1) infect the near by colonies, and make all forces turn against them selves, causing the death star to be attacked from all directions!
2)drop one flood spore onto the death star, and infect everyone from the inside. Killing every thing!
So, if you think Star Wars would stand a chance against Halo, your on some serious drugs.
Star Wars wouldn't even stand a chance.
They would become extinct very quickly!
Danicx11 Forget all that stuff
CSO class super carrier stomps
Rakata Channel The portal to the Ark in located at earth, so it would be a quick trip to get there... Fire the halo's and boom. Also, Spartans would easily kill Dark Troopers and Shadow Guards... and Sith clones would get destroyed by the Arbiter
Damn that Ultra star destroyer is huge af! I thought the eclipse was
big(larger than executor but executor is actually longer, 19,000 m to
17,500 m)
Star Wars ships would obliterate the UNSC. The Covenant would put up a better fight.
The Louster tell that to SMAC
Even with a SMAC they would get destroyed. The Covenant was able to handle them.
The UNSC and the republic are working together. They're fighting the covenant and the CIS.
The unsc has been using forerunner shields and the mac guns can push through most shields not to mention that the unsc does have a super weapon the nova bomb so you can't exactly count them out not to mention Spartans and odst are the first ones to be sent into battle to open up lz for the Marines and other focus.
the whole star wars universe would DESTROY the whol halo universe, sorry chumps
IAmGunzNoob I guess you never heard of the biggest Secret in the Halo Universe. A secret that HaloNation hates when it got released. The secret is....the Flood
this matchup is TOTALLY unfair, let's face facts in space the UNSC would have NO chance against star wars ships, it would be like w/ the covenant, the only thing the UNSC had working for them were the spartans!
Yet they managed to fight off the Covenent, and won. Well to be fair they did get help with the rebel elites
Someone forgot about mac cannons, The UNSC Infinity could easily take out a republic battle cruiser with I the span of 10 seconds, and the covenants Battle cruisers shoot plasma, plasma would go straight through star wars energy shields, plus the races in star wars use hard light and lasers, it has been proven that unsc and covenant armor is pretty affective against this weaponry, and ballistic weapons would chew straight through a droid or trooper.. and this wouldn't only be a space war, imagine the fights in the ground. plus, If it were Star Wars universe vs Halo universe, where all races in said universe are allied to fight the other universe, you need to account for the flood, forerunners, precursors, and the Prometheans
SW ships' doesn't have energy shields, it's deflector, it's weaker than shields nah ?
Romuald MARC
wrong they have ray & particle shields, UNSC ships don't have anything other the basic armour plating.
+Jean-Luc Martel actually they replicated the covenants shielding
The Star Wars galaxy is quite simply fucked if the flood, forerunners, or precursor's megastructures are involved.
Halo would get smacked 10x over.
To say halo is gonna get curbstomped is a gross understatement of the UNSC's power. If it is post War the humans have few ships left. Or more realistically their fleet is a shadow of it's former self. But the few they have are outfitted with shiney forerunner tech. Even if you remove the upgrades the UNSC still has the most destructive ship to ship weapon known. The MAC cannon. The MAC fires a 6000 lb round at a fraction of the speed of light. this kinetic force will shatter hard armor on ships. What I mean is the armor that is compacted to be hard and durable. The star wars ships are all like this. The shields which are used to deflect and disrupt energy blasts and light projectiles will not protect against the kinetic force that is thrown at it by a MAC. Sure the shields might hold but with some ships the hull will crumple against the "push" on the shields. And the turbo blasters that you so naively state will curbstomp the UNSC ships? They are weak with range. To be clear. at closer ranges they are crazy powerful. but it's like throwing a rock, at some point the energy it took to throw it disperses. That energy is heat. As some point the blast disperse because the heat is gone. Where as newton law states an object in motion stays in motion until it is acted upon by a different force equal or greater MAC rounds will fly clean and true until something stops them.
That leads to another point. Can you dodge them? UNSC ships can, but Starwars ships are like the titanic. Can't turn to save your life. Your ships may be fast but only is one direction. that's because the tech doesn't allow it. Those retro lifts or whatever the thing 'Big' Ships use to stay in orbit. Fighters yes those are far faster and agile for fighters in the Star Wars Galaxy but again the tech is so far advanced that they forget the basics. UNSC fighters are capable of both air and space combat. just like the Fighters in Star Wars. But here is the key difference. Their fighters are the primary sword and shield of their ships while UNSC fighters are used as a last resort. mainly as a distraction to give the home ship time to leave or finish the job. The UNSC fighters are big, armored, and fast, not lets not forget the weapons. The star wars fighters all have different roles. The UNSC fighter is all in one. am I saying the star wars fighters are weak? no they are very good at what they do. but so are the UNSC.
