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  • @TheAcreanCandidate
    @TheAcreanCandidate 6 месяцев назад +12308

    Media: kills debate formula.
    Also Media: Who killed the debate formula? The new one sucks!

    • @GalenWillettMusic
      @GalenWillettMusic 6 месяцев назад +210

      *shoots debate formula*
      How could Millenials do this?

    • @aiwsbxiwbzbd4805
      @aiwsbxiwbzbd4805 6 месяцев назад +67

      Yeah, absolutely. It's only media's fault for that candidates have a nasty behavior and insult directly each other.

    • @FreekinEkin2
      @FreekinEkin2 6 месяцев назад +79

      This comment is kinda the problem.
      Blaming the media is a way of deflecting from the fact that the consumers are the problem. They've become more radical and more polarised.
      The media meets the demand.

    • @GalenWillettMusic
      @GalenWillettMusic 6 месяцев назад +20

      They could cut the mic when debaters go off the rails.

    • @GalenWillettMusic
      @GalenWillettMusic 6 месяцев назад +27

      And the media could report without bias instead of being so brazenly partisan and beholden to obvious corporate interests.

  • @suhyunkim3589
    @suhyunkim3589 6 месяцев назад +18342

    Thank you NYT, CNN, and Fox News for pinning the entire country against each other. Divide and conquer

    • @TheMissiIe
      @TheMissiIe 6 месяцев назад

      I swear both sides teamed up to destabilise the country while they make billions.

    • @lukav3509
      @lukav3509 6 месяцев назад +327

      god bless corporate news

    • @jankoleon3785
      @jankoleon3785 6 месяцев назад +44

      Well, I wouldn't say Fox News.

    • @habitsrabbit
      @habitsrabbit 6 месяцев назад +889

      ​@@jankoleon3785well I would.

    • @kawanzaii8698
      @kawanzaii8698 6 месяцев назад +463

      @@jankoleon3785nice bait

  • @user-kl6ef1tn5g
    @user-kl6ef1tn5g 5 месяцев назад +867

    “Don’t trust everything you read on the internet”. - Abraham Lincoln

    • @user-vg2eg7oo5n
      @user-vg2eg7oo5n 4 месяца назад +17

      Wrong. FDR said that

    • @1ameverywhere
      @1ameverywhere Месяц назад +25

      ​@@user-vg2eg7oo5n wrong, Stalin said that

    • @repostgrandhall
      @repostgrandhall Месяц назад +19

      @@1ameverywhere Wrong, Nicolas Cage said that

    • @Official_Talan
      @Official_Talan Месяц назад +4

      No internet back then genius

    • @user-vg2eg7oo5n
      @user-vg2eg7oo5n Месяц назад +10

      @@user-kl6ef1tn5g Ben Franklin invented the internet after he discovered electricity.
      Look it up, Einstein!!!!!

  • @timesnewlogan2032
    @timesnewlogan2032 5 месяцев назад +1959

    "Candidates used to respect each other."
    -NYT, 2024
    "You hatchet-faced nutmeg dealer!"
    -Stephen A. Douglas, 1858, to Abraham Lincoln

    • @JGmoney88
      @JGmoney88 5 месяцев назад +137

      Douglas really used the “this guy sold me fentanyl in high school” roast 😂

    • @timesnewlogan2032
      @timesnewlogan2032 5 месяцев назад +125

      @@JGmoney88 To his credit, Lincoln could fire back. When accused of being two-faced, he replied “If I had two faces, do you really think I’d wear this one?”

    • @user-kl6ef1tn5g
      @user-kl6ef1tn5g 5 месяцев назад +25

      @@timesnewlogan2032Not from a President but Lincoln’s quip reminded me of “If I picked my nose, I wouldn’t have picked this one”.

    • @timesnewlogan2032
      @timesnewlogan2032 5 месяцев назад

      @@user-kl6ef1tn5g Ha! I’ll have to remember that one!

    • @RickJaeger
      @RickJaeger 5 месяцев назад +14

      Yes, candidates also used to disrespect each other. But we did not make a national spectacle of it. We didn't encourage it. We didn't laud it. Everyone considered it "dirty," something you did but did shamefully. I don't think there's any shame attached to it anymore.

  • @luisbernal7689
    @luisbernal7689 8 месяцев назад +28089

    The media has a LOT of responsibility for the polarization and extremism in ideology these days. It’s your fault NYT.

    • @geenkaas6380
      @geenkaas6380 8 месяцев назад +1

      It is the fault of Fox News

    • @GIboy1990
      @GIboy1990 8 месяцев назад +539

      Thank you. It's literally only the media's fault

    • @johnjohnfofohniam
      @johnjohnfofohniam 8 месяцев назад +459

      I find it hilarious that a company driven by drama is complaining about it. You take the drama way, you're left with a blank front page from the NYT.

    • @Justin-ee1mv
      @Justin-ee1mv 8 месяцев назад +1

      American brain rot spreading worldwide, Sad to see

    • @matsab7930
      @matsab7930 8 месяцев назад

      Yeah sure, not the utterly unhinged reality tv show star-turned president, Donald trump…
      People never want to take responsibility for anything these days. Polarisation isn’t the fault of the media; people wanting everything to be sensational is the root cause. People voted trump because he was entertaining, loud and charismatic; not because his ideas were even remotely good.

  • @crabman3722
    @crabman3722 6 месяцев назад +6774

    The fact that this is coming from NYT is an irony of the highest order.

    • @amyh9512
      @amyh9512 6 месяцев назад +27

      How so

    • @ivanthecheese9119
      @ivanthecheese9119 6 месяцев назад +77

      @@amyh9512cause they are a liberal media

    • @detoxfidelity
      @detoxfidelity 6 месяцев назад +74

      @@ivanthecheese9119The media isn’t a monolith, if TV news disappeared today it would be a great financial windfall for The NY Times.

    • @timmmahhhh
      @timmmahhhh 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@ivanthecheese9119 it's unfortunate you don't understand the hypocrisy of your claim but that's what con ser vac rap media has done to you and the OP.

