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Watch the BBC first on iPlayer 👉 bbc.in/iPlayer-Home Fiona Bruce presents an hour of topical debate in Stoke Newington. On the panel: Theresa Villiers MP, secretary of state for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Conservative; Emily Thornberry MP, shadow foreign secretary and candidate for the Labour leadership, Labour; Trevor Phillips, businessman, broadcaster and campaigner on equality; Mike Barton, former chief constable of Durham Police; and deputy editor of the Sunday Times, Sarah Baxter.
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Police are too busy policing Twitter
eiran oconnor These kids ARE NOT afraid of the police , I don’t think it’s makes any difference if there are 100 police walking the streets or a 1000 .
Shopaholic undisputed heavy weight champion yes I agree. I also commented on something else that the quality of the police not the quantity is the biggest problem we have. That and an overly liberal justice system coupled with a lack of prison space. What a perfect storm.
Lol. The ignorance.
You can actually gather a lot of data via social media. In fact the future most warfare will be fought online. America and China are at war right now.
@@2020_Visi0n The police don't police Twitter to find drug dealers, they're only concerned with political correctness, have you offended someone's religion....
@@2020_Visi0n the police don't police Twitter to find Drug dealers they're only concerned with political correctness, have you said a naughty word, or upset someone's religious beliefs....
The honest truth is that most people don't really care. The more diverse your society, the more indifferent and apathetic the general populace. We simple have very little in common with each other.
Wrong.
Given the choice, everybody wants more freedom (in the form of time and money). Everybody wants excellent education for their kids. Everybody wants a healthy, sustainable environment for their kids to grow up in.
Unite and fight for these things and community will build itself. When a dalmatian meets a pug, they don't see colour (literally, lol) or size, or fur thickness. They just see dog. If they can figure it out then shame on us.
Extremely true. "We just have nothing in common. I can't even express how true this is.
@@2020_Visi0n how is he wrong? You just furthered his point...
@David David Tell that to your parents.
@@pisstakecentral How many multicultural friends do you have (friend, as in you know when their birthday is)? How many countries have you visited? How many languages do you speak?
If you truly have a deep understanding of other cultures then perhaps your view would have value. Otherwise you may as well be farting into the wind mate, because no one cares what you think.
As an African I would prefer to see these Africans holding their native governments accountable in their country than questioning the governments of their host countries. Your governments failed you at home hence why you fled abroad. If you had this same energy to hold African governments accountable back home you wouldn't be in the Uk dealing with knife crime. But what do I know?
Where are you now? Do you question your government?
@@2020_Visi0n where I am is none of your damn business just know that I am not one of those africans who saves themselves and leaves their country behind for who to better?
@@RoniForeva May God bless you.
@Roni
Agree. But don't forget the "pull factor". The capitalist system extracts the brightest Africans from their homelands - with the bonus that all the costs of raising these African migrants are born by the host nations.
Stalin sent educated and politically motivated people to the Gulags so his thugs could control Russia.
The intellectual rape of Africa by the West is having the same effect.
@Mellivora Capensis so true
BBC tell us how it's our fault. Tell us why London is emptying of the English? Why are they leaving?
Ofir lets not for get too that London is a shit hole made worse by allowing more scum to go there,
@@kedro2152 your 100% correct london is now londonstan
Tell us why you're racist. Does your mum know you're a racist?
See? I can make up stuff too👍
Merryoldsole far from it ! my sister has a black boyfriend, I have Indian hindu friends who I like very much the list goes on, they work contribute to the the uk, yr card is well out dated,
@@kedro2152 Sister has a black boyfriend? Not many brothers have black gfs, I wonder why? Any idea why the English are leaving London?
It's immigration to blame. We're importing this culture
@One Creator and this is why this problem will never ever be resolved because if you say the truth you get accused of being called a racist
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Never to this level. My black friends in London blame the Somalis for it.
Blair Robert
I think hooligan running battles in towns and cities across the uk for two decades is pretty extreme.
The murder rate in Glasgow was pretty grim too.
Plus this whole London thing is fuelled by social media beef and high profile music, which really amps up the tension.
As far as Somalis are concerned, the roots of this issue is from way before they arrived.
I don’t think it’s about “blaming” any particular group.
It’s like a virus/drug...it’s very intoxicating, very addictive and very contagious for certain young people.
I’m not pretending I have all the answers, but somehow it’s more about getting to the root of the disease than getting rid of specific groups.
There’s a whole generation (or two) that have grown up with no real home structure. No sense of hierarchy or discipline or obligation to anyone or anything except their own basic instincts. Boys who become “men” much too quickly.
Plus there are many kids who are creative and intelligent inside but feel they have to act like a “G” so that no one will step on them.
