Memory Overclocking & Tuning Is a MUST - 13700K XMP vs Manual OC
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- A common configuration the vast majority of PC gamers opt to use is their memory XMP profile which can be enabled with 1 click in the bios. While the performance may seem adequate for the most part, you can potentially get a lot more performance out of your system by doing a manual overclock and also tightening timings. RAM overclocking is the hardest when compared to overclocking a GPU and CPU, as there are many different variables at play here, but the end results can be very rewarding.
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RAM: Patriot Viper Venom RGB 6000 C32
Motherboard: MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi
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06:34 Benchmarks
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Amazing content brotha. You've inspired me to research and exceed my expectations by manually overclocking RAM along with CPU & GPU.
I'm continually impressed with your channel!
Good video! Due to lower cache, a 13600K(F) will gain even more by tuning ram, while a 13900K(F) gains a bit less. So for budget CPUs there are usually more to gain :) On my 2 setups: 12400F and 5600X I gained 10-15% from 3200cl14 to 3700cl14 gear1 tuned 12400F and 15-20% on 5600X at 3800cl14 CR1 tuned. Some games got massive improvements. SOTTR gained about 20% fps on Intel and 25% on AMD. Tuned is easier than most people think like you said. 2 hours of tuning/testing gets you 80% of the potential, while 8 more hours gains the last 20%. A few rounds of Testmem5 usmus1 config finds most if the errors quickly.
The first thing you need before thinking about tuning Ram is a high end motherboard and a decent Ram kit. If you don’t have these then expect issues and or minimal results for the effort applied. Ram tuning is a black art and no two situations are the same. If you’re prepared to go down the rabbit hole then be prepared to open your wallet if you havnt already then set aside a couple of weekends and you will be rewarded.
Yeah i know.
I have a "Asus P6T", that is quite ok, but it's not a top tier motherboard.
Not true. I have a 13700k, msi z690 pro p ddr4. I have 4266 mgz gear 1 cl 15.
Latency under 43ns read over
@@PapaFlocke is probably talking about ddr5 not ddr4. DDR5 requires a high end 2 dimm board to get the full potential out of it, which for the cheapest board, is the z790i edge at $400.00. You can get a set of 2 2x8 viper kits and a z690 a pro motherboard for that price
@@jameyt1 no he's not, as DDR5 has higher freq and higher latency like 40, not 15
And good powersupply with stable voltages
I'm definitely gonna learn and tune my memory. I'm pretty good with CPU & GPU tuning but, Im new to RAM tuning.
I've noticed a fan over the ram sticks ?? so what i heard that it goes very hot that it needs active cooling. also tuning DDR5 is hard and different than tunning DDR4 . could you please further explain the max volt and temp allowed
So at 4k I basically do not have to worry about it? Currently Thinking about watercooling my ddr5, too, because of all exhaust radiator watercooling.
If I don’t really gain gaming performance by doing anything besides xmp, I can also save my money.
My ram kit the neo g skill trident has XMP Tweaked, would the manual timing be better then the Tweaked profile? Also, does this make more/less of a difference in 4k resolution?
Are you willing to post a list of the settings you put for the exact timings/voltages on this kit? I have the exact same kit and tuned it differently but would be interested to see how this one was tuned to achieve 6800Mhz.
You know what the problem is?
When you have a different cpu and mobo or even gpu, voltages may be different to make it work properly
What was the voltages?
Ivr tx?
Cpu vdd2?
System agent?
Dimm voltages?
Hey man, thanks for the video! Why is your North bridge clock at 1500 mhz?
Really great video.
I am running on 13700k and M die rams, would like to try your settings. What voltages are you using on ram?
Buildzoid has a ton of A/M die on his channel
I was staggered at the results when I tuned DDR4 on my 5900X. so much dip was reduced. 4 8GB sticks of B-die at 3733mhz. I don't have the time or patience to dial it in further on sub timings and frequency--it was a bastard to get stable, and had to raise DRAM voltage a huge amount, SoC voltage.... and install a cooling fan over the memory. So definitely a hassle I don't encourage for novices or people not willing to learn. You may be stable for a few days and then a game just crashes non stop, or next thing you know, windows is repairing the install drive a month later...
Bad OC can really be a huge inconvenience.
I saw your comment on NAAF live chat! was like "dannyyyy"
My PC wont boot when i choose the XMP profile in my bios unfortunally
Thx for the video!
Could you do a tutorial how to tune DDR4 and 5?
Do you have a video of how to tune it correctly?
What was ur voltage for the 13700k?
Great and hard agreed. Especially on Ryzen at the time, I dunno how Zen 4 is about that, surprised that this video is about Intel but it's interesting to see it's the same for every CPU brands!
How much better would a 7600/7800mhz kit be with similar timings?
I want tonlearn how to oc my rig but when i go on my pc i just want to play cause i dont go on my pc that often... 😫 i dont have that time...