    • @Buttercup697
      @Buttercup697 6 месяцев назад +21

      @@ivanthecheese9119 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OK comrade 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @jesusacosta5176
    @jesusacosta5176 5 месяцев назад +252

    "would you shut up man" best line of any debate 😆😆

    • @joeysavino385
      @joeysavino385 Месяц назад +6

      He’s a zombie how is that the best

    • @imnotaracistokay
      @imnotaracistokay Месяц назад +8

      ​@@joeysavino385 he's talking about the line, not the old geezer

    • @Underfaker09
      @Underfaker09 Месяц назад

      Alr unc

    • @MEx2
      @MEx2 Месяц назад

      ​@@joeysavino385Just because you like something someone said doesn't mean you like them (and it was obviously a joke you nitwit)

    • @ebonaparte3853
      @ebonaparte3853 Месяц назад +1

      @@joeysavino385Your point is?

  • @rochelle2269
    @rochelle2269 5 месяцев назад +131

    And the media used to be honest.

    • @BrianaT.
      @BrianaT. Месяц назад +5

      yes because propaganda hasn’t been used since Napoleon

    • @ykjdob
      @ykjdob Месяц назад

      ​@@BrianaT. They invented blame to exonerate Trump, but we all know that the polarization and disrespect that took over American politics was his fault.

    • @TheAmazingPeterB
      @TheAmazingPeterB 16 дней назад

      Your comment is added to the list of reasons why we can’t get along
      You are not helping 💀

  • @benjaminmorris4962
    @benjaminmorris4962 6 месяцев назад +1302

    "Candidates used to respect each other" 😂 *Andrew Jackson has entered the chat*

    • @thursday4267
      @thursday4267 6 месяцев назад +36

      Back in the good ole days

    • @jmacg610
      @jmacg610 6 месяцев назад +76

      Dueling was incredibly respectful.

    • @AnnoyingAllie3
      @AnnoyingAllie3 6 месяцев назад +15

      I mean, that's why people didn't really like him

    • @benjaminmorris4962
      @benjaminmorris4962 6 месяцев назад +30

      @@AnnoyingAllie3 He wasn't the only one throwing insults. The most nasty ones were insults and false accusations against him and his wife

    • @BoojieD
      @BoojieD 6 месяцев назад +9

      Oh, OK. I guess Andrew Jackson was a bad person. Therefore, it’s acceptable to have crappy debates where nothing of value gets said. #logic

  • @jeremiekonegni4957
    @jeremiekonegni4957 6 месяцев назад +846

    It's no longer a debate. It's just an argument

    • @lucristianx
      @lucristianx 6 месяцев назад +15

      That’s literally what a debate is

    • @jeremiekonegni4957
      @jeremiekonegni4957 6 месяцев назад +42

      @@lucristianx sorry. I mean it's more like a fight and it seems quite juvenile and unprofessional.

    • @lucristianx
      @lucristianx 6 месяцев назад

      @@jeremiekonegni4957 got it

    • @MrTrevortxeartxe
      @MrTrevortxeartxe 5 месяцев назад +28

      ​​@@lucristianxthere's an _obvious_ difference between a "debate" and an "argument." Everyone knows that, don't start with semantics tomfoolery.

    • @EddieSterling-xy6kx
      @EddieSterling-xy6kx 5 месяцев назад +5

      Well the moderators use to be unbiased and neutral. Soon as that ship sailed it became a name calling contest.

  • @nekkoskrilla6750
    @nekkoskrilla6750 5 месяцев назад +11

    How embarrassing society has become.

  • @Northern_Ireland
    @Northern_Ireland Месяц назад +6

    Debates have not aged well

  • @stevewadman4166
    @stevewadman4166 6 месяцев назад +2717

    You know it's bad when the current generation of politicians make Nixon look like a boy scout

    • @BishopWalters12
      @BishopWalters12 6 месяцев назад

      LOL true and Bill Clinton getting BJs in the Oval office doesn't seem as big now compared to what is going in DC today.

    • @thomasgormly6941
      @thomasgormly6941 6 месяцев назад

      If you look at the impeachment statistics of recent political figures, removal of office after impeachment was a matter of saving face and impeachment was not the badge of honor it is today.

    • @GhostofJamesMadison
      @GhostofJamesMadison 5 месяцев назад +145

      Growing up is realizing Nixon was the good guy

    • @Ray_Cism
      @Ray_Cism 5 месяцев назад +30

      @@GhostofJamesMadisonnah he got rid of gold standard

    • @Hndsmstrngr1
      @Hndsmstrngr1 5 месяцев назад

      Yeah not only did he take away precious precious metals to back up our currency. He also signed the HMO bill which allowed his buddy Kaiser of Kaiser Permanente Insurance to be able to become a for-profit medical insurance company. 50 years ago most hospitals non-profit as well as the medical insurance companies. So Nixon signed the HMO Bill he made medicine a for-profit industry and that's how these parasitic ghouls stand between you and your doctors and your health care and your life expectancy. Nixon was a paranoid piece of s***

  • @codingvio7383
    @codingvio7383 6 месяцев назад +2651

    I wish debates were actually debates and not a room full of children screaming and interrupting each other.

    • @bobbyadkins6983
      @bobbyadkins6983 6 месяцев назад +59

      Don't insult children like that. 😉

    • @drippyspaff7616
      @drippyspaff7616 6 месяцев назад +11

      But that’s not what the average American tunes in for, they want blood.

    • @bobbyadkins6983
      @bobbyadkins6983 6 месяцев назад +26

      @@drippyspaff7616 A lot of people are sick of it.

    • @drippyspaff7616
      @drippyspaff7616 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@bobbyadkins6983 then they should stop voting for these people?

    • @Otaku073
      @Otaku073 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@bobbyadkins6983why podcasts with long form conversations without constant interruptions have become popular

  • @maggie0285
    @maggie0285 5 месяцев назад +42

    Social media is changing how we treat each other and what's acceptable

  • @munimathbypeterfelton6251
    @munimathbypeterfelton6251 29 дней назад +4

    Political debates now are like online battles in the flesh.

