It bugs me to all hell that this is another story which just doesn't really make sense in the timeline or make the character's actions make sense. Deathwing acting so openly, shadowflame monsters being seen and fought by Malygos' mate, etc. And if they get questioned about it I feel like Blizzard would just say "well this is the story through Eadweard's pov" rather than make it make sense.
The dragon lore really feels like its become "oh you remember this cool thing dragons had back in wrath? Well its not the original, just nobody spoke about it. And that's also not even the original because it was done millenia before the Dragon Isle, and nobody knew
I hope they use this in the rest of the world, and use it to tell stories that are in lore and in books. Great way to get a deep dive into lore as a noob, and for Nobbel to make awesome lore videos.
@@laertesindeed Sindragosa was not a recently dead creature though and more of just the collection of Sindragosas bones, at the time when the Lich king resurrected her, so it stands to reason that a lot of her memory is gone.
@@Mahons Completely false. You must have never done ICC as progression raiding....where Sindragosa the frost wyrm clearly and vividly and expertly remembers everything about her arcane magical powers. Much to the pain of my fellow raiding partners that constantly died to them. Same as Thoras Trollbane who was dead many many years ago and resurrected in the death knight campaign with all his memories.
i feel the right word is "lackluster" rather than "strange" All the time they try to use old Big Names for make it sound serious buisness... But result is like Blizz using holefiller for create a wall, wich end unstable unrefined but there...
@@Nobbel87 Im noticing a trend of people flocking and just being negative on your videos, just feels so like people wanna force there views on you for validation when you are just cruising and taking the lows and highs of what you like or not
@@Crocthunder between the retcons, the betrayal of cronicles and the recent loresrely not help people that love the Warcraft universe. We know wow is the main content of the channel and we got videos during the lowest of lows (the video of "you're the chosen one" during shadowland). People is mostly negative toward wow, so ofc people can wonder if he's getting sick or not of this sub par story and cheap hole filler like this one.
The two dragon heads seems to have a similar design as the Flayedwing mobs (and mounts) from Shadowlands. One head with straight-ish horns and the other one with curled ones.
Which are in turn based on the rylaks from Warlords of Draenor. There are two-headed "dragons" on Azeroth in the form of chimaeras - but this is just meant to be an unrelated, big two-headed dragon.
Well, this implementation kept my attention for about 10 minutes, I guess Delves is not going to be for me. 😅 Good thing we have lore youtubers to catch us up on lore we're missing :p
Even as a lore nut and a fan of transmogs myself, I just couldn't bother with the Azerothian Archives grind. I'm having more fun leveling alts for the War Within.
Hey Nobbel. did Blizzard ever explained how Raz and her siblings got their powers? Did i miss something or did they just drop them into the game and said "hey, these are old friends of the aspect before the titans and they refused titans powers" ?
@Atreyu71 We don't even have any lore that says they refused titan powers. They've expressed angst about Titans the same as other villains who don't know the facts complain about Titans, so they don't qualify as objective narrators at all. Put in other words, we don't know that they were ever offered titan powers. But the irony is..... throughout the "ENTIRE" expansion on every square inch of the entire dragon isles......we never meet any primal dragon or protodragon with any sentience, none of them have more intelligence than a crocolisk or a hamster. Therefore, it is impossible with the current writing to ever conceive of "the other side" when it comes to any dragon war. There isn't any other side.... just the 4 evil yogg-saron dragons, and that's it.
@@laertesindeed We do meet Vyranoth's cohorts and some enemy primal dragons who speak. The lore is, sadly, getting largely retconned to proto-dragons always having been intelligent.
@@mokarokas-1727 No, never. What we see them do in the level-up quest chains from launch until the vault raid is existing dragons who were descended from the Aspects and left behind on the isles while the aspects were away got disgruntled or felt bitter about it.....and had their insecurities and mental problems used against them to recruit them into the cults of the primalists. For example Eranog was a drakonid from the red flight before his betrayal. For the primal dragons on the isles that were never descended from the aspects......as I said, not a one of them had sentience and so they were basically big animals with no more intelligence than a crocolisk or a hamster. No matter what happens in non-canon books outside the game..... they didn't do any of the necessary writing or world building inside the game on the actual Isles to demonstrate any primal dragon being capable of existing on the other side.
@@laertesindeed What do you mean, "never"? I literally just gave you examples that we do; some of them do speak. Not that it matters much, since we meet plenty of "modern" dragons who don't speak to us either. The new books are also very much canon, even if you and I don't like them. That's what retcons are: changes to the canon.
Making a two headed dragon whould be to test the "can i make a dragon with more then one head" theory. Sins starting with 5 heads is overkill and to much resources and time and so much more. So yeah start with two to see if it works or even CAN work.
I really hope the digs in The War Within will be more fun than these. They're trying something very brave by giving open-world content a place in the vault, and i really hope it goes well
I got bored of it. After multiple weekly quest redos it just started repeating the same part over and over about how sindragosa was there and dudnt progress beyond that.