This thing is close to my heart. My own son at 17 was dealing, carrying a blade and pretty soon on his way to prison or worse.
I had been working abroad a while and it slipped by me.
Thank God I had the means to take him out of his postcode and to S.America for a while and he slowly, with love and attention came out of his shell. He now has two beautiful daughters and a great wife and works hard for his money.
@One Creator I look at this Tory MP on the panel and think what the hell does she know about this
The least peaceful areas of the UK have the the most diversity.
Brits have been fleeing them en masse since Tony Blairs Labour started importing immigrant voters.
When a man attacks another man with a machete he’s trying to kill him. Until you charge a man correctly, sentence a man and keep him in for the full sentence then we’ll be talking about it for the next ten years, just like the last ten years. Stop talking and start doing.
Nahhh tbf machete ain't for killing
Jails are no punishment,prisoners have it easy in these so called prisons. Punishment is needed. Start with no electricity no hot water hot food and yes the full sentence no time of for good behaviour..
@@jokimaguire5045 that's bulls hit bruv. When's last time time went jail? Fuckin ruthless in there everyone's on mamba or getting cut
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@@jama6885 prison is fucked granted, but it should be about reforming people who are likely to get out and back into society.
It will never alter. Young boys & men need a strong father figure to enable them to channel their immature, adolescent compulsions into more sophisticated traits. The family has been much diminished, the black family has been destroyed.
Putting a few more coppers on the beat or opening a youth centre will do nothing.
@Mellivora Capensis Well, to quote another woman 370 years ago "And if he be a sot or a drunkard, what then?" Or, indeed, a gangster. In Glasgow, the cultures and identiity of the gangs is handed down generation to generation. The great- grandfathers of today's gangs were in the same gangs in their time. All that's new is that the active identity and culture is sometimes now passed to daughters as well as sons.
single mothered child here, you are absolutely correct.
You can blame a lot of that on feminism. In fact most of it.
@@KillerWhale99 high IQ comment.
@@pisstakecentral Thank you
Don’t let them in the country in the first place problem solved
D Fez I’m sure most of them we’re born here
Accelerationist i was born here....were you?
Accelerationist what do you mean it doesn’t matter ?!
why do u believe that’s it’s only people who are immigrants that cause problems ?
@Accelerationist Explain 90s Glasgow
There is one big elephant in the room, Political Correctness. The Politicians the Media and to some extent the Police are all complicit repeating "young people" endlessly when they know full well what groups are mainly involved in these crimes. The first speaker, touched on it very delicately and diplomatically but that's not enough.
Exactly, its black youths.
Why is it whenever you hear a news report about a stabbing or mugging, you know straight away they're going to be black.
That not being racist, that just stating a fact...
The BBC did a huge report on knife crime on their news site a couple of years ago. After reading couple of lines, it became clear that the article was more concerned about discounting the obvious link between black youth and stabbings. And the problem will never be tackled if try to tiptoe around facts
Plus most come from single parent homes, a statistic that is a constant with criminality the world over, it's not the only determining factor but it is a massively important one hence this continual hand wringing about youth clubs, and the need for male role models to stop these kids going astray, yet guess what if their dads were around, we wouldn't need local authorities to play proxy fathers.
It’s some black youths. Not all black youths. People are quick to profile everyone in a bad light. It’s sad
There’s no waste In nature My comment has nothing to do with colour.I saw a discussion recently about knife crime in London where it was stated that 80% of the stabbings are from Somali youths in gangs, that is not in my book a few. They also discussed the fact that they were mainly lads from single parent families. If they were white and from Iceland, I would still be making the same comment. We have to get to the root of the problem to solve it and with such a large common denominator, we have to ask why this particular group. On the discussion with concerned "experts" , they were interviewing parents of young lads who were on the verge of becoming involved in gangs who had sent their sons back to Africa because they considered they were safer there than in the UK. Surely that is not right, we should be able to deal with this here, these kids need to feel safe here and not have to be exiled to be safe.
Like grooming gangs knife crime is racial in character but no one has the guts to say it.
Roger French Glasgow was the murder capital of Europe for 10 years until 2017...... Young white men. It must be race right? 😂
Did you watch the video? Trevor spent all of his time saying that it's young, black men killing other young, black men. Listening is good for you, you know.
charly jarrett google it 😁🙏🏿
David Charles Francis Topham de Vere Beauclerk I have no idea. I’m sure it’s high 🤔
Whites groom more boys and girls statistically. Followed by Caribbean . The Asian grooming gangs were just highlighted constantly for political gains. Stick to facts please.