  • @butlernov2006
    @butlernov2006 6 месяцев назад +615

    The problem was when we started celebritizing presidents instead of holding them all to higher standards.

    • @jessicawall5801
      @jessicawall5801 5 месяцев назад +4

      I mean, I think that didn't help. But there is a lot more that has brought us to this point.

    • @Elrond_Hubbard_1
      @Elrond_Hubbard_1 4 месяца назад

      We literally voted for a reality TV star to run the country for 4 years, and he very well may win again.
      I don't like Biden, but man, reality TV star president? That is as low as it goes.

    • @rh1507
      @rh1507 3 месяца назад +5

      Now I wasn't born till 10 years after he was assassinated but was it during JFK that the President was looked at more like a celebrity?

    • @nekad2000
      @nekad2000 3 месяца назад +1

      So nobody celebrated George Washington? That's ridiculous.

    • @RoofingFacts
      @RoofingFacts Месяц назад +1

      See it sounds like a good point until you ask what candidate you mean.
      Are you talking about how Bill leaned to the left? Maybe you're talking about Tricky Dicky? Maybe you're talking about the assistant Secretary of everything else?
      You see the problem is, there has always been a steady decline. This decline accelerates as the ability for news to travel has accelerated. If you're in your twenties and thirties, you will think only the last few elections call mom as you saw the rapid acceleration caused by the internet and the rise of social media. When the news went from 2-3x a day to a race to report everything within the hour.
      BUT if you're in your 40s and 50s, you will have seen the change as the news became more popular with more options in who to watch, and national broadcasts becoming more and more popular as opposed to small scale local broadcasts. But if you lived earlier you might recall when TVs weren't common in homes, and daily newspapers were relied on. Limitations on story sizes meant they chose to only feature the best items. Imagine even further back when news might take days to travel instead of overnight?
      Now we live in an age with 24/7 news, unlimited availability to deliver news internationally with an seemingly infinite number of sources, getting to watch events live that could take weeks or months to learn of in centuries past.
      Yes, we've seen a moral and ethical decline, and yes the media is partially to blame but so are the people. It is a natural progression, but is also that the world is only now starting to see what's been there.

  • @Infinitefire-w3
    @Infinitefire-w3 7 месяцев назад +3804

    "would you shut up man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @IItzCaptain
      @IItzCaptain 6 месяцев назад +171

      Legendary comeback!

    • @detectivesi8647
      @detectivesi8647 6 месяцев назад +224

      Can't blame the man

    • @someguy787
      @someguy787 6 месяцев назад +162

      ​@@IItzCaptain first sentence he spoke correctly since he was born!

    • @letitswissarmy
      @letitswissarmy 6 месяцев назад +211

      honestly don’t like the guy but biden was so real for that lmfao

    • @detectivesi8647
      @detectivesi8647 6 месяцев назад +129

      @@letitswissarmy facts. It was like he was dealing with a 5 year old 🤣

  • @briannehawks613
    @briannehawks613 5 месяцев назад +36

    I remember my grandfather telling me that the media used to also be polite and chill. He said that most interviews with politicians or even the president were held over a nice dinner or an evening drink.

  • @lannylanny8362
    @lannylanny8362 Месяц назад +2

    In Russia, the one who never joins debates, always gets “elected”.

  • @flamman5947
    @flamman5947 6 месяцев назад +2610

    Donald trump saying “wrong” is still the funniest thing lol

    • @termiusprime
      @termiusprime 6 месяцев назад +34

      "Don't be rude, don't be rude"

    • @hexagon2178
      @hexagon2178 6 месяцев назад

      His tactic is to just drown the other person with as much BS as possible not a fan of Biden but for once I agree “will you just shut up man”

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 6 месяцев назад +1

      E

    • @bill_lumbergh
      @bill_lumbergh 6 месяцев назад +18

      And he was right

    • @connorbrady5689
      @connorbrady5689 6 месяцев назад +63

      Especially because everything he says is wrong lmao

  • @kaymuldoon3575
    @kaymuldoon3575 6 месяцев назад +994

    Jimmy Carter would always refer to his opponent as “My distinguished opponent.” Always very respectful.

    • @hiawathaclemons
      @hiawathaclemons 5 месяцев назад

      That’s why he’s the longest living ex-president and will hold that record for generations to come. The scary part is if he were 10 years younger he’d still be more competent to run the country than that degenerate that’s responsible for January 6th.

    • @jeffputman3504
      @jeffputman3504 5 месяцев назад +9

      Except when he mentioned that great Democrat, Hubert Horatio Hornblower!

    • @dillpickle0075
      @dillpickle0075 5 месяцев назад +8

      @@jeffputman3504 lol i feel so bad for him for messing up on that

    • @danielheywood-allen5462
      @danielheywood-allen5462 5 месяцев назад +14

      Too bad he was the second worst president of modern times after the 46th. 😂

    • @hiawathaclemons
      @hiawathaclemons 5 месяцев назад

      @@danielheywood-allen5462 ruclips.net/video/5hfYJsQAhl0/видео.htmlsi=ODH2UN7uMku6wX_X

  • @romeolongoria8730
    @romeolongoria8730 5 месяцев назад +13

    Then came Donald and saved us all

    • @ykjdob
      @ykjdob Месяц назад +8

      He really saved us from intelligence and respect for others. These things are very dangerous these days.

    • @TheAmazingPeterB
      @TheAmazingPeterB 16 дней назад +1

      @@ykjdobYou are right

    • @TheAmazingPeterB
      @TheAmazingPeterB 16 дней назад

      @romeolongoria8730 You’re boyfriend relies more on big corporations than the candidates from the democrat party to pretend he is trying to “make America great again”, he has no respect for anyone, he lies, cheats on his own wife and is not helping the individuals, it’s primarily about the wealthy according to his policies, and really he only cares about himself and the republican party cannot see it 💀

  • @TitusTheTiny
    @TitusTheTiny Месяц назад +3

    We have no class.. it’s humiliating

  • @WhiteRanger1298
    @WhiteRanger1298 6 месяцев назад +284

    If you notice Obama wasnt comfortable addressing the other candidate directly and it was the "News" that changed the game and how its played.