Yeah no shit. A lot of people should have known about the drekthir. Dragon isles isn't nearly big enough to hide an entire race and they were made pre super insane deathwing. But they didn't exist until blizzard didn't have any good ideas for another furry jerkoff session
Everytime i do algethar's and they talk about lish rath or whatever sport it is I think how ridiculous it was for the "hidden" dracthyr to be playing quidditch in sight of the capital.
How could you POSSIBLY try to comment on skin color in a fantasy game? It’s the alternate form of a DRAGON!! And in her case it’s a black human and black humans have been in the game from launch. Dragons can be any race they want (it’s a bit more complicated in lore) but for example Kaligos has blue hair. So if your kidding I apologize for the joke going over my head. And if your serious then shut up a$$hat. Also, they don’t have they/themselves that I know of but Mathias Shaw is now in a romantic relationship with Flynn. So that’s another thing for you to get mad about.
Dont have to say things specifically, whether youre purposely implying it or saying it, your words shows your true color whether you acknowledge it or not.
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It bugs me to all hell that this is another story which just doesn't really make sense in the timeline or make the character's actions make sense. Deathwing acting so openly, shadowflame monsters being seen and fought by Malygos' mate, etc.
And if they get questioned about it I feel like Blizzard would just say "well this is the story through Eadweard's pov" rather than make it make sense.
I like that they skipped the entire storyline of them trying to get their powers back. Or, rather, they act like they never lost them to begin with.
The dragon lore really feels like its become "oh you remember this cool thing dragons had back in wrath? Well its not the original, just nobody spoke about it. And that's also not even the original because it was done millenia before the Dragon Isle, and nobody knew
So many missed opportunities with dragons in Dragonflight.
I hope they use this in the rest of the world, and use it to tell stories that are in lore and in books. Great way to get a deep dive into lore as a noob, and for Nobbel to make awesome lore videos.
So…. Sindragosa knew everything? And diden’t say any of to the others…
The even more egregious part is....... "if" Sindragosa knew that, then the Lich King should have gained that knowledge when he raised her as undead.
@@laertesindeed Sindragosa was not a recently dead creature though and more of just the collection of Sindragosas bones, at the time when the Lich king resurrected her, so it stands to reason that a lot of her memory is gone.
@Mahons Shadowlands ruins that logic tho because we see characters keep their memories in Slands despite being dead for ages.
@@RealJuiceWrld Except it doesn't since that is the souls whereas what we were fighting in Wrath was just the bones aka the body not the soul
@@Mahons Completely false. You must have never done ICC as progression raiding....where Sindragosa the frost wyrm clearly and vividly and expertly remembers everything about her arcane magical powers. Much to the pain of my fellow raiding partners that constantly died to them. Same as Thoras Trollbane who was dead many many years ago and resurrected in the death knight campaign with all his memories.
The lore of the last few expansions has been...strange at best.
Just think of the story going as Legion then War Within next. Pretend BFA SL DF just didn't even happen
@@XxHrallundeadrogueXx What diden’t happen? 🤔
i feel the right word is "lackluster" rather than "strange"
All the time they try to use old Big Names for make it sound serious buisness... But result is like Blizz using holefiller for create a wall, wich end unstable unrefined but there...
@XxHrallundeadrogueXx ah so what I do with Star Wars episode 7, 8 & 9 then.
How dull or strange is the Lore, if the Lore Guy gets bored of it? x-D
More like the event is too brief and un-engaging. Even on a set schedule, it's tedious.
This right here, found the lore interesting enough to make a vid about afterall@@ransac16
As a lore nerd, it's painful. The narrative is kinda... lackluster at times.
@@Nobbel87 Im noticing a trend of people flocking and just being negative on your videos, just feels so like people wanna force there views on you for validation when you are just cruising and taking the lows and highs of what you like or not
@@Crocthunder between the retcons, the betrayal of cronicles and the recent loresrely not help people that love the Warcraft universe.
We know wow is the main content of the channel and we got videos during the lowest of lows (the video of "you're the chosen one" during shadowland).
People is mostly negative toward wow, so ofc people can wonder if he's getting sick or not of this sub par story and cheap hole filler like this one.
Find chromatus so cool! Would like to see a visage form/forms for him/them, maybe projected outside of the prison plotting and scheming.
That skeleton is more like a chimaera
The two dragon heads seems to have a similar design as the Flayedwing mobs (and mounts) from Shadowlands. One head with straight-ish horns and the other one with curled ones.
Which are in turn based on the rylaks from Warlords of Draenor. There are two-headed "dragons" on Azeroth in the form of chimaeras - but this is just meant to be an unrelated, big two-headed dragon.
