It's good that some of them are papists while some of them are not, it really makes a uniform Church filled with people who disagree on Papal teaching and are incapable of interpreting dogma.
I once visited a gospel service in a small two-by-two church in Moose Jaw, Canada after being invited by two little old ladies I had struck up a conversation with in a Tim Hortons. I was curious about the meeting because they were reluctant to tell me what group they were with and wanted to figure it out. I was also curious because their piety reminded me of the open plymouth brethren background I grew up in (and even more of the closed plymouth brethren stance of my grandfather). After the service I wanted to learn what denomination those assembled were a part of, so as part of a larger conversation, I asked the minister if they had any doctrinal statements, literature, etc which I could read to better understand their group's teaching. I was instructed to read Acts chapter 2 for more information. Having come prepared for such an indirect answer, I next asked if they had anything written down about the history of the particular group of believers who meet together in Moose Jaw. Again I was referred to Acts chapter 2. Finally, it was only when I asked "what name do people of the world use when they refer to your group?" Did I hear the name two-by-twos. It always stuck with me how reluctant they were to offer a name. I wondered if they were worried that by learning a name, I would go to the internet and learn something I didn't like about them, or learn something that was said that misrepresented them. But now I know they just really really don't like assigning themselves a name.
God doesn't have a name because he's the only God. (Moses, "What is [your] name?" God, "I AM THAT I AM." Jehovah/Yahweh isn't a proper name, but means the existing one.) Jesus has a name because he was also a man among many men. Refusing to name their group is another way of proclaiming they uniquely are the true church. But, not only is that far from true, it's also not very practical.
I ran into a similar group in New Mexico. The guy wasn’t very polite and didn’t like that I asked those questions of his associate pastor. The pastors in this group were in a circuit covering several states.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_by_Twos . Just be grateful there's no Two by Fours. I can't tell if Tim Horton is a reference to the Canadian coffee shop chain or not.
I am so glad you talked about the name Mormon for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! I am an Evangelical who knows a lot about Mormonism and my channel is making an impact in that community. I would love to chat with you when you get the chance and I can give you the real reasons why the LDS church quit using the name Mormon. I also have a history with Hammond First Baptist & Jack Hyles as well as Lowell Indiana First Baptist.
Knowing nothing about their given reasons, I assume it's just political manipulation. At best, they're trying to freshen up their image. At worst, they're trying to highlight anti-Mormonism by letting the use of the word "Mormon" expose people who don't approve of Mormonism.
You bring up the two by twos, almost as if you are planning to do a video on them. I would certainly be interested in learning about such a rare breed.
In Samoa: - Samoan Congregational Church (originally London Missionary Society aka LMS) is called Lotu Ta’iti (Tahitian Church) because their first missionaries brought Christianity from Tahiti. - Catholic Church is called Lotu Pope (Pope’s Church) which I guess is our way of saying Papists. Originally a derogatory name but not anymore. - Methodist Church is called Lotu Tonga (Tongan Church) because their first missionaries brought Methodism from Tonga. These terms are more used in casual conversations. In formal speeches however, they are referred to by their proper names.
Since I'm Byzantine Catholic, I often say "Roman Catholic Church," as well, because most people look at me odd if I say "The Roman Rite of the Catholic Church." Most people don't know that there are other Catholics who aren't part of the Roman Rite, outside of countries where most Catholics aren't Roman.
I'd like to suggest that you use the term Latin Rite Catholic, because the official liturgical language is Latin. But you are correct, and as a Latin Catholic I grew up not even knowing that there were other Rites. I'm always curious to know how the different liturgies compare.
@@alhilford2345 Except that's not entirely accurate either since most Norvus Ordo Churches don't use Latin, and the Byzantine/Eastern Catholics don't call themselves Greek Rite Catholics despite their primary language being Greek
There is a church building on the civil war battlefield of Antietam in Maryland called the "Dunker Church." It was actually a German Baptist Bretheren church which probably got its nickname because of its practice of baptism by total immersion. Has any other congregation been called by this nickname?
Catholic & Orthodox are not denominations, but the Holy Catholic Church. The schism between the two still does not make them "denominations" since these two alone are the single lineage of the one Church founded by Christ, from which all Christians got their Scriptures and basic Theology about Christ being God and Man.
The fact that there are so many different denominations and names should cause any reasonable person to question what the heck is going on. Take just the baptist for example, they are like Baskin Robins Ice Cream with 31+ different flavors to choose from.
Catholics are the same way. Charismatic Catholic, Roman Catholic, Catholic Apostolic, etc. Stop hating on the Baptists because you refuse to try to understand their doctrine.
@@claryp1509 Nope, Catholics are just Catholics. It is other's who put different labels on them. Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, but clearly she is NOT following Church teaching. Not hating baptist by pointing out the large variety of different types of baptist with some better than others. My brother apparently is in one group of baptist that believes once saved/always saved and he never has to repent for anything ever again because doing so will be a denial he was saved in the first place.
@@duckmeat4674 From the very beginning, men have been trying to "reinterpret" God's meaning, but it definitely got worse after Martin Luther. Peter warned us Paul's writings are sometimes hard to understand in 2 Peter 3 16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
"Roman" Catholic is a term in English, because it was invented by Anglicans who wanted to be "catholic" too, so described themselves as "Anglo Catholics". As a result, "Roman" is now used in some other languages, but not all: it never caught on in French or Italian. Although it is not the name of the Church officially, it is quite useful to distinguish adherents of the (majority) Latin Rite from adherents of other Churches in communion with Rome, for example in Ukraine, who use non-Latin Rites
I've also seen the term Eastern Rite Catholics used in referring to non-Roman Catholics. Eastern Rite churches include Maronite (Lebanese), Ukrainian Catholic, Uniate (Ruthenians of Eastern Europe), etc.
@@darlahaines6928 Actually, if you are a member of an Eastern Rite church in communion with the Holy See, you are also a Roman Catholic. Your ecclesiam juris sui are autonomous and are supervised by Cardinal-Patriarchs.
In the UK "Roman Catholic" is generally used as a pejorative, although it is true some Catholics refer to themselves that way, through cultural hegemony or ignorance. "Crossing the Tiber" is another misnomer, as Protestant Europe's boundaries ended well short of Rome. If we must use synecdoche, it is Protestants who crossed the Tiber, not Catholics.
I'm a Canadian Presbyterian, and would love to learn more about PCC, epseically the thing about it is the "in" Canada, not "of" Canada; also that legal battle sounds like a hoot!
Often, they are formed from the unions of other splinter groups. (For example, I'm a United Methodist; the United comes from the fact that we absorbed another denomination in 1966.)
@@fnjesusfreak One that already had "United" in the name. In 1968, as you say, the Methodist Church merged with the Evangelical United Brethren Church. That in turn had been the 1946 merger of the Evangelical Church (or Evangelical Association, or Albright Brethren) and the Church of the United Brethren in Christ (New Constitution). That latter church had resulted from an 1889 split in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ over representation at its General Conference (the Church of the United Brethren in Christ (Old Constitution) still exists today). As far as I can tell the Church of the United Brethren in Christ was not a merger.
Consider this scenario: You create a bakery that specializes in bread, so you call it Bakery of Bread. Do you consider the name chosen to be more or less protected than say, "Bob's Bakery (of Bread)". "Church of God" is VERY generic and descriptive, more of a category than a name.
I am tired of explaining that just because people call us “Swedenborgians”, that does not mean we “worship” Swedenborg. And, no, we are not “the Swedish church”. (We don’t even have Swedish meatballs.”
This is a really interesting video. I had no idea that so many denominations thought that a Churches name required certain phrases. That's really interesting.
What about us Anabapto Black Bumper Catholics? Early in my 'walk', a priest looked me in the eye and said '"It is about God, once we have got you thinking about God, we can worry about denomination later."
It just gives you a hint of their primary ministry. All of them would be biblical. If you don't gather you'll scatter (we gather to encourage each other in good works...). Harvest church would maybe have a more evangelistic approach encouraging street outreach, praying for the sick and similar. Life could be a more family oriented church. You could always go and read their belief statement ask about structure and talk with a lead congregational pastor.
@@betrion7 -- None of those names gives me the slightest clue about where they are doctrinally, other than to say that they downplay the importance of doctrine.
@@gregb6469 other paragraph of my reply is dealing with your worry. Then again, you seem to already have your opinion on doctrine and denominations set. May the Lord be blessed 🙏
@@betrion7 -- If I am driving by a church building I am not going to stop and waste my time trying to look them up online to read their unimportant-to-them-anyway doctrinal statement (which will likely be so basic and loose that anyone this side of the Watchtower could sign it). These places are usually little more than religiously-veneered social clubs.
