GPS Speedometer fitted and working. Bedford CA 1960 Van.
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Hi Trev. If you put a jubilee clip round the bezel, you can lever back the crimped edge gradually with a small screwdriver then reinstall it by rolling it back over. Check out old motorbike gauge rebuilds on RUclips.
Hi Trev saw the van heading out of town this morning looks great hope alls well
Great walk around on the local roads. It makes me want to come home . I left in 83 to California .
Please do more of this while we are in lockdown !
PS I grew up over in Dublin , but your area looks the same, thanks
Bryan
you truly blessed to live in such a beautiful place ...thank you for the tour
We've got family in Leckhampton and enjoy the quirky high street and particularly the Exmouth Arms when we venture over the hill from Evesham!
Thank so very much for showing us around very nice love your show Len from British Columbia Canada
Thanks for the look around at the beautiful scenery. I am glad the speedo worked for you. Beautiful job on the wiring. 👍👍👍
Thanks for showing us around town.
How many old cars lurking in those sheds and outbuildings. I'll have the Cooper S if you find one. Dad had the CA Van with windows down the side and a mattress in the back for us kids, yep that's what we thought!
Thanks for sharing ur walkabout and keeping us up to "speed" on the Bedford. Best to you and good health to you and yours Trev.
I enjoy watching your videos and learning from you, please keep up the good work, and thanks .
Sin duda este señor es el mejorrrrr...felicidades por sus videos y gracias por tanto enseñarnos....desde COLÓMBIA
Thanks for the stroll through your area I needed a change of scenery!
G'day Trev, regarding your speedo antenna, I recently had a satnav / stereo fitted to my car that has a similar antenna that was professionally fitted. They told me they attach the antenna to the metal framework behind the dash which makes the whole car the receiver. You won't need to make it visible through the windscreen. Loving your teachings. All the best!
Thanks for the virtual walk Trev! You live in a beautiful part of the world. Enjoyed your zooming by with speedometer in hand. Take care.
Thanks for the tour of your neighborhood. I am always curious about how other people live. I think that it would be great to experience life from other people’s perspective. Oh yeah, great video on the van. I am putting one in the Roadrunner I am building. Thanks again for the knowledge that you so unselfishly share and for letting me learn from the bumps on your head and not making me get my own bumps.
So happy you're driving a Fiat 500! The reason I started searching for body work videos and finding you channel is because I'm restoring a Fiat! I have a 500 Topolino 1954 being restored from almost original (back to original).
Most but not all native car speedos over read by about 10% for "safety reasons". Toyotas are notorious. Here in Australia where we use "proper" metric units it is more noticeable. Loved watching you "rrrrrrring" down the road in testing mode! 😀
Nice area (,those fields that's being built on "we" call divorse fields when they build bigger than they can afford )
speedo looks
good enough for the application scope
stay safe keep the distans
however
give your wife a hug
I intend to run a similar speedometer in my van. Glad to see it will work for you. Your walk at the end was nice. Kind of like walking past old man Peabody’s down in Hill Valley.
Great video Trev. Speedo is looking good, i knew you would find a way to get the job done, you always do ! Expertly !
Cheers, Jeff.
Thanks for the video, first class job you have done, does feel strange on hold ,survive this thing than we will be back, stay safe.
Great video, I think that speedo is a great idea, no finding a speedo drive, or fitting a pulse generator. So much time saving, and no worries about finding the right gear ratio tyre size.
Roads are like they used to be in the 50s empty.
Nice area you live in, fields, animals, real nice.
Good to see that the spedo works, and I was surprised that the sensor worked inside the roof of the van.
Stay safe.
you live in a beautiful part of the country Trev, thanks for sharing your walk...speedo's cool too lol
Nice to see some of your neighbourhood! Looks like a lovely part of the world, even if we are in the middle of the apocalypse :)
Enjoyed the look around, waaaay different from where I live here in South Florida.
Loved the tour at the end....Reminds me of New England here in the states
I have the same unit (in kph) on my fishing boat Trev. Its very good. Cheers, Andy
That was quite interesting about that GPS speedo, and thanks for the tour, I'm not religious but love old churches ,it looked awesome and I can understand your frustrations with space , I only have a single garage which I have put work benches in, but it's not conducive to work on a car. That large old abandoned shed would make for a wonderful work shop once it's been fixed up.
Wishing everyone to get through these strange times good luck to all
Very similar to the speedo in my cf2, its been great so far. re the aerial, I tied the wire of mine into a loop and left it ziptied behind the clock, never really had a problem with the signal. Nice work as usual Trev.
