Hey Shaun, one recommendation for you and for others, rather than going entirely off tire temp readings (which is useful as well of course) a good idea for beginners is to just go ahead and make big changes on one area of the car and just see how it feels. If you like what it feels like and you go faster great, now try to make a change the complete opposite end of the spectrum. The only way to really learn handling tuning is to make huge jumps and then narrow it down from there based on the immediately obvious positive or negative feedback. Also as you probably saw you weren't getting your middle and outside temps to change, add a full degree more negative camber, you want an even temp spread across the tire, in Supercup they say about a 10-15 degree increments across the tire.
Yeah sorry I said that wrong, you're right the iRacing tire model has it's own characteristics but the goal is to get an even step of temp across the tire lowest outside to hottest inside in about 20-degree increments. At least that's what they look for on real life GT3 cup cars and what i would hope to shoot for in a sim as good as iRacing despite it's minor tire model faults here and there.
Great Video... Over inflation would cause the middle to read higher than both the outside and inside. Also have to be careful going to low on tire pressure as this causes additional heat buildup. I haven't determined the temp these tires work best at yet. With iRacing it seems that cooler is better (175 F vs 195 aF). Additionally the baseline camber is fairly high, which also affects the inside temp and wear. I had to reduce camber to improve the braking. Adjusting the toe-in on the front significantly improved turn in, eliminating the under steer. One neat thing is the lock up indicator on the steering. The lights on the right and left indicate which wheels are looking under heavy braking. You can adjust while on track to get the bias dialed in.
This is one of the best intro vids for setting up the cup car...to be honest once you do this you can just learn how to drive the car which takes a bit of time. Top notch 👍🏻
My first look into Setup. Wonderful good sense; thanks! *--ben* p.s. 4:12 _"Touchy under braking"_ ... I found 911 to be squirmy a number of times! Which is why this old dog grabbed it as a total n00b: to see what squirelly is all about. My entry into the mechanics of Setup for racing!
you have no idea how much i needed this. dropping temps to get outside tyre temps higher, like, how obvious is that and yet i still missed it completely. self learning tuning is not a good idea thanks
Love these beginner videos Shaun. Best part of your channel imo. Doing these really shows your love for sim racing and giving back to the community. 👍🏻
If there will come deeper guides about setup, im all up for it. I know nothing about setups, now at least i have some i can do on my own. :) Great video.
Great video! One other thing I would add is try just changing one thing at a time in the setup. That way you can really learn what each setting does to the car
Cheers Shaun, I just moved into one of these and setups confuse me. Just got into the iracing all the kids are on about, folding race seat a dk2 and a g29. Proper poor mans setup .The shifters crap so I ditched it, and the chair hurts my legs. On the positive the races are only 20 minutes long and I’m loving it.
Hey Shaun. The best thing in your case to go faster would be to place your shifter way more close to the wheel. This car has a paddle-shifter for real and it´s an advantage, but without ABS and no need for late trailbreak-shifting a sequential can do fine, but it must be very near. I reduced the wheel-distance from my HE sequential shifter from 6 to 3 inches today (even i have paddles), because the 6 inches are to much of a disadvantage already with DD-wheel and the 3 inches are at least more close to the modern Rallye-cars with this one-paddle-sequential-shifter making it even. And the nob of my CSS just for h-shifting is 5 inches away from the wheel. Watch old LMP- or F1-cars with h-shifter. They did it as well:)
Very well done. The 911s though a somewhat of a different feeling car, though I guess getting into weight transfer and rear spring rates and heavy front bias to take advantage of the engine being behind the rear axle is bit of an advanced topic. Though in this particular car you should be aiming to maximize you breaking (no trail breaking on 911s) corner entry and exit, the car will want to rotate mid corner a bit but this forces to slowly jump on the power earlier than you would on a mid engine or front engine car - and that is what 911s are about. Until Areo takes over.... Great job - thumbs up man.
Great video Shaun many thanks for making the effort. Just a point on racing that track, personally after the first turn I go further out to the right which then leads to a straighter line through the second... Sorry not wanting to teach you anything because I'm a long way from being a good driver. Just something that caught my eye. :). Always enjoy your videos. Cheers
thats great thanks - ive loved my sims but ive never really known more than the diff, aero and gear ratios before now. i never really got tyre pressure - nor realised how major it was!
Tyres was not overinflated,also when you took half of the fuel from the car its good to check ride hide again.also in iracing outer temps and wear dont look,just middle and inside
Awesome info Shaun! Thank you so much for your time and efforts! I have found the engineer in Pcars2 has been a big help for learning what to change. My wish is that the developers take the time to make sure that the default setups are a bit more competitive out of the box. I think if the default setups were a little more competitive out of the box with fewer changes needed for competent drivers it would just make better racing. And then really work on a crew chief/spotter coop mode for competitive and broadcast racing. The second player spots, dose a pit stop "puzzle" and makes settings changes and tire changes. Mouse clicking on lug nuts and key banging on the space bar. ;) Developers! I have a lot of ideas on where to go with Co/op crew chief in Sim Racing Titles! Contact me! And a proof of concept, don't go stealing my ideas ;) Or do and make Sim racing the top game purchases of 2018. Drivers and Crew Chiefs wanted! I mean it writes itself! Really be there for your favorite driver! Just saying! Rant over!