How out of control must knife crime be ? We seem to repeat the same question every year going back 10 years now
Fabulous Durham ex police guy. When he heard people in distressful or difficult situations he listened and responded with genuine interest and offered to talk to them after. Wish politicians had some of that character.
You mean apart from spending 20% of their working hours (9-6pm every Friday) holding constituency surgeries where they listen to people's complaints, local problems, constituents' issues etc?
What percentage of police hours do you think are spent doing that?
Political Philosophy- The Great Books and Chapters
Fair enough...
Maybe I wasn't clear I probably meant people from the panel, more spontaneously like he did, a human response rather than blurting out a pre rehearsed party-line response.
It's the first time I've seen someone offer to talk to audience members on QT
He's a good, solid old-fashioned breed of copper that are unfortunately on the way out
“We agree that knife crime is out of control, and here’s what we’re not gonna do about it...”
Feral London children on stolen mopeds and man bags , favourite word is “G”
Windrush legacy
pisstakecentral yawn....
smoky_Bacon haha. There are bad eggs out there but don’t discriminate a whole group folk due to the acts of a few
Lady Boy again I say they were born here 😅 well most of them
calm urself g
Since a labour mayor came in and stop and search droped massively, the knife crime rate surged. Is that not a correlation?
Oh and Boris will save the day........🤔
More hot air from politicians
I wonder how many of these kids dont have fathers in the home?.
70% of Black Caribbean children in the UK.
All of them.
pisstakecentral I’m sure a handful of them are.
Anglus Patria so 80% are black. You get a clap. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. When other folk do these sort of things, their ethnicity is never mentioned.
@@mantralandscapes4475 Like the Asian grooming gangs?.
If they act in exactly the same way in every single country they move to, at what point do you start blaming the culture of black kids and stop blaming their circumstances???
When is enough, enough???
When are they meant to be held accountable???
The worst violence in this country by a long long way in my lifetime is between white people in Northern Ireland. Nothing black kids do compares to it. Then again it happens every part of the world English people go. It is a cultural thing to do with Empire and their belief in their superiority. It will probably star again as a result of Brexit.
TheTrebulator can you tell more ? I’m interested. Or is it easy to research ?
pimp named slickback yes. Black youths were and are in both places. Fail.
@@TranquiloTrev So now you starting the blame game, it is not about who to blame but how to help, and yes you are right about the situation in Ireland, but this does not change or take away from whats happening in London. Everyone here wants the same thing and thats to stop the senseless violence and loss or ruining of lives. And unfortunately in urban cities, disproportionately and overwhelmingly, it is young black men loosing their lives and also commiting theese acts. So thats where resources must be targeted.
@@mysteryhombre81 I couldn't agree more. That is my reply to you, but not my reply to the idiot who I replied to who cannot even spell what he called me.
Look at the panels faces and know none of them can do anything.
I have stopped muggings many times. In Whitechapel, in Hackney and in Clissold park per chance.
About 5 weeks ago i stopped a mugging in a little park opposite hackney farm.
2 chaps were standing on a bench, 2 bigger chaps were threatening them. As i approached i said 'whats going on boys?'
Immediately the muggers both turned to me. The white mugger said ' just keep steppin bro' the black mugger put his hand in his pocket and said 'what are you stopping for?'
I put my hand in my pocket. The 2 victims thought to themselves we better get out of here and they did.
It turned out ok i suppose.
I rang the police as the muggers left the scene and i was concerned they were gonna catch up with the victims. They were not very useful.
The ex policeman who claims that a more violent dealer takes the place of one whos been arrested is rubbish.
Guys are in gangs. Gangs have a phone only used for dealing. If one guy in a gang disappears someone else automatically takes over. Sometimes gangs battle for these drug phones. Million nittys a day will ring the phone.
Gangs are not just black or white or Turkish or Moroccan or English or French etc. Its a mix of mans from a certain area who have similar lives.
I dont get paid for stopping muggers and i dont get paid to know what the crack is. Those who do should be ashamed of themselves.
Be careful.
@@NoName-zi9st
I hear that bro but when i see people under pressure i get mad.
You will ask the wrong guys someday , playing the hero.
Need more ping pong tables
Maybe if the police got out of their car's knife crime and muggings wouldn't be so bad if they actually started to walk the beat
Have you ever risked your life to confront a violent criminal?
@@2020_Visi0n it's what they are paid to do like the the Ambulance service they are there to save lives not a job I would want to do that's for shure
They need them old school local coppers walking the beat and having knowledge about their own local area and local crooks, also will get to know the local hangout spots and recognise local criminal cars.
I know I said local a good few times, I’m sure you get the message...
Mathius S
I must disagree, the youth have no ballz, they act bad in front of their friends but would never hurt a copper.