Trev, The dash looks the nuts, We are lucky living in a country side It must be hell living in a tower block, Cheers Dave
Awesome country side 👍🏾 those house's must of cost alot and are really big , like land around our city was nothing there for years, then they jammed as many property's as they can on them, as I was a house panter but am changing jobs when I can after this lockdown, cheers 👍🏾👍🏾
Very much enjoyed the video Trev, especially the little tour of the neighbo(u)rhood. Interesting how little traffic there is due to the current situation where you are. I'm in upstate NY and at least where I live, traffic levels don't seem all that much different than normal
Another interesting video trev, Its nice to hear the birds singing as I too live in a rural area and work in it too. Many years ago they hung people in the area where I work!!! Sprits have been seen on the workshop cctv cameras very spooky!!!! Keep safe....
Another great vid, Trev. You sure live in a beautiful spot, although I question the wisdom of allowing potentially thousands of innernut folks to know where that is.
I mounted exactly the same speedo in my Bedford CF after changing the engine. Mine does not find the sattelites as fast as your's. Sometimes it does not start at all. I put the sensor on top of the roof, that improved it a bit.
Peace Trev.
I thought you were from Cheltenham , your accent is the same as mine, I live in Cornwall now but have fond memories of the area I grew up in , Cleeve Hill , Leckhampton Hill , Devils chimney , lovely area.
Very interesting episode Trev. Stay well, both you, love, Risto
Dash looks mint Trev.. The missus's Mokka speedo reads 5mph faster at 50mph than the sat nav.. Be safe fella, cheers..
Trev , under the roof is a bad spot for the GPS antenna. 1500 MHz radio waves won't penetrate steel. But they will go through glass. Likely you will get a stronger signal just inside the windscreen/windshield. That's the theory. If in practice the signal is strong enough to be reliable, it can go anywhere.
Hi Trev, You really should have a rev counter, If the gps goes down you can use the rev counter to drive by until your speedo returns.
Great idea. My plans are to recalibrate the mechanical speedo and refit it then mount the electronic speed sensor to the drive flange on the rear axle. Cheers Trev 👍
Ripper job Trev
Nice video Trev, take er easy, cheers, Doug
That,s optimistic the one i drove if i mind right didnt even have either 80 or 90 i just can,t mind , the OPEL dealership had one for going to get parts, we all used it.
Unfortunately GPS speedo don't comply with ADR (Australian Design Rules) here in OZ, Love your work Trev. Billy J. OZ Land.
Amazing work that you do !!!!!!
Top job 😎
Beautiful!
this car beats any other car traveling at 40 mph :-D
The Shurdington road, not for from me! I'm also a Panel beater, had no idea you were so close.
Isn't the ammeter needle orange too? The GPS antenna I think needs to be outside or behind the glass to work. Its receiving a radio signal from the GPS satellites.
The speedometer in the van requires a specific size tire (O.D.). Did you change the size. Doesn't take much. Finding the old tire sizes that were used here in the states back in the early 60's can get expensive. I think most speedometers are built to error optimistically. Gorgeous landscape and I sense many tax dollars being claimed by the local government. Thanks for the tour. Stay safe.
Nice contend at the end
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I always understood car speedos were "optomistic" to sell cars and to keep you safe from being caught
Steve...Blatantly copied of G@@gle but here are the current standards as per E.U. 'norms' (that still apply to us..). (European law (ECE-R39) says speedometers cannot show speeds less than the actual speed, and they must never show more than the 110 per cent of actual speedplus 4 km/h. So, under those rules, a car could be moving at 100 km/h, but the speedometer could legally display as high as 114 km/h.) Older speedometers would obviously be less accurate but would normally be showing a higher speed. Modern GPS/Satnav are highly accurate but you would be taking chance if you were solely using one for speed monitoring on the public highway...as 'The Law' doesn't recognise 'Military Grade'(albeit slightly downgraded) speed/navigation aids...
My dirtbikes reading 160kph at around 50mph. The downside of different tyres and gearing. It does look impressive tho to be flying down a trail @100+
My 1951 Bedford truck is as accurate as any I have compared with GPS. !
Our Seat Lion was almost exactly 10% fast.