I don't get it. The temps on the end setup are still similar to the baseline, in terms of difference beween in and mid edges. Why does he say they are more stable?
The first thing u said contradicts what I have learned. Which is: u only increase tire pressure when BOTH outside tire edges are hotter and "wearer" than the middle. And u only decrease it when both outsides of the same tire are colder and less wear then the middle. Can some1 explain to me plz y he said and did that? Car setups to me is harder than rocket since.
Lol over inflated,also you're the only one I've ever seen who pays attention to temps,most people say not to pay any attention to temps but instead use wear as the means to tell what the tyre is doing.
It’s like learning a new language. I’m hooked
More of these, please!
I guess I am kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good place to stream newly released movies online?
As somebody who's only gotten into simracing in the past couple of months and knows next to nothing about how cars work, this was very easy to follow.
Hey Shaun, one recommendation for you and for others, rather than going entirely off tire temp readings (which is useful as well of course) a good idea for beginners is to just go ahead and make big changes on one area of the car and just see how it feels. If you like what it feels like and you go faster great, now try to make a change the complete opposite end of the spectrum. The only way to really learn handling tuning is to make huge jumps and then narrow it down from there based on the immediately obvious positive or negative feedback. Also as you probably saw you weren't getting your middle and outside temps to change, add a full degree more negative camber, you want an even temp spread across the tire, in Supercup they say about a 10-15 degree increments across the tire.
No matter what you do the mid and inside temps will be close and the outside will be a lot lower. Just how the shitty iracing tire model works.
Yeah sorry I said that wrong, you're right the iRacing tire model has it's own characteristics but the goal is to get an even step of temp across the tire lowest outside to hottest inside in about 20-degree increments. At least that's what they look for on real life GT3 cup cars and what i would hope to shoot for in a sim as good as iRacing despite it's minor tire model faults here and there.
they are not minor it's absolutely impossible to get these 20° increments
Great Video...
Over inflation would cause the middle to read higher than both the outside and inside. Also have to be careful going to low on tire pressure as this causes additional heat buildup. I haven't determined the temp these tires work best at yet. With iRacing it seems that cooler is better (175 F vs 195 aF). Additionally the baseline camber is fairly high, which also affects the inside temp and wear. I had to reduce camber to improve the braking. Adjusting the toe-in on the front significantly improved turn in, eliminating the under steer.
One neat thing is the lock up indicator on the steering. The lights on the right and left indicate which wheels are looking under heavy braking. You can adjust while on track to get the bias dialed in.
This is one of the best intro vids for setting up the cup car...to be honest once you do this you can just learn how to drive the car which takes a bit of time.
Top notch 👍🏻
My first look into Setup. Wonderful good sense; thanks!
*--ben*
p.s. 4:12 _"Touchy under braking"_ ... I found 911 to be squirmy a number of
times! Which is why this old dog grabbed it as a total n00b: to see what
squirelly is all about.
My entry into the mechanics of Setup for racing!
you have no idea how much i needed this.
dropping temps to get outside tyre temps higher, like, how obvious is that and yet i still missed it completely.
self learning tuning is not a good idea
thanks
Love these beginner videos Shaun. Best part of your channel imo. Doing these really shows your love for sim racing and giving back to the community. 👍🏻
If there will come deeper guides about setup, im all up for it. I know nothing about setups, now at least i have some i can do on my own. :) Great video.
Great video! One other thing I would add is try just changing one thing at a time in the setup. That way you can really learn what each setting does to the car
Nice video! Earned a sub. Simple and well explained.
Shaun we need more vids like this. Would love to see a mid-high end video too.
Cheers Shaun, I just moved into one of these and setups confuse me. Just got into the iracing all the kids are on about, folding race seat a dk2 and a g29. Proper poor mans setup .The shifters crap so I ditched it, and the chair hurts my legs. On the positive the races are only 20 minutes long and I’m loving it.
Thanks! This is great for people like me with zero knowledge on the subject. Pls do more.
Gr8 video shaun need more of these from you you explain it all in plain english .
Im in i racing always run the simpit logo support good guy
Hey Shaun. The best thing in your case to go faster would be to place your shifter way more close to the wheel. This car has a paddle-shifter for real and it´s an advantage, but without ABS and no need for late trailbreak-shifting a sequential can do fine, but it must be very near. I reduced the wheel-distance from my HE sequential shifter from 6 to 3 inches today (even i have paddles), because the 6 inches are to much of a disadvantage already with DD-wheel and the 3 inches are at least more close to the modern Rallye-cars with this one-paddle-sequential-shifter making it even. And the nob of my CSS just for h-shifting is 5 inches away from the wheel. Watch old LMP- or F1-cars with h-shifter. They did it as well:)
Part two please Shaun 😎
fantastic video. I've been waiting and hoping for a series like this.