@@gregb6469 Man, I'm so happy you're at least looking at historical Christianity! There's a life in Christ and outside of the tower. I can give you pointers if you will or talk theology in ANE context. Jesus can set you free - He is God 🙏
Fair take on us Catholics. I will submit that as an eastern Catholic it is really inappropriate to call us "Roman Catholic" as we have neither the spirituality or the head of our particular church in Rome. We are under the pontif for sure, but more directly under our patriarch. The Catholic Church of Rome has very few Catholics, the western church whose patriarch is the Pope of Rome, has the most people, but the majority of the churches are eastern in nature with their own unique spirituality and a liturgy that is different than the mass of the west while also being in full communion.
Eh, as an Eastern Catholic, I too think it's confusing to say we aren't part of the RCC. It gives people the impression that we are a separate denomination from the RCC, and that implies all sorts of fallacies, e.g., we aren't in communion with each other, the Bishop of Rome isn't our Papa, etc.
@Ninja Penguin I think the hard thing about the Eastern Churches are there are those out of communion and those in communion. Simply put the eastern churches are completely separate (suis juris) and autonomous churches that are in union with Rome. So in some senses we are a separate denomination but not as a protestant would define one as such. Within an established Eparchy the eastern bishop has full jurisdiction. The local bishop and even the pope would have indirect influence on the local eastern bishop and vice versa. Calling the Ukranian Church "Roman" seems far more confusing than stating that the Catholic Church comprises many parts that are separate but in full communion with one another, the largest being the Latin church who is headed by the pope with 23 other churches in full communion. I think this would be a wonderful concept for protestants, as there is full communion despite spiritual and theological differences.
@@enshala6401 all of them? The Pope has only doctrinal authority over the other churches, on all other matters the highest authority is the Patriarch of that given Church
I pickup and read what Ingatius, Clement, Athanasius wrote and I find my church. The universal church. The Catholic Church. Protestants may want to claim that title for themselves but if the first person you can point to that agrees with you on all your key fundamental issues (baptism, salvation, etc) lived in the 1800s, how can your church be universal? Funny how you justified each groups own reasoning for their name except the Catholics
Most Protestants would argue that schism is an "accidental property" of the Church; that they are actually united with each other and with us (I am Orthodox), despite all appearances. Just a thought...If we can claim creedal marks of the church by putting them in our names, then we force ourselves to choose between universality and nonheresy. And we have ceded apostolic succession and holiness respectively to Oneness Pentecostals and...no one I've heard of.
I had a friend who asked me to arrange some music for a church he was going to start that he planned to call "The Christianship Fellowship Bible Church."
A rose by any other name...."The Other Catholics..." Julie Byrne, 2016 a study of the Independent Catholic Movement(s) - I swear there is a denomination for each person on teh globe.
There is also an argument for "Roman Catholic" refering to the Western Rite, with the "Catholic Church" including the Eastern Rite (and other believing Christians who are not down with the Pope theologically , but NOT administratively).
@@johnminehan1148”Roman Catholic” has been the official name of the Church since at least 1054 A.D. (The Great Schism), and refers to those who accept the Pope as the head of the Church, including the Dogma of Papal Infallibility. These include the Eastern Catholics (Uniate) who accept these same dogmas. The “Old Catholics” are a denomination that doesn’t accept Papal Infallibility. The Traditionalist Catholics are those who attend the Tridentine Latin Mass. The Sedevacantists are Trad. Catholics who believe there hasn’t been a validly elected Pope since Pius XII died in 1958. Then there are some groups (Conclavists) who elect there own pope. (It’s even got even more confusing since Benedict XVI was, in the eyes of many, forced out against his will, and that Francis is truly an anti-Pope, considering all the abominal behavior coming out of the present-day Vatican.)
You can make an argument that some Eastern Rite Churches come out of the Oriental Orthodox tradition so may not be "Eastern" Catholics, to be hyper-technical.
@@CatholicTraditional : Correction. Your response will cause confusion among non-Catholics here. There is one true Church, the Catholic Church! The Church is comprised of several "Rites" one of which is the Latin Rite. This Rite is often mistakenly referred to as "Roman Catholic", even by Catholics who have been misinformed.
There's the Oasis of Love church in Huntingdon, PA. It's been years since I've passed it, but I seem to remember it had a neon sign. It looked really sketchy.
Hi. I have a set of fun facts about those denomination names. In my country, The Philippines (I'm Catholic), there are two of the known churches established in the Philippines: namely Iglesia Filipina Independiente (a Church separated from the Catholic Church) and Iglesia ni Cristo (a well-known Restorationist church in the Philippines). Everyone famously called the IFI as Aglipayan Church or Aglipay from the namesake of Gregorio Aglipay, who is their first Obispo Maximo (or Supreme Bishop), and it is acceptable by them because the actual name is too long and too Spanish for us to speak. Meanwhile, the Iglesia ni Cristo hates being called as "Iglesia ni Manalo," a derogatory term for INC adherents, and it is based on the surname of its founder, Felix Y. Manalo. The "Iglesia ni Manalo" term was commonly used by the people who are critics and haters of the INC.
Thanks for sharing. I am making a video on MCGI/Ang Dating Daan and I noted that Eli Soriano liked to use the Iglesia ni Manalo title. A title like that is especially considered to be insulting to groups who claim to be "not a denomination" but just the real Church of Christ / Church of God.
@@ReadyToHarvest Great. You can also add evangelical denominations like Kingdom of Jesus Christ (found by Ptr. Apollo Quiboloy) and Jesus is Lord (by Bro. Eddie Villanueva). Looking forward to that content brother. Mabuhay.
Eastern Orthodox here. You did a spot on presentation of Eastern Orthodoxy in Oriental Orthodoxy some months ago. I have mentioned many of my fellow Orthodox how excellent your presentation was and recommended that they visit your channel. So I was disappointed when you were discussing the names that churches give himself that the Orthodox were left out. The liturgical name for Eastern Orthodoxy in general is The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Given your presentation some parts of this appellation are used by other Christian Communities besides the Orthodox. As you are aware Eastern Orthodoxy does not comprise a single Church jurisdiction as the Church of Rome otherwise known as the Catholic Church but rather various Autocephalous Churches. That term is better understood as Orthodox jurisdictions. In the United States the jurisdiction of which I'm the part is known as the Orthodox Church in America. There is also the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North America, the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Church, the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia and so forth. Even as an Orthodox Christian myself I am sure I have not represented the exact names of the other Orthodox jurisdictions other than my own! Like my other Christian brothers and sisters we are many but with them we are all One in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity to Whom be all glory now and unto the ages .
God bless! I must say though, as Greek Catholic (He could've had the chance to bring up the "Uniate" name too), that we have Autcephalous Churches as well, it's just that the Roman one in our communion makes up it's overwhelming majority.
Christian churches and Churches of Christ are instrumental. In Ohio and other parts of the country they're mostly called Churches of Christ which can be confused with the non instrumental Churches of Christ. People would walk into a church on Sunday morning (when visiting the town) see the instruments and walk out.
The Recovery Movement is another one that resists any official designation. Local congregations are referred to as The Church in (name of city) which can be a little confusing.
John and Andrew were disciples of John before they stared following Jesus (see the last part of John chapter 1), so they were probably baptized by him. Beyond that, well, the guy's a Landmarkist, which is a theology of Baptist origins that, as far as this Southern Baptist is concerned, depends on many unprovable assertions about history.
@@savioblanc yeah, Scripture says absolutely nothing on the subject, so it's not impossible, but still a baseless assertion. If the question of who baptized the disciples mattered, then Scripture would tell us.
It matters if you care about what type of service and doctrine you'll be receiving. When they hide it from their name or their website or pamphlets or whatever I see it as a red flag.
I don’t mind having a denomination title in my church’s name; it doesn’t confuse me. If I go to a church without a denomination attached, I assume it’s non-denominational, until I get in the service and see it’s clearly Pentecostal. Most large Baptist churches in my area have dropped their denominational name (I was raised Missionary Baptist, and my childhood church removed those names from its name, which is disappointing, because if I didn’t know they were Baptist, I’d automatically think they were non-denominational.) I prefer churches with denominational names so I’m not confused. And I’m a millennial and know that a lot of millennials prefer churches without denominational titles. But a non-denominational church in my experience has either been heavily Pentecostal or somewhat Baptist, usually the former.