Anyone who says Halo vehicles are Overpowered are stupid. But what they lack they make up for in combat speed. The AT-AT is a slow tall weapons platform that only has guns facing one direction. While the UNSC tank is a "fast" low to the ground weapons platform that has gyrostabilizers to keep the main gun pointed at the same target no matter where it is. It also has higher rate of fire and more accurate. Now the AT-TE will be a much better match up. Weapons on all sides. a center gun emplacement, low to the ground, can scale walls, and work in the void of space. Yes the AT-TE used by clones would be a better tank to go up against the scorpion.
The personal weapon that the arm the forces of the UNSC are not weak. they are the most powerful weapons that have ever been used by humans. yes there is a variety of guns and calibers but the overall punch of the gun has only increased. In the books the unshielded grunts and jackals were easily torn to shreds by the amount of firepower that is thrown at them. Projectile guns are more accurate. That is a fact. And as for range and firepower. The same rule applies as with the turbo blasters. over larger distances they lose their strength. if you want a long distance shot you need a slower blaster with longer barrel. the same rule with Projectiles, more accurate the shot the slower the rate of fire.
Force users need extensive training to even try to use the force with someone or something. And even then it s only really effective when the mind is weak, or the object is simple and immobile. You don't survive a thirty year war with a weak mind. And as for the jedi or sith. they sense emotions things that the most elite of UNSC defence force is known to switch off in times of battle. and as for the actual combat. hehe The amount of fire they will draw to themselves will tear them apart. UNSC forces know that swords mean high ranking and therefore high valued target.
And people always forget the most important thing that come with war. It's people, planets, and resources. As well as getting there and back. The Star Wars galaxy is full of different species, ships, and conflicts. And fleets that are in use will always be called to something. The Imperial fleet. That is so massive that everyone just assumes is doing nothing is actually guarding planets, trade routes, and are on numerous patrols that will make logistics nowadays seem like planning a prom. The Star Wars galaxy may have extensive resources to pull out of their collective arses, but even then who's paying for it. And to a greater note is the difference in FTL (faster than light). The UNSC uses Slipspace which is them going to another plain and popping out at their destination. Star wars ships need line of sight to engage the hyper drive. And more importantly they need a map of the Galaxy. So if they are invading, they will get blocked so hard because of a directive known a the Cole protocol where it says that any data that tells the location of earth and any colony be deleted and the ship self destruct in the result of boarding. In star wars. Nope, they have no backup for that. so all it takes is a map and with translations and next you have the city of Coruscant surrounded by a fleet of unknowns firing on it who can slip undetected from the burning city before the fleets could respond.
No it wouldn't. It would be a good match for any faction.
Outcast Redeemer I dont have the time to read this now, but it seems really intersting so I shall visit it later.
Copy-Paste?
HalfLife(Ger) yeah... didn't want to rewrite it. so i just changed a few things from yours.
Outcast Redeemer Lol.
Rtas 'Vadam is an amazing Shipmaster and fleet commander. It's no surprise he was able to defeat a larger fleet led by anyone. Also, that scenario doesn't prove that Brutes are necessarily bad at Space Combat, just that Sangheili are better. Also, I'd much rather have a Wookie or a Brute defending me on the ground than a droid. Your scenario on Kashyyk just shows that Wookies are good at ground combat. It says nothing about their space capabilities.
the republic, the empire, and UNSC vs the trade federation and the covenant... such a good idea
Max calculations for a MAC gun is 1.17 Gigatons. I'm fairly certain the shields on a SSD can take at least one hit from that. Also, the most commonly accepted calc is 64 kilotons, which probably would barely scratch the paint on an Imperial class ship prepared for an attack.
personally i think this was pretty good. but if you plan on doing another, see if you can add a little bit better animation for everything and more explosions! cause everyone loves when things just blow up and crash :) lol good job man!
VERY AWESOME IT FELT LIKE THIS BATTLE ACTUALLY HAPPENED BETWEEN THE TWO UNIVERSES
ONI also has the location of the Lesser and (supposed) Greater Ark, or a Master Ark of some sort, from which they can activate and fire all of the Halo rings
Actually working on a multiverse where this would play out. Worked on it for 14 years no. Been reworking it to be as grounded as it can be.
Best mash up Ive ever seen. KABBLOOOOOOOOSH!
