On topic of Lyney's "garter belt", I am unfamiliar with the english terminology in this area but looking up "punk garter" revealed a lot of pictures of what looks quite like what he wears and these things often are just leather straps with no clips or any other means to hold onto anything. So I assume even Lyney's straps are meant to be just decorative.
Huh yeah that's interesting! Those still look like they're not supposed to hang loose like that, but at least non-functional ones are actually a legitimate thing! 😅
ALSO we were robbed of Lyney being a cat boy with actual real cat ears like his sister Lynette. It's such an unfair thing,bc look at how many cat girls we have.
that's what im saying!!! they rly didn't need to nerf his ability to serve like that. (not to mention like- "twins?" eh?) I get it's like a magical trait so logic doesn't fully apply but still >:T
@@zacki102 The story mentions that Lyney didn't get the genes for the cat trait (I forgot what its called scientifically), and also male female twins are less likely to be similar compared to twins of the same gender.
@@deductionsdiary105 It's called a recessive trait. It's like when a family who has a history of brown hair on both sides for a few generations suddenly has a baby with blond or red hair. It's quite common actually.
The irony of Koreans being mad at a femboy design doesn't escape me. That said my fav Leney team is the overload team with Chevy, Xianglin and Yae. Especially on single boss enemies. It frees up bennet for my other teams like national and Xiangyun plunge
it's not really irony, they have a huge incel community that is so much worse than what we know in the west and yes they absolutely hate kpop groups and kdramas with effeminate men etc too
The whole "waifu" thing is weird enough at the best of times, but when people react like that it's SO beyond weird. Even worse is the whole thing about that new gacha which announced they would not have male playable characters at all.... just wtf. It's perfectly valid to get attached to characters, but some of it is several levels too far 😅
True, I’m a bit sad that Azur Promilia won’t have any male characters. There were leaks about one and players went absolutely crazy by review bombing the game until the devs clarified that there will only be females 🥲 Now they’re mad that an npc in the game (a smith) is male and has a lot of muscles xD Those people really are never satisfied… it’s mostly the eastern audience like Korea and China tho. Oh and one of the first popular games from Hoyoverse, Honkai Impact 3rd, also only has female playable characters. They asked in a survey if they should add male playable characters and the Chinese players were FURIOUS about it xD In the end Hoyo apologised for even asking them…
@@VeliaOwO Yeah it's so bizarre! I was excited for the game until they announced that, but the moment they said so it just killed any enthusiasm for it. I want stories with well-realised and nuanced characters, and that announcement just makes it sound like they're staying away from that deliberately, since otherwise the fans will be angry 😂 Omg I hadn't heard of that one! Lmao. These people need to get a grip!
@@raptori true 🥲 I just hope that the characters will at least have some personality, but atm it seems more like they just want to cater to the people who care more about other aspects of the characters if you know what I mean… the same people that only want female playable characters 👀 I’m still looking forward to it tho, the world seems amazing and I love the fact that you can fight together with your pets! It’s very sad that it’ll probably never have any male characters tho 😕 I’m so happy that Genshin didn’t go that route! I also only heard about the „male character“ drama in Honkai Impact 3rd recently, it’s so insane 😭 That they only have female characters surprised me a lot when I heard about it a few months ago. And you’re right, these people really need to focus on more important things!
I actually wanted both of the twins before, but then Fremmy came out and I now have a level 20 Childe and c1 Fremmy, one from the banner and one from the event lol.
I find it to be "tear my hair out" frustrating because there seems to be only two side of this section of male players, who always haven a problem with characters as the devs create them. One half doesn't want female playable characters because "I'm a man, I wanna self insert, playing as a woman is gay" while the other half doesn't want male characters because "I'm a man, I don't want to stare at a guys ass as I play all day, that would be gay." Its just two sides of the same homophobia coin.
I find lyney to be such an outlier in my interest in genshin characters- was initially not interested in him at all design and lore-wise when fontaine first started out and his banner released. Then freminet came along and i fell in deep adoration with him. In a roundabout way, liking freminet inevitably got me interested in the twins since the trio are so closely linked. Wanting freminet cons on the current banners of arlecchino/lyney i was confronted with the choice of who i would mind less to end up with if i hit pity (also known as rock bottom for my funds). And even though arlecchino seemed like a no-brainer just a week ago,,, i ended up pulling on lyney's banner. Something in my head just clicked - the sibling's dynamics, the way lyney hides so much of his fear and doubt behind a mask of bravado and magic tricks, the hearth as their home challenging their sense of loyalty etc etc- it had to be him! Charged attack bow user be damned, i'm going to take him along on my journey. I think the moment lyney first broke his streak of indifference with me was during the meropide quest line. As much as i love and main wriothesley, in their confrontation i found myself firmly on lyney's side, because wriothesley took the whole thing too far. Lyney's composure finally cracking was the moment i saw potential in liking him
I have been using Lyney and I’ve been having fun with his charged attack thing. I just explore the world with Healer Furina and Lyney and I just have a lot of fun! Only thing left is his weapon!
@@bloddrinkeraka ikr, out of all the characters in genshin, i really hate two of them and have vendettas against them. One is Mona for being a poor beggar and acting all that. The other is Sigewinne for what she did to Lyney, but yet gets away with it by being cute child.
@@bloddrinkeraka hm, purposefully letting lyney think that his siblings are in danger at wriothesley's hand just by withholding information on the situation and letting the boy work himself up into a panic over it isn't quite "doing nothing wrong" i think. Everything was already playing out like wriothesley wanted it to, so he could have spared lyney the mental damage all of that caused. I get that it was probably also meant to show lyney that he was biting off way more than he could chew, but still. Wriothesley could have just come out with the information on how things were actually going and proven that he had perfect control over the situation all along 🤷♀️
Ahah I was wondering that - Saurus wasn't feeling well so I recorded some of the combat for her this time around, and I don't have Lyney on my account; I saw in the description that you could exit it early, but the one thing I didn't try was his skill 😂
As my first pyro dps, Lyney never disappointed me. I do not have a shielder so at first I was really worried after hearing so much warning about him but at the end that issue added a lot of dynamism to his already so strong and so visually captivating gameplay. My only issue is that Lynette isnt his best anemo teammate, they are my fav duo in genshin😔 The fact that I got his weapon in a simple 10pull also helped him to become a favorite for me 😂
Yeah designing lyney and lynette's kits to be slightly incompatible was very rude of hoyo 😔 NICE his bow is really really nice I admit I'm a tiny bit tempted to see if it would come home easily this banner heh
The moment i heard that Hoyo would be releasing a pyro dps magician, i was like, “F*CK WHATEVER HIS PLAYSTYLE IS, I NEED THAT.” He came down lightning fast and to this day, is my favourite Genshin character.
Irt the garter- he had a proper one in his concept art, but it got changed when it came time for modeling and release. My assumption is that this was partly due to Hoyo already having received some flak from the CCP for Venti and Gorou- and they wanted plausible deniability in Lyney's design so they could claim it wasn't *really* a garter belt. That and, they may have anticipated a negative response from the incel players and tried to quell it by doing that. As a character though he's great! The biggest numbers I've ever seen in game were all on my Lyney team, while some of my other teams may technically deal similar or greater damage-- they tend to do so with more attacks, so he holds the funny number crown.