They are too scared..!!
These young lads are want to be thugs who do everything to impress the crowd.!!!
I think the person who really needs the therapy is the mugging victim with the colostomy bag.
Deterent. You carry a knife and are caught you get birched in front of the whole community. We are too soft with punishments.
They are already risking being stabbed in the anus. Why don't you join a gang? There is already violent deterrence enforced brutally by the underworld.
You're an idiot
birched I would hang the cowards only need to do one or two.
You are aware it is perfectly legal and in many cases a necessity to carry a knife. I carry a knife every day legally as part of my job. And also a small pocket knife on my days off.
Perhaps I should be birched in public too
@@robertsung5934 in your work bag maybe but these cowards dont work so go back to sleep mate its sunday
The identity of victims are publicized, but they won’t give the age, gender, ethnicity of the criminals. Are they British boys or immigrant boys? “Boys from war zones”. That’s language meant to cover up something.
Handy Sandy yeah, my friend Michelle’s case wasn’t investigated due to her being on a working holiday in the USA and wasn’t a citizen. The poor girl had been drugged and was found with hammer and nail marks on her feet and hands. It was classed as an unexplained accident. I suppose they cannot identify criminals if they are immigrants and are too busy with their own citizens to be able to investigate victims that are holiday workers?
Are you that dense Susan? Where in Britain is there a warzone? A adult woman should not need everything spoonfed to her.
Diversity right?
*former member of a london gang tyrone on bbc news* "yeeee laak there's no yoof clubs andat so these kids got nuffin init"
It’s all about diversity. Stronger genes init. Not Levi jeans, incase you were wondering
For years and years discipline has been sneered at. People in authority-teachers, the police, government and parents don't want to be seen as stuffy and overbearing so try to always mollycoddle and understand. Most kids are far happier when you set their boundaries.
I agree!! A lot of these issues stem from the lack of discipline, boundaries and a strong foundation within the home
Crime has been falling in the UK and around the world since the early '90s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop
@@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 Governments are better at hiding the truth or they lie. Its easy to bury crime in wishy washy statistics.
Disciplines a lot harder when you’re a single mother raising a boy
@@brrr7949 True and thats when help outwith the family would be needed. Although my mother was fearsome and single.
There has to be a cultural explanation for this? I grew up on a council estate in Hull, without a father figure for most of it too, and when the community centre disappeared we didn't all of a sudden start knifing people. Yes, we started knocking on doors and running off, or we egged windows, but to start knifing is a leap that can only come from other inner desires
Stop and search and a huge sentence for being found with a knife im talking 25 years + just for having one in your possession make it far to big of a risk for a youth to carry a knife
Fergus the problem with stop and search is that they search black men. I had a friend who was stopped and searched a few times. The last time he said to the police officer that he was going to report him and contact his lawyer. The police officer just walked away. There is an element of racism when it comes to the police. Not many people in London trust the police.
*Some people carry knives for protection with NO INTENTION to use it.*
I don't know why Emily Thornberry is on the panel. You could replace her with a plant pot and it would talk as much sense.
So true
This is an incredibly important debate, so it is nice to see it done properly for a change. Trevor Phillips needs to run for Mayor of London, he'd be perfect.
Has anyone mentioned the demographic change...anyone
Kalergi plan & agenda 21 / 30
Just wait for the 2021 census. There’s going to be massive change from 2011. And not a good one
@@kirillmatusevich9937 isnt the most common name in England atm Mohummad? Sure I heard that somewhere.
@@Harold_Flite 2018 the most popular name was Oliver and Olivia. Don't know about 2020 you may be right. Although any Muslim names didn't even crack the top 100 In 2018.
When I was young we all carried a knife - a Sheaf Knife in full view in a leather Sheaf. NEVER, EVER was there any wanting to harm another person. NOT EVER!! So this is about the psyche of the young people today, doing the stabbing and violence.
Byron.. good point. It must be drug related.
Good statement and a good way to think about it, we all had knives in the 80’s and 90’s, flick knives, butterfly knives and yeah lots of Rambo knives...
Never was anybody ever hurt because psychologically we were sound.
Parents are a massive contributing factor, mums and dads know that their child is acting tough in their house, now imagine the same child without the parents around.
I’m a parent too.
Social media is a huge player, let’s not ignore that.
Some people must be banned from social media.
Denzel Washington - Each one Teach one.
I was an Army cadet, i used a number of weapons/Firearms, from the age of 13. I have never, nor has any of the thousands of cadets I knew, sought to harm anyone or anything with a weapon. Our parents taught us right from wrong and the Army Cadets taught us discipline and friendship and duty and the ability to make decisions and progress in life.