There is a non-denominational (baby mega church) church that has opened across the the street. I asked three different people what kind of church it is, and got 3 different answers "full gospel", "pentecostal", "Charismatic".
Those three answers tells you all you need to know. They're non-Christian Dispensationalists denomination who love to pretend gibberish is a language. "Baby mega church" tells me they serve Starbucks coffee (complete with pagan logo), don't have Sunday school classes, and have a rock band instead of a choir. If you asked those three different people to name the four Gospels, you'd also get three different answers. How am I doing. LOL!
@@jamesreed5678 Yes they have a coffee shop and a pretty loud band. Haven't seen kids being dropped off separately. You seem to be spot on though I'm not sure what "non-Christian dispensationalists" are. I visited their website and couldn't find a statement of beliefs anywhere.
I'm disappointed Joshua didn't mention the Plymouth Brethren. At least some of J. N. Darby's followers today refuse to call themselves anything but Christian. I was raised in such a church, and I bet the number of members there who'd ever heard the term "Plymouth Brethren" could have been counted on the fingers of one hand. The US government even honored this request of no name by identifying the various factions of the Plymouth Brethren with nothing other than Roman numerals. As for the two-by-two's, I first heard of them in 1979. There was a married couple who cleaned the church building on Saturday nights. While they were in there, they didn't lock the door. A couple of two-by-two's just barged in and were wandering around the building when the cleaners ran into them. When asked what they were doing there, they said they wanted to spend the night in the chapel. When told they couldn't stay, the got nasty. As they were leaving, they told the woman cleaner, 'You're wearing death on your feet, Sister!" When queried as to what that was supposed to mean, they said they didn't use animal products, and since she was wearing leather shoes, it was clear that she was going to hell.
Vatican I official documents do refer to the "Holy Roman Church," and its profession of faith states,"I acknowledge the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church, the mother and mistress of all the Churches." So "Roman" isn't a qualifier used exclusively by non-Catholics. Some Eastern Rite Catholics will use "Roman Catholic" to refer to the predominant Latin Church using the Roman Rite, but not to the Roman papal communion as a whole. Many Orthodox, some Anglicans, and a handful of Lutherans do get a bit peeved that the English term "Catholic" used in isolation is always understood to refer to the communion under the pope of Rome, but historical circumstances are what they are.
@@fnjesusfreak And no one thought to ask him. "Hey Paul isn't that a little redundant?" I'm mean church of god? What else would it be the church of? Like I said redundant.
I'm a member of a Church of Christ. But i disagree with the first Church of Christer you quote. I agree with the second. I don't think the "Church" (i.e. of the NT) has a legal organizationanal name. It's kind of ironic that those in my fellowship who make a big deal out of the so-called "scriptural name" treat it in the most "denominational" way. we do a better job than most at majoring in the minors.
Wow, did anyone else find the CoC justification against labels read in 1:26 downright hypocritical? They appeal to just calling themselves "Christian", yet the passage they cite is 1 Cor 1: 10, which goes on to explicitly condemn those who would use Christ's name to divide from other groups. I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or *“I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided?* Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Nowadays it just jumps out at me how often people try to lift themselves up because they label themselves after Jesus and how they aren't like those other groups whose names follow a different pattern.
Fun fact about the Anglican Church in Japan: in Japanese we call it the 日本聖公会. 日本 (Nippon) means “Japan,” 聖 (sei) means “Holy,” and 公会 (koukai) literally means something like “public association.” If I understand it correctly, when you slap it all together it means “the Holy Catholic Church” a la the Apostle’s Creed
@@reintaler6355 I guess I shouldn’t have said “I think” rather “I know,” lol I’ve been in Japan too long… My wife is Catholic and we go to mass every week, the apostles creed we say uses 普遍
The funny thing about all these "Church of God" and "Churches of Christ" that exist because people want to use only a directly Biblical name is that of all the ways Ekklesia has been translated into English "Church" is about the worst. Congregation works better but the best is Assembly.
I'd would like to see you do a video about the World Wide Church of God in greater detail. Armstrong was a rather interesting character along with his son Garner Ted.
The name of my church is “the church Jesus founded, is wholly guided by the Holy Spirit since Pentecost, and lead by the apostles’ descendants.” Most people though call us the “Roman Catholic Church” and haters call us “the whore of Babylon”
I have several English translations of the Bible but admit to using the King James most. Patly that's because it is the translation my parents used most when I was a boy and partly it is because it is in the public domain, i.e. I don't need to worry about copyright infringements when I quote it. From the evidence I find in my Bible, it seems to me that the word, "church" can refer to all of the Christians in the world or it can refer to all of the Christians in or near a city, town or village. I believe the church should be organized but, even as a boy in the '50s, I didn't think of any organization of the church as "the church". In our society (United States) almost everyone who answers questions about his religion by saying he is Lutheran, methodist or baptist is understood by almost everyone else to mean that he is a member of a Lutheran, methodist or baptist congregation or organization but that his RELIGION is Christianity. Perhaps that is unfortunate. Maybe the Christian cause would be better served if all Christians, when asked about our religion, would simply say we are Christians. In most cases, that would, of course, lead to additional questions. People would still like to know whether we subscribe to a particular emphasis (or emphases) among the many aspects of biblical truth. Perhaps it would be worth taking the extra time to answer both of those questions because the alternative is to give the impression that our denominational affiliation and our religion are entirely the same thing. For me, at least, that has never been the case.
The king or queen of England holds the copyright to the KJV. The current copyright was set to expire very soon (if not already), but the Queen was going to renew the copyright. Its a common false assumption because international copyrights did not exist, but local or regional copyrights did exist. So the copyright is only for Britain. Not sure if that also applies to British Commonwealth nations. My own KJV says COPYRIGHT straight up in the foreword portion.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I guess that puts a whole new spin on the concept of "royalties". Seriously though, has the crown collected royalties on the use of the King James translation anytime in the last hundred years?
@@rogermetzger7335 Not outside Britain as they legally could not. Inside Britain I don't know. There must be some reason The Crown has been keeping the copyright for 400 years, but I'm not aware what it might be.
Me, learning more about the different protestant denominations so I can prepare the pyre's burning time to be proportional to the amount and gravity of heresies they follow
Again, pure arrogance. Luther began the Reformation with the 95 theses because the church in Rome was violating its own canon law. He did not separate but was removed by those in violation of law. Luther also got the RC church to get off its ass with the Council of Trent and address issues that had plagued the church for many years. Roman arrogance really upset my father from the days you would demand conversion on the part of a non Catholic partner in a marriage or demand that the children be raised catholic. Fortunately this has changed. Funny thing about my father, he hated all organized religion but would watch Bishop Fulton Sheen's tv program. Bishop Sheen could be more ecuminical which got him in trouble with his superiors. For example he used Protestant clergy to teach family counselling in his seminary in Rochester.
I'm definitely in agreement with Spurgeon and those who believe that being a Christian is first & foremost over what name one is called, but I also think the naming is good. Not every church adheres to the teachings of Scriptures as well as others, with some being downright blasphemous groups. Names matter as it can help in distinguishing fallen Churches from ones that are more likely to be alive in Christ.
If your interested in knowing this, in 1893, THE WORLD PARLIAMENT OF RELIGIONS, UNITED UNDER SOME SWAMI. Then, in 1948, THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES UNITED. This was the same time, that ISRAEL became a NATION. Meantime, we are all waiting for Israel to become a nation. This world is OUTSIDE THE GARDEN(EDEN). There is only ONE WAY back in. That WAY, is through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God(God himself, manifest in the flesh) The garden,(Eden), is Gods Holy Word( KJV) You see, God, TRANSLATED himself( brought himself forth) for his sheep. His word is ALIVE, because HE, is ALIVE. God bless ALL of Gods sheep.
I literally don't care if you call me a papist-romanist but people saying "Roman Catholic Church" bothers me for some reason - there is the Catholic Church made up of the Latin Church and Eastern Churches.
God does not dwell in temples made with hands. We,(Born again Christians,) are the temple of the living God. If 2 of us met on the street( in his name)thats church. DENOMINATIONS, ARE NOT "THE CHURCH".
I thought the Roman Catholic Church was called that party because there is more than one. For instance, there's the Ukrainian Catholic Church but as I understand it they are in full communion with one another.