@saurusness yeah, especially considering how questionably detailed garters are modeled on the women with them...Lyney's seem very intentionally compromised/held back lmao
I liked Lyney's personality more after Arlecchino's story quest, it showed that he's like an older brother to everyone at the orphanage & even stands up against Arlecchino to protect his siblings even though he knows that he doesn't stand a chance against her, which is also the reason why Arlecchino chose him as the next king i.e her successor
Lyney was the first character I wanted just because (also i was curious for the charged attack playstyle as i didn’t have anyone else like that), and I don’t regret it. While I never use him in abyss, and mono element isn’t generally my favourite because of certain immune enemies, I love to use him in the overworld. Sigh one day I will get C4 yanfei for him, but Zhongli is a good companion. This makes me wish we had more pyro supports.
I'm hoping will get a dedicated pyro shield (like layla) at some point - c4 yanfei is really great but the shield is a still a little too weak and short lasting for his type of playstyle to be *truly* comfortable. He would be fun in co-op but of course requires that your team mates are willing o bring a mono pyro team with you 😅
yeah me too, I had to skip her because i was saving for kazuha, but i was also just so puzzled why people just hated her so much just because of a not sure if real or fake design that was not chosen. She is gorgeous and her personality was fine.
@@raptoriAny character that is popular from the girls are what many male players hate. They don’t like women playing Genshin because they think it’s the women’s fault that there are less female characters. Wanderer was an easy target since he was a villain in the story
@@faerieinwonderland It's so ridiculous on so many levels! Honestly the fact that they care about the gender ratio is bizarre in the first place... these people need help 😂
@@bookswithike3256 Yeah true! And the common narrative I've seen people say is that Sumeru specifically was just a bunch of male characters one after another, when actually the 5 stars were 5m:3f, and for 4 stars were 2m:7f...
I've adored Lyney and his playstyle ever since Fontaine began. I wish Abyss was a little friendlier towards him since it really discourages you from running mono-teams but that's not going to stop me from slowly working towards getting him to C6 as an F2P
Hope he comes home early for you! Yeah it's sad when unusual teams like that are discouraged. Though that said, one of my main abyss teams for the past couple of years has been Yanfei mono pyro (with Kazuha, Benny, and Xiangling) 😎
Yeah Abyss hasn't been Lyney friendly in a long time :/ That said I'm ok just doing domains and playing OW with him! Good luck with your pulls, hope you get lots of copies! 🥰
@@bloddrinkeraka If you're doing it just for the primos then 1000% agreed. I still do it on my main account because I find it fun, even though it takes me up to like an hour when I'm trying to figure out the right teams for a new abyss (though it takes like 15 minutes for subsequent runs if I use the same teams). If it wasn't fun then I sure as heck wouldn't do it for less than a third of a wish!
My 'I wasn't interested until haters made me angry' character was Kokomi. She was cute, but I wasn't really interested until all the 'no crit trash' bashing started. I pulled her, built her and she performed wonderfully from the start. Now most people know that Kokomi is a good character, of course. For me Lyney was a must pull during his first banner because his exploration passive just makes finding all those Fontaine specialties so much easier. I am not a fan of his costume, but it is a costume meant for the stage. I hope we get alternative, more normal clothes for him some day. I would consider buying them. I will but my 'baby' f2p account's wishes on Lyney, but it would take a miracle to get him. Always worth trying.
agree on alternative costume for Lyney! I want normal outfit for him even though I like him ... this is the same with many characters I like but not their costumes 😅
Mine were Yae and Yelan. Yae was touted as a skip by theory crafters and Yelan a Xingque side grade and I got them anyway because they were fun (I went for c2 Yelan too boot). After Sumeru came out people were itching for both of their reruns, regretting they skipped.
My friends are pissed I pulled lyney and not cupachio (I'm just starting and he is my first 5 star), but the more and more I play him. I am glad more and more.
@@Inotnari sorry I called them the Fatui caffeinators, child is an exception cause I can’t fit child into a caffeine name : (. Also dr. Pepper is a little lame too… I’m working on it
Tbh I don't have a ton of interest in Lyney or pulling for him, but I really love your guide style and how you embed your personal impressions and thoughts to tell a narrative before diving into the mechanics. It's super unique, and the effort put into these videos is much appreciated!
lyney is my favorite character... i love his pretty boy looks and clothes, he is unique. And very powerful, also i think he will shine more in the future cause he is a monopyro character and natlan + the pyro archon are around the corner
Yay! Always happy to another character review from you! 😃 I never knew this backlash against poor Lyney! But he was always Luke-warm to me since the archon quest. Although he is gentle to the traveller and friendly, I can never get over the fact that this was his mask.... the voice actors and animators did a great job to protray that sense of unease with this character. And like you, character likeability is important for me when deciding to pull. Your video strengthened my choice to skip this round. 😊
It was not his “mask” thou? The most important thing to Lyney is his family and he already made it clear that he ald think of the traveler as one. He also share the side he would not share to anyone else to the traveler like his weak side and his insecurities. He might wear a mask at first but not anymore~
Always really enjoy your character overviews and deep dives that not only cover their technical side but the heart of their character and including your own views of them as a whole - truly hope you’ll continue to do so and create them for all characters, one day!
Been looking forward to this. Smart to release a video while folks are waiting for maintenance to complete. I got Lyney for a bad reason, but it turned out super well. I tried to get Aqua Simulacra but got his bow instead. Out of pity for wasting a signature weapon, I got Lyney and was pleasantly surprised by how heckin strong he was, and fun to play! His high single-target damage helped me (skill issue player) clear the abyss many times recently (all of those cycles with 3 bosses on the same side) "slutty magician police" 😂
"We were supposed to be shocked that the siblings were affiliated to the Fatui for some reason when it was obvious from the start." I agree, but what bothered me more of that moment was that the Traveler was pissed they hid this information from them when 1) it's completely understandable why they did that, like ????? Especially when it was also obvious that part of the reason they hid it was because they didn't want our view of them to be tainted by that, not because they wanted to harm us. And the Traveler can't be like "bUt FaTuI bAd" 'cause 2) by this point we've already had a lot of instances that showed us that the Fatui are more grey than black, especially the low ranks. And also, 3) you have a problem with the siblings but let Childe treat you like you're best buds??????? Fking CHILDE???????? Excuse me, I can't. 🙄🤦
Sorry for 5 months delay but I feel that Traveler act as their lawyer/intercessor so they should tell him everything to help him clear they name in court and when they hide this until someone else reveal that Traveler might have felt used.
Lyney was the reason I started genshin and I’ll never regret pulling of him I love his character so much and Lynette and FREMI are my fav characters in the whole game So thank you for making this video
Since his first appearance in the teyvat trailer preview, ive been playing the game eagerly waiting for fontaine to come along with lyney and his twin. I currently main him and im so happy at the depth of his character -which i initially thought may be somewhat flat, with him appearing to only a flamboyant magician, but his story and personality are way beyond my initial expectations and made me so happy once he came out. I love his NA animations and im glad more people are warming up to him now!
They want more females when the majority of the Fontaine cast, let alone most of the Genshin units, are women? It’s just so insufferable that male characters are seemingly so rare and the ones we receive are often children oddly enough and/or not the best kits, thus reinforcing the idea that male characters are not as desired - contradicted clearly with the popularity and adoration of say tall male characters like Zhongli and Neuvillette and even surprisingly for the “femboys” like Venti and Xingqui. Saving grace appears to be that the few male characters we receive are often far more “quality over quantity” and seem to be memorable and distinct It just doesn’t make sense the vitriol for the existence of a character (critique and criticism and disliking a character or their design is all valid and in my opinion ought to be more normalized) or the bizarre aversion to male characters in these sort of games, especially as the entire audience may not hold the same fragile and insecure view of only wanting a “waifu simulator”
I don't intend to sound mean, but to be frank, the fact that for some Eastern countries it's totally acceptable to cry and throw tantrums that a game releases male characters and not make their whole roster female exclusive is disgusting. Not to mention that in this particular case, they got angry that Liney "showed some skin" but Ganyu, Shenhe, Rosaria's previous bust size, etc. those are more than fine, right? 🙄🤢
I'm that one rare man who mains Lyney. I wasn't interested in him, but he was so great in the Archon Quest and I grew fond of his design. Also really fantastic animations. I didn't have a Pyro DPS nor Ganyu and I find myself really enjoying him.