But were you carrying knives in the 1st place
@@jonathanhadley2555 It was a state of mind. We no more sought to harm anyone with a knife in the same way car drivers today do NOT actually drive with the aim of running people over with their car. Even the Police never questioned us in possession of a knife in full view.
ah the old "if only we had more afterschool clubs young boys wouldnt be stabbing each other" argument
sweaty guy steve what’s your solution then?
Deportation is the only solution ...to the problem ...
wholly spokes a lot of them were born here mate.
wholly spokes are you so ignorant that you are implying black people cannot be British?
@@philominakilgour2607
Yes i'm implying a dog born in a stable is still a dog ..
Put the statistics and demographics up on a board and then have real talk.
These lot are waffling (apart from Trevor)
Where are the parents of these kids..?
There is a simple answer, give young people hope of getting a job, not a social worker to tell them to be 'happy with their lot' free training is the answer and not importing tradesmen because of short term economic advantage.
Interesting point. I agree but there's so many layers to this. It's hard to even name them all.
THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK THEY WANT EASY MONEY.
You're cute Chris Harfoot
It’s blindingly obvious.
But if you say it - YOUR RACIST!
dilwich people can think what they want. At the end of the day too many youths are being cut open and they are bleeding out, for what? Money, respect. These kids can’t get good jobs, there’s not enough police and quite frankly no one gives a shit. Seems like the mentality is let them wipe theirselves out. Sad.
dilwich knife crime in Glasgow has just returned to its previous levels. You gonna blame white people?
Thats sad to hear as I thought that theScots had got an angle on the stabbings Would stabbings be Sectarian?
@@jonathanhadley2555 nah i doubt it food banks use has gone like 400% thought its poverty related.
I agree with Trevor Phillips, Well said Sir 👍
And not one mention of fatherhood was made...
Why do you think that is?
@@MrDanielfff777 Because we now live in a society that has not only taken masculinity for granted (including it's importance in household) but has sought to eradicate it entirely
@@to_to150 Agreed, big big problem
Well done trevor on identifying the problem and who's involved sadly then comes the left's answer we have to be more understanding more social workers more sympathy it's not working wake up they sorted it in new York with zero tolerance on any crime but when stop and search was suggested diana Abbott and co started with there mantra of oh no that's racist sorry but to meny black children are dieing at each others hands to keep on playing politics how do we expect to have a United country when our streets aren't safe
Oh come on.. Nothing’s out of control. We must stop dramatizing. Nothing is out of control. The UK is one of the safest countries in Europe. The homicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000 population is one of the lowest in the world, the same rate as in France and Germany. The violence and the number of people attacked seem to be on the increase, but we must also see the factors that lead to this increase
It's diversity in action. It's just their culture, let the kids play.
Who's culture?
Say what you want about Boris, but he did a great job as mayor. Sadiq on the other hand, has closed a large amount of police stations as a method to improve efficiency yet the police are less efficient than ever and knife crime has soared since he got into the position
The problem is to stop knife crime you need to stop and search people, for that you need a lot of police officers on the street which needs money to fund. Even then if we had loads of police doing it, people would complain about police harrassment of their darling little kids. Crime prevention starts at home, parents need to step in and actually parent their kids, and stand up for the cops when they catch them breaking the law instead of screaming at them for doing their jobs.
You bootlickers keep believing that you can regulate morality. Ban guns, ban knives, ban acid...ban, ban, ban. Stop being bootlicking imbecilic cowards and learn to take care of yourselves. Geez🙄🙄
@Mike Jones obviously, if you'd look at the icon. And, it's a common sense and critical thinking skills perspective. But no one ever accused the Brits of ever use much of either.
@Mike Jones maybe you should consider doing the same. Seems your open borders are really working. How's the grooming working out for ya? Keep licking those boots. Y'all are so good at it. Peace out...
@@SMichaelDeHart Don't believe I mentioned "Ban" anywhere in my comment, I said we would need increased funding for more police and that parents had to both teach their kids right and wrong (aka teach morality) and stand behind the police doing their jobs when/if that fails.
@@50Stone comment about parental guidance...agreed. As for LE...when seconds count, LE is minutes away.
Poverty and crime is one way of looking at it. And no interest in work in society where if you do the crime you get more than when you work in a normal job. So the crime is more appealing to youths.
THE PROBLEM WITH A NORMAL JOB IS YOU GET ABUSED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOVE YOU. ITS A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT
Hear hear Trevor Philips. It pains me, as a British expatriate, living in Australia, to admit that the Australian MSM and social media would go ballistic if any public figure were to say, as honestly and directly as you did, what the problem is and how best to address it.