    • @emilmedellin4525
      @emilmedellin4525 5 месяцев назад

      In that Obama - Romney Debate (2012), candidate Jill Stein (Green Party) was handcuffed and shackled to a chair in an undisclosed location along with her VP candidate - Cheri Honkala - for 8 hours for the "crime" of attempting to participate in said debate which she recieved U.S. tax payer govt. matching funds expressly for. She was told it was "a private event" ... the U.S. Presidential Debate.

  • @ru5ty829
    @ru5ty829 9 месяцев назад +6132

    Thanks for pointing out the idiocy behind both parties NYTimes.

    • @DividedKingdom
      @DividedKingdom 9 месяцев назад +35

      @ANIMATIONWEB3delusional take

    • @foolishprod
      @foolishprod 9 месяцев назад +14

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@DividedKingdomnot really
      Edit: it’s the Dems btw

    • @bloxer9563
      @bloxer9563 9 месяцев назад +48

      ​@@foolishprodkeep yourself divided, it's the same party

    • @dengar96
      @dengar96 9 месяцев назад +8

      ​@foolishprod sorry, who did yall vote in as speaker? And what did you do to him? That's not idiocy?

    • @foolishprod
      @foolishprod 9 месяцев назад

      @@dengar96 the fact that we had the balls to actually take accountability and fixed a mistake? Ya you guys are real good at not doing that and holding office with the worst person possible for as long as possible (ex: Nancy Pelosi). And now that we made the switch to someone 10x more aggressive and 10x less likely to agree with Biden, this country is one step closer to having freedom again and you can’t stand it.

  • @angelsandoval3251
    @angelsandoval3251 5 месяцев назад +7

    Then came Donald trump but you show Joe Biden telling another canidate to shut up. These outlets never cease to amaze me

  • @trique9776
    @trique9776 5 месяцев назад +16

    Politicians are a reflection of the people because they elect the political candidates. Don’t blame the politican, blame the people.

    • @firegirl2202
      @firegirl2202 Месяц назад +1

      I would agree with you if America's system wasn't designed the way it was.
      The electoral colleges can outright ignore what their state has chosen
      The fact that it's counted by state instead of district is also weird since it just ignores people's voices
      And there isn't many valid options beside democrats and republicans
      In a system like Australia's for instance where ranked voting exists
      Or if it went by district like Canada's
      Then I could agree with you
      The way the votes are counted are also important and should be noted when it comes to america
      And one day, honestly, I hope america can get its system changed so there's better variety to represent them ((i hope the same for Canada))
      The one thing I do like about American politics is the fact you vote on every level, I wish Canada would adopt that instead of just voting for mayors/premiers/prime ministers
      Cause everything else being appointed sucks
      Again maybe one day

    • @aitormenta3633
      @aitormenta3633 Месяц назад

      ​@@firegirl2202 WHAT?! You guys don't have legislative elections? That's nonsense!

  • @warrenpaine
    @warrenpaine 9 месяцев назад +3867

    "I knew President Kennedy. President Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no John Kennedy."

    • @porkyminchasc1150
      @porkyminchasc1150 8 месяцев назад +102

      jack Kennedy*

    • @jeffersondeleon925
      @jeffersondeleon925 6 месяцев назад +12

      @@porkyminchasc1150his first name is indeed John Fitzgerald Kennedy !! But I like calling him jack too

    • @porkyminchasc1150
      @porkyminchasc1150 6 месяцев назад +57

      @@jeffersondeleon925 no, I'm saying that in the quote he was referencing, the quote was "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy"

    • @Goflames297
      @Goflames297 6 месяцев назад

      🧢

    • @porkyminchasc1150
      @porkyminchasc1150 6 месяцев назад

      @@Goflames297 ruclips.net/video/_iDn6ndavA0/видео.htmlsi=DhZI6eho55ivciGa

  • @legendarywiimaster
    @legendarywiimaster 9 месяцев назад +2671

    Obama did have respect for McCain, as Obama was actually at his funeral.

    • @dengar96
      @dengar96 9 месяцев назад +347

      Because McCain had respect for Obama and our electoral processes.

    • @matthewyates3230
      @matthewyates3230 9 месяцев назад +69

      More like they were both a member of the uniparty@@dengar96

    • @stephengeraghty5358
      @stephengeraghty5358 8 месяцев назад

      More like Obama wanted to make sure he got buried

    • @baymaxc1647
      @baymaxc1647 8 месяцев назад

      Rubbish

    • @Versagenn
      @Versagenn 8 месяцев назад +9

      he’s dead?!

  • @gary_neilson1896
    @gary_neilson1896 5 месяцев назад +2

    Gee, I wonder who started the disrespect trend...?

  • @MustacheCashStash125
    @MustacheCashStash125 4 месяца назад +2

    Donald Trump is the type of guy who reads the terms and conditions and clicks “I disagree”

  • @deangreen2567
    @deangreen2567 6 месяцев назад +1571

    Lots of people blame Donald Trump here, but let’s be totally honest, the media jumped on his back way more than any other presidential candidate from the get-go.

    • @Daniel-mq3nf
      @Daniel-mq3nf 6 месяцев назад +44

      Bingo

    • @edwardschulte9230
      @edwardschulte9230 6 месяцев назад +177

      Okay but any other presidential candidate didn't run their mouths nearly as much or continually spout easily disproven "facts" over and over again. I'm not for any candidate but you can't honestly tell me he didn't deserve that.

    • @AJeziorski1967
      @AJeziorski1967 6 месяцев назад +95

      Every presidential candidate is subject to scrutiny from the media and from political opponents, and if there's anything to criticize, then it will be exposed and criticized. The difference with Trump was that there is SO much genuinely wrong with him. If the media appeared to "jump on his back way more than any other presidential candidate", it's because they had good reason to. And now, even more so.