Agh Lyney has been my favorite ever since I’d seen the TRAVAIL TRAILER. Even without knowing anything about him I felt so attached to him and Lynette. He’s still my favorite to this day!! I love him smm
I saw your subscriber count and was slapped by the fact that you are not one of the main Genshin creators. your video is excellent can't wait to see your growth
For me personally.. I know I probably shouldn’t..but I like pairing him with Layla and Furina. It’s basically a vape team, I put down Layla’s ult and use Furina for hydro application. After that Lyney just shoots the enemy until they die, the freeze comp makes sure they don’t move while Lyney charges up the arrows. But like- DO NOT use me for a viable source, I’m an archer main and I dodge enemies like crazy so I don’t play for efficiency either, I literally just hit and run or use Layla as a shield while I wash dishes or smth..
My one disappointment with Lyney is that he wasn't a two-in-one unit with Lynette. I sort of expected double units to be Fontaine's gimmick, but they went with the less interesting pneuma/ousia thing instead. And just to add insult to injury, they don't even work particularly well together.
I was very skeptical about him, considering the team limitations and the fact that I still don't have Bennet smh, but your video persuaded me to pull for him and follow my original plan of getting the whole Fontaine crew 😁
It took me some time to come around to the charge shot gameplay, but when Genshin first came out he was the one I was most excited for. On this rerun he's finally been C6'd R1'd and I'll never regret saving for it lol
Parts of his design have confused me too, but after the midjourney garters section I looked closer and it kinda looks like his "garters" are more so just supposed to be a part/extension of his shorts.
I don’t like having un-built characters on my roster either, so I doubt I’ll ever get to Lyney even though I got his bow from that weapon banner with two bows (currently used for hilarious but impractical damage from Collei’s charged shots). I’m not pulling a pyro on field DPS until Yanfei (Abyss 11 capable) and Diluc (not built at all) are built for Abyss 12 on my account.
Appreciate to hear you sticking up for the underdog. I pulled him despite not liking his design because I thought he was an interesting character. That and I love myself a fancy top hat. Sadly he is the first character that I pulled since Childe in 1.1 that I actually regret. I find his play style so boring I haven’t touched him since the patch he released in. The poor guy doesn’t even had any artefacts since Navias release. Hope lots of people have fun with him even though he’s not for me.
Saurus always here for the under dog! If I did have Yoi I might be tempted. But alas. I do love getting any of the three siblings in story content tho. They're the best.
I eventually want Lyney and now I also want Chiori just because of how male players have reacted to them. I'm on a full sprint forward for mostly the tall women units myself, but as long as the servers don't shut down any years soon, I'm definitely going to get Lyney some day. I think his look/design is really charming and my favorite weapon is the bow. And I like his character. It sucks that I don't want to spend money so I can't pull for him this time again. 😔
Funny I'm actually the opposite at first I thought it was garter belt too and was confused on why it's not connected (it's not just ingame model, some official arts too). I talked to a friend about it, he shared that maybe because it's not meant to keep the socks but the whole outfit then someone mentioned it to be crinoline and it just hit me on that possibility. I don't think it's crinoline but genshin do make odd references like that on designs. Now I enjoy it to be loose.
Great video, loved seeing your description of him, I imagine he will become more flexible with Natlan as the archon and hopefully other pyro supports will come out but yeah his restriction to Bennett makes me bench him quite often as it is quite hard to get stacks with only him and managing to get all of it done in such a short period of time is sometimes frustrating, but I like his playstyle and definitely will revisit him once more options become available. I hoped Father would've made a cool support for him, but now that time has passed
i have a garter belt similar to his, they're just for the aesthetic and not meant to hold up stockings. i get what you mean though it would make more sense for him to wear a traditional garter belt since he is wearing stockings and it's not realistic for them to be perfectly in place and stop right where the garter begins
do they really just hang loose like that? :o I cna understand them not being attached to the socks if they'r emeant to just be aesthetic garters, it's the looseness that throws me off really 😅
@@saurusness if they're adjustable you can choose how tight/loose you want them, since lyney's are attached to his shorts they can't fall off. and maybe because his shorts are also kinda loose it just looks better that way cause if he made the garters tighter his shorts would be readjusted in a weird way, like the fabric would kinda flow out from the sides i guess? or he just doesn't like the feeling of them being tight around his skin which is understandable, idk lol
I wasn’t interested in him until I did the first archon quest, I got Lyney right after lol, love him, his playstyle not that much because i’m not used to it, but idc, if i love a character i’ll pull it no matter what their playstyle is, I did the same for Wanderer and Venti
Just one thing, Marechaussee Hunter is actually not his best set because the crit rate buff does not snapshot to his charged attack consistently since his hp drain and increase is through his charged attack only and skill. He has big dmg through his burst and skill as well. It’s much more resin efficient to get better stats with 2pc ATK%/PyroDMG 2pc ATK%. So then you don’t have to start with the restriction of having to charge attack 2 times before bursting for the crit rate. More freedom and quick swap flexibility with the 2pc. Many of the speed-runners and hardcore Lyney mains suggest the 2pc.
He used to hv team type restrictions but now he has several more option which is on par if not better than his usual monopyro - Lyney furina vape is one of his strongest team - lyney overload with chevreuse is close to monopyro - lyney double geo I even saw lyney melt with rosaria and burning Ppl tend to believes that his team comp is restricted to monopyro but that’s ald old new. Now he have alot more option to choose from compare to b4 ❤
I plan to use lyney/furina/xiangling c4/bennett soon for my vaporize team! Unfortunately, I don’t own even one copy of Bennett and I will only get c0 when he is out in the May shop
I pulled him because when I was pulling for Arlecchino weapon, I got his bow and his boy is pretty much only good on him so I decided might as well have him lol
strangely enough i've had the opposite experience with lyney. i like his design and was debating on pulling for him, but i was really caught off guard by how much he overshadowed lynette in the story quest. lynette is one of my favorite characters, and the amount of times everyone in the story just forgets lynette exists put a sour taste in my mouth. it felt like the writers forgot she was supposed to have just as major of a role as lyney in the magic show, and therefore dually on trial for murder!! :(
But it does match her character. From the very beginning she was said to be a quiet character that mostly observes from the background, I love her as well, but Lyney was meant to be the center of the stage and she was his assistant.
For me, It's just a matter of like or dislike, not hate. Whether from the design, playstyle, or other aspect. For me, I dislike Lyney from his playstyle and design wise. So I never pull on his banner. This apply for Ganyu also (charge attack playstyle). As for Tighnari, I like his playstyle albeit he uses CA because his CA and rotation is short, frontloaded, and has quickswap playstyle. I don't hate Lyney and feel happy if someone who truly like him get him.
I agree! And I also think it's ok to like/dislike a character for any reason (including appearance)! Some people just can't quite handle others liking a character they dislike and that turns into a burning hate, and they feel a great need to tell anyone who likes characters they don't that they're losers 😅 Those people are the "haters"
Because Genshin's characters are limited in models used and texture is just placed on top of them, the garter ended up looking loose, so it has that pixel wide gap like Venti's puffy shorts. You'll always find something slightly off on every model cause the devs are trying to avoid clipping.