The impression I get of "youth services" is that all they want for young black men is for them to either become sportsmen or rap artists.
But they're never interested in black youngsters aiming higher to become eg scientists, lawyers, historians or architects
No mention of culture.
People were poorer in the 1950s but there was a lot more social cohesion and trust than today. Japan and Korea could enter into a decade long recession without having the social problems of places like London, Chicago and San Francisco. We have now imported so many problems and social trust has deteriorated massively.
Full respect to Trevor phillips here for not beating around the bush. Ignoring a problem won't make it go away, quite the opposite.
One of the most productive 15 minutes of question time I have ever seen. Apart from the input from the 2 politicians, interesting and productive ideas were discussed maturely
I grew up in London, exactly the same happening to me 15 years ago. The skin colour of the two women at the beginning tells you who are the victims of this
So you conveniently ignored the black woman who said they mugged her when she was pregnant? Didn't fit into your narrative huh?
No Name some people are blind mate 😅
No Name is that the one who said she watched two people get murdered in seven kings as well? Bet shes not lying
C D so you did see the black lady talk about being mugged. Interesting 🤔🤔
There’s no waste In nature yes. She said she was mugged in Homerton, then somehow she also witnessed 2 people get murdered in Essex. 🥴
In high crime areas why not have cameras to monitor the neighborhood with high crime and someone to monitor the cameras
THATS WHAT I THINK AND DRONES TO GIVE CHASE
You lot should move to China. You'd love it.
@@2020_Visi0n you lot huh, Lol. Everyone has a right to their opinion, INCLUDING US. SO SHUT YOUR PIEHOLE
@@jamesspencer1463 No they don't. That's one of the stupidest sayings ever created. An opinion is not a right as it cannot be given or taken.
Opinions are like stones. Some are much more valuable than others (certainly not yours) and they can do tremendous damage if cast out carelessly.
In essence you can say whatever you like. Doesn't mean anyone has to respect it. Do you respect mine?...didn't think so x
@@2020_Visi0n an opinion is ones right to express so you actually are the one that sounds dumber for saying that Lol
2 years ago this programme and the problem is worse than ever.
Why would they want to help black communities. Should they not want black communities to help themselves?
Yea need more youth workers to give juvies in custody a cuddle. These people are clueless!!!!!
Anyone who mentioned cuts to youth programs gets the obligatory clap, but why is it the state's responsibility to parent these kids? Why are the parents not called out for their abject failure to control them and teach them right from wrong? Why don't we talk about the absence of male role models and father figures and stop incentivising single parent families by giving them higher benefits? Trevor Phillips is so right about urban music glorifying gang culture and violence. I bet the police are too scared to walk Clissold Park at night and I don't blame them.
Paul B change the kids environment and you change the drill lyrics....
How can you stop the kids being forced by these gangs through violence and threats?
Brits can't understand why we in America have the right to own guns set forth in our constitution by our founding fathers who came from England. Meanwhile, your knife attacks are out of control and you are not thinking about banning knive, forks, acid, or trolleys. Go figure.
I understand
America has awful problems with gun violence. Guns make everything worse.
@@martyfeldman3269
You are looking at our media hysteria and your assumptions so you can't to see the truth.
Meanwhile, no one can walk down the street in London without getting a knife in the back, acid in your face, beat down by your wayward youths, or mowed down by a trolley. Stop looking over the fence.
1969Vanessa G And you’re not looking at our media hysteria and doing exactly what you’ve just written ? Just me ,not you ?
@@theresag1969 well, I can walk down the street of London without being knifed and have acid thrown at. None of my friends or colleagues has had been mugged as well (pickpocketed yes, but not at knife point) so that totally debunks your statement.
Don't be mistaken, I think this is definitely an issue that needs to be looked into. But you have to understand that the audience is a sample of people who have most probably experienced this issue first hand, hence it may look like it happens extremely frequently. However, that doesn't represent the experience of all Londoners.
Putting that aside, shooting someone with a gun feels like a video game, and there's so many cases of a misfire. Whereas you need to actually make conscious decision to stab someone.
Well done Trevor , speak the truth and don’t stop.
Outstanding comments and suggestions from Trevor Phillips
Trevor was the embodiment of identity politics and has turned 180°. What a brilliant, heartfelt and incisive viewpoint.
Criticizing what Moral Psychologists like Johnathan Haidt call "Honour Culture" within black and arab culture is central. That honour culture needs to be replaced with a dignity culture.
8:39 I was with you former chief, it’s just a shame that we have officers spare for Twitter patrol, and Facebook intervention.
Stop policing “Hate speech” start policing the streets again.
13:20 This woman was correct.
13:39 This man was correct.