I was waiting for the oc tune guide
I just bought a G Skill Trident Z Royal 3600 mhz CL16 kit and I'm wondering how to take it to the next level
I think its got more to do with the fact that there aren't mNy guides explaining how to do it, and that there's a lot more things to tweak and stress test.
I feel it's more intimidating for people than being lazy necessarily. I wanted go try on my 7700x but haven't found many guides to explain things. I'm currently running a 32GB kit of Trident Z5 6000mhz CL30 kit so am not even sure if I can squeeze much more anyway
Ya I can see where you're coming. Its probably because you just have to go into the bios and tweak settings + timings that work best for you. It's different for everyone so you just have to rely on trial and error. There are some really helpful folks over on overclock.net that will give you some good pointers.
Dude I was tuning my RAM when I was like 15 years old on some Celeron with 32MB RAM. I used modem to connect to internet and it was pricy as hell even for like 2 hours. What do you need a guide for? Just lower the clocks one after the other in bios and see if it posts or the system is stable. That's how I did it without any guides.
Danny, I have a question. I have a 4090 and a 12700k and play only at 4K. We are seeing many scenarios where the 4090 is cpu limited even at 4K, do you think if I upgrade my 12700k to a 13700k is worth it, or the difference will be small?
How fast is your monitor ? Is running dlss on quality a no bueno? I ask because I have a 5800x w.4090 and a 240hz 4k but aim for 120 max everything in single player games and really have no issues getting there but dlss is needed in some titles
wait for meteor lake
@@fanaddict7853 I have a 4k 144hz monitor. Some really intensive cpu limited games gets me around 80-100fps, low gpu usage, so that's why I wonder if a 13700k would big a significant upgrade, or better wait for meteor lake. I usually use DlSS quality or balance.
@@CyberJedi1 those 2 cpus have a 10% difference. not going to matter. wait meteor lake unless you are extremely rich
Yeah, it's not worth upgrading to 13700k. Tuning your 12700k will achieve very similar results as 13700k. There is a RaptorLake Refresh supposed to be coming out in Quarter 3 of 2023 on Z790. Perhaps it will be a more worthwhile upgrade for you.
Can you oc ram on a b660 board?
Came for the information, but still don't understand what configuration means. It's nice you provided the information, but haven't been successful in finding resources that help explain what I'm tuning...
I have had zero luck with xmp profiles on my Motherboard. I've updated bios, I've set PMIC voltages to "by per PMIC" and still no dice. Running i7 13700KF, Kingston Fury Beast 32GB (16 x2) 6000MT/s DDR5 CL40 DIMM Ram on an Asus Prime z790-A Mobo
yup asus moment. Ik it's extremely misleading with their qvls but gigabyte and especially asus neuter the memory on even their cheapest Z690 boards. I always get msi when going for the cheapest boards now for that very reason because while their usb is lacking a bit, vrm and memory support is very good even on the bottom model. Not sure what else u can do other than update bios if u haven't alr unfortunately
Great video! If more people tuned their RAM, they would realize that DDR4 still has a ton to offer for 13th gen. Every 13th gen and every DDR4 mobo can achieve 4000c15 or better, while still being just as fast as tuned 7200+ ddr5 in the vast majority of games.
Well said, and if more people tuned their ram they'd realize so many of their stuttering problems in these new game would go away. Look at how many people are playing the new Hogwarts legacy game and complaining about stutters. Now how many of those people have their ram tuned?
Is that true even with 64GB? I have two 32GB DDR4 3600 C16. I'm skeptical it can do 4000C15, but I'd like to learn enough to try. Not sure where to start.
@@DannyzReviewsrdware unboxed got 130fps in hogsmeade with a 4090 @1080p med. I get 190-220fps with my 13900k+7800mhz Ram 🤣 seems like hogwarts loves fast ram. Using my XMP profile (7200mhz) I drop about 30-40fps, bonkers. latency is really bad on the XMP profile tho, it’s in the upper 60s on Aida. I got it down to a flat 50 tuned
My mobo won’t boot over 3600 :(
Dual rank b die kit
@john hughes Did you increase DRAM voltage, VDDQ voltage, and adjust System Agent/SA voltage?
About years, my parent doesn't understand how does computer overclockers work. It was my first enabled XMP and I want to overclock RAM but too dangerous I set like 1.75 voltage because I have DDR3 and Samsung B-Die. Perfect and still working mine was 2400mhz or higher well I had no choice I got a new computer.
It was crazy I just take look what in hardware I wonder I could overclock and killed my old computer.
Yeah tuning RAM is a black art. For example on Gskill DDR4-3200-cl14 (B-die) in CP2077 3200-cl12 was super laggy when driving, but 3600-cl14 was without any noticeable lag and higher 1% lows so much much smoother gameplay - even though the latency should be almost the same or maybe lower for 3200-cl12. In CPU-Z benchmark however the best performed just normal 3200-cl14-XMP profile. Also in Doom Eternal this clock was the best (+5fps). However in AIDA64 the 3600-cl14 clock was the fastest and with much higher bandwidth so I kept that for the time being. Fyi voltage had to upped from 1,35V to 1,5V for the clocks to be stable (and active cooling added) - temps I hit max like 49°C as of yet.