To be honest, I pulled Lyney early in 4.0 before going to Fontaine and enjoy his gameplay a great deal. But I eventually grew to dislike him as a character for his part in the Fontaine story. Nevertheless, I find him a pretty cool character. I've actually used him in abyss a lot it turns out looking back. He was actually quite useful during the hydro tulpa era.
I almost went for Lyney because of the backlash. End up not doing cause I'm not a big fan of his archetype, since we have little to no option for pyro support and Xiangling is too cluncky for my liking (needs a lot of ER to make her good and too many characters want Emblem)
The hate toward Lyney is nothing to do with queerphobia, it's 100% sexism. 'what do you mean women play this game and so would want male characters who are attractive? BOO I ONLY WANT WOMEN'. This is especially true because the main complainers were Koreans. The gender war in SoKo is insane right now. There was a similar issue that came up with a SK based gacha when the male unit in the summer wore a collar and showed off some skin while the female unit wore a diving suit. SK feminists make the angriest tumblr user seem reasonable, and this has made the angry otaku dudes even more extreme in response.
I've seen mixed reports of it tbh, kinda a bit of both I guess? There's definitely a lot of overlap between the two. Can't imagine how devs feel when that's a large part of their target market honestly...
Yeah no there were a lot of awful comments about him looking like a woman, his design being "fixed" if he was a woman, general hatred of queer men and also slurs being thrown around? Sexism and queerphobia are absolutely connected cause they can often stem from a hatred of femininity
If this was just about denying women a male character, then why don't we get this kind of backlash when a traditionally masculine character releases? Is there a tiny group that wants no male characters at all? Probably. But this is mainly about Lyneys looks and wardrobe.
@@Yama_1291 There's two reasons for this. First, a traditionally masculine character like Itto is 'cool'. Boys like them. A pretty boy like Lyney doesn't have any inherent appeal for men, so they must be for girls. This enrages many male otaku because games aren't allowed to cater to anyone but them Second, SK gender politics are insane right now. the SK feminists are incredibly extreme and advocate for the enslavement or eradication of men and not just in their angry venting blog. Like in 'actually secretly blackmailing political figures' way. So having a male character dressed up in a feminine manner is perceived as emasculating him, which indicates that Genshin hates men and wants to enslave them. Same as with the unit who wore a collar in the SK game.
@@raptori Honestly they probably care less about those than they do their insane CN base. Don't forget that it's the CN base who literally tried to assassinate the CEO over a bunnygirl outfit in HI3.
I think those groups were more frustrated that they'd been fed scraps for almost a year by the time Lyney came out. Sumeru was very much focused on male characters and the highly anticipated Dehya was ruined and dumped on the standard banner. That frustration slowly built, until it erupted in Fontaine when it became clear the course wouldn't change anytime soon. All of this could have easily been prevented. HYV just needs to plan their characters and banners better so everyone has something to look forward to. They still struggle with this. Even now they don't know how to release a male character who isn't an on-field DPS.
Yeah that's a charitable way to put it - and 100% agree that in an ideal world they'd balance it a lot better. Some of the problems people have would be SO easy to fix!
Maybe so, but being dissatisfied can't make you homophobic. Neuvillette and Wriothesley didn't face nearly as much hate, even though they were continuing the pattern you pointed out, because they're more traditionally "masculine" characters.
I also don't like Lyney's look, but the reason is his backless outfit and sleeves. There are a lot of women in the GI who also wear backless outfits, but they all have stylish shawls to maintain their decency. In comparison, Lyney's shawl is only half. His sleeves are too puffy, which not only tends to interfere with the magic show, but also attracts the audience to suspect that there is a hidden mechanism in it.
Are you really insulting real people calling them INCELS and talking about supporting minorities just because some players didn't like a fictional character in a video game? Are you serious? And I was not a Liney hater and I even found him cool and wanted to pull for him but didn't have luck, but you really crossed a line that I don't think is right at all. I really liked your content and your channel, I thought you were one of the only genshin content creators that was nice and not toxic. I guess I'm in the wrong place.
She did go out of her way to make it clear that it's not a problem for people to dislike a character! The reference to incels is more tongue in cheek than anything else, but if you go look up how the Lyney haters behaved it's pretty shocking honestly.
Yup, the homophobia surrounding Lyney during his release was shocking. Thousands of comments saying he appeared too "gay" etc, and mass disliking the video because he didn't fit their standard of "man". And yes, the majority of them were indeed Incels.
"Talking about supporting minorties" what's wrong with supporting minorities? Am I misreading your comment or are you perhaps implying something unkind. I don't think it's "toxic" to take a stand against bigotry and hatred, especially because there's nothing wrong with Lyney's design comparative to the rest of the Genshin cast - male or female. You're free to like or dislike Lyney but the hatred against him from Korean gamers, does seem rooted in misogyny, homophobia, or both so I sincerely hope you're not implying that something like that is okay.
No, as I said people are completely free to dislike a character or their design for *any* reason, including finding them unappealing. It's ok to not be interested in "feminine looking men" for example. It's when people get angry that such a character would be released and call for nation wide boycotts, that I really can't see any other reason than bigotry.
@@reemm6270 most homophobes are married men actually, while incels turn gay to find a partner. That's why there are so many gay people nowadays, because they couldn't attract a woman.
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On topic of Lyney's "garter belt", I am unfamiliar with the english terminology in this area but looking up "punk garter" revealed a lot of pictures of what looks quite like what he wears and these things often are just leather straps with no clips or any other means to hold onto anything. So I assume even Lyney's straps are meant to be just decorative.
Huh yeah that's interesting! Those still look like they're not supposed to hang loose like that, but at least non-functional ones are actually a legitimate thing! 😅
ALSO we were robbed of Lyney being a cat boy with actual real cat ears like his sister Lynette. It's such an unfair thing,bc look at how many cat girls we have.
It also doesn't make sense that Lynette is the only sibling that has cat ears.
that's what im saying!!! they rly didn't need to nerf his ability to serve like that. (not to mention like- "twins?" eh?) I get it's like a magical trait so logic doesn't fully apply but still >:T
@@zacki102 The story mentions that Lyney didn't get the genes for the cat trait (I forgot what its called scientifically), and also male female twins are less likely to be similar compared to twins of the same gender.
@@deductionsdiary105 It's called a recessive trait. It's like when a family who has a history of brown hair on both sides for a few generations suddenly has a baby with blond or red hair. It's quite common actually.
@@kamicokrolock yea that, i forgot the name but i remember what it was about.
Also I forgot if it was Lyney or Lynette that got the recessive gene
The irony of Koreans being mad at a femboy design doesn't escape me. That said my fav Leney team is the overload team with Chevy, Xianglin and Yae. Especially on single boss enemies. It frees up bennet for my other teams like national and Xiangyun plunge
it's not really irony, they have a huge incel community that is so much worse than what we know in the west and yes they absolutely hate kpop groups and kdramas with effeminate men etc too
The whole "waifu" thing is weird enough at the best of times, but when people react like that it's SO beyond weird. Even worse is the whole thing about that new gacha which announced they would not have male playable characters at all.... just wtf.
It's perfectly valid to get attached to characters, but some of it is several levels too far 😅
True, I’m a bit sad that Azur Promilia won’t have any male characters. There were leaks about one and players went absolutely crazy by review bombing the game until the devs clarified that there will only be females 🥲 Now they’re mad that an npc in the game (a smith) is male and has a lot of muscles xD Those people really are never satisfied… it’s mostly the eastern audience like Korea and China tho.