    • @deangreen2567
      @deangreen2567 6 месяцев назад

      @@AJeziorski1967 “if there’s anything to criticise, then it will be exposed’. Is that so? Joe Biden is CLEARLY mentally unfit for the role of president. The man has some form of dementia without doubt.
      His son has been embroiled in a scandal for how many years regarding (now proven) funding he has received from Ukrainian and Chinese foreign interests. Joe Biden refuted these claims years ago, and has now been proven to have lied.
      Then there’s the issue of the infamous laptop, which doesn’t get called out all that often does it.

    • @MrKumi
      @MrKumi 6 месяцев назад +52

      @@edwardschulte9230so true dude but when Joe Biden eats ice cream nobody bats an eye. If it was Donald trump the headlines would be wild. Remember when he went golfing one time and the media freaked out? Lmao. Joe fell off his bike and nobody raised any questions about his cognitive decline?

  • @eliastafolla2538
    @eliastafolla2538 8 месяцев назад +1917

    Also back then NY Times wasn’t as full of BS as it is now

    • @user_0088
      @user_0088 7 месяцев назад +36

      it was always bs they just stop trying recently

    • @EseEsKaliman
      @EseEsKaliman 6 месяцев назад

      Our politicians don't want to end none of the problems facing this country because it brings in votes and attention that's why almost all politicians are basically extremists doing absolutely nothing, our political parties might aswell be companies that choose who can be president because the only difference between them is which elites and corporations they work and lobby for but people love to eat the bs they feed us on both sides, no one wants to admit their party has lied to us

    • @BassOfSpades2112
      @BassOfSpades2112 6 месяцев назад +8

      I’m “libral” and I can’t stand ny times. I usually read the guardian

    • @danielklink9814
      @danielklink9814 6 месяцев назад

      I believe it was the NYT that once ran a communist propaganda piece for the soviet union... that was quite a long time ago. So, no

    • @donnertang9319
      @donnertang9319 6 месяцев назад

      Wdym

  • @TerraGlide
    @TerraGlide 3 месяца назад +5

    Sure just cherry pick the exceptions and show it as facts.

  • @rtaj247
    @rtaj247 5 месяцев назад +4

    By the way who said ‘Shut up!’ … yes it was Joe.

    • @rome5628
      @rome5628 Месяц назад +1

      He isn't use to the rude society. So he scoop to his level.

    • @shutupandeaturgrass8872
      @shutupandeaturgrass8872 Месяц назад +2

      sometimes the dog bark too many times you'd tell it to shut up too
      despite the dog dont understand human language

  • @Turkolini
    @Turkolini 6 месяцев назад +43

    I'm so glad the media companies helped push the Culture war that divided us

    • @amyh9512
      @amyh9512 6 месяцев назад

      Examples?

    • @mikicerise6250
      @mikicerise6250 6 месяцев назад +1

      Clicks! We get clicks! Ad revenue nom nom!!!!!! Money in Switzerland, just in case...

  • @tyler3876
    @tyler3876 6 месяцев назад +1554

    Love how NYT ignores both the radicalization of mainstream politics and their profiting off of sensationalism.
    We wouldn’t be here without your actions

    • @christianjensen952
      @christianjensen952 6 месяцев назад +15

      It's there because people love to hear Trump call other people names. This isn't on the news outlets, it's people who tune into these news that are at fault, for example MAGA voters.

    • @signaturedetailaz
      @signaturedetailaz 6 месяцев назад +27

      @@christianjensen952🤣 somebody’s a cnn fan

    • @christianjensen952
      @christianjensen952 6 месяцев назад

      @@signaturedetailaz I'm Danish bud, but we suffer from your stupidity.

    • @Redstoner34526
      @Redstoner34526 6 месяцев назад

      This didn't start because of Trump, it started because of these media companies@@christianjensen952

    • @iMajoraGaming
      @iMajoraGaming 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@signaturedetailaz drrrr...rrt.. cnn.... got...em....

  • @Steve197201
    @Steve197201 5 месяцев назад +4

    Imagine if debates were conducted in the format of the Lincoln-Douglas debates?

  • @cloudyintel
    @cloudyintel 26 дней назад +1

    Trump 2024 Let's GOOOO

  • @TheMarkOlsonShow
    @TheMarkOlsonShow 9 месяцев назад +2314

    The window was opened with Bush
    The door with Obama
    Trump came and the whole foundation was blown away

    • @stephengeraghty5358
      @stephengeraghty5358 8 месяцев назад +92

      I agree Obama fault

    • @JYB245
      @JYB245 8 месяцев назад +1

      Biden tried to rebuild it

    • @HELLOOOOOOO00
      @HELLOOOOOOO00 8 месяцев назад +167

      ​@@stephengeraghty5358no it was Trump's fault

    • @stephengeraghty5358
      @stephengeraghty5358 8 месяцев назад +125

      @@HELLOOOOOOO00 "nO iTs TrUmPs FaUlT" ☝️🤓

    • @validenough
      @validenough 8 месяцев назад +38

      ​@@HELLOOOOOOO00I agree Obama's fault🤭

  • @mainelymadagain9405
    @mainelymadagain9405 6 месяцев назад +40

    And journalists used to be about reporting the truth.

  • @scoopidywhoop7484
    @scoopidywhoop7484 9 дней назад +1

    Thank you, NYT, it’s all because of orange man.

  • @ghostface0007
    @ghostface0007 5 месяцев назад +1

    Trump 2024 🇺🇸

  • @KuromiDarklord
    @KuromiDarklord 6 месяцев назад +216

    "Would you shut up man" is my favorite Biden Momento.

    • @agentbertmacklin9880
      @agentbertmacklin9880 6 месяцев назад

      Best moment lol beyond that it’s all cognitive decline and dementia

    • @christopherwellman2364
      @christopherwellman2364 6 месяцев назад

      What's a "momento"?