When you get the death star in its game over for halo, well, ground forces at least. Stuff in halo is so big as well though.
This mod looks freakin amazing tho. Will totaly download sound effects might need work however.
Dude if all battles were like this that would be epic.
**EXECUTOR ARRIVES**
Clone: AN IMPERIAL EXECUTOR CLASS STAR DREADNOUGHT!?!? I THOUGHT THOSE WERE AGAINST THE RULES!!!
but the frigate in this video is a Paris heavy, the same as the unsc savanna from halo reach so it should be a little smaller than a ccs battle cruiser and close to the size of a corvette
Covenant shielding is weak against over heated plasma something which star wars ships rarely use as weapons.. The covenant plasma torpedo is so hot and such a large blast radius that its capable of disabling or destroy an entire UNSC ship.. It melts away titanium A in seconds and titanium A is one of UNSC's most strongest type of titanium. UNSC ships hall is 4.6 meters thick some are 10 meters thick.. The covenant is also capable of mass producing ships and weapons and soldiers. The unggoy is cappable of giving birth to dozens at a time and grows very fast..
alot of ships in star wars have Ion cannons which are made to disable shields and computer systems. and the empires army outnumber both the UNSC and Covenant combined
thawitchking1
The Empire cannot hope to outnumber at least a billion active Marines and Army Troopers plus a billion on reserve. If it cannot put down a petty rebellion that would be crushed in a single strike by an overwhelming force then its numbers are way less than 100 million active soldiers.
-Stealer-L1F3 Oh... and the 2 billion comes from my random calculations based on the Human-Covenant War where AT LEAST a billion of active combat personnel were necessary to fight the Covenant on hundreds of worlds and to man the thousands of ships.
-Stealer-L1F3 the empire has around 30 trillion man in it's army the rebellion was all over the place not in one place till the battle of Endor which they would have been crash but the imperial fleet was disorganized after the death of palpatine and the destruction of the empire most powerful weapon again they fled
thawitchking1 Bullshit. The Empire cannot muster so many people. Their economy wasn't that good and they DIDN'T have control over the entire Galaxy. To have a standing army of 30 trillion men, the upkeep must be sky-high... literally. One pile of 500 dollar notes reaching 100 kilometers high would be the price of upholding half or one fourth an army of that size and that's not even counting in the Imperial-class Star Destroyers which were extremely priceful. That makes the monthly upkeep at least ten times bigger.
Idk, I looked for it too, and I found the one part when Vader was talking with three Imperial Officers via hologram, and then an asteroid was shown destroying one of the ISDs mid-conversation.
It would be good if the camera wasn't was as shaky and the ships flew a lot more fluently but all in all it was great!
I thought the Eclipse was only slightly over 17 KM?
But yeah, it had a scaled-down version of the Death Star's superlaser installed along its axis.
Clones with Spartan level armor and Spartans fighting with jedi ...... There is a movie idea if I ever heard one .
The covenant would slice all those ships in half with the glassing beam
GamersFaction- Joe Glassing does not require as much energy ass you would think.
Not necessarily. SW capital ships have dual layered shields, and their ray shields protect against energy based attacks, rendering glassing beams useless
Not to mention covenant doesn't use glassing as weapons
Weak af compared to turbolasers
And Base Delta Zero is much faster and more efficient than covenant glassing
One things for sure: There would be a hell lot more explosions
I jumped around in the scene a bit and I never saw it. Perhaps I just missed it. The only thing with the asteroid field that I saw was the chase into the slug, then a couple officers saying they lost it, Vader's mad. The Bounty Hunters, and when Vader orders the ship out of the field so he can get a clear hologram signal.
It really depends who they're fighting. If it's the UNSC, they'll look at the war as Jawas trying to throw rocks at ISDs in space. If it's the Covenant, they'll look at it as a faction strong enough, but nearly big enough to actually pose a threat, if it's the Flood, Forerunners, or Precursors, Halo would be writing the history, not Star Wars.
Star Wars Acclamator-class particle shields have a resistance equal to roughly 10,000 SuperMAC shots.
A Super Star Destroyer is many times larger, and it's shielding strength is many times greater.
The pinnacle? The pinnacle of Forerunner technology would be constraint fields that can stop a fleet still. Or the ability to literally grow a battle-ready warship from a seed. Or the ability to create planets, or destroy stars. Or maybe the ability to get just about anywhere in the galaxy within days. Or their ability to travel to other dimensions. Or the Halo rings.
Does it create more rings, or is it just firing control?