Oh and one of the first popular games from Hoyoverse, Honkai Impact 3rd, also only has female playable characters. They asked in a survey if they should add male playable characters and the Chinese players were FURIOUS about it xD In the end Hoyo apologised for even asking them…
@@VeliaOwO Yeah it's so bizarre! I was excited for the game until they announced that, but the moment they said so it just killed any enthusiasm for it. I want stories with well-realised and nuanced characters, and that announcement just makes it sound like they're staying away from that deliberately, since otherwise the fans will be angry 😂
Omg I hadn't heard of that one! Lmao. These people need to get a grip!
@@raptori true 🥲 I just hope that the characters will at least have some personality, but atm it seems more like they just want to cater to the people who care more about other aspects of the characters if you know what I mean… the same people that only want female playable characters 👀 I’m still looking forward to it tho, the world seems amazing and I love the fact that you can fight together with your pets! It’s very sad that it’ll probably never have any male characters tho 😕 I’m so happy that Genshin didn’t go that route!
I also only heard about the „male character“ drama in Honkai Impact 3rd recently, it’s so insane 😭 That they only have female characters surprised me a lot when I heard about it a few months ago. And you’re right, these people really need to focus on more important things!
I actually wanted both of the twins before, but then Fremmy came out and I now have a level 20 Childe and c1 Fremmy, one from the banner and one from the event lol.
I find it to be "tear my hair out" frustrating because there seems to be only two side of this section of male players, who always haven a problem with characters as the devs create them. One half doesn't want female playable characters because "I'm a man, I wanna self insert, playing as a woman is gay" while the other half doesn't want male characters because "I'm a man, I don't want to stare at a guys ass as I play all day, that would be gay." Its just two sides of the same homophobia coin.
I find lyney to be such an outlier in my interest in genshin characters- was initially not interested in him at all design and lore-wise when fontaine first started out and his banner released. Then freminet came along and i fell in deep adoration with him. In a roundabout way, liking freminet inevitably got me interested in the twins since the trio are so closely linked.
Wanting freminet cons on the current banners of arlecchino/lyney i was confronted with the choice of who i would mind less to end up with if i hit pity (also known as rock bottom for my funds). And even though arlecchino seemed like a no-brainer just a week ago,,, i ended up pulling on lyney's banner. Something in my head just clicked - the sibling's dynamics, the way lyney hides so much of his fear and doubt behind a mask of bravado and magic tricks, the hearth as their home challenging their sense of loyalty etc etc- it had to be him! Charged attack bow user be damned, i'm going to take him along on my journey.
I think the moment lyney first broke his streak of indifference with me was during the meropide quest line. As much as i love and main wriothesley, in their confrontation i found myself firmly on lyney's side, because wriothesley took the whole thing too far. Lyney's composure finally cracking was the moment i saw potential in liking him
I have been using Lyney and I’ve been having fun with his charged attack thing. I just explore the world with Healer Furina and Lyney and I just have a lot of fun! Only thing left is his weapon!
Rizzley did nothing wrong. Blame Sigewinne, she's a psychopath.
@@bloddrinkeraka ikr, out of all the characters in genshin, i really hate two of them and have vendettas against them. One is Mona for being a poor beggar and acting all that. The other is Sigewinne for what she did to Lyney, but yet gets away with it by being cute child.
@@bloddrinkeraka hm, purposefully letting lyney think that his siblings are in danger at wriothesley's hand just by withholding information on the situation and letting the boy work himself up into a panic over it isn't quite "doing nothing wrong" i think.
Everything was already playing out like wriothesley wanted it to, so he could have spared lyney the mental damage all of that caused. I get that it was probably also meant to show lyney that he was biting off way more than he could chew, but still. Wriothesley could have just come out with the information on how things were actually going and proven that he had perfect control over the situation all along 🤷♀️
Actually? Siegeweinne may have saved Lyney's life.
Btw! You can press the skill button during his burst to end his burst early. This is useful mainly because his burst can only hit an enemy once.
Ahah I was wondering that - Saurus wasn't feeling well so I recorded some of the combat for her this time around, and I don't have Lyney on my account; I saw in the description that you could exit it early, but the one thing I didn't try was his skill 😂
lol
Omg ty for the useful tip!
As my first pyro dps, Lyney never disappointed me. I do not have a shielder so at first I was really worried after hearing so much warning about him but at the end that issue added a lot of dynamism to his already so strong and so visually captivating gameplay. My only issue is that Lynette isnt his best anemo teammate, they are my fav duo in genshin😔
The fact that I got his weapon in a simple 10pull also helped him to become a favorite for me 😂
Yeah designing lyney and lynette's kits to be slightly incompatible was very rude of hoyo 😔
NICE his bow is really really nice I admit I'm a tiny bit tempted to see if it would come home easily this banner heh
@@saurusness Best of luck with that 🤞
I got his weapon from 10 pulsa too! Such a great luck
@@roa.reyescortes298 🫂🫂🫂
My luck on Lyney’s weapon was terrible! I lost my 50/50 twice on it and drained almost half of the 218 pulls I saved for him😔
The moment i heard that Hoyo would be releasing a pyro dps magician, i was like, “F*CK WHATEVER HIS PLAYSTYLE IS, I NEED THAT.”
He came down lightning fast and to this day, is my favourite Genshin character.
This is the way 😌
LYNEY 🔛🔝
@@Lyney_thegreatmagician YOURE HERE TOO
@@Little_MatchaTea HEYY!!
@@Lyney_thegreatmagician we meet everywhere
to make lyney’s fanbase BIGGER
Irt the garter- he had a proper one in his concept art, but it got changed when it came time for modeling and release. My assumption is that this was partly due to Hoyo already having received some flak from the CCP for Venti and Gorou- and they wanted plausible deniability in Lyney's design so they could claim it wasn't *really* a garter belt. That and, they may have anticipated a negative response from the incel players and tried to quell it by doing that.
As a character though he's great! The biggest numbers I've ever seen in game were all on my Lyney team, while some of my other teams may technically deal similar or greater damage-- they tend to do so with more attacks, so he holds the funny number crown.
I reckon you're right, and they loosened them to make them less "sexy"/feminine, but man silly though it is the loose garters irk me so much 😂
@saurusness yeah, especially considering how questionably detailed garters are modeled on the women with them...Lyney's seem very intentionally compromised/held back lmao
I liked Lyney's personality more after Arlecchino's story quest, it showed that he's like an older brother to everyone at the orphanage & even stands up against Arlecchino to protect his siblings even though he knows that he doesn't stand a chance against her, which is also the reason why Arlecchino chose him as the next king i.e her successor
I agree - Lyney looks wonky, but I reaaaally loved his playstyle. hoping for a 50/50 win tomorrow!!!
Hope you manage to get him! 😁
Manifesting lyney for you! ❤
Manifesting first 10 pull 💜
wonky 😭😭😭
Lyney was the first character I wanted just because (also i was curious for the charged attack playstyle as i didn’t have anyone else like that), and I don’t regret it. While I never use him in abyss, and mono element isn’t generally my favourite because of certain immune enemies, I love to use him in the overworld. Sigh one day I will get C4 yanfei for him, but Zhongli is a good companion. This makes me wish we had more pyro supports.
I'm hoping will get a dedicated pyro shield (like layla) at some point - c4 yanfei is really great but the shield is a still a little too weak and short lasting for his type of playstyle to be *truly* comfortable. He would be fun in co-op but of course requires that your team mates are willing o bring a mono pyro team with you 😅
@@saurusnessikr, those is too weak for me, and although tankfei’s shield is very strong, she’s hard to get all the way to c4
This is basically the exact same reason that made me pull for Emilie, she's amazing as a sub dps (and gorgeous) and I don't understand all the hate.
yeah me too, I had to skip her because i was saving for kazuha, but i was also just so puzzled why people just hated her so much just because of a not sure if real or fake design that was not chosen. She is gorgeous and her personality was fine.