The Catholic church is called “Catholic church” and it has 23 rites within it. Latin rite (roman for the negative connotation) being only one, Arminian, Coptic, Syriac,…
Well, as far as they're concerned, they're just The Church. As in no other church is The Church. A lot of Protestants use "Roman" specifically to minimize their claim to be The Church.
@@fnjesusfreak Maybe there's laypeople who think they're hardliners by not using "Roman", but here's what a diocese in my area calls itself: "Roman Catholic Diocese of Scranton".
Jesus did not set up a denomination. He set up a church. The church was born on the day of Pentecost in Acts the 2nd chapter. The most, the most important thing to remember is the doctrine. "And they continued stead fastly in the apostles doctrine..." Acts 2:42. We must be born again. See John 3:1-8. 5:12 Wow. John the Baptist said; "He must increase, and I must decrease.".
You got it wrong Jimmy Armijo, it was Matthew 16 v 18 when Jesus, said to Simon, so I now say to you: you are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hades will not prevail against it, the Pentecost in acts is the Holy Spirit came upon them so that they would not be afraid of mortal men when proclaiming the gospel, before this the church was just the closest followers of the way
"Roman Catholic" can only really apply to the Latin Church tbh. There's a lot of different Christians with their own traditions and (compatible) theology and spirituality with within the Catholic Church, but we're all in communion and have the Pope as the pontiff. The Pope has direct authority over all the churches, but usually his role will differ in the Eastern churches and be less involved unless invoked by the Bishops of that church.
That’s what they do in African American sitcoms. 😆 When I was 7, I was interested in learning about denominations, and I made up a church: the first Baptist Methodist Apostolic Church of the Living God in Christ… or something to that effect. I thought the more denominations a church had in its name made it more important, I guess. Nowadays, my question is how do you have a church that is both Baptist and Church of Christ? I have seen several churches in my area with this joint affiliation, and it confuses me. I prefer instruments (I play clarinet).
@@essafats5728 why are you so rude? You can claim the name of Jesus but be rude to others on the internet? Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven.” -the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 7 : 21)
If we’re honest, there is no perfect church, and it doesn’t matter what you call yourself. When you boil it down, all that matters is “Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?” and “Have you received him as your personal Saviour, and thus been washed from all your sins by faith in his shed blood on the cross of Calvary?” “ And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God” - Romans 3:23-25 “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” - John 1:12-13
But there is a perfect Church. The Catholic Church. The Church that Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself established. Every Christian denomination has been established by human being, whereas the one true Church was given to us by God.
@@alhilford2345 If the Roman Catholic church were the true church, then it would teach what the Bible says instead of overriding Biblical teachings with its own traditions and words of sinful men (popes, priests, etc.)
As a Catholic, I'm more than happy to just call it "the Church" since the implication is that by that name we could only be referring to the Church Jesus founded
Which you believe yourselves to be, since your regard the Church catholic as a hierarchy rather than the sum total of Christ's flock. But it's apt to be confusing to other members of the Church Jesus founded.
@@Qwerty-jy9mj I guess you're the Eye-roller Catholic: ✔️ Condescending are arrogant ✔️ Unable to answer simple questions, just like favorite apologist ✔️Speaks like a lawyer, brings no clarity to any situation ✔️ Universally disliked
Only Protestant churches have denominations. The Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ in 33AD, called "Catholic" or "Universal" in 107AD in a letter written by St. Ignatius of Antioch. Martin Luther came along 1500 years later....The End.
There's a true Church and a false church and that causes schisms and that new defined terms created to separate the two ends up being polluted and split and the cycle continues. I just personally state what I believe when in regards to certain parts of Theology. Eschatology: Premillennial Dispensational Pre tribber. Soteriology: Lordship Salvation Calvinist.
Many years ago, one of our priests had a license plate that said "PAPIST".
Sounds like a cool guy
Based
It's good that some of them are papists while some of them are not, it really makes a uniform Church filled with people who disagree on Papal teaching and are incapable of interpreting dogma.
Least he’s honest
Oh certainly he is an orthodox priest😎
I once visited a gospel service in a small two-by-two church in Moose Jaw, Canada after being invited by two little old ladies I had struck up a conversation with in a Tim Hortons. I was curious about the meeting because they were reluctant to tell me what group they were with and wanted to figure it out. I was also curious because their piety reminded me of the open plymouth brethren background I grew up in (and even more of the closed plymouth brethren stance of my grandfather).
After the service I wanted to learn what denomination those assembled were a part of, so as part of a larger conversation, I asked the minister if they had any doctrinal statements, literature, etc which I could read to better understand their group's teaching. I was instructed to read Acts chapter 2 for more information.
Having come prepared for such an indirect answer, I next asked if they had anything written down about the history of the particular group of believers who meet together in Moose Jaw. Again I was referred to Acts chapter 2.
Finally, it was only when I asked "what name do people of the world use when they refer to your group?" Did I hear the name two-by-twos. It always stuck with me how reluctant they were to offer a name. I wondered if they were worried that by learning a name, I would go to the internet and learn something I didn't like about them, or learn something that was said that misrepresented them. But now I know they just really really don't like assigning themselves a name.
God doesn't have a name because he's the only God. (Moses, "What is [your] name?" God, "I AM THAT I AM." Jehovah/Yahweh isn't a proper name, but means the existing one.) Jesus has a name because he was also a man among many men.
Refusing to name their group is another way of proclaiming they uniquely are the true church. But, not only is that far from true, it's also not very practical.
I ran into a similar group in New Mexico. The guy wasn’t very polite and didn’t like that I asked those questions of his associate pastor. The pastors in this group were in a circuit covering several states.
Jesus is the greek name for the Hebrew name Yeshua which means "Yahweh saves" or "Yahweh delivers or rescues.
What is a "Two by too" church and is Tim Hortons an ice cream store?
@@lyndavonkanel8603 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_by_Twos . Just be grateful there's no Two by Fours. I can't tell if Tim Horton is a reference to the Canadian coffee shop chain or not.
I am so glad you talked about the name Mormon for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! I am an Evangelical who knows a lot about Mormonism and my channel is making an impact in that community. I would love to chat with you when you get the chance and I can give you the real reasons why the LDS church quit using the name Mormon. I also have a history with Hammond First Baptist & Jack Hyles as well as Lowell Indiana First Baptist.
Knowing nothing about their given reasons, I assume it's just political manipulation. At best, they're trying to freshen up their image. At worst, they're trying to highlight anti-Mormonism by letting the use of the word "Mormon" expose people who don't approve of Mormonism.
This was an extremely thorough video. Just wanted to commend your efforts on this one. :)
Thank you!
Thanks for the shout out. Always nice to see *accurate* information about my church in the media.
You bring up the two by twos, almost as if you are planning to do a video on them. I would certainly be interested in learning about such a rare breed.
In Samoa:
- Samoan Congregational Church (originally London Missionary Society aka LMS) is called Lotu Ta’iti (Tahitian Church) because their first missionaries brought Christianity from Tahiti.
- Catholic Church is called Lotu Pope (Pope’s Church) which I guess is our way of saying Papists. Originally a derogatory name but not anymore.
- Methodist Church is called Lotu Tonga (Tongan Church) because their first missionaries brought Methodism from Tonga.
These terms are more used in casual conversations. In formal speeches however, they are referred to by their proper names.
Since I'm Byzantine Catholic, I often say "Roman Catholic Church," as well, because most people look at me odd if I say "The Roman Rite of the Catholic Church." Most people don't know that there are other Catholics who aren't part of the Roman Rite, outside of countries where most Catholics aren't Roman.
I'd like to suggest that you use the term Latin Rite Catholic, because the official liturgical language is Latin.
But you are correct, and as a Latin Catholic I grew up not even knowing that there were other Rites. I'm always curious to know how the different liturgies compare.
@@alhilford2345 Except that's not entirely accurate either since most Norvus Ordo Churches don't use Latin, and the Byzantine/Eastern Catholics don't call themselves Greek Rite Catholics despite their primary language being Greek
Just say "I'm Catholic - Byzantine edition" 😄
Bro, I love these videos
That was the greatest ready to harvest thumbnail I’ve seen!
A+ use of that meme in the thumbnail by the way!
It definitely got me to click!
@@intergalactichumanempire9759 Me too.
I would love to see more about the Church without a name,Two by two etc.
There is a church building on the civil war battlefield of Antietam in Maryland called the "Dunker Church." It was actually a German Baptist Bretheren church which probably got its nickname because of its practice of baptism by total immersion. Has any other congregation been called by this nickname?