Trev...I see you did a microscopic edit on the opening. I was waiting for that. Good job. Ask me if you don't follow what I'm referring to.
imagine a bedford flying by at 160
No comment on the GPS speedo debate, but I looked into speedo accuracy a while ago for a similar project, and this is the research I did. With regards to the legally required accuracy of UK speedos, you can read the full legislation here for new cars: www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/717/schedule/5/part/2/crossheading/1#text%3D%226.25%20mph%22 (scroll down to section 17). The summary of it is, the speedo must not under read by law. It can over read by 10% + 6.25 MPH maximum. So if you were doing 40 MPH, the speedo can legally read anything between 40 and 50(.25) MPH, but it must not read less than 40 MPH or more than 50(.25) MPH. The margin of error is to allow for general inaccuracies in the system, but also to take into account the wear of your tyres. Tread depth can vary by ~4mm (e.g. 6mm new, to 1.6mm legal minimum) which for an example tyre of 205/50/15 changes the circumference from 3076mm when new down to 3048mm when at the legal minimum. This is a difference in circumference of 28mm, or about 9%. Obviously a smaller circumference would rotate more times to cover the same distance a larger circumference wheel would, so the smaller circumference would cause the speedo to read a higher value by 9%. This is where most of the margin for error in the law comes from - taking tyre wear into account. The +6.25 MPH is most likely to cover manufacturing tolerances.
Great solutions Trev. Please tell me you are not going to keep those 2 x cheese head screws on the dash. A pair of stainless steel button head cap screws would look way better there.
You’d be going some if you could find somewhere in the UK without GPS coverage! I suppose you could add a Glonass receiver.
I’m sure car Speedo’s used to be rated at + or - 5% accurate Trev. Different size wheel and tyre options making a difference against a standard spec car too as you’d expect. I like the GPS types and have one on my motorbike. Enjoyed your benchmark testing 👍
Used to be, but now eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:42018X1857&from=EN , and you will see that the speedometer must show to much compared to the real vehicle speed.
that intro XD you have new seub here mate :D
It is the law that auto makers must have their speedometers read faster than the actual speed traveling. Some auto makers are as low as 10% below.
Cars used to read 10% over, but that seems to have changed.
The only law, as far as I know, is that speedometers can't under read, but I don't know if that applies to the driver or the manufacturer.
A good way to check your speedo, apart from the radar signs, is to follow a HGV on the motorway. Their speedos have to be accurate, and they'll be doing 56, unless there's a sticker on the back stating otherwise.
The GPS will be more accurate than the car speedo - these are regularly out by anything up to 10%. Won't be as quick to respond to changes in speed probably, and won't work so well in tunnels for sure!
Hello trev. Wanted to ask you if you have ever worked on any Alvis cars? It's been a while since I have been able to watch any videos. E-commerce is crazy lately.Trying to catch up.im sure I would have to stretch the frame to get in one.im 6'4" haha.
Yes you can remove the bezzle. an Australian youtube bloke restoring Hondas shows how. I've done it ! :)
Trev, did you check lockwoods web site ? Since they are there in the UK, they seem to have a nice selection of gauges and parts.
Great speedo Trev even though its from China looks good in there.
Because traditionally car speedos are mechanical and accuracy affected by car tyre tread, pressure and size, manufacturers usually play on the safe side and engineer any small but potential inaccuracy to read high rather than low.
The gps is likely spot on, with the cars over reading slightly.
It was me that was worried about gps speedo during MOT time.
Is your Zetec Bedford MOT exempt?
I know rules regarding engine swapped classics are not black and white.
All the derelict and abandoned buildings, They were somebody’s dream and then they got smacked with life. 😳😔
YOU LIVE IN A NICE AREA FOR A BODY MAN HOW SWEET IT IS
You can buy an 80mph version, I have one but cant as yet get the odometer miles to clock up.
It sounds like yours is possibly faulty? The only issue I have with mine is the start up. If I leave the van parked with the ignition on for two minutes everything is fine but if I drive off immediately then it sometimes struggles to fine the signal. Cheers Trev 👍
Trevor could you put a inline resistor and tune the stepper motorin and calibrate it Great video 👍
What would you calibrate it against ?
My understanding is that GPS is probably the more accurate.
Ahhh it's so weird being from the states and seeing the road from the wrong side of the car and the wrong side of the street or the opposite side guess theres no right or wrong just backwards
Hi great video 👍. Do you have the wiring diagram for speedo please, I have lost mine.
This eBay listing shows the wiring diagram in the pictures of the product www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223952150739?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OiWUwjlbTo2&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=k0tFisyASbi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
If your satnav works, why should the speedo fail? More to the point though, how could you persuade me that the mileage recorded on the speedo was accurate if you cannot guarantee that it stays connected permanently? Sounds a bit Arfur Daley to me!
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Allowed out but on a leash.