Oh so the same people who were hating on Wanderer came for Lyney too? :x yikes..
Wait, they hated Wanderer too? I hadn't heard of that 🤦
@@raptoriAny character that is popular from the girls are what many male players hate. They don’t like women playing Genshin because they think it’s the women’s fault that there are less female characters. Wanderer was an easy target since he was a villain in the story
@@faerieinwonderland It's so ridiculous on so many levels!
Honestly the fact that they care about the gender ratio is bizarre in the first place... these people need help 😂
@@raptori There also aren't less female characters anyway. The characters are two thirds female, one third male.
@@bookswithike3256 Yeah true!
And the common narrative I've seen people say is that Sumeru specifically was just a bunch of male characters one after another, when actually the 5 stars were 5m:3f, and for 4 stars were 2m:7f...
I've adored Lyney and his playstyle ever since Fontaine began. I wish Abyss was a little friendlier towards him since it really discourages you from running mono-teams but that's not going to stop me from slowly working towards getting him to C6 as an F2P
Hope he comes home early for you!
Yeah it's sad when unusual teams like that are discouraged. Though that said, one of my main abyss teams for the past couple of years has been Yanfei mono pyro (with Kazuha, Benny, and Xiangling) 😎
Yeah Abyss hasn't been Lyney friendly in a long time :/ That said I'm ok just doing domains and playing OW with him!
Good luck with your pulls, hope you get lots of copies! 🥰
I've been clearing every abyss cycle since 4.1 using lyney with no problem
It's a time and energy waste to full star clear F12. Like missing 50 primogems every cycle, that's less than a daily commission.
@@bloddrinkeraka If you're doing it just for the primos then 1000% agreed.
I still do it on my main account because I find it fun, even though it takes me up to like an hour when I'm trying to figure out the right teams for a new abyss (though it takes like 15 minutes for subsequent runs if I use the same teams). If it wasn't fun then I sure as heck wouldn't do it for less than a third of a wish!
My 'I wasn't interested until haters made me angry' character was Kokomi. She was cute, but I wasn't really interested until all the 'no crit trash' bashing started. I pulled her, built her and she performed wonderfully from the start. Now most people know that Kokomi is a good character, of course.
For me Lyney was a must pull during his first banner because his exploration passive just makes finding all those Fontaine specialties so much easier. I am not a fan of his costume, but it is a costume meant for the stage. I hope we get alternative, more normal clothes for him some day. I would consider buying them. I will but my 'baby' f2p account's wishes on Lyney, but it would take a miracle to get him. Always worth trying.
agree on alternative costume for Lyney! I want normal outfit for him even though I like him ... this is the same with many characters I like but not their costumes 😅
Mine were Yae and Yelan. Yae was touted as a skip by theory crafters and Yelan a Xingque side grade and I got them anyway because they were fun (I went for c2 Yelan too boot). After Sumeru came out people were itching for both of their reruns, regretting they skipped.
His outfit is fine imo but that uncovered shoulder looks so goofy
My friends are pissed I pulled lyney and not cupachio (I'm just starting and he is my first 5 star), but the more and more I play him. I am glad more and more.
You mean arlechino?
@@Inotnari sorry I called them the Fatui caffeinators, child is an exception cause I can’t fit child into a caffeine name : (. Also dr. Pepper is a little lame too… I’m working on it
@@evadesp wait who's dr.Pepper?😭
@@Inotnari the doctor, dottore
At this point they have to be drinks cuz the capitano is going to be difficult too
Tbh I don't have a ton of interest in Lyney or pulling for him, but I really love your guide style and how you embed your personal impressions and thoughts to tell a narrative before diving into the mechanics. It's super unique, and the effort put into these videos is much appreciated!
thank you! 😊
lyney is my favorite character... i love his pretty boy looks and clothes, he is unique. And very powerful, also i think he will shine more in the future cause he is a monopyro character and natlan + the pyro archon are around the corner
I plan on getting the Pyro Archon for Lyney! I feel like someone people are gonna regret not getting Lyney when Natlan comes out
Yay! Always happy to another character review from you! 😃
I never knew this backlash against poor Lyney! But he was always Luke-warm to me since the archon quest. Although he is gentle to the traveller and friendly, I can never get over the fact that this was his mask.... the voice actors and animators did a great job to protray that sense of unease with this character. And like you, character likeability is important for me when deciding to pull.
Your video strengthened my choice to skip this round. 😊
Thank you! 😊
It was not his “mask” thou? The most important thing to Lyney is his family and he already made it clear that he ald think of the traveler as one. He also share the side he would not share to anyone else to the traveler like his weak side and his insecurities. He might wear a mask at first but not anymore~
Always really enjoy your character overviews and deep dives that not only cover their technical side but the heart of their character and including your own views of them as a whole - truly hope you’ll continue to do so and create them for all characters, one day!
thank you! 💜 That's certainly the goal 😁
I'm glad you are on the lyney train! His one of my favs. Like you I love that he is an underdog plus his VA is amazing
Been looking forward to this. Smart to release a video while folks are waiting for maintenance to complete.
I got Lyney for a bad reason, but it turned out super well. I tried to get Aqua Simulacra but got his bow instead. Out of pity for wasting a signature weapon, I got Lyney and was pleasantly surprised by how heckin strong he was, and fun to play! His high single-target damage helped me (skill issue player) clear the abyss many times recently (all of those cycles with 3 bosses on the same side)
"slutty magician police" 😂
"We were supposed to be shocked that the siblings were affiliated to the Fatui for some reason when it was obvious from the start." I agree, but what bothered me more of that moment was that the Traveler was pissed they hid this information from them when 1) it's completely understandable why they did that, like ????? Especially when it was also obvious that part of the reason they hid it was because they didn't want our view of them to be tainted by that, not because they wanted to harm us. And the Traveler can't be like "bUt FaTuI bAd" 'cause 2) by this point we've already had a lot of instances that showed us that the Fatui are more grey than black, especially the low ranks. And also, 3) you have a problem with the siblings but let Childe treat you like you're best buds??????? Fking CHILDE???????? Excuse me, I can't. 🙄🤦
Omg yes traveller's "hurt" reaction had me rolling my eyes ngl 😂
@@saurusness THANK YOU
Like why are you being a dramatic little punk about this, stfu. 🤦😂
@@saurusness THANK YOU
Like why are you being a little bish about it, stfu. 🤦😂
@@saurusness THANK YOU
Like why are you being a little b1tch about it, stfu. 🤦😂
Sorry for 5 months delay but I feel that Traveler act as their lawyer/intercessor so they should tell him everything to help him clear they name in court and when they hide this until someone else reveal that Traveler might have felt used.
Lyney was the reason I started genshin and I’ll never regret pulling of him
I love his character so much and Lynette and FREMI are my fav characters in the whole game
So thank you for making this video
Since his first appearance in the teyvat trailer preview, ive been playing the game eagerly waiting for fontaine to come along with lyney and his twin.
I currently main him and im so happy at the depth of his character -which i initially thought may be somewhat flat, with him appearing to only a flamboyant magician, but his story and personality are way beyond my initial expectations and made me so happy once he came out. I love his NA animations and im glad more people are warming up to him now!
They want more females when the majority of the Fontaine cast, let alone most of the Genshin units, are women?