Catholic & Orthodox are not denominations, but the Holy Catholic Church. The schism between the two still does not make them "denominations" since these two alone are the single lineage of the one Church founded by Christ, from which all Christians got their Scriptures and basic Theology about Christ being God and Man.
The fact that there are so many different denominations and names should cause any reasonable person to question what the heck is going on. Take just the baptist for example, they are like Baskin Robins Ice Cream with 31+ different flavors to choose from.
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Catholics are the same way. Charismatic Catholic, Roman Catholic, Catholic Apostolic, etc. Stop hating on the Baptists because you refuse to try to understand their doctrine.
@@claryp1509 Nope, Catholics are just Catholics. It is other's who put different labels on them. Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, but clearly she is NOT following Church teaching. Not hating baptist by pointing out the large variety of different types of baptist with some better than others. My brother apparently is in one group of baptist that believes once saved/always saved and he never has to repent for anything ever again because doing so will be a denial he was saved in the first place.
All started in the 11th century, then made worse with martin luther
@@duckmeat4674 From the very beginning, men have been trying to "reinterpret" God's meaning, but it definitely got worse after Martin Luther. Peter warned us Paul's writings are sometimes hard to understand in 2 Peter 3 16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
"Roman" Catholic is a term in English, because it was invented by Anglicans who wanted to be "catholic" too, so described themselves as "Anglo Catholics". As a result, "Roman" is now used in some other languages, but not all: it never caught on in French or Italian.
Although it is not the name of the Church officially, it is quite useful to distinguish adherents of the (majority) Latin Rite from adherents of other Churches in communion with Rome, for example in Ukraine, who use non-Latin Rites
I've also seen the term Eastern Rite Catholics used in referring to non-Roman Catholics. Eastern Rite churches include Maronite (Lebanese), Ukrainian Catholic, Uniate (Ruthenians of Eastern Europe), etc.
I work with a lot of Chaldean (Iraqi) Catholics, so I was going to comment something similar.
@@darlahaines6928 Actually, if you are a member of an Eastern Rite church in communion with the Holy See, you are also a Roman Catholic. Your ecclesiam juris sui are autonomous and are supervised by Cardinal-Patriarchs.
Actually, “Anglo-Catholic” is an Oxford Movement term. St. John Henry Newman was one of these before crossing the Tiber.
In the UK "Roman Catholic" is generally used as a pejorative, although it is true some Catholics refer to themselves that way, through cultural hegemony or ignorance. "Crossing the Tiber" is another misnomer, as Protestant Europe's boundaries ended well short of Rome. If we must use synecdoche, it is Protestants who crossed the Tiber, not Catholics.
I'm a Canadian Presbyterian, and would love to learn more about PCC, epseically the thing about it is the "in" Canada, not "of" Canada; also that legal battle sounds like a hoot!
What is it with splinter groups putting "United" in the name? Don't they see the irony?
It reminds me of the east German national anthem, one line of which calls Germany "the United fatherland"
Often, they are formed from the unions of other splinter groups. (For example, I'm a United Methodist; the United comes from the fact that we absorbed another denomination in 1966.)
@@fnjesusfreak One that already had "United" in the name. In 1968, as you say, the Methodist Church merged with the Evangelical United Brethren Church. That in turn had been the 1946 merger of the Evangelical Church (or Evangelical Association, or Albright Brethren) and the Church of the United Brethren in Christ (New Constitution). That latter church had resulted from an 1889 split in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ over representation at its General Conference (the Church of the United Brethren in Christ (Old Constitution) still exists today). As far as I can tell the Church of the United Brethren in Christ was not a merger.
@@nendwr Well, he did just say "often" not "that always means"
Thanx, Joshua 🌹🌹🌹🌹
I see you’re at the “cheeky jabbing” stage of your journey across the Tiber.
Tiber
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber
I’d love for you to do more videos about the Restoration/Stone-Campbell Movement, since I grew up in a “Christian Church.”
I have some more in the works!
Consider this scenario: You create a bakery that specializes in bread, so you call it Bakery of Bread. Do you consider the name chosen to be more or less protected than say, "Bob's Bakery (of Bread)". "Church of God" is VERY generic and descriptive, more of a category than a name.
I am tired of explaining that just because people call us “Swedenborgians”, that does not mean we “worship” Swedenborg. And, no, we are not “the Swedish church”. (We don’t even have Swedish meatballs.”
Do you tell people that resistance is futile and you will be assimilated, but with a Swedish accent?
Do you tell people that resistance is futile and you will be assimilated, but with a Swedish accent?
There was a senator from Pennsylvania of your faith. A branch has it's Hq on the northern outskirts of Philadelphia.
Try the meatballs, they're great!
You SHOULD have Swedish meatballs, they're great meatballs. Also, a swedenborgian! You exist!
This is a really interesting video. I had no idea that so many denominations thought that a Churches name required certain phrases. That's really interesting.
interesting, it's confusing how many denominations have variations of the same names
What about us Anabapto Black Bumper Catholics?
Early in my 'walk', a priest looked me in the eye and said '"It is about God, once we have got you thinking about God, we can worry about denomination later."
Very interesting! (And thank you for including the church of which I am a member: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.)
Your church started by Joseph Smith.
Will you ever do a video on the Nestorian Church of the East?
Church of the East
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_East
If I see a church with a vague name [The Gathering, or Harvest Church, or Life Church, or some such name], I wonder what they are trying to hide.
It just gives you a hint of their primary ministry. All of them would be biblical. If you don't gather you'll scatter (we gather to encourage each other in good works...). Harvest church would maybe have a more evangelistic approach encouraging street outreach, praying for the sick and similar. Life could be a more family oriented church.
You could always go and read their belief statement ask about structure and talk with a lead congregational pastor.
@@betrion7 -- None of those names gives me the slightest clue about where they are doctrinally, other than to say that they downplay the importance of doctrine.
@@gregb6469 other paragraph of my reply is dealing with your worry. Then again, you seem to already have your opinion on doctrine and denominations set. May the Lord be blessed 🙏
@@betrion7 -- If I am driving by a church building I am not going to stop and waste my time trying to look them up online to read their unimportant-to-them-anyway doctrinal statement (which will likely be so basic and loose that anyone this side of the Watchtower could sign it). These places are usually little more than religiously-veneered social clubs.
@@gregb6469 Man, I'm so happy you're at least looking at historical Christianity! There's a life in Christ and outside of the tower. I can give you pointers if you will or talk theology in ANE context. Jesus can set you free - He is God 🙏
Can you go into depth about Armstrongism?
Fair take on us Catholics. I will submit that as an eastern Catholic it is really inappropriate to call us "Roman Catholic" as we have neither the spirituality or the head of our particular church in Rome. We are under the pontif for sure, but more directly under our patriarch. The Catholic Church of Rome has very few Catholics, the western church whose patriarch is the Pope of Rome, has the most people, but the majority of the churches are eastern in nature with their own unique spirituality and a liturgy that is different than the mass of the west while also being in full communion.
@Ninja Penguin while that is true, submitting to the Roman Pontiff does not make them Roman. They are still eastern.
Eh, as an Eastern Catholic, I too think it's confusing to say we aren't part of the RCC. It gives people the impression that we are a separate denomination from the RCC, and that implies all sorts of fallacies, e.g., we aren't in communion with each other, the Bishop of Rome isn't our Papa, etc.
@Ninja Penguin I think the hard thing about the Eastern Churches are there are those out of communion and those in communion. Simply put the eastern churches are completely separate (suis juris) and autonomous churches that are in union with Rome. So in some senses we are a separate denomination but not as a protestant would define one as such. Within an established Eparchy the eastern bishop has full jurisdiction. The local bishop and even the pope would have indirect influence on the local eastern bishop and vice versa.
Calling the Ukranian Church "Roman" seems far more confusing than stating that the Catholic Church comprises many parts that are separate but in full communion with one another, the largest being the Latin church who is headed by the pope with 23 other churches in full communion.
I think this would be a wonderful concept for protestants, as there is full communion despite spiritual and theological differences.
@@trevorhanlin4247 well hang on, what Eastern Catholic Church is both autonomous and in union with Rome?
@@enshala6401 all of them? The Pope has only doctrinal authority over the other churches, on all other matters the highest authority is the Patriarch of that given Church
There is an Assemblies of God, a UCC in my hometown there are 2 'Lutheran LCMS the other ELCA a Baptist and a Catholic.