You can do way better than 3600c14, currently running 4200c16 gear 1 cr1
Would you compare how your tuned DDR5 compares to tuned BDie DDR4?
A mediocre DDR5 XMP kit will outperform maxed out DDR4 b die in most scenarios
Not gonna lie, RAM tuning is a pain in the ass and that's why I don't even bother with it these days.
great video as usual Danny. i got a 13900k and 4090 with tridentz 7600 with a z790 mobo and 360mm aio. i can only get 7200 stable do you think i cant get the full 7600 because of the 13900k memory controller? or is there anything else holding me back?
7600mhz should be easy with any 12 layer board. VDDQ TX is the strange voltage, sometimes lower provides more stability than higher. VDD2 is usually good at 1.4v, but then again these voltages have sweet spots
If I put my ram to 3733 from 3600, 1.365 volts rather than 1.350 volts for 3600, I lose the wattage overclock on my gpu, my xmp works fine on 3600 at 1.35, but if I go 3733 at 1.365 my gpu will not power overclock to 133 watts, had same issue on older pc with lesser graphics card, I also found letting my aio pump to decide its radiator fan speed when running apps I get more fps.
i gave up on cpu oc long ago,only max 10% increase but at great risk of failure... as they already oc from factory and pretty much close to max performence.this day i belive in undervoldting as it improves almost the same as oc from my experience without the risks which is awesome for me along the power savings its a no brainer! this days i think only ram oc and gpu worth it
tRRD-S tRRD-L are really important and tRDRD-dg is the most important
tFAW also but that just 4X trrd s or l
where did u get aida64 for free ?
Good video. Can't consider yourself to be a hardware enthusiast if you don't tinker around with the bios. Simply being a PC gamer is fine, but it is distinct from an enthusiast. One group cares about maximizing performance of their hardware, the other just wants to play games.
So what you're saying is that the silly amd reviewers guide that claimed the 7950x3d is 6 percent faster on average than the 13900k is absolute bs because they use 6000 xmp memory for the 13900k?
After wasting weeks on memory OC, with people who do this as a hobby....I cant agree to this video.
Even after doing all the stability benchmarks you can still be unstable and only realize this after a 7 hour long failed render.
learn to mem oc properly
@@arel77 I do not need to know how to OC ram properly when I can have people who have been doing it for decades do it for me.
I also dont see why Id want to invest weeks of "getting good at out of spec tuning" just to potentially gain minute performance increases when I could have played games, worked or edited footage on my rig instead.
And no matter how often you run memtest and karhu, no matter how many 24/7 sessions you use to test ram, it can still happen.
Watch Buildzoid. The guy has had mem instability after weeks of no errors.
And after all that...on a system like mine where CPU bottlenecking in games wont happen...it will do shit all.
Nice I’m on ddr4 on a 13600k
Dual rank b die
Got 4000 16-16-16-28 at 1.45v stable and subs tightened
Aida 64 is 65k reads and 50ns latency
Was a huge jump from 3600 xmp
ras to cas at 16 is insane
@@tadejloncar is it haha ?
Xmp crashes most of my games at random times. Days Gone and Horizon Zero Dawn crash a few minutes into gameplay.
I know 1080p benchmarks are gonna show the best results for OCing ram. But what a waste to not show 1440p or 4k results; ya know the actual resolutions people are gonna play at that would consider OCing ram.
I feel like I'm more of an expert at fixing my f*ck ups trying to tune ddr5 then I am at actually tuning it, trial an error I guess, but still was able to get almost 30% at 1080p in cyberpunk for example, and that's with lowering the frequency 200mhz and just tightening as good as I could
well you tRAS can be 56 and you will have no performance penalty tRAS ≥ tRCD+tRTP
I am running 13900k ddr5 8000
Enough talk. Memory OC guide video, when?
Bro you fkn drained my life
Higher the resolution and or weaker GPUs will see little to no gains.
If you're looking at increasing avg fps I agree, but frame time consistency is just as important
@@DannyzReviewseven more important*
17:35 Benchmarked 22 games at 1080p. Why? No one with your setup is going to run games at 1080p. It'd be a waste of money. At a minimum, you should have tested at 1440p. But, more inline with your system would have been testing at 4k. If you wanted to run at 1080p because that's what most people run at, then you should have done all the memory overclocking on hardware that matches what those same people have.
He shows 1080p cuz thats the only res where he actually can show any difference.
RAM OC with the res he actually plays at makes 0 difference. Which is why I also dont find ram oc to be any good.
Now we have 480hz monitors running a 4090 for 1080p is a thing.
Games will still benefit from less stuttering at 1440p stil.
1% lows Arent the complete picture.
How much you learnt while tuning the memory, you'll learn 100x more of that when you quit Windows.
Also assigning tasks to the right CPU cores was the responsibility of the OS, not the application. But I guess Windows sucks at that too apart from everything else.
Solution is to just game at 4K
Too much effort to oc the rams 😂