It’s just so insufferable that male characters are seemingly so rare and the ones we receive are often children oddly enough and/or not the best kits, thus reinforcing the idea that male characters are not as desired - contradicted clearly with the popularity and adoration of say tall male characters like Zhongli and Neuvillette and even surprisingly for the “femboys” like Venti and Xingqui. Saving grace appears to be that the few male characters we receive are often far more “quality over quantity” and seem to be memorable and distinct
It just doesn’t make sense the vitriol for the existence of a character (critique and criticism and disliking a character or their design is all valid and in my opinion ought to be more normalized) or the bizarre aversion to male characters in these sort of games, especially as the entire audience may not hold the same fragile and insecure view of only wanting a “waifu simulator”
I don't intend to sound mean, but to be frank, the fact that for some Eastern countries it's totally acceptable to cry and throw tantrums that a game releases male characters and not make their whole roster female exclusive is disgusting. Not to mention that in this particular case, they got angry that Liney "showed some skin" but Ganyu, Shenhe, Rosaria's previous bust size, etc. those are more than fine, right? 🙄🤢
I'm that one rare man who mains Lyney. I wasn't interested in him, but he was so great in the Archon Quest and I grew fond of his design. Also really fantastic animations. I didn't have a Pyro DPS nor Ganyu and I find myself really enjoying him.
Agh Lyney has been my favorite ever since I’d seen the TRAVAIL TRAILER. Even without knowing anything about him I felt so attached to him and Lynette. He’s still my favorite to this day!! I love him smm
I saw your subscriber count and was slapped by the fact that you are not one of the main Genshin creators. your video is excellent can't wait to see your growth
For me personally.. I know I probably shouldn’t..but I like pairing him with Layla and Furina. It’s basically a vape team, I put down Layla’s ult and use Furina for hydro application. After that Lyney just shoots the enemy until they die, the freeze comp makes sure they don’t move while Lyney charges up the arrows.
But like- DO NOT use me for a viable source, I’m an archer main and I dodge enemies like crazy so I don’t play for efficiency either, I literally just hit and run or use Layla as a shield while I wash dishes or smth..
My one disappointment with Lyney is that he wasn't a two-in-one unit with Lynette. I sort of expected double units to be Fontaine's gimmick, but they went with the less interesting pneuma/ousia thing instead. And just to add insult to injury, they don't even work particularly well together.
same, the fact that they're quite unoptimal for each other is a little disappointing :(
I was very skeptical about him, considering the team limitations and the fact that I still don't have Bennet smh, but your video persuaded me to pull for him and follow my original plan of getting the whole Fontaine crew 😁
It took me some time to come around to the charge shot gameplay, but when Genshin first came out he was the one I was most excited for. On this rerun he's finally been C6'd R1'd and I'll never regret saving for it lol
Parts of his design have confused me too, but after the midjourney garters section I looked closer and it kinda looks like his "garters" are more so just supposed to be a part/extension of his shorts.
I don’t like having un-built characters on my roster either, so I doubt I’ll ever get to Lyney even though I got his bow from that weapon banner with two bows (currently used for hilarious but impractical damage from Collei’s charged shots).
I’m not pulling a pyro on field DPS until Yanfei (Abyss 11 capable) and Diluc (not built at all) are built for Abyss 12 on my account.
Appreciate to hear you sticking up for the underdog. I pulled him despite not liking his design because I thought he was an interesting character. That and I love myself a fancy top hat. Sadly he is the first character that I pulled since Childe in 1.1 that I actually regret. I find his play style so boring I haven’t touched him since the patch he released in. The poor guy doesn’t even had any artefacts since Navias release. Hope lots of people have fun with him even though he’s not for me.
Whyy he’s so fun to me I guess his gameplay is a love it or hate it type situation
@@Marz333 I just don’t enjoy charge attacking with bows. I can see how it would be fun for other people but it’s not for me.
Saurus always here for the under dog! If I did have Yoi I might be tempted. But alas. I do love getting any of the three siblings in story content tho. They're the best.
it's precisely how I also became a fan of Qiqi 😂 Same, I'm super looking forward to the next patch's story 👀
I eventually want Lyney and now I also want Chiori just because of how male players have reacted to them. I'm on a full sprint forward for mostly the tall women units myself, but as long as the servers don't shut down any years soon, I'm definitely going to get Lyney some day. I think his look/design is really charming and my favorite weapon is the bow. And I like his character. It sucks that I don't want to spend money so I can't pull for him this time again. 😔
I love his design and character but was disappointed when I found out he's a bow user and how his kit plays.
Funny I'm actually the opposite at first I thought it was garter belt too and was confused on why it's not connected (it's not just ingame model, some official arts too).
I talked to a friend about it, he shared that maybe because it's not meant to keep the socks but the whole outfit then someone mentioned it to be crinoline and it just hit me on that possibility.
I don't think it's crinoline but genshin do make odd references like that on designs.
Now I enjoy it to be loose.
Wow I love Lyney, I never noticed that about his outfit, I just thought his appearance was cute.
Great video, loved seeing your description of him, I imagine he will become more flexible with Natlan as the archon and hopefully other pyro supports will come out but yeah his restriction to Bennett makes me bench him quite often as it is quite hard to get stacks with only him and managing to get all of it done in such a short period of time is sometimes frustrating, but I like his playstyle and definitely will revisit him once more options become available. I hoped Father would've made a cool support for him, but now that time has passed
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a dedicated pyro shield/buffer/def shredder that would be perfect for him 🙏
His outfit, appearance and personality were primary reason I pulled him despite my tendency to avoid archers...
i have a garter belt similar to his, they're just for the aesthetic and not meant to hold up stockings. i get what you mean though it would make more sense for him to wear a traditional garter belt since he is wearing stockings and it's not realistic for them to be perfectly in place and stop right where the garter begins
do they really just hang loose like that? :o I cna understand them not being attached to the socks if they'r emeant to just be aesthetic garters, it's the looseness that throws me off really 😅
@@saurusness if they're adjustable you can choose how tight/loose you want them, since lyney's are attached to his shorts they can't fall off. and maybe because his shorts are also kinda loose it just looks better that way cause if he made the garters tighter his shorts would be readjusted in a weird way, like the fabric would kinda flow out from the sides i guess? or he just doesn't like the feeling of them being tight around his skin which is understandable, idk lol
@@leaf111 Good point, perhaps that's part of why they left them loose in the first place :D
I didn't want to at first, I only wanted c2 lynette to play with my dori. now he's my best character with lousy build.
I wasn’t interested in him until I did the first archon quest, I got Lyney right after lol, love him, his playstyle not that much because i’m not used to it, but idc, if i love a character i’ll pull it no matter what their playstyle is, I did the same for Wanderer and Venti
I love Lyney gameplay, its fun. Also, hes my best build caracther
Just one thing, Marechaussee Hunter is actually not his best set because the crit rate buff does not snapshot to his charged attack consistently since his hp drain and increase is through his charged attack only and skill. He has big dmg through his burst and skill as well. It’s much more resin efficient to get better stats with 2pc ATK%/PyroDMG 2pc ATK%. So then you don’t have to start with the restriction of having to charge attack 2 times before bursting for the crit rate. More freedom and quick swap flexibility with the 2pc. Many of the speed-runners and hardcore Lyney mains suggest the 2pc.