    • @andressoto739
      @andressoto739 6 месяцев назад +1

      Momento: Spanish for moment.
      Apparently, it's the OPs favorite Biden moment.

    • @beeoverlord1881
      @beeoverlord1881 6 месяцев назад +17

      My favorite Biden moment is when he said he didn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle!!

    • @sigmazeta8
      @sigmazeta8 6 месяцев назад +1

      Saying that probably won him the election

  • @justinakers3196
    @justinakers3196 9 месяцев назад +793

    Yeah. It is a disgrace. We used to have class.

    • @tiffanyroberts6460
      @tiffanyroberts6460 9 месяцев назад +44

      We used to not demonise the leading candidate with lies and propaganda or try to destroy his campaign with false charges

    • @justinakers3196
      @justinakers3196 9 месяцев назад

      @tiffanyroberts6460 i think people are just desperate to keep an unqualified candidate out of office

    • @cjuare123
      @cjuare123 9 месяцев назад +28

      Thanks to Trump. He’s a double edged sword for politics

    • @WormStomperTV
      @WormStomperTV 9 месяцев назад +25

      ​@@tiffanyroberts6460We used to respect the actual President. The right has eliminated that whole notion, right down the drain.

    • @tiffanyroberts6460
      @tiffanyroberts6460 9 месяцев назад +12

      @@cjuare123 the double edged sword of being a great president and exposing how broken the system is and those who have spent the last 50 years breaking it.

  • @Diabolicgoat
    @Diabolicgoat 5 месяцев назад +1

    Im all for respect where its due, unfortunately there hasnt been a democratic nominee in some time that has deserved any.

  • @brookskay5352
    @brookskay5352 6 месяцев назад +88

    The good 'ole days of civil discourse. I won't even watch a debate anymore. It's embarrassing and pathetic.

    • @Alec-ib9qg
      @Alec-ib9qg 6 месяцев назад +10

      Agreed! We all agree and disagree on things but that doesn’t mean we need to make a scene. Sometimes it feels like America is at another civil war

    • @TSpring94
      @TSpring94 5 месяцев назад +6

      All you learn from these gongshows anymore is who's louder. I view them as entertainment, watching people double my age with Ivy League degrees act half my age.

  • @polkarou3572
    @polkarou3572 6 месяцев назад +61

    Back when they would debate policy and not trash talk each other

  • @helmutharthur3662
    @helmutharthur3662 Месяц назад +1

    Oh right they killed eachother... Civilwar and so on

  • @White-zi5pb
    @White-zi5pb 5 месяцев назад +1

    Can’t help but love Trump in debates, it’s hilarious

  • @rytlocknroll
    @rytlocknroll 6 месяцев назад +137

    Everyone argues like a child for 30 minutes and we just pick who screams the loudest.

    • @Hillary4SupremeRuler
      @Hillary4SupremeRuler 5 месяцев назад +5

      45-"No. WRONG. No you!!!"
      MAGA -"wow he totally OWNED her"
      🙄

    • @humbirdms2784
      @humbirdms2784 5 месяцев назад

      ​@Hillary4SupremeRuler its better then ole poo poo pants joe

    • @razer_the_red_lantern
      @razer_the_red_lantern 5 месяцев назад

      Fr. Nowadays, we choose the winner of the debate by whose clips are most viral on the internet for the next week.

    • @DrummerJacob
      @DrummerJacob 4 месяца назад

      Thats absolutely NOT how it happens.
      If thats your thought process, youre a problem.

    • @DrummerJacob
      @DrummerJacob 4 месяца назад

      @@Hillary4SupremeRuler Yeah, it had nothing to do with the substance of the discussion at all.
      Thats how you demonize half the country, by creating caricatures of them that have no relation to reality.

  • @MrGeoSim
    @MrGeoSim 6 месяцев назад +37

    The NY Times actually thinks this all began when candidates could address each other instead of the moderator. BAHAHAHAHAHA! 😂😂

  • @TheRealBizWiz
    @TheRealBizWiz 5 месяцев назад

    *Interrupting doesn’t make you right.*

  • @Paloweigh
    @Paloweigh Месяц назад

    Top 10 reasons why I hate corrupt news stations:

  • @ronberman8947
    @ronberman8947 6 месяцев назад +35

    " What's this clown doing? " " Will you shut up man " Best line ever...Biden took the words right out of my mouth!!

    • @dylprof
      @dylprof 5 месяцев назад +4

      Clearest thing he’s said in 10 years

  • @rodeye2
    @rodeye2 5 месяцев назад +108

    If I was called a liar and I wasn't, I'd come out fighting too

    • @shamrock73
      @shamrock73 5 месяцев назад +17

      The problem is they're all liers

    • @gavochino
      @gavochino 2 месяца назад +1

      @@shamrock73not literally

    • @cartergomez5390
      @cartergomez5390 Месяц назад

      They have always lied to win the debates but now there’s no respect 🫡

    • @OskarSvan
      @OskarSvan Месяц назад +4

      @@gavochinovery literally

  • @CONNAITRELAUSTRALIE
    @CONNAITRELAUSTRALIE Месяц назад

    Now people think democracy and freedom of speech is being mean.

  • @ethane-dawgwenger4207
    @ethane-dawgwenger4207 5 месяцев назад +2

    I wish politicians today acted professionally like this today. Now, it's constant bickering like children on the playground during recess.

  • @_fango_
    @_fango_ 6 месяцев назад +125

    “Stop yapping buddy”
    -Joe Biden 2020

  • @ybesc2917
    @ybesc2917 9 месяцев назад +592

    I think when they trash each other on stage it shows us how they're actually mostly failures in office tbh.

    • @Sanyu-Tumusiime
      @Sanyu-Tumusiime 9 месяцев назад +4

      TRUMP 2024 he didn't debate.