I pickup and read what Ingatius, Clement, Athanasius wrote and I find my church. The universal church. The Catholic Church. Protestants may want to claim that title for themselves but if the first person you can point to that agrees with you on all your key fundamental issues (baptism, salvation, etc) lived in the 1800s, how can your church be universal?
Funny how you justified each groups own reasoning for their name except the Catholics
Most Protestants would argue that schism is an "accidental property" of the Church; that they are actually united with each other and with us (I am Orthodox), despite all appearances.
Just a thought...If we can claim creedal marks of the church by putting them in our names, then we force ourselves to choose between universality and nonheresy. And we have ceded apostolic succession and holiness respectively to Oneness Pentecostals and...no one I've heard of.
Jesus started Catholic church.
The Catholic Church is NOT a denomination.
It is simply the Church.
@@alhilford2345 You could argue there is Western Christianity and Eastern Christianity, but I agree in principle.
@@borderlands6606 :
It is still called the Catholic Church, but there are the various Rites.
All in Communion with the Bishop of Rome.
I had a friend who asked me to arrange some music for a church he was going to start that he planned to call "The Christianship Fellowship Bible Church."
Another interesting one is the "Local Church", and how is tied to Watchman Nee, they refuse to have an actual name for themselves
7:30 The Catholic Church dropped "Roman." I'm surprised you discussed the LDS rebranding but not the RCC rebranding.
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A rose by any other name...."The Other Catholics..." Julie Byrne, 2016 a study of the Independent Catholic Movement(s) - I swear there is a denomination for each person on teh globe.
There is also an argument for "Roman Catholic" refering to the Western Rite, with the "Catholic Church" including the Eastern Rite (and other believing Christians who are not down with the Pope theologically , but NOT administratively).
@@johnminehan1148”Roman Catholic” has been the official name of the Church since at least 1054 A.D. (The Great Schism), and refers to those who accept the Pope as the head of the Church, including the Dogma of Papal Infallibility. These include the Eastern Catholics (Uniate) who accept these same dogmas. The “Old Catholics” are a denomination that doesn’t accept Papal Infallibility. The Traditionalist Catholics are those who attend the Tridentine Latin Mass. The Sedevacantists are Trad. Catholics who believe there hasn’t been a validly elected Pope since Pius XII died in 1958. Then there are some groups (Conclavists) who elect there own pope. (It’s even got even more confusing since Benedict XVI was, in the eyes of many, forced out against his will, and that Francis is truly an anti-Pope, considering all the abominal behavior coming out of the present-day Vatican.)
You can make an argument that some Eastern Rite Churches come out of the Oriental Orthodox tradition so may not be "Eastern" Catholics, to be hyper-technical.
@@CatholicTraditional :
Correction.
Your response will cause confusion among non-Catholics here.
There is one true Church, the Catholic Church!
The Church is comprised of several "Rites" one of which is the Latin Rite.
This Rite is often mistakenly referred to as "Roman Catholic",
even by Catholics who have been misinformed.
I saw a church called Bended knee cowboy church...was very curious.
There's the Oasis of Love church in Huntingdon, PA. It's been years since I've passed it, but I seem to remember it had a neon sign. It looked really sketchy.
@@mournblade1066
Neon sign?
Reminds me of "Jesus Saves" from Grand Theft Auto 2.
Two by twos. Isn't RL Allan, the Bible publisher, connected to them?
Surprised you didn't mention the "Church of God (7th Day)".
Hi. I have a set of fun facts about those denomination names.
In my country, The Philippines (I'm Catholic), there are two of the known churches established in the Philippines: namely Iglesia Filipina Independiente (a Church separated from the Catholic Church) and Iglesia ni Cristo (a well-known Restorationist church in the Philippines). Everyone famously called the IFI as Aglipayan Church or Aglipay from the namesake of Gregorio Aglipay, who is their first Obispo Maximo (or Supreme Bishop), and it is acceptable by them because the actual name is too long and too Spanish for us to speak. Meanwhile, the Iglesia ni Cristo hates being called as "Iglesia ni Manalo," a derogatory term for INC adherents, and it is based on the surname of its founder, Felix Y. Manalo. The "Iglesia ni Manalo" term was commonly used by the people who are critics and haters of the INC.
Thanks for sharing. I am making a video on MCGI/Ang Dating Daan and I noted that Eli Soriano liked to use the Iglesia ni Manalo title. A title like that is especially considered to be insulting to groups who claim to be "not a denomination" but just the real Church of Christ / Church of God.
@@ReadyToHarvest Great. You can also add evangelical denominations like Kingdom of Jesus Christ (found by Ptr. Apollo Quiboloy) and Jesus is Lord (by Bro. Eddie Villanueva). Looking forward to that content brother. Mabuhay.
Jesus started Catholic church. Manalo started Iglesia Ni Christo. Jesus or Manalo? Im going with Jesus and thats why Im Catholic.
@@johnyang1420 bro calm down for a while. I'm just sharing a thing here. I'm also a Catholic, and we all know that Jesus started the Catholic Church.
@@denzelminimo1883 nope... orthodox is the real religion
This video, more than most on this channel, makes Christians look like clowns. BTW, another good video!
There is so much more you could have said about denominational naming and the history of many groups.
Eastern Orthodox here. You did a spot on presentation of Eastern Orthodoxy in Oriental Orthodoxy some months ago. I have mentioned many of my fellow Orthodox how excellent your presentation was and recommended that they visit your channel. So I was disappointed when you were discussing the names that churches give himself that the Orthodox were left out. The liturgical name for Eastern Orthodoxy in general is The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Given your presentation some parts of this appellation are used by other Christian Communities besides the Orthodox. As you are aware Eastern Orthodoxy does not comprise a single Church jurisdiction as the Church of Rome otherwise known as the Catholic Church but rather various Autocephalous Churches. That term is better understood as Orthodox jurisdictions. In the United States the jurisdiction of which I'm the part is known as the Orthodox Church in America. There is also the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North America, the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Church, the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia and so forth. Even as an Orthodox Christian myself I am sure I have not represented the exact names of the other Orthodox jurisdictions other than my own! Like my other Christian brothers and sisters we are many but with them we are all One in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity to Whom be all glory now and unto the ages .
God bless! I must say though, as Greek Catholic (He could've had the chance to bring up the "Uniate" name too), that we have Autcephalous Churches as well, it's just that the Roman one in our communion makes up it's overwhelming majority.
Christian churches and Churches of Christ are instrumental. In Ohio and other parts of the country they're mostly called Churches of Christ which can be confused with the non instrumental Churches of Christ. People would walk into a church on Sunday morning (when visiting the town) see the instruments and walk out.
The Recovery Movement is another one that resists any official designation. Local congregations are referred to as The Church in (name of city) which can be a little confusing.
The church of witness lee
The Church of Christschurch?
@@cutebeanie it very much is.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 it would be the Church in Christchurch.
@@danlin8662 Churchception
Wait, when did John the Baptist baptise the 12 apostles? I know John baptized Jesus but I don't remember the 12 being baptized by him
John and Andrew were disciples of John before they stared following Jesus (see the last part of John chapter 1), so they were probably baptized by him. Beyond that, well, the guy's a Landmarkist, which is a theology of Baptist origins that, as far as this Southern Baptist is concerned, depends on many unprovable assertions about history.
@@jameswhitley4101 good point but I guess the 10 might have or might not have been baptized by John then
@@savioblanc yeah, Scripture says absolutely nothing on the subject, so it's not impossible, but still a baseless assertion. If the question of who baptized the disciples mattered, then Scripture would tell us.
A catholic church was defined at Nicea, not Vatican Cilty.
Why are there so many Catholics in here? -a very Catholic person.
Happy to see it just surprised
But not all of us are ROMAN catholics.
Romanists like to swarm RUclips comments sections, it makes them feel like they are in control.
@@RobertEWaters sure, but the largest rite outside Roman is nearly 7000 times smaller. Odds are most people commenting are Roman rite.
@@RobertEWaters You keep telling yourself that
Interested in what other denominations think about Catholics - and in general what other denominations believe
Ready to Harvest Rocks!
4:00 Mr. Worldwide!
It matters if you care about what type of service and doctrine you'll be receiving. When they hide it from their name or their website or pamphlets or whatever I see it as a red flag.