Please note that GPS speedo's are not approved for vehicle use in EU and by current extension UK, they must be driven by the vehicle mechanicals, whether that is a direct drive by cable or by the vehicles electrical system with sensors at the wheels, gearbox or final drive. This is confirmed by the IVA test regulations that details all the relevant vehicle requirements. If the mods to your vehicle dictate that you submit for a BIVA then your speedo will be checked. If you are exempt from the IVA then your only risk will come from a VOSA vehicle inspection, either roadside or as the result of an incident. MOT stations do not have the capability to test speedos, other than they function. If you don't need an IVA then I assume that the vehicle is also age exempt from an MOT?
The Govt website on the regulations for IVA are very useful in that they give the precise tolerance for speedo readings, which broadly is +0/-10% i.e at a true 50mph the speedo must read between 45mph and 50mph. You may fall back on the original non-EU Construction and Use Regs that were in force when the van was built, which was + or - 5% i.e 47.5-52.5mph at a true 50mph
What is the brand you used to install the speedometer in the 1960 van? We want to purchase the exact one? Did you say you got it on Amazon?
No brand as such. Put a search in on eBay for 85mm gps speedometer. There are plenty to choose from. Cheers Trev 👍
That red backlight and the LCD would be totally unacceptable in my classic, having said that i am struggeling to get my original speedo anywhere near accurate with a mismatched gearbox.
so the question is, looks or accuracy? mmmm.
Fyi they make speedometer adaptors, gear drive, that attach to your cable output on your transmission then your cable attaches to that. What it does is increase or decrease the speed of the speedometer cable. I have one that when I switched my tires from street to drag I added my adaptor to keep my speedometer showing the correct speed. That's from the 1970's when I use to travel to street drag race. My cheater slicks that were street legal were a couple of inches taller than my daily street tires.
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Hi Trev, another enjoyable vid. You must be doing something right because you attract a lot of advertising, about five sets this time. Mostly, I just grit my teeth and sit through them but one was smack in the middle of the outro! No way I could tolerate that, so I had to hit “skip ad”, sorry bout that but Norma Rockwell should be enjoyed whole.
I'm using GPS speedometer in my 1948 f 5 , not perfect but good enough.
Surprised it's in MPH and no KPH?
i wanted to do something like this in my zastava when time comes for interior original speedo is just bad
But how will you be able to tell your speed during the zombie apocalypse?
So you need to consider the speed error of the other gauges. A 10% error is allowed
The speedo looked nice, until I realised that the small divisions in it's scale do not correspond every 5 mph, but every 4 mph! It's probably just me, but I would find that incredibly annoying.
I believe European regulation ECE R39 is responsible for how close to the true speed OEM speedos are allowed to display. They have to under-read, partly to be certain that you are not going faster than you think you are, but mainly to account for tyre wear (a speedo driven from the power train will read slower with new tyres than it will with worn out ones, due to the reduction in rolling radius due to the wear).
What town are you living in?
Since a very long time ago, the British government made it illegal to sell a vehicle with a speedo that under-reads, so every manufacturer (to be on the safe side) makes their cars with a speedo that over-reads. That's why the KA and the 500's speedo are inacurate. Your chinese speedo, and TomTom are not covered by the British construction and use regulations, and were very close to each other. Best place for the antenna is either top of the windscreen (behind the mirror) or on top of the dash. :-)
You need to talk to the property owners and maybe you can get some space for a very good deal
How long for this project?
Peer Plaut around 35 years. Cheers Trev 👍
How’s that going to work in a tunnel?
Poorly :D
my satnav is usuall 2mph lower than my dash speedo
I bought one of these exactly like yours a year ago. It worked badly for a while then packed up. I bought another and it doesn't work at all. So pissed off. It looks nice but so far I've just wasted £100. 🤥🤥🤥 any tips??
the seller hasn't got back. Negative feedback.
If the speedo doesn’t work at all, is it totally dead with no counter working etc?
@@trevsblog it was powering up but the needle wasn't moving. However, I faffed with it this am by relocating the sensor to the top of the topbox for an unhindered view of the sky. Its ok-ish now but not 100%. Fortunately its on my Sunday bike. No reliable speedo on your every day wud be crap in todays world.
@@tombartram6842 apparently a 45 degree angled skywards is the optimum angle for consistency. My own can be slow to pick up the signal but once it’s going seems to be fine.
@@trevsblog 45 degrees? That doesn't make sense as obviously it's going be constantly changing direction as u ride round and looking at a different part of the sky. I ve mine flat. It doesn't work well but tbh fair looks really good. Much better than the OE lcd gadget.
@@tombartram6842 well nothing much about it makes sense to me but that’s how people recommended I fit it and it works on the whole 👍
May sweep a little quicker on 12v