He used to hv team type restrictions but now he has several more option which is on par if not better than his usual monopyro
- Lyney furina vape is one of his strongest team
- lyney overload with chevreuse is close to monopyro
- lyney double geo
I even saw lyney melt with rosaria and burning
Ppl tend to believes that his team comp is restricted to monopyro but that’s ald old new. Now he have alot more option to choose from compare to b4 ❤
I plan to use lyney/furina/xiangling c4/bennett soon for my vaporize team! Unfortunately, I don’t own even one copy of Bennett and I will only get c0 when he is out in the May shop
I pulled him because when I was pulling for Arlecchino weapon, I got his bow and his boy is pretty much only good on him so I decided might as well have him lol
Lyney is my first character I whaled for the character and weapon LOL anything that looks aesthetically similar to Alice in Wonderland I’m pulling
strangely enough i've had the opposite experience with lyney. i like his design and was debating on pulling for him, but i was really caught off guard by how much he overshadowed lynette in the story quest. lynette is one of my favorite characters, and the amount of times everyone in the story just forgets lynette exists put a sour taste in my mouth.
it felt like the writers forgot she was supposed to have just as major of a role as lyney in the magic show, and therefore dually on trial for murder!! :(
But it does match her character. From the very beginning she was said to be a quiet character that mostly observes from the background, I love her as well, but Lyney was meant to be the center of the stage and she was his assistant.
For me, It's just a matter of like or dislike, not hate. Whether from the design, playstyle, or other aspect. For me, I dislike Lyney from his playstyle and design wise. So I never pull on his banner. This apply for Ganyu also (charge attack playstyle). As for Tighnari, I like his playstyle albeit he uses CA because his CA and rotation is short, frontloaded, and has quickswap playstyle. I don't hate Lyney and feel happy if someone who truly like him get him.
I agree! And I also think it's ok to like/dislike a character for any reason (including appearance)! Some people just can't quite handle others liking a character they dislike and that turns into a burning hate, and they feel a great need to tell anyone who likes characters they don't that they're losers 😅 Those people are the "haters"
Because Genshin's characters are limited in models used and texture is just placed on top of them, the garter ended up looking loose, so it has that pixel wide gap like Venti's puffy shorts. You'll always find something slightly off on every model cause the devs are trying to avoid clipping.
As a lyney main i approve this video
Hope you making a Video about Arlecchino 😁
To be honest, I pulled Lyney early in 4.0 before going to Fontaine and enjoy his gameplay a great deal. But I eventually grew to dislike him as a character for his part in the Fontaine story. Nevertheless, I find him a pretty cool character. I've actually used him in abyss a lot it turns out looking back. He was actually quite useful during the hydro tulpa era.
I think Lyney is going to be my first c6 character 😭
I had to skip lyney on his rerun because i wanted wanderer as well but i still want lyney so badly!!!!!
FINALLY I GOT LYNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I almost went for Lyney because of the backlash. End up not doing cause I'm not a big fan of his archetype, since we have little to no option for pyro support and Xiangling is too cluncky for my liking (needs a lot of ER to make her good and too many characters want Emblem)
1:25 YOU DID NOT JUST INSULT CHIORI’S DESIGN😭🙏
LMAO hey it's okay, sometimes designers just have a bad idea, the rest of her stuff is top tier 😎
The hate toward Lyney is nothing to do with queerphobia, it's 100% sexism. 'what do you mean women play this game and so would want male characters who are attractive? BOO I ONLY WANT WOMEN'. This is especially true because the main complainers were Koreans. The gender war in SoKo is insane right now. There was a similar issue that came up with a SK based gacha when the male unit in the summer wore a collar and showed off some skin while the female unit wore a diving suit. SK feminists make the angriest tumblr user seem reasonable, and this has made the angry otaku dudes even more extreme in response.
I've seen mixed reports of it tbh, kinda a bit of both I guess? There's definitely a lot of overlap between the two. Can't imagine how devs feel when that's a large part of their target market honestly...
Yeah no there were a lot of awful comments about him looking like a woman, his design being "fixed" if he was a woman, general hatred of queer men and also slurs being thrown around?
Sexism and queerphobia are absolutely connected cause they can often stem from a hatred of femininity
If this was just about denying women a male character, then why don't we get this kind of backlash when a traditionally masculine character releases? Is there a tiny group that wants no male characters at all? Probably. But this is mainly about Lyneys looks and wardrobe.
@@Yama_1291 There's two reasons for this. First, a traditionally masculine character like Itto is 'cool'. Boys like them. A pretty boy like Lyney doesn't have any inherent appeal for men, so they must be for girls. This enrages many male otaku because games aren't allowed to cater to anyone but them
Second, SK gender politics are insane right now. the SK feminists are incredibly extreme and advocate for the enslavement or eradication of men and not just in their angry venting blog. Like in 'actually secretly blackmailing political figures' way. So having a male character dressed up in a feminine manner is perceived as emasculating him, which indicates that Genshin hates men and wants to enslave them. Same as with the unit who wore a collar in the SK game.
@@raptori Honestly they probably care less about those than they do their insane CN base. Don't forget that it's the CN base who literally tried to assassinate the CEO over a bunnygirl outfit in HI3.
Lmao i*cels how?
As Lynette once said, "Onechan Baka 😂😂😂
I think those groups were more frustrated that they'd been fed scraps for almost a year by the time Lyney came out. Sumeru was very much focused on male characters and the highly anticipated Dehya was ruined and dumped on the standard banner. That frustration slowly built, until it erupted in Fontaine when it became clear the course wouldn't change anytime soon.
All of this could have easily been prevented. HYV just needs to plan their characters and banners better so everyone has something to look forward to. They still struggle with this. Even now they don't know how to release a male character who isn't an on-field DPS.
Yeah that's a charitable way to put it - and 100% agree that in an ideal world they'd balance it a lot better. Some of the problems people have would be SO easy to fix!
Maybe so, but being dissatisfied can't make you homophobic. Neuvillette and Wriothesley didn't face nearly as much hate, even though they were continuing the pattern you pointed out, because they're more traditionally "masculine" characters.
@@bookswithike3256 this right here
I also don't like Lyney's look, but the reason is his backless outfit and sleeves. There are a lot of women in the GI who also wear backless outfits, but they all have stylish shawls to maintain their decency. In comparison, Lyney's shawl is only half. His sleeves are too puffy, which not only tends to interfere with the magic show, but also attracts the audience to suspect that there is a hidden mechanism in it.
also good video
Honestly i just wish they put Lyney in a skirt. That would have been amazing.
Are you really insulting real people calling them INCELS and talking about supporting minorities just because some players didn't like a fictional character in a video game? Are you serious? And I was not a Liney hater and I even found him cool and wanted to pull for him but didn't have luck, but you really crossed a line that I don't think is right at all. I really liked your content and your channel, I thought you were one of the only genshin content creators that was nice and not toxic. I guess I'm in the wrong place.
She did go out of her way to make it clear that it's not a problem for people to dislike a character!
The reference to incels is more tongue in cheek than anything else, but if you go look up how the Lyney haters behaved it's pretty shocking honestly.
Yup, the homophobia surrounding Lyney during his release was shocking. Thousands of comments saying he appeared too "gay" etc, and mass disliking the video because he didn't fit their standard of "man". And yes, the majority of them were indeed Incels.
"Talking about supporting minorties" what's wrong with supporting minorities? Am I misreading your comment or are you perhaps implying something unkind. I don't think it's "toxic" to take a stand against bigotry and hatred, especially because there's nothing wrong with Lyney's design comparative to the rest of the Genshin cast - male or female. You're free to like or dislike Lyney but the hatred against him from Korean gamers, does seem rooted in misogyny, homophobia, or both so I sincerely hope you're not implying that something like that is okay.
No, as I said people are completely free to dislike a character or their design for *any* reason, including finding them unappealing. It's ok to not be interested in "feminine looking men" for example. It's when people get angry that such a character would be released and call for nation wide boycotts, that I really can't see any other reason than bigotry.
@@reemm6270 most homophobes are married men actually, while incels turn gay to find a partner. That's why there are so many gay people nowadays, because they couldn't attract a woman.
love this kind of videos