If it creates more rings, it could absolutely take out the SW universe, but it'd face stiff opposition from any fleet still active, and the rings would be destroyed pretty quickly, so it'd take a long time.
Tbh the UNSC ships would likely be the first ones out if the picture bc they dont have shielding...
The funny part about this is that the covenant has the same weapons at star wars just lazers and they last long along with shielding
If you're talking about the UNSC Infinity, that ship would get Roflstomped by a Covenant Supercarrier. Notice how the only Covenant Ships the Infinity came in contact with were light and heavy Gunboats, and the Mantle's Approach completely ignored the Infinity. If the Mantle had turned her guns on the Infinity, the Pride and Core of the UNSC fleet would be gone in seconds.
That space battle...*sniff* So beautiful. Full of destruction.
But you have to remember that the death star 2.0 had deflector shields and twice as many cannons and it could fire more shots from the main cannon in a shorter amount of time.
If that's the case then that would mean Covenant Communications are more advanced than Imperial comms. It would also place the hull armor of an ISD at around the strength of a standard UNSC Cruiser. That means that if a Halcyon Cruiser (which is quite outdated) caught an ISD in an asteroid field trying to communicate with another ship,the Halcyon would likely win. Especially if it's been refitted with the Pillar of Autumn's upgrades.
You'll always find an outcome favorable to the Republic? How about this scenario: The Venator finds itself in uncharted space with a damaged Hyperdrave unit incapable of engaging, and is surrounded by twelve of the newer model Forerunner Fortress class ships, with both Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias controlling the Battlegroup. What positive outcome for the Republic could possibly come from that?
Now ladies and gentleman, add EVERYTHING from Halo 5 and this would be very entertaining indeed.
The only minor details I can find about a Supercarrier are very scarce.
"Plasma turrets" "Pulse laser turrets" "Plasma torpedoes" and the Projectors are apparently the only armaments.
Would certainly put up a fight, and it's bigger than any SSD, though I have no real guess as to how well they would fair in a fight. Not enough details.
It was advanced for it's own time, but not the current SW universe time.
The books have progressed to about 44 ABY, 'After the Battle of Yavin', with the death star. The Clone Wars started around 22 BBY, the earliest possible time the Negotiator could've been constructed.
So while the Negotiator was probably powerful for it's time, it's also about 63-68 years old.
True but it is backed up by a couple cruisers and fighters and if it gets above the executor it could glass it to pieces
A few did make it to the Shield worlds, the important ones that weren't busy working their asses off to make sure the flood didn't turn the Halo Array into dust and assimilate the Universe into itself.
The death star was defeated by Photon Torpedoes in one of it's exhaust ports. Not exactly a slugging match, if you ask me - What would a HAVOK Thermonuclear Weapon, or a NOVA Bomb achieve?
I never said that it was going slowly. It never showed that and turbolasers were being fired. Also, if they were letting shields down to fire at asteroids, why would they launch fighters and pull out of the field? Also why do people always assume they will automatically start fighting each other? Obviously the Covenant will start something but if every human faction teamed up they would own face.
I don't know too much about the Plasma turrets, though I know Pulse laser turrets are used for relatively close range ship-to-ship combat and can easily dispatch smaller ships and fighter squadrons, etc. Plasma Torpedoes contain enough energy to completely vapourise entire continents and seas, so that puts it in the High Gigaton, Low Teraton range.
were those things that look like massive longswords starwars ships?
So what does halo use in space like to fight like the little ships from star wars?
This is pretty awesome.
No, but you did question how it could be going thousands of miles in a field, so I explained how its possible.
Shields can be lowered so the extreme power they use can be diverted to the turbolasers.
They launched fighters to actually chase the Falcon.
They pulled out, if I remember the scene correctly, because Vader had a holocomm message from Sidious.
your slightly both wrong, from the battle it's republic + unsc vs covenant + sepertist (don't know how to spell that) so technically either way they both win?
The covenant had ships bigger than executors though. Why didn't they show up?
My question is why the venators when the republic/empire has a SSD they should have imperial star destroyers
The most powerful force overall, in both franchises combined are the Precursors. They're eternal beings, existing entirely outside of both space and time, which means they can not be harmed in any way, because they're beyond the ability of any temporal being to even reach. Precursors interact with space-time and the beings within it by creating avatars, such as the Flood. These carry out the will of the Precursors, sometimes with the aid of Neural Physics constructs, which are literally the manifest willpower of the Precursors. Neural Physics constructs are immune to every form of damage except for one specific instance of a weapon which actually damages the universe itself. Similarly the Flood have not yet been seen acting to their full potential. They took millenia to conquer the Milky Way galaxy, when the Forerunners had calculated that even without the Star Roads, or other Neural Physics constructs, the Flood could have consumed everything in the galaxy within a few hundred years.