I don’t mind having a denomination title in my church’s name; it doesn’t confuse me. If I go to a church without a denomination attached, I assume it’s non-denominational, until I get in the service and see it’s clearly Pentecostal. Most large Baptist churches in my area have dropped their denominational name (I was raised Missionary Baptist, and my childhood church removed those names from its name, which is disappointing, because if I didn’t know they were Baptist, I’d automatically think they were non-denominational.) I prefer churches with denominational names so I’m not confused. And I’m a millennial and know that a lot of millennials prefer churches without denominational titles. But a non-denominational church in my experience has either been heavily Pentecostal or somewhat Baptist, usually the former.
Jesus started Catholic church.
0:10 In Germany, the word for Lutheran is "Evangelisch".
There is a non-denominational (baby mega church) church that has opened across the the street. I asked three different people what kind of church it is, and got 3 different answers "full gospel", "pentecostal", "Charismatic".
Those three answers tells you all you need to know. They're non-Christian Dispensationalists denomination who love to pretend gibberish is a language.
"Baby mega church" tells me they serve Starbucks coffee (complete with pagan logo), don't have Sunday school classes, and have a rock band instead of a choir.
If you asked those three different people to name the four Gospels, you'd also get three different answers.
How am I doing. LOL!
The answers they gave are pretty much in line with each other and I totally can picture what kind of church it is and what they believe in general
@@jamesreed5678 Yes they have a coffee shop and a pretty loud band. Haven't seen kids being dropped off separately. You seem to be spot on though I'm not sure what "non-Christian dispensationalists" are. I visited their website and couldn't find a statement of beliefs anywhere.
If its in the US they legally have to have a denomination. See if you can check their tax records lol.
All are probably true. Full Gospel is a subset of Pentecostal.
I'm disappointed Joshua didn't mention the Plymouth Brethren. At least some of J. N. Darby's followers today refuse to call themselves anything but Christian. I was raised in such a church, and I bet the number of members there who'd ever heard the term "Plymouth Brethren" could have been counted on the fingers of one hand. The US government even honored this request of no name by identifying the various factions of the Plymouth Brethren with nothing other than Roman numerals.
As for the two-by-two's, I first heard of them in 1979. There was a married couple who cleaned the church building on Saturday nights. While they were in there, they didn't lock the door. A couple of two-by-two's just barged in and were wandering around the building when the cleaners ran into them. When asked what they were doing there, they said they wanted to spend the night in the chapel. When told they couldn't stay, the got nasty. As they were leaving, they told the woman cleaner, 'You're wearing death on your feet, Sister!" When queried as to what that was supposed to mean, they said they didn't use animal products, and since she was wearing leather shoes, it was clear that she was going to hell.
Please don't mind, this is true for all other protestant denominations too
Vatican I official documents do refer to the "Holy Roman Church," and its profession of faith states,"I acknowledge the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church, the mother and mistress of all the Churches." So "Roman" isn't a qualifier used exclusively by non-Catholics. Some Eastern Rite Catholics will use "Roman Catholic" to refer to the predominant Latin Church using the Roman Rite, but not to the Roman papal communion as a whole. Many Orthodox, some Anglicans, and a handful of Lutherans do get a bit peeved that the English term "Catholic" used in isolation is always understood to refer to the communion under the pope of Rome, but historical circumstances are what they are.
3:48 Isn't church of god kind of redundant?
Paul used the phrase.
@@fnjesusfreak And no one thought to ask him. "Hey Paul isn't that a little redundant?" I'm mean church of god? What else would it be the church of? Like I said redundant.
@@andrewgraziani4331 It's not redundant in Greek or Latin, at any rate.
As long as the name does not include "...with Signs Following...." because that, my friends, means snake handling
Snake handling in Christianity
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling_in_Christianity
Jesus yelled “my sheep, my sheep!”…..and that was the first church……The Church of Jesus Sheep! 😁😁😁😁
Hey that ain’t bbbaaaaaaaaaaaddddd!!!
I'm a member of a Church of Christ. But i disagree with the first Church of Christer you quote. I agree with the second. I don't think the "Church" (i.e. of the NT) has a legal organizationanal name. It's kind of ironic that those in my fellowship who make a big deal out of the so-called "scriptural name" treat it in the most "denominational" way.
we do a better job than most at majoring in the minors.
"Uniate Church"
Eastern Catholic Churches
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches
It’s sad to say that there is so much confusion with different Christian denominations.
Wow, did anyone else find the CoC justification against labels read in 1:26 downright hypocritical? They appeal to just calling themselves "Christian", yet the passage they cite is 1 Cor 1: 10, which goes on to explicitly condemn those who would use Christ's name to divide from other groups.
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or *“I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided?* Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Nowadays it just jumps out at me how often people try to lift themselves up because they label themselves after Jesus and how they aren't like those other groups whose names follow a different pattern.
I don't consider myself any brand of Christian, Baptist etc. I am just a Christian. The church I goto is the one i am currently attending.
Another name that Catholics have been called is Latins by the Orthodox
Which erases all the Catholic Churches that do not use the Latin Rite.
Ummmm There are actually 23 separate “rites” within the Catholic church, all in communion with the bishop of Rome. Latin is just one of them. 👍🏻
Fun fact about the Anglican Church in Japan: in Japanese we call it the 日本聖公会. 日本 (Nippon) means “Japan,” 聖 (sei) means “Holy,” and 公会 (koukai) literally means something like “public association.” If I understand it correctly, when you slap it all together it means “the Holy Catholic Church” a la the Apostle’s Creed
Yep, 聖(holy)なる公同(catholic or widespread)の教会(church)
@@reintaler6355 although I think the Catholic Church uses 普遍の教会 in their translation
@@pokeslob that's what I thought too, but Wiki says they went full katakana with におけるカトリック教会
@@reintaler6355 I guess I shouldn’t have said “I think” rather “I know,” lol I’ve been in Japan too long… My wife is Catholic and we go to mass every week, the apostles creed we say uses 普遍
@@pokeslob ah I see. Would love to visit the Churches in Japan one day and know more about the Christian history there overall
The funny thing about all these "Church of God" and "Churches of Christ" that exist because people want to use only a directly Biblical name is that of all the ways Ekklesia has been translated into English "Church" is about the worst. Congregation works better but the best is Assembly.
I'd would like to see you do a video about the World Wide Church of God in greater detail. Armstrong was a rather interesting character along with his son Garner Ted.
The name of my church is “the church Jesus founded, is wholly guided by the Holy Spirit since Pentecost, and lead by the apostles’ descendants.”
Most people though call us the “Roman Catholic Church” and haters call us “the whore of Babylon”
Haters?
Or simply people who read scripture?
Must admit I like Popeheeds as they’re referred to in some far north parts of U.K. translation pope heads.
Or bead rattlers
@@geordiewishart1683 like that one less controversial than my orange stuff
Churches suing Churches.... pretty sure that's unbiblical. The irony
Lutherans: Auf Deutsch die Evangelische Kirche. . . .
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Worldwide church of God changed its name to Grace communion international.
and changed about everything else too! I have a video about them coming out near the end of the year.
@@ReadyToHarvest Be very careful in your research on the Worldwide Church of God. There is a lot of miss information on them out there.
I have several English translations of the Bible but admit to using the King James most. Patly that's because it is the translation my parents used most when I was a boy and partly it is because it is in the public domain, i.e. I don't need to worry about copyright infringements when I quote it.
From the evidence I find in my Bible, it seems to me that the word, "church" can refer to all of the Christians in the world or it can refer to all of the Christians in or near a city, town or village.
I believe the church should be organized but, even as a boy in the '50s, I didn't think of any organization of the church as "the church".
In our society (United States) almost everyone who answers questions about his religion by saying he is Lutheran, methodist or baptist is understood by almost everyone else to mean that he is a member of a Lutheran, methodist or baptist congregation or organization but that his RELIGION is Christianity.
Perhaps that is unfortunate. Maybe the Christian cause would be better served if all Christians, when asked about our religion, would simply say we are Christians. In most cases, that would, of course, lead to additional questions. People would still like to know whether we subscribe to a particular emphasis (or emphases) among the many aspects of biblical truth. Perhaps it would be worth taking the extra time to answer both of those questions because the alternative is to give the impression that our denominational affiliation and our religion are entirely the same thing.
For me, at least, that has never been the case.
The king or queen of England holds the copyright to the KJV. The current copyright was set to expire very soon (if not already), but the Queen was going to renew the copyright. Its a common false assumption because international copyrights did not exist, but local or regional copyrights did exist. So the copyright is only for Britain. Not sure if that also applies to British Commonwealth nations. My own KJV says COPYRIGHT straight up in the foreword portion.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I guess that puts a whole new spin on the concept of "royalties".