They're just reusing models to save on resources and dev time
Rylaks from WoD
Well, this implementation kept my attention for about 10 minutes, I guess Delves is not going to be for me. 😅
Good thing we have lore youtubers to catch us up on lore we're missing :p
14:17 Probably a book on how to make horcrux's.
Horcruxes. It's plural, not possessive.
Even as a lore nut and a fan of transmogs myself, I just couldn't bother with the Azerothian Archives grind. I'm having more fun leveling alts for the War Within.
This was delivered so badly in the game.
Hey Nobbel. did Blizzard ever explained how Raz and her siblings got their powers? Did i miss something or did they just drop them into the game and said "hey, these are old friends of the aspect before the titans and they refused titans powers" ?
War of the scaleborn gave us that fyrak found it and that its a deadly ritual to go through. Details of what, how, why are sadly not given.
@Atreyu71 We don't even have any lore that says they refused titan powers. They've expressed angst about Titans the same as other villains who don't know the facts complain about Titans, so they don't qualify as objective narrators at all. Put in other words, we don't know that they were ever offered titan powers. But the irony is..... throughout the "ENTIRE" expansion on every square inch of the entire dragon isles......we never meet any primal dragon or protodragon with any sentience, none of them have more intelligence than a crocolisk or a hamster. Therefore, it is impossible with the current writing to ever conceive of "the other side" when it comes to any dragon war. There isn't any other side.... just the 4 evil yogg-saron dragons, and that's it.
@@laertesindeed We do meet Vyranoth's cohorts and some enemy primal dragons who speak. The lore is, sadly, getting largely retconned to proto-dragons always having been intelligent.
@@mokarokas-1727 No, never. What we see them do in the level-up quest chains from launch until the vault raid is existing dragons who were descended from the Aspects and left behind on the isles while the aspects were away got disgruntled or felt bitter about it.....and had their insecurities and mental problems used against them to recruit them into the cults of the primalists. For example Eranog was a drakonid from the red flight before his betrayal. For the primal dragons on the isles that were never descended from the aspects......as I said, not a one of them had sentience and so they were basically big animals with no more intelligence than a crocolisk or a hamster. No matter what happens in non-canon books outside the game..... they didn't do any of the necessary writing or world building inside the game on the actual Isles to demonstrate any primal dragon being capable of existing on the other side.
@@laertesindeed What do you mean, "never"? I literally just gave you examples that we do; some of them do speak. Not that it matters much, since we meet plenty of "modern" dragons who don't speak to us either. The new books are also very much canon, even if you and I don't like them. That's what retcons are: changes to the canon.
If they can stick together some draenai and call it a mount for sure any model can be made, even if it has 5 heads xd
Making a two headed dragon whould be to test the "can i make a dragon with more then one head" theory. Sins starting with 5 heads is overkill and to much resources and time and so much more. So yeah start with two to see if it works or even CAN work.
Keep up the good work, Lorewalker Nobbel.
Yeah that story made no sense, really not a fan of the kind of telling Blizz tried out here
Wonderful video by the way! I cant way for the next expansion where you can cover Metzen's storylines once again!
I really hope the digs in The War Within will be more fun than these. They're trying something very brave by giving open-world content a place in the vault, and i really hope it goes well
Sylvanas killed hope all the way back at the start of BFA, don't hope for anything man
Digs? Like clothing?
I got bored of it. After multiple weekly quest redos it just started repeating the same part over and over about how sindragosa was there and dudnt progress beyond that.
Sindragosa is so mommy
I really wanted to see Chromatus in-game.
Yeah this sort of nonsense is why all the dragons deserve every bad thing that's happened to them.
Hellooo everyone!
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Yeah no shit. A lot of people should have known about the drekthir. Dragon isles isn't nearly big enough to hide an entire race and they were made pre super insane deathwing. But they didn't exist until blizzard didn't have any good ideas for another furry jerkoff session
Everytime i do algethar's and they talk about lish rath or whatever sport it is I think how ridiculous it was for the "hidden" dracthyr to be playing quidditch in sight of the capital.
The lore was interesting.
The way it was told was boring.
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black sindragosa? rofl is there they/thems in world of diversitycraft?
How could you POSSIBLY try to comment on skin color in a fantasy game? It’s the alternate form of a DRAGON!! And in her case it’s a black human and black humans have been in the game from launch. Dragons can be any race they want (it’s a bit more complicated in lore) but for example Kaligos has blue hair. So if your kidding I apologize for the joke going over my head. And if your serious then shut up a$$hat.
Also, they don’t have they/themselves that I know of but Mathias Shaw is now in a romantic relationship with Flynn. So that’s another thing for you to get mad about.
Is there anything wrong or nonsensical about this, except you personally disliking people with dark skin?
When did i say i disliked?
Dont have to say things specifically, whether youre purposely implying it or saying it, your words shows your true color whether you acknowledge it or not.
@@LinkLich When you laughed them existing off as ridiculous in and of themselves.