Nice one mate, would love to see more set up videos like this!!
Very well done.
The 911s though a somewhat of a different feeling car, though I guess getting into weight transfer and rear spring rates and heavy front bias to take advantage of the engine being behind the rear axle is bit of an advanced topic. Though in this particular car you should be aiming to maximize you breaking (no trail breaking on 911s) corner entry and exit, the car will want to rotate mid corner a bit but this forces to slowly jump on the power earlier than you would on a mid engine or front engine car - and that is what 911s are about. Until Areo takes over....
Great job - thumbs up man.
great vid
please add-on with a medium and advanced setup!
Great video Shaun many thanks for making the effort. Just a point on racing that track, personally after the first turn I go further out to the right which then leads to a straighter line through the second... Sorry not wanting to teach you anything because I'm a long way from being a good driver. Just something that caught my eye. :). Always enjoy your videos. Cheers
take of the left side mirror! its not working and it's giving you drag :)
(it's a sim right?)
Great Job! Really enjoyed this segment it helped very much with understanding Thank you
thats great thanks - ive loved my sims but ive never really known more than the diff, aero and gear ratios before now. i never really got tyre pressure - nor realised how major it was!
Thanks so much for this video good information. Can't wait for the next one.
Tyres was not overinflated,also when you took half of the fuel from the car its good to check ride hide again.also in iracing outer temps and wear dont look,just middle and inside
...thank you Shaun for your good Tips.
very good instructions learning alot here
Awesome info Shaun! Thank you so much for your time and efforts! I have found the engineer in Pcars2 has been a big help for learning what to change. My wish is that the developers take the time to make sure that the default setups are a bit more competitive out of the box. I think if the default setups were a little more competitive out of the box with fewer changes needed for competent drivers it would just make better racing. And then really work on a crew chief/spotter coop mode for competitive and broadcast racing. The second player spots, dose a pit stop "puzzle" and makes settings changes and tire changes. Mouse clicking on lug nuts and key banging on the space bar. ;) Developers! I have a lot of ideas on where to go with Co/op crew chief in Sim Racing Titles! Contact me! And a proof of concept, don't go stealing my ideas ;) Or do and make Sim racing the top game purchases of 2018. Drivers and Crew Chiefs wanted! I mean it writes itself! Really be there for your favorite driver! Just saying! Rant over!
More of this! Really helped out a lot!
Yes great vid, basic stuf but always worth a look for tips
excatly i've. improved both consistency and speed thanks to tips and "tricks" found on this channel. Besides how can you not love Shaun?
great vid, very helpfull thanks Shaun (we need more vids like this)
Yes ... more of these videos please !!!
Such a great video, what size monitors ? Thanks
Very helpful, thanks Shaun
I don't get it. The temps on the end setup are still similar to the baseline, in terms of difference beween in and mid edges. Why does he say they are more stable?
Very informative --Thx Shaun
Great video! Thanks.
I see you’re using Leo Bodnar (Electronics) Ltd wheel are you using the 52 or the 53 motor
Great help love this video thanks.
With the Porsche all I do is take the rear wing out as it does stuff all & set the pressures.
So if my front tires a very low compared to my rears which are good. I should be increasing tire pressure accordingly?
The first thing u said contradicts what I have learned. Which is: u only increase tire pressure when BOTH outside tire edges are hotter and "wearer" than the middle. And u only decrease it when both outsides of the same tire are colder and less wear then the middle.
Can some1 explain to me plz y he said and did that? Car setups to me is harder than rocket since.
Good video. So let's refine this with springs, ARB, dampers, diff... Lets get this car tuned to the max, as far as you're concerned with this circuit.
Thank you for the effort!
How come when I try to lower my tire pressures, the lowest they go is 20.5 psi? Anything I’m missing?
I have the same issue.. I also don't know haha!
MoTec Telemetry Program helps me with my setups
Hi. Could you gives us the same tutorial with the version from Assetto Corsa? :D
Not much of a VR guy? I its more visceral an experience. I've dramatically improved since the change. Your take?
Thank You Very Much. Awesome
What wheel is that you're using?
Thanks for the video
cheers
What size screens are they
thx Shawn good info
Hov FOV you use ?
A little tight in certain spots isn't a bad thing my man ;-)
Lol over inflated,also you're the only one I've ever seen who pays attention to temps,most people say not to pay any attention to temps but instead use wear as the means to tell what the tyre is doing.
What is your wheel size?!!
If i went to 4 years of college, i would still Not be able to set up a car
Shaun these tire temps are absolutely meaningless. The tire wear is a little bit better but still lacks the precision to do any tunning.
Does anyone else see a peacock or emu hiding around his head?
so much talking about getting into the immersion of simracing and you don't have paddle shifters :)
Leonardo Ratafiá He is in a gt car. That's why he uses a sequential
the porsche 911 have paddle shifters
it's like: immersion, immersion, immersion, get a DD wheel, I'll shift gears how ever I want :) lol
Thank you very much, now it's easier than 911, thanks for your work. (I use a translator).