    • @Kisha_can
      @Kisha_can 9 месяцев назад +27

      ​@@Sanyu-TumusiimeBecause he doesn't know what he's talking about 😂😂

    • @Sanyu-Tumusiime
      @Sanyu-Tumusiime 9 месяцев назад

      TRUMP poll numbers went up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@Kisha_can

    • @cogandball
      @cogandball 9 месяцев назад

      ​@Sanyu-Tumusiime that's why he didn't use insults last election or the one before that

    • @bloxer9563
      @bloxer9563 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@Sanyu-Tumusiimespam your slogans 🥶

  • @rachitsingh2420
    @rachitsingh2420 4 месяца назад +1

    Fckoff ny times

  • @SuperSalad7
    @SuperSalad7 Месяц назад +1

    I'd rather vote for Nixon than Dump or barely there Biden.

  • @charlesreed6460
    @charlesreed6460 9 месяцев назад +594

    ...the 2016 debates were absolute gold!😂

    • @Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot
      @Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot 8 месяцев назад +25

      Yeah, especially how Trump actually had some good points.

    • @frogtofall
      @frogtofall 8 месяцев назад +49

      @@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotWhich ones? The “Lock Her Up” one? Bc he’s not too fond of that one now… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @notmysteriousthief4629
      @notmysteriousthief4629 7 месяцев назад +25

      @@frogtofall I don't know, maybe the criticism of hilarie's support for the free trade agreements which have costed americans jobs, criticism of her not being hard line on crime, which is the most damaging part to minorities despite what democrats, the ones keeping them in poverty, are saying.
      Do your own research instead of relying on people on the internet or big news sites. You'll thank yourself later for making that decision.

    • @Kiddflash02
      @Kiddflash02 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@notmysteriousthief4629 Ehh, a lot of what you just said is not 100% true, although Hilary is a demon

    • @chrislama5763
      @chrislama5763 7 месяцев назад +5

      I’d say they were more of a joke… it’s not meant to be a tv show.

  • @aaronhebblewhite6929
    @aaronhebblewhite6929 6 месяцев назад +41

    My dad said that back in his day, it was normal for two candidates to argue against each other, then go get a steak afterward.
    Oh, how the times have changed...:(

  • @G1948K
    @G1948K Месяц назад +1

    TRUMP 24!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @ramonguerrero1093
    @ramonguerrero1093 5 месяцев назад +1

    Read the comments and you'll see how divided America is, I'd say there is not way of fixing this.

  • @willjapheth23789
    @willjapheth23789 6 месяцев назад +5

    maturity is dead. there are no adults left in the room it seems.

  • @nickrobbins7461
    @nickrobbins7461 6 месяцев назад +387

    Saying Donald Trump was the downfall of civilized debates is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’m 33 years old and cannot, in my adult life, remember ever hearing or watching a debate or political campaign that did anything except attempt to smear the credibility and reputation of the opposing candidate. And since we’re on the subject of credibility and reputation, the media as a collective has lost every shred of theirs in the last decade through political bias and sensationalism. To call it poor journalism is an insult to poor journalists everywhere.

    • @omi685
      @omi685 6 месяцев назад

      As an European I can tell you that he made the US a worldwide joke, that's for sure. The world used to take the US more seriously, even respected the US while Obama was in office... that went down the hill once Trump came along, the US became a laughing stock. Trump is considered a huge buffoon.

    • @blazoraptor3392
      @blazoraptor3392 6 месяцев назад +57

      Did you watch the video? It literally showed how it started with obama and mccain

    • @jusletursoulglobaby
      @jusletursoulglobaby 6 месяцев назад +66

      at 33 you have an incredibly short attention span and selective memory. Before they showed the clown show they pointed to things changing in 2008. how did you miss that and start complaining that the clown show doesnt mark the decline? watch the short again. pause and think before writing.

    • @kingace6186
      @kingace6186 6 месяцев назад +18

      Selective bias.
      The fact is Romney v Obama was the last decent Presidential debate.

    • @OnePlanetBelievers
      @OnePlanetBelievers 6 месяцев назад +6

      Let them hate my friend, there is nothing you have said that is wrong

  • @dementus420
    @dementus420 5 месяцев назад +2

    "Will you shutup man." 😂

  • @iamtherealsentaliium
    @iamtherealsentaliium Месяц назад

    that 'will you shut up, man?' still gets me

  • @adamziccardi2578
    @adamziccardi2578 6 месяцев назад +93

    it's YOUR fault NYT. You people write the rules! Do something!

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou 6 месяцев назад +10

      Since when does the NYT write the rules for televised debates?

    • @-smellerbee-
      @-smellerbee- 6 месяцев назад +1

      What are you talking about?

    • @exceptionary
      @exceptionary 6 месяцев назад +1

      ??????????

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou 6 месяцев назад

      I like how OP made a completely absurd comment and then just vanished.

  • @estevanproductions2064
    @estevanproductions2064 6 месяцев назад +78

    I ask anyone to look up past presidential campaigns before 1900’s Politicians have said messed up things about each other form the beginning lol.

    • @brysuagar6520
      @brysuagar6520 6 месяцев назад +14

      if I'm not wrong, they literally insulted each other's families,
      plus did things that we call pranks on each other

    • @jacksonmagas9698
      @jacksonmagas9698 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@brysuagar6520they also did things that we call assault to each other

    • @brysuagar6520
      @brysuagar6520 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@jacksonmagas9698 that too

    • @jeffbenton6183
      @jeffbenton6183 6 месяцев назад

      Today's wild politics only seem unhinged to us because we were spoiled in the mid-20th Century.

    • @amerocker
      @amerocker 6 месяцев назад +2

      Right. And the political cartoons were brutally funny.

  • @arthurpenfield8229
    @arthurpenfield8229 5 месяцев назад

    No respect anymore. Talking over each other, not getting any points across, made this legislation a complete 💩 show. I'm embarrassed to be an American nowadays.

  • @ohjoey8988
    @ohjoey8988 5 месяцев назад

    Blame Cable News! The more they divide the more money they make.