The Forerunners have equivalent or superior technologies to pretty much everything I've seen in Star Wars, in addition to a plethora of technologies for which Star Wars has no equivalent.
Star Wars can't stop the Halos from firing. They have no way to find out about them in time, and their fleets would not be able to get through the Forerunners' defences in time.
EMP-type weapons are extremely effective in Star Wars (via ion cannons, or other similar weapons), which means they have no plausible defense against the Guardians shutting everything down. The Guardians could effectively shut down all of Star Wars' tech, leaving immobile, defenseless fleets ready for the slaughter by Forerunner forces.
Star Wars likewise has no defense against Composers. They could lose entire planetary populations, only for the fallen to re-emerge as Prometheans.
The Covenant is much closer to Star Wars' level of technology, even though the Covenant's space battles are more akin to a swift decapitation, while Star Wars' is more akin to a "death by a thousand cuts".
Under the right circumstances, even UNSC fleets would be able to stand against Star Wars fleets of similar or smaller size.
I can elaborate on any of these details further if anyone is interested, just as I'm willing to enter a well-sourced debate if someone is willing to take up the other side.
However, there have been a plethora of simply false arguments (many from a particular Chris Heyburn). Rather than the most common ones emerging slowly, I'll simply cast them down here.
The argument that the Halos can't be used against the Star Wars galaxy, because they're in the Milky Way Galaxy is completely false, because throughout the franchise, the Halos have been observed to move both of their own accord, and via Portals created by other structures.
The argument that the Halos can't be used against the Star Wars galaxy because it would kill all of Halo's forces as well is completely false because the Halos can be tuned to just about any range the Forerunners need, so they could easily be set to exterminate Star Wars' galaxy without harming Halo's.
The Flood not being usable, because they'd eat all of Halo's races too is hogwash, because even if the Flood ate everyone on both sides, the Flood is still from the Halo universe, and thus when they were the only ones left, Halo would still win. Additionally, given the Flood's relationship to the Precursors, they would not consume all of Halo's races, being as the Flood has been tasked with molding events to asure humanity's ascention to the Mantle.
The argument that the Jedi are all-powerful is rediculous, because we have several example of non-Force sensitives, killing Jedi fairly easily (Mandelorians, Droids, Clones, Assassins.
Any assumption that the size of a ship directly equates to its power relative to the other franchise is wrong, because they use very different weapons as stated above.
Literally any calculation he pulls from Stardestroyer. net should be discarded. That sight grossly exaggerates calculations, ignoring all limiting factors. For example, Chris will argue kiloton range guns on the AT-ATs, when we see the weapons firing into people and turrets, with nothing even resembling even a low-yield nuclear explosion. Even when the AT-AT shoots the shield generator, we don't see that.
I like how its covenenant and CIS vs the Republic and UNSC
That makes no sense but ok.
microsf121 it actually did...
Allen Morgan
The CIS would never ally with the Covenant and the Republic wouldn't give two shits about the UNSC.
microsf121 Idiot...
Thomas Staffer
Good rebuttal. That sure made you look intelligent.
that was an assault carrier. super carriers are about 6 times the length of the infinity
To AngryTrucker: I agree, however everyone has always speculated between the two forces of the Croissant Army and USNC? Should they be allies or enemies? I honestly think that HALO machinma productions and studios, should make a machinma about this two armies! It would be the most epic of all of HALO BATTLES! Their should a machinma about these two fighting each other! Or the Covenant causing an assassination to one of their commando clone leaders which would the USNC be framed for the assignation and that the Corrusant Republic Army Would nearly win the war until the Spartans along with ONI Held a secret meeting while the war was going on with Corrisaunt to investigate why the Covenant would start a war with the two armies that originally had met and would form an alliance. And why would the covenant armies try to disrupt the peace between the USNC and the Corrisaunt Army? Wouldn't that be amazing?
Imagine what characters would be chosen for this movie? Probably a lot from Forgotten Spartans, Rise of the Spartans, and Bone and many others as well. The series would be a big hit to the Machinama production company of RUclips, it would probably the biggest Blockbuster machinama in history! Their should be one for it. Don't you think?
THIS LOOKS AMAZING HOW DO YOU ANIMATE IT
this is fuckin awesome my dream has come true
yea plus putting shields on a capital ship costs alot. but there armor is cheaper and and not so sophisticated so they can mass produce some of there stuff i would think