These two things tied together, along with more minor issues, are what is causing the problem
You need to empower our citizens and allow licensed concealed carry of firearms! You also need to NEVER allow a Labour government to come into power again!!!! Yes we had to save billions due to the debt that Labour got us into; but this should not have been achieved by cutting police numbers and Youth services, especially when we hand out so much money to other countries every year. Charity starts at home
No one is willing to say that the absence of fathers is the main cause. The lady who said that the youth worker is responsible for teaching boys is unrealistic.
What I got from her is that if you dont have community centres the default is to kill and sell drugs..
Malcolm Macleod who's fault is that so your saying only couples can have children?
Malcolm Macleod
It’s not absence of either parent, I was raised by a single Mother, 4 boys, 4 years apart.
It’s either or both parents not raising children properly and allowing thug mentality in the home.
It all starts at home.
Parents whether single or not ARE to blame!!!
Single mothered child here. Can confirm the absence of any kind of male role model just sets you up for failure and bitterness in general.
pisstakecentral no it doesn’t 😅
Sadiq Khan is focused on making safe spaces with counselling provided for the hurty feeling remoaners while kids are getting mugged and stabbed to death. Nice to know the mayor's top priority is in dealing with hurty fee fees than knife crime.
Wasn't he the one that did away with stop and search?
Same BS as last year
The copper is so spot on with the stupid drug war that we do. It just causes the most violent people to come out on top.
Ban Assault knives!!! And semi automatic blades. I can't understand why murders did not stop after banning guns. I mean that should have worked...right. The only recourse you have allowed for self defense is to sign up for a course on how to scream help really really loud.
The war on drugs will never be won. Legalise the drugs, take the criminality out of it. Make money from the tax and reinvest it the NHS and social care in society.
adamskistotty 100% agree. I’ve been for legalising for years, not so I can take ‘em, but the exact reasons you just said.
It almost seems too simple...
"is knife crime out of control" Yes! And has been for the past 3-5 years
All these angry/frustrating questions by the public.....if we had a Labour government it would all dissipate and make sense.
The problem is all the foreign immigrants from dangerous 3rd world countries that have brought their deathly way of life with them. The answer is move your kids out, this will never been fixed now.
And people call me posh cos I moved to Richmond
The reason it's mostly teens doing these crimes is because of a lack of value for life and the perception that life is a game.
I'm sorry, but you're living in a fantasy delusion, we've all (unless there are children reading this) been teenagers before and the vast majority of us didn't commit ANY crimes, let alone mugging or stabbing people! Throwing money at the problem won't change it either, people were poorer before with zero 'entertainment centers' or media and the vast majority of them also didn't commit such crimes.
@@apocalypticbluegrass I bet you did some other stuff though, or atleast knew people that did.
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 it's not the 90's anymore. The world has changed...
@@apocalypticbluegrass how long ago was this if you don't mind sharing that
Ben Leeves Well weren't you a big boy joker
UK police budget for 2020 is a measly £14billion, out of a national income (GDP) of £2.2trillion. Thank you Boris Johnson for all your hard work in keeping us safe and sound.
And yesterday another teen knifed to death in London......
Trust the Northerner to speak the common sense!
Being mugged (though we didn't call it that) was something which just happened when I was a teenager in Clydebank and in East Leeds. I'm 74. It's nothing new. The usual weapons then were sharpened penknives or screwdrivers. Phillips screws were just coming in and those cross-head screwdrivers weren't so easy to sharpen, though it could be done.
I never encountered anyone carrying anything like that growing up. People just used their fists if they wanted to hurt you.
@E Z I didn't say that, simply that the perception this is something recent or new is entirely wrong.
@@MartinJames389 so london had a bigger murder rate than new york in the 70's?.... Stop it.
I think that Teddy Boys Mods Rockers Punks & Skins would all carry weapons of some sort or another
@@jonathanhadley2555
No school children were not killing each other and teddy boys were not murdering mods or rockers by the hundreds ...back then.
I grew up in East London , proper knife murders were rare ,a slashed face or getting glassed was as bad as it got ..you used your fists and those who carried tools were seen as weak...
The conservative government is what's wrong with Britain today
has no one thought that maybe we cant afford to do stuff is because of the levels of unsustainable immigration
Poor parenting. I don’t know when people will realise this.
PUT IN THEM ARMY...IF THEY ARE BAD FRONTLINE...AND MORE JOBS THEY DO IT FOR MONEY
more police? who wants to be a copper now and end up being sued for saying something mean to someone
This is what happened to me I talked to the police and they were rude
Thank god this guy has the guts to say who does it.