  • @DiviFilivs
    @DiviFilivs 6 месяцев назад +10

    Apparently nobody has learned about the Presidential race between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson 😂😂

    • @OutOfIdeas9977
      @OutOfIdeas9977 3 месяца назад +1

      Man, they went from being best friends to being bitter rivals and they straight up went back to being best friends again.

  • @BlueRidgePressureWash
    @BlueRidgePressureWash 8 месяцев назад +193

    lol The NY Times is just an innocent bystander in this

  • @MALTESEFALCON1
    @MALTESEFALCON1 3 месяца назад +1

    Your fault . Trump 24 baby

  • @mathyou00
    @mathyou00 Месяц назад +1

    The “will you shut up man” got me 😂 joe was not having it

  • @DeusDracones
    @DeusDracones 6 месяцев назад +30

    I wish NYT would a similar analysis on its quality and integrity with its journalism....

  • @lukeedwards7677
    @lukeedwards7677 9 месяцев назад +81

    What this clip overlooks is how much the parties themselves drifted apart over those decades, with identity politics and culture wars meaning that whatever little was still in common amongst the parties being eclipsed by the gulfs - and worsening attitudes - between the sides in question
    When your very identity is, rightly or wrongly, viewed by the other side as being inherently immoral or a threat to the nation's existence, decorum becomes an unaffordable extravagance that is detrimental to looking after the very well-being, let alone mere interests, of the people whose votes you represent
    When this is the case, can you expect anything other than complete disrespect from candidates who have been chosen by the parties' bases to 'fight' for their interests against the encroaching power of 'the other side'?

    • @program4215
      @program4215 8 месяцев назад +3

      Exactly, this is what I was going to say.

    • @dominicekezie2011
      @dominicekezie2011 8 месяцев назад

      @@program4215Then why didn’t you say it?

    • @matsab7930
      @matsab7930 8 месяцев назад

      Can we not pretend this is a ‘both sides’ thing? This is absolutely the fault of the Republican Party under Donald trump. They refuse at every possible moment to work constructively with democrats, and they are absolutely the people breaking accepted political norms which existed to maintain civility between the parties.
      I don’t think anyone can argue that the democrats have been the driving force behind polarisation in the US when you can do clearly see how things have degraded since trump’s presidency.

    • @bigjerome-wz4uo
      @bigjerome-wz4uo 7 месяцев назад +3

      And who's fault is this........ I wonder what NYTimes thinks 🤣

    • @lukeedwards7677
      @lukeedwards7677 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@bigjerome-wz4uo given which party embraced Trump, I should think the question of who cares least about decorum should be a settled question

  • @ARBCOOL07
    @ARBCOOL07 5 месяцев назад +6

    We used to have gentleman as candidates. Now we have children.

  • @kylebaird9954
    @kylebaird9954 5 месяцев назад +1

    how did i know that this video would blame trump? im not even american and i find this ridiculous

  • @rathgaberk
    @rathgaberk 8 месяцев назад +28

    This is the problem with debates. They should just focus their answer to the chair and the chair needs to take control to make sure rules are followed. It serves no one’s interest to have a go-for-all.

  • @Rocko1990
    @Rocko1990 6 месяцев назад +26

    "will you shut up man" is the closest Biden ever got to besting Trump in debate. Actually pretty funny 😂

    • @Elrond_Hubbard_1
      @Elrond_Hubbard_1 4 месяца назад +3

      The fact that you think that 'wins a debate' is exactly why we're fked.
      Blame politicians all you want - I'm blaming the public.

    • @mojambisimpson3051
      @mojambisimpson3051 4 месяца назад

      God everyone an American opens there mouth the stupidest crap flys out. You are literally part of the problem dude. American presidents are a joke nowadays, and it's horrifying that the next election is gonna be between these same clowns again.

  • @dannyberinger4634
    @dannyberinger4634 3 месяца назад +1

    Immediate follow... and Im far right

  • @bucketuser
    @bucketuser 4 месяца назад +1

    look at them admit to the uniparty in broad daylight. Even admit that Trump shattered it

  • @DanielRundellpnw833
    @DanielRundellpnw833 6 месяцев назад +7

    Tucker carlson should run a debate I wonder how that would go

  • @kameronvangilst2157
    @kameronvangilst2157 6 месяцев назад +28

    'will you shut up man!!?' perfect roast. Thanks Biden.

  • @blues713317
    @blues713317 5 месяцев назад

    Embarrassing and pathetic.

  • @bbc_junior4863
    @bbc_junior4863 Месяц назад

    Sign of the tunes we’re living in. People lack morals and respect today.

  • @DominicEnyart
    @DominicEnyart 6 месяцев назад +11

    Politicians used to fight each other with canes lol

  • @jtp824
    @jtp824 3 дня назад

    Media asks one sided questions and gets mad when the party they don't like has better answers.

  • @PrimeRcuz
    @PrimeRcuz 9 дней назад

    Wow two people that are competing for being president still have respect for each other back then That's so mind-blowing

  • @cmair77
    @cmair77 9 месяцев назад +161

    We could definitely use more decorum

    • @genghis_connie
      @genghis_connie 9 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed, but I think we need to get to human decency first.
      We should manage our expectations.

  • @johnconn3054
    @johnconn3054 8 месяцев назад +87

    NYT setting up another dodging of debates by their chosen Democrats.

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 6 месяцев назад

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  • @dutchvanderlinde5004
    @dutchvanderlinde5004 5 месяцев назад +2

    Biden called Trump a clown and I just heard it for the first time 😂

  • @dmitrypokonechny3000
    @dmitrypokonechny3000 22 дня назад

    All Americans should boycott the mainstream media.

  • @c2anti
    @c2anti 4 месяца назад

    and when they push their campaign ads they tell us why we SHOULDNT vote for one party instead of why we SHOULD vote for them

  • @nighthawk5134
    @nighthawk5134 8 месяцев назад +12

    The chase for ratings and manufactured drama is at the root of the bad information climate we live in today. Political debates should be focused on the issues and not on landing punchy insults. Moderators should go back to moderating these events.