Seriously though, has the crown collected royalties on the use of the King James translation anytime in the last hundred years?
@@rogermetzger7335 Not outside Britain as they legally could not. Inside Britain I don't know. There must be some reason The Crown has been keeping the copyright for 400 years, but I'm not aware what it might be.
In “The Six Wives of Henry VIII”, people keep referring to “pope Catholics”, to distinguish them from Us good Church of England Catholics.
Church of England isn’t Catholic
theres nothing catholic/universal about yall who are confined/centred around one ethnicity
Church of England. So Catholic that the head of the Church is a secular ruler of a single country
@@crossbearer6453
Yes it is.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 per your gathering
But it doesn’t make it fact.
LCMS of God 😂
Me, learning more about the different protestant denominations so I can prepare the pyre's burning time to be proportional to the amount and gravity of heresies they follow
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Again, pure arrogance. Luther began the Reformation with the 95 theses because the church in Rome was violating its own canon law. He did not separate but was removed by those in violation of law. Luther also got the RC church to get off its ass with the Council of Trent and address issues that had plagued the church for many years. Roman arrogance really upset my father from the days you would demand conversion on the part of a non Catholic partner in a marriage or demand that the children be raised catholic. Fortunately this has changed. Funny thing about my father, he hated all organized religion but would watch Bishop Fulton Sheen's tv program. Bishop Sheen could be more ecuminical which got him in trouble with his superiors. For example he used Protestant clergy to teach family counselling in his seminary in Rochester.
I'm definitely in agreement with Spurgeon and those who believe that being a Christian is first & foremost over what name one is called, but I also think the naming is good.
Not every church adheres to the teachings of Scriptures as well as others, with some being downright blasphemous groups.
Names matter as it can help in distinguishing fallen Churches from ones that are more likely to be alive in Christ.
If your interested in knowing this, in 1893, THE WORLD PARLIAMENT OF RELIGIONS, UNITED UNDER SOME SWAMI. Then, in 1948, THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES UNITED. This was the same time, that ISRAEL became a NATION. Meantime, we are all waiting for Israel to become a nation. This world is OUTSIDE THE GARDEN(EDEN). There is only ONE WAY back in. That WAY, is through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God(God himself, manifest in the flesh) The garden,(Eden), is Gods Holy Word( KJV) You see, God, TRANSLATED himself( brought himself forth) for his sheep. His word is ALIVE, because HE, is ALIVE. God bless ALL of Gods sheep.
Christians *can* meme
Lutheran Satire can also do satire pretty good. Its a RUclips channel.
Churches of God/ Churches of Christ
✅ don't like denominations
✅ form new denominations faster than any other Protestant tradition
I literally don't care if you call me a papist-romanist but people saying "Roman Catholic Church" bothers me for some reason - there is the Catholic Church made up of the Latin Church and Eastern Churches.
God does not dwell in temples made with hands. We,(Born again Christians,) are the temple of the living God. If 2 of us met on the street( in his name)thats church. DENOMINATIONS, ARE NOT "THE CHURCH".
I thought the Roman Catholic Church was called that party because there is more than one. For instance, there's the Ukrainian Catholic Church but as I understand it they are in full communion with one another.
The Catholic church is called “Catholic church” and it has 23 rites within it. Latin rite (roman for the negative connotation) being only one, Arminian, Coptic, Syriac,…
Well, as far as they're concerned, they're just The Church. As in no other church is The Church.
A lot of Protestants use "Roman" specifically to minimize their claim to be The Church.
@@fnjesusfreak The Roman Catholic Church calls itself the Roman Catholic Church.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I thought they took offense to people adding Roman?
@@fnjesusfreak
Maybe there's laypeople who think they're hardliners by not using "Roman", but here's what a diocese in my area calls itself: "Roman Catholic Diocese of Scranton".
Jesus did not set up a denomination. He set up a church. The church was born on the day of Pentecost in Acts the 2nd chapter.
The most, the most important thing to remember is the doctrine.
"And they continued stead fastly in the apostles doctrine..." Acts 2:42.
We must be born again. See John 3:1-8.
5:12 Wow. John the Baptist said; "He must increase, and I must decrease.".
You got it wrong Jimmy Armijo, it was Matthew 16 v 18 when Jesus, said to Simon, so I now say to you: you are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hades will not prevail against it, the Pentecost in acts is the Holy Spirit came upon them so that they would not be afraid of mortal men when proclaiming the gospel, before this the church was just the closest followers of the way
@@alexbernard8907 Totally correct!!!!
"Roman Catholic" can only really apply to the Latin Church tbh. There's a lot of different Christians with their own traditions and (compatible) theology and spirituality with within the Catholic Church, but we're all in communion and have the Pope as the pontiff. The Pope has direct authority over all the churches, but usually his role will differ in the Eastern churches and be less involved unless invoked by the Bishops of that church.
There are 22 other rites in the catholic church in communion with the bishop of Rome that would disagree with this.
Kay then, guess if I ever found a church, I’ll name it “Catholic Evangelical Baptist Church of the Living God”. It’s a mouthful, ain’t it.
That’s what they do in African American sitcoms. 😆 When I was 7, I was interested in learning about denominations, and I made up a church: the first Baptist Methodist Apostolic Church of the Living God in Christ… or something to that effect. I thought the more denominations a church had in its name made it more important, I guess.
Nowadays, my question is how do you have a church that is both Baptist and Church of Christ? I have seen several churches in my area with this joint affiliation, and it confuses me. I prefer instruments (I play clarinet).
Jesus started Catholic church in 33ad.
@@johnyang1420 Catholic is not in the Bible. You’ve been deceived.
@@claryp1509 Well neither is "bible" or "trinity" is in the bible, What's your point?
@@essafats5728 why are you so rude? You can claim the name of Jesus but be rude to others on the internet?
Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven.”
-the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 7 : 21)
7:07
Catholic discussion starts here
If we’re honest, there is no perfect church, and it doesn’t matter what you call yourself. When you boil it down, all that matters is “Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?” and “Have you received him as your personal Saviour, and thus been washed from all your sins by faith in his shed blood on the cross of Calvary?”
“ And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God” - Romans 3:23-25
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” - John 1:12-13
But there is a perfect Church.
The Catholic Church.
The Church that Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself established.
Every Christian denomination has been established by human being, whereas the one true Church was given to us by God.
@@alhilford2345 If the Roman Catholic church were the true church, then it would teach what the Bible says instead of overriding Biblical teachings with its own traditions and words of sinful men (popes, priests, etc.)
The heretics splitting more and more
Yup!!! Many in private homes and shopping centers!!! Many times pastor is dating half the women in congregation!!!
As a Catholic, I'm more than happy to just call it "the Church" since the implication is that by that name we could only be referring to the Church Jesus founded
Well that's what we originally were, just "the Church" until the reformation when Catholic was used to differentiate between other denominations
@@Adam-fj9px Tell it to the Eastern Orthodox.
Amen
Which you believe yourselves to be, since your regard the Church catholic as a hierarchy rather than the sum total of Christ's flock. But it's apt to be confusing to other members of the Church Jesus founded.
@@RobertEWaters Eastern Catholic Church, at least they have apostolic sucession, something that protestants will never have
Should I be a Pachamama Roman Catholic, or a Trad Roman Catholic, and which one is a heretic and which one is not?
both are heretics, become Orthodox
very clever, this is the first time I've ever seen a protestant say that 😒
@@Qwerty-jy9mj I guess you're the Eye-roller Catholic:
✔️ Condescending are arrogant
✔️ Unable to answer simple questions, just like favorite apologist
✔️Speaks like a lawyer, brings no clarity to any situation
✔️ Universally disliked
A lot of Catholics today are sede or some form of not pro Francis (or whatever current pope) - some didn’t even like JPII
@@RussianBot4Christ
try making good questions, then get suitable answers
Only Protestant churches have denominations. The Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ in 33AD, called "Catholic" or "Universal" in 107AD in a letter written by St. Ignatius of Antioch. Martin Luther came along 1500 years later....The End.
Church of God is confusing lol
"Are you Catholic?"
"No, I'm Christian."
😑
"Are you a Catholic or Protestant?"
"Why yes, I'm Catholic and Protestant!"
Catholics are Christians!!!!
There's a true Church and a false church and that causes schisms and that new defined terms created to separate the two ends up being polluted and split and the cycle continues.
I just personally state what I believe when in regards to certain parts of Theology. Eschatology: Premillennial Dispensational Pre tribber. Soteriology: Lordship Salvation Calvinist.