None of these whites on the show would dare for fear of gaol
*INVITE THE 3rd WORLD*
*BECOME THE 3rd WORLD*
Justice Warrior say it louder maybe it might just come true
The BBC is out of control. If your son who gets mugged 3 times, buy him a dress
Not once did I hear any reference to the responsibility that parents have in moulding their children into caring responsible adults. Why leave it up to the police or youth workers to do the parenting?
more pertinent question might be - is it time to be honest and recognise that prohibition on drugs is way beyond counterproductive and only serving to empower the most vicious criminals and feed into this problem..
altho some police officers are earning good overtime pay out of it..
Prosecute the users and you'll see results.
@@krileayn so we should spend billions to send people further into deprivation?
@@krileayn the police are already prosecuting the users and we are witnessing horrendous results..
@Mellivora Capensis
"Remove illegal drug sales and opportunistic Criminals [will] find another way to illegally make money."
of course most of them will try.. but the current set up - as i have just said - encourages them to be all the more vicious and hugely empowers the most vicious - while further wrecking the lives of those who take the drugs and encouraging cops to turn a blind eye to addicts murdered by dealers as a result of police enquiries.. whole thing is a crazy - and massively expensive to the rest of us - nightmare..
@@andipandi5641 Not true. The UK has had defacto cannabis legalization since the 70's. See Peter Hitchens book "The Way we never fought"
anyone know any statistics about the relationship between violent crime and immigration?
Yes, there is no correlation. Immigrants actually have a lower crime rate than native-born citizens.
MrTARDISreviews depends what immigrants you are talking about.
@@MrTARDIS do you have any evidence? statistics?
Just because the MSM push the agenda that crime is an immigration issue my instinct tells me migrants do far less than born and bread but let’s see if the stats turn up
Mellivora Capensis yeah your rightish
Those two women at the start. Middle class white mothers in Stoke Newington facing the ugly reality of London in 2020. I wonder how long before you begin to get snowballing white flight in areas like this. It is one thing to live in those areas when you are in your twenties and childless, quite a different kettle of fish when you are twenty years older with kids and skin in the game. Some of my friends in those areas have told me they are thinking of bailing out because of their children being robbed at knife point. Their political correctness is going out the window now that it is their own kids lives are on the line. Some people have to learn the hard way.
Shame the politicians are not learning - just as PC as ever.
My friends bailed out of Luton 20 years ago when they saw the writing on the wall. I believe about million Londoners have fled since.
Some Londoners fled but stayed within the M25 - now the disorder has followed them and they want to move again.
@@fredcrump8804 It more or less works in a big country like the US but the limits are obvious in a small crowded country like England particularly if you are not wealthy.
Just listening to this as an American is incredible. Everyone is actually talking and debating, rather than attacking each other, calling each other names etc. I’m super jealous, I wish we could communicate like this but I don’t ever see Americans being generally happy.
She's all about herself
First 5 minutes. Very empassioned speech, and a very interesting point made. If this is a first generation thing, whether it's due to trauma or culture it does make sense to integrate people into British society, British values when welcomed in to create a more heamogenous unit. I'm not saying kill their culture, just that not all of it is acceptable.
jabir aidan it’s not a culture thing mate. It’s an environment.
@@mantralandscapes4475 Trauma is the environment aspect...its culture that dictates how one behaves under the influence of trauma. If it were purely environment then it excuses monsters for monstrous acts, and ignores those who do not succumb to violent acts growing up in said environments...
You can change a person's environment very easily, but as shown it's not easy to change someone's culture.
jabir aidan so it’s in my culture to be violent?
@@mantralandscapes4475 Considering I don't know a single thing about you...
jabir aidan I’m a black man from a single parent up bringing. Let’s talk about these young boys stabbing each other then
The top 5 most peaceful areas of the UK are 98% white british & the 5 least peaceful areas are < 50% white british. Homogeneity and kinship are beneficial.
Sadly its criminality from abroad infesting our cities - the continuing legacy of New Labour.
fred crump pulling statistics out your ass again I see
At least change the priorities of the police and direct them at the problems that are killing people. It is no good to say there are not enough police. They need to get their priorities right and target these issues. It is clear from Trevor Phillips that the areas affected are known.
This guy with the glasses is bang on point
What can Woke progressive MPs do?
What have the coke addict tories done?
Yes.
Are Brits legally allowed to carry pepper spray? I'm an American who own a handgun in a state that allows open & concealed carry, but I usually just carry crowd breaking pepper spray...
This is why we need to be able to carry weapons in the UK. Criminals will always have their options, where are our options?
Well said! Greetings from America
You have less crime and fewer homicides than every western nation with few gun restrictions
@@TheJammerman but in consequence to that we have lots of stabbings because innocent people weren't